Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites
Walter Branch wrote: Pretty funny (and sad at the same time). It Soitenly Is! ken Walter Branch wrote: Dang, Ken, initially I thought your post was for real. Then I saw the first picture. Pretty funny (and sad at the same time). -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Miguel Angel del Buono [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites Dr. Buono, I have to agree that your plea for assistance is justified. Thieves that stole a 6,000 kilo meteorite (13.2 tons) on April9/10 and left a concrete replica are no ordinary thieves! The Argentine police are probably no match for this type of criminal. http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/_images/dizzy.jpg The first thing is to look for is a disguised meteorite traveling out of the country! (Distribute pictures of the concrete replica) Have any pickup trucks crossed the border with unusually large produce? A gigantic ear of corn or humongus squash or monster cucumber, etc.? Or they might try a sign saying 13 ton ordinary rock. (Or perhaps the concrete replica is just a shell covering the real meteorite until the 'heat dies down') WOW! (perhaps it would be a good idea to check on large purchases of concrete made before the theft) I can understand the memory of this plagues you, because it is so embarrassing but you are right to ask for help. You should not feel ashamed that your government cares so little that they leave these national treasures lying unprotected in a field. Do not feel bad that your university did not take the initiative to get permission to display this meteorite in a protective environment. I understand that it IS easier to blame others who are actually protecting and enhancing the meteoritic community rather than yourself. UPDATE: This just in - a pict of three suspicious characters: http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/_images/loco.jpg Do these guys look like persons you've seen recently sincerely, ken newton Miguel Angel del Buono wrote: I also remember a meteorite of 6 to 8 tons was stolen from Campo del Cielo. You can see the picture in this page http://www.diarionorte.com/2003/mayo/030504/interior.htm Thank you for your cooperation. Dr. Miguel A. del Buono Universidad Nacional del Nordeste Resistencia - Chaco - Argentina _ Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.yupimsn.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites
Dr. Buono, I have to agree that your plea for assistance is justified. Thieves that stole a 6,000 kilo meteorite (13.2 tons) on April9/10 and left a concrete replica are no ordinary thieves! The Argentine police are probably no match for this type of criminal. http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/_images/dizzy.jpg The first thing is to look for is a disguised meteorite traveling out of the country! (Distribute pictures of the concrete replica) Have any pickup trucks crossed the border with unusually large produce? A gigantic ear of corn or humongus squash or monster cucumber, etc.? Or they might try a sign saying 13 ton ordinary rock. (Or perhaps the concrete replica is just a shell covering the real meteorite until the 'heat dies down') WOW! (perhaps it would be a good idea to check on large purchases of concrete made before the theft) I can understand the memory of this plagues you, because it is so embarrassing but you are right to ask for help. You should not feel ashamed that your government cares so little that they leave these national treasures lying unprotected in a field. Do not feel bad that your university did not take the initiative to get permission to display this meteorite in a protective environment. I understand that it IS easier to blame others who are actually protecting and enhancing the meteoritic community rather than yourself. UPDATE: This just in - a pict of three suspicious characters: http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/_images/loco.jpg Do these guys look like persons you've seen recently sincerely, ken newton Miguel Angel del Buono wrote: I also remember a meteorite of 6 to 8 tons was stolen from Campo del Cielo. You can see the picture in this page http://www.diarionorte.com/2003/mayo/030504/interior.htm Thank you for your cooperation. Dr. Miguel A. del Buono Universidad Nacional del Nordeste Resistencia Chaco - Argentina _ Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.yupimsn.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites
Dang, Ken, initially I thought your post was for real. Then I saw the first picture. Pretty funny (and sad at the same time). -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Miguel Angel del Buono [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites Dr. Buono, I have to agree that your plea for assistance is justified. Thieves that stole a 6,000 kilo meteorite (13.2 tons) on April9/10 and left a concrete replica are no ordinary thieves! The Argentine police are probably no match for this type of criminal. http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/_images/dizzy.jpg The first thing is to look for is a disguised meteorite traveling out of the country! (Distribute pictures of the concrete replica) Have any pickup trucks crossed the border with unusually large produce? A gigantic ear of corn or humongus squash or monster cucumber, etc.? Or they might try a sign saying 13 ton ordinary rock. (Or perhaps the concrete replica is just a shell covering the real meteorite until the 'heat dies down') WOW! (perhaps it would be a good idea to check on large purchases of concrete made before the theft) I can understand the memory of this plagues you, because it is so embarrassing but you are right to ask for help. You should not feel ashamed that your government cares so little that they leave these national treasures lying unprotected in a field. Do not feel bad that your university did not take the initiative to get permission to display this meteorite in a protective environment. I understand that it IS easier to blame others who are actually protecting and enhancing the meteoritic community rather than yourself. UPDATE: This just in - a pict of three suspicious characters: http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/_images/loco.jpg Do these guys look like persons you've seen recently sincerely, ken newton Miguel Angel del Buono wrote: I also remember a meteorite of 6 to 8 tons was stolen from Campo del Cielo. You can see the picture in this page http://www.diarionorte.com/2003/mayo/030504/interior.htm Thank you for your cooperation. Dr. Miguel A. del Buono Universidad Nacional del Nordeste Resistencia - Chaco - Argentina _ Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.yupimsn.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites
