Re: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit
Oh no. We went to the moon. You will have to get over that dead issue. There is too much proof. There are old guys in Australia that pointed the dish to the moon to capture the first words ever spoken that laugh at people that believe it was a hoax. You don't understand the meaning of my post. We can't get ourselves in orbit due to political nonsense. Honestly, claiming that we did not go to the moon is a HUGE discredit to all of the thousands of people that worked on the project. If we didn't go to the moon, never mind all the evidence that is clear, tell me, why didn't the Russians call us out on it??? There was a loss of life during the Apollo missions. Three good men lost their lives. To say we didn't go to the moon is to dishonor them as well. Don't take my word for it. Research it yourself. Look at some of the Japanese data recently showing the landing sites. They in on it too?? Belief in here say and conjecture leads to insanity. Willie Nelson smokes weed and suddenly realizes George Bush blew up the towers. I had to listen for 8 years about how stupid our president was. Now an old withered pothead has him pegged as one of the greatest evil masterminds in history? lol fool me twice...can't fool the fooler Don't buy into the hype of something someone said under a black light whilst having epiphanies from mushrooms. Research things. Buzz Aldrin said it my favorite way when confronted with moon hoax theory. POW! He hit the guy. An old man getting so upset over the hoax nonsense that he lost his composure and offered up lumps for a response. Warren Sansoucie Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:11:14 -0700 From: energylightandl...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit To: warren3...@hotmail.com as you said, LOL! We can't even get ourselves into orbit without help from another country. yet some still think we went to the moon...with technology from 1969, with no loss of life, and no repeat performances in 30 years! Just a thought. Jessica - Original Message From: Warren Sansoucie To: METEORITE LIST Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 9:30:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit LOL! We can't even get ourselves into orbit without help from another country. Warren Sansoucie Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:20:17 -0700 From: miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit I wonder if it would possible to send some machines to the asteroid belt to capture some whole asteroids and bring them to Earth? Or would they be drifting too quickly in their orbits to capture with the current technology? Also would decent-sized samples from such captures be available to collectors? --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit
Hi Melanie. The short answer to your first question is yes, it could be done and with today's technology. The manner it could be done would be the same as the deflection techniques that have been suggested for NEOs found to be on an impacting trajectory. Unfortunately, while an NEO only needs a change of velocity of a few millimeters per second to divert it from an impact, a Main Belter would require a vastly larger change to bring it to the earth. If done correctly the object could be placed into earth orbit with no other effort... This being said, diverting a known NEO from an impact would take decades or more to accomplish this goal. Moving a MBA from its current orbit using today's technology would take centuries or eons to accomplish the goal. As for your last question, I doubt any collector would be able to obtain even a micro. As Sterling points out, mining the asteroid in situ makes much greater economic and scientific sense. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 4/23/10, Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca wrote: I wonder if it would possible to send some machines to the asteroid belt to capture some whole asteroids and bring them to Earth? Or would they be drifting too quickly in their orbits to capture with the current technology? Also would decent-sized samples from such captures be available to collectors? --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit
LOL! We can't even get ourselves into orbit without help from another country. Warren Sansoucie Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:20:17 -0700 From: miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit I wonder if it would possible to send some machines to the asteroid belt to capture some whole asteroids and bring them to Earth? Or would they be drifting too quickly in their orbits to capture with the current technology? Also would decent-sized samples from such captures be available to collectors? --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit
Well.. not only that - even in inside a spacecraft we are susceptible to deadly cosmic rays and can't stay very long out there beyond the protection of Earth's magnetic field,, which is why I mentioned using machines to retrieve them. --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! - Original Message From: Warren Sansoucie warren3...@hotmail.com To: METEORITE LIST meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 9:30:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit LOL! We can't even get ourselves into orbit without help from another country. Warren Sansoucie Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:20:17 -0700 From: miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit I wonder if it would possible to send some machines to the asteroid belt to capture some whole asteroids and bring them to Earth? Or would they be drifting too quickly in their orbits to capture with the current technology? Also would decent-sized samples from such captures be available to collectors? --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:20:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: I wonder if it would possible to send some machines to the asteroid belt to capture some whole asteroids and bring them to Earth? Or would they be drifting too quickly in their orbits to capture with the current technology? Also would decent-sized samples from such captures be available to collectors? It would-- with technologies that are theoretically possible but not yet invented. You would need Von Neuman machines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replicating_machine that are designed to build fusion rockets (along with more of themselves) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_rocket You would need vast amounts of ice for fuel, though-- you'd either have to find a very icy asteroid or send the machines to a comet to steer that to the asteroid to use as fuel. There may be one or more factor that will in the future be found to be impossible, but for now in theory sufficently advanced science and technology should be able to manage it. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit
Hi Melanie and list, I thought about the same thing in regards to the ISS, it is traveling 27,000 mph in its oribit around the earth as well as space rocks! So could they capture one (meteor) with a fish net, or somthing! Come on Nasa employees, these are real questions!.lol Dave Myers --- On Sat, 4/24/10, Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca wrote: From: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca Subject: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 4:20 AM I wonder if it would possible to send some machines to the asteroid belt to capture some whole asteroids and bring them to Earth? Or would they be drifting too quickly in their orbits to capture with the current technology? Also would decent-sized samples from such captures be available to collectors? --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit
The problem with Von Neuman machines, are Von Neuman machines... Regards, Eric Quoting Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:20:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: I wonder if it would possible to send some machines to the asteroid belt to capture some whole asteroids and bring them to Earth? Or would they be drifting too quickly in their orbits to capture with the current technology? Also would decent-sized samples from such captures be available to collectors? It would-- with technologies that are theoretically possible but not yet invented. You would need Von Neuman machines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replicating_machine that are designed to build fusion rockets (along with more of themselves) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_rocket You would need vast amounts of ice for fuel, though-- you'd either have to find a very icy asteroid or send the machines to a comet to steer that to the asteroid to use as fuel. There may be one or more factor that will in the future be found to be impossible, but for now in theory sufficently advanced science and technology should be able to manage it. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit
To what end? Certainly, there is nothing to be found on asteroids that can't be obtained far cheaper on Earth. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit I wonder if it would possible to send some machines to the asteroid belt to capture some whole asteroids and bring them to Earth? Or would they be drifting too quickly in their orbits to capture with the current technology? Also would decent-sized samples from such captures be available to collectors? --- Melanie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit
True, though whole asteroids could tell us whether the most of parent bodies of our chondrites are differentiated, which is something I would like to know more ablout.. perhaps drilling core samples rather than the entire rock - the machine in question could land on it rather than trying to catch it lol. --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! - Original Message From: Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 9:55:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit To what end? Certainly, there is nothing to be found on asteroids that can't be obtained far cheaper on Earth. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit I wonder if it would possible to send some machines to the asteroid belt to capture some whole asteroids and bring them to Earth? Or would they be drifting too quickly in their orbits to capture with the current technology? Also would decent-sized samples from such captures be available to collectors? --- Melanie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit
Melanie, List, Our present level of technology is (just barely) capable of going to an asteroid and MINING some of it. In 1998, we sent a robot explorer to the asteroid Eros to photograph it and map it. No sample return. A number of spacecraft and a large crew could mine some of it, using solar heating to melt the metals out and bring them back to be separated and refined. If Eros is typical of stony meteorites, then it contains about 3% metal. With the known abundance's of metals in meteorites, even a very cautious estimate suggests 20,000 million tonnes of aluminium along with similar amounts of gold, platinum and other rarer metals. In the 2,900 cubic kms of Eros, there is more aluminium, gold, silver, zinc and other base and precious metals than have ever been excavated in history or indeed, could ever be excavated from the upper layers of the Earth's crust. How much is Eros worth? Today's price for gold is about $1000 per ounce or about $25,000,000 per ton. It means the value of the gold in asteroid Eros is about $4 trillion. That is just the gold. Platinum is equally expensive. Eros contains a lot of rare elements and metals that are of use in the semiconductor industry for example. At today's prices, Eros is worth more than $50 trillion. That is just in one asteroid and not a very large one at that. There are thousands of asteroids out there. John S. Lewis, author of Mining The Sky, said: “…an asteroid with a diameter of one kilometer would have a mass of about two billion tons. One such stoney asteroid would contain 30 million tons of nickel, 1.5 million tons of metal cobalt and 7,500 tons of platinum. The platinum alone would have a value of more than $150 billion!”. The huge sums of money involved could one day induce mining companies to look towards the heavens. It may not happen until we have exhausted most of the Earth's natural resources, but it will happen. MOVING an asteroid is also technically feasible, although we are newer to the idea. It might be cheaper to move a one-kilometer asteroid than to mine it in place. We mine it at our own speed once it was in Earth orbit. But there is the inherent public relations of problem of people who might get... well, nervous about us shoving a big asteroid toward the Earth. I don't think we know enough to estimate the cost of moving an asteroid yet. More reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_mining http://miningasteroids.com/ http://www.spacefuture.com/archive/the_technical_and_economic_feasibility_of_mining_the_near_earth_asteriods.shtml Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 11:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit I wonder if it would possible to send some machines to the asteroid belt to capture some whole asteroids and bring them to Earth? Or would they be drifting too quickly in their orbits to capture with the current technology? Also would decent-sized samples from such captures be available to collectors? --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