Hello List, I am confused, again! This letter says; 1) There is no city or geographic reference with that name in Argentina. In that case the proposed name for the meteorite will be Campo del Cielo II. Now from this, I would have to guess that if the meteorite is called Pitino And there is no Pitino in Argentina, that this meteorite must not be from Argentina? And; 2) As the meteorite is from Campo del Cielo, the proprietary is the Goverment of Argentina. So is forbidden any people has a fragment of it. It would stand to reason that if this meteorite is not from Argintina then Argintina would not be the proprietary of this meteorite sence it is not from Argintina? Plese correct me if I am wrong on this, am I missing something? Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 P.S. . So is forbidden any people has a fragment of it. ? - Original Message - From: Miguel Angel del Buono [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites Hello, In agreement with the expressed by Mr. Michael Farmer, in a lot of meteorites from Campo del Cielo he found a new chondrite named Pitino. On this matter I have two observations: 1) There is no city or geographic reference with that name in Argentina. In that case the proposed name for the meteorite will be Campo del Cielo II. 2) As the meteorite is from Campo del Cielo, the proprietary is the Goverment of Argentina. So is forbidden any people has a fragment of it. I also remember a meteorite of 6 to 8 tons was stolen from Campo del Cielo. You can see the picture in this page http://www.diarionorte.com/2003/mayo/030504/interior.htm Please for any information on this meteorite call to: Dr, Carlos Clauter, Judge of the cause Las Heras 45 (3720) Charata, Chaco, Argentina Telefax ++543731 420004 Diario Norte [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Director) Pellegrini 144 (3500) Resistencia, Chaco, Argentina Policía del Chaco ++ 543722 463103 (Jefatura) ++ 543722 434127 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dept. Judicial) Ministro de Gobierno Sr. Roy Nikisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ministerio de Gobierno y Justicia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores ++5411 48197000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for your cooperation. Dr. Miguel A. del Buono Universidad Nacional del Nordeste Resistencia - Chaco - Argentina _ Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.yupimsn.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites
Wow, judge, juror, head of the Meteoritical Society, and God? Who died and made you the head honcho? This is my meteorite, it was legally aquired in the United States. Chaco or yourself have no claim to it. O te puedo escribir en espanol si prefieres? The meteorite is named Pitino, there is a place called Pitino, or the Meteoritical Society would not have named it that. You seem to be the same guy who harrased me two years ago about Campos. There are thousands of kilograms of them, so go dig them up or shut up. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Miguel Angel del Buono [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites Hello, In agreement with the expressed by Mr. Michael Farmer, in a lot of meteorites from Campo del Cielo he found a new chondrite named Pitino. On this matter I have two observations: 1) There is no city or geographic reference with that name in Argentina. In that case the proposed name for the meteorite will be Campo del Cielo II. 2) As the meteorite is from Campo del Cielo, the proprietary is the Goverment of Argentina. So is forbidden any people has a fragment of it. I also remember a meteorite of 6 to 8 tons was stolen from Campo del Cielo. You can see the picture in this page http://www.diarionorte.com/2003/mayo/030504/interior.htm Please for any information on this meteorite call to: Dr, Carlos Clauter, Judge of the cause Las Heras 45 (3720) Charata, Chaco, Argentina Telefax ++543731 420004 Diario Norte [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Director) Pellegrini 144 (3500) Resistencia, Chaco, Argentina Policía del Chaco ++ 543722 463103 (Jefatura) ++ 543722 434127 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dept. Judicial) Ministro de Gobierno Sr. Roy Nikisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ministerio de Gobierno y Justicia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores ++5411 48197000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for your cooperation. Dr. Miguel A. del Buono Universidad Nacional del Nordeste Resistencia - Chaco - Argentina _ Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.yupimsn.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites
Hey Mike, Don't worry too much about the name. Heck, it might just as well have been named Mike's Chondrite, which would be consistent with the NomCom's acceptance of the name Joel's Iron from Chile. David There is no city or geographic reference with that name in Argentina. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites
Hello Again list, I am still confused about this line; So is forbidden any people has a fragment of it. Well then, a thin section, endcut, part slice or full slice is OK, just not a fragment? Please keep this in mind when buying this meteorite! Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Miguel Angel del Buono [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites Hello, In agreement with the expressed by Mr. Michael Farmer, in a lot of meteorites from Campo del Cielo he found a new chondrite named Pitino. On this matter I have two observations: 1) There is no city or geographic reference with that name in Argentina. In that case the proposed name for the meteorite will be Campo del Cielo II. 2) As the meteorite is from Campo del Cielo, the proprietary is the Goverment of Argentina. So is forbidden any people has a fragment of it. I also remember a meteorite of 6 to 8 tons was stolen from Campo del Cielo. You can see the picture in this page http://www.diarionorte.com/2003/mayo/030504/interior.htm Please for any information on this meteorite call to: Dr, Carlos Clauter, Judge of the cause Las Heras 45 (3720) Charata, Chaco, Argentina Telefax ++543731 420004 Diario Norte [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Director) Pellegrini 144 (3500) Resistencia, Chaco, Argentina Policía del Chaco ++ 543722 463103 (Jefatura) ++ 543722 434127 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dept. Judicial) Ministro de Gobierno Sr. Roy Nikisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ministerio de Gobierno y Justicia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores ++5411 48197000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for your cooperation. Dr. Miguel A. del Buono Universidad Nacional del Nordeste Resistencia - Chaco - Argentina _ Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.yupimsn.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi List, On hindsight, it seems Joel's Iron was never submitted to the NomCom since it was found in 1858, but it was studied by Buchwald, and later by Wasson Canut de Bon, which establishes this name as authoritative just the same. David __ Hey Mike, Don't worry too much about the name. Heck, it might just as well have been named Mike's Chondrite, which would be consistent with the NomCom's acceptance of the name Joel's Iron from Chile. David There is no city or geographic reference with that name in Argentina. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites
Sorry to disappoint you, but Joel's Iron was named long before there was a NomCom. This name would indeed violate the modern Guidelines for Meteorite Nomenclature had it been found recently. There are other meteorites with similar grandfathered names, e.g.. Lutschaunig's Stone, Holland's Store, and my favorite, Slaghek's Iron. jeff At 06:27 PM 6/13/2003 -0400, David Weir wrote: Hey Mike, Don't worry too much about the name. Heck, it might just as well have been named Mike's Chondrite, which would be consistent with the NomCom's acceptance of the name Joel's Iron from Chile. David There is no city or geographic reference with that name in Argentina. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman Chair, Meteorite Nomenclature Committee (Meteoritical Society) US Geological Survey 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA Phone: (703) 648-6184 fax: (703) 648-6383 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites
Jeff said... There are other meteorites with similar grandfathered names, e.g.. Lutschaunig's Stone, Holland's Store, and my favorite, Slaghek's Iron. Now comes Big Steve`s post about if there are any of these meteorites out there for sale or trade??? Just a little friendly tease there Steve :) Dave __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites
Mike, The Meteoritical Society is not an authority on geographic names. The NomCom does the best it can in approving names for meteorites based on geographic names, but mistakes do get made. We often have to rely on people with local knowledge of the find area (or the submitter of the meteorite to us), and they are not always fully reliable sources. Our job is to provide a label for each meteorite. We have done that. Now, the name of the meteorite is authoritative. Whether Pitino is a proper place-name remains open for discussion. Jeff At 02:48 PM 6/13/2003 -0700, you wrote: Wow, judge, juror, head of the Meteoritical Society, and God? Who died and made you the head honcho? This is my meteorite, it was legally aquired in the United States. Chaco or yourself have no claim to it. O te puedo escribir en espanol si prefieres? The meteorite is named Pitino, there is a place called Pitino, or the Meteoritical Society would not have named it that. You seem to be the same guy who harrased me two years ago about Campos. There are thousands of kilograms of them, so go dig them up or shut up. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Miguel Angel del Buono [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites Hello, In agreement with the expressed by Mr. Michael Farmer, in a lot of meteorites from Campo del Cielo he found a new chondrite named Pitino. On this matter I have two observations: 1) There is no city or geographic reference with that name in Argentina. In that case the proposed name for the meteorite will be Campo del Cielo II. 2) As the meteorite is from Campo del Cielo, the proprietary is the Goverment of Argentina. So is forbidden any people has a fragment of it. I also remember a meteorite of 6 to 8 tons was stolen from Campo del Cielo. You can see the picture in this page http://www.diarionorte.com/2003/mayo/030504/interior.htm Please for any information on this meteorite call to: Dr, Carlos Clauter, Judge of the cause Las Heras 45 (3720) Charata, Chaco, Argentina Telefax ++543731 420004 Diario Norte [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Director) Pellegrini 144 (3500) Resistencia, Chaco, Argentina Policía del Chaco ++ 543722 463103 (Jefatura) ++ 543722 434127 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dept. Judicial) Ministro de Gobierno Sr. Roy Nikisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ministerio de Gobierno y Justicia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores ++5411 48197000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for your cooperation. Dr. Miguel A. del Buono Universidad Nacional del Nordeste Resistencia - Chaco - Argentina _ Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.yupimsn.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman Chair, Meteorite Nomenclature Committee (Meteoritical Society) US Geological Survey 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA Phone: (703) 648-6184 fax: (703) 648-6383 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
