Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
They are mentioned in the bible: Acts 19,35: (Paul in Ephesus) And when the town clerk had quieted the crowd, he said, Men of Ephesus, who is there who does not know that the city of the Ephesians is temple keeper of the great Artemis, and of the sacred stone that fell from the sky? Amen Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Farmer Yeah, sort of like congress is not a fan of science and education. Half of them don't believe in meteorites because it doesn't mention them in the bible. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone O __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
And of course, the name of the Great Star was Wormwood: 1. ...and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree by a strong wind. (Revelation 6:13) 2. ...and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky... (Revelation 8:10) 3. From the sky huge hailstones of about a hundred pounds each fell upon men. (Revelation 16:21) 4. ...and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. (Revelation 8:8) 5. The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. (Revelation 9:1) 6. ...the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. (Matthew 24:29) 7. ...the Lord hurled large hailstones down on them from the sky... (Joshua 10:11) 8. His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to earth. (Revelation 12:4) 9. Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea... (Revelation 18:21) 10. ...the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. (Mark 13:25) 11. While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. (Daniel 2:34) 12. Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven... (Genesis 19:24) Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today They are mentioned in the bible: Acts 19,35: (Paul in Ephesus) And when the town clerk had quieted the crowd, he said, Men of Ephesus, who is there who does not know that the city of the Ephesians is temple keeper of the great Artemis, and of the sacred stone that fell from the sky? Amen Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Farmer Yeah, sort of like congress is not a fan of science and education. Half of them don't believe in meteorites because it doesn't mention them in the bible. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone O __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
Well, I think we have now established to the Republican party's satisfaction that meteorites do indeed exist and they come from a region of outer space known as heaven. Interesting stuff. ;) -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/26/13, Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum dori...@embarqmail.com wrote: And of course, the name of the Great Star was Wormwood: 1. ...and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree by a strong wind. (Revelation 6:13) 2. ...and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky... (Revelation 8:10) 3. From the sky huge hailstones of about a hundred pounds each fell upon men. (Revelation 16:21) 4. ...and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. (Revelation 8:8) 5. The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. (Revelation 9:1) 6. ...the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. (Matthew 24:29) 7. ...the Lord hurled large hailstones down on them from the sky... (Joshua 10:11) 8. His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to earth. (Revelation 12:4) 9. Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea... (Revelation 18:21) 10. ...the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. (Mark 13:25) 11. While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. (Daniel 2:34) 12. Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven... (Genesis 19:24) Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today They are mentioned in the bible: Acts 19,35: (Paul in Ephesus) And when the town clerk had quieted the crowd, he said, Men of Ephesus, who is there who does not know that the city of the Ephesians is temple keeper of the great Artemis, and of the sacred stone that fell from the sky? Amen Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Farmer Yeah, sort of like congress is not a fan of science and education. Half of them don't believe in meteorites because it doesn't mention them in the bible. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone O __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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People like him don't vote but they sure like to put down other people for doing it. Stuart McDaniel .(mobile).. On Mar 26, 2013, at 11:43, valpar...@aol.com wrote: That's what the Constitution says, anyway. Sadly, the Consititution does not count for much anymore. The Supreme Court teases anything it wants out of it, the president bypasses congress and operates by executive order, and congress ignores its responsibilities, such as the requirement to pass an annual budget and allowing the Supremes to convert the Obamacare mandate into a tax! And what the heck does the Tea Party have to do with any of this? Did you vote for any of the worthless congressmen? Paul Swartz Yeah, the tea party sure is leaving lots of money laying around right? Stuart, you should re-attend school. The president executes laws. Congress and Senate write them. Any laws or taxes or budget cuts all originate in congress:) Perhaps to help NASA you could call your worthless congressmen and ask them to get back to work? The lack of education in the country scares me sometimes. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Stuart, I vote and clearly many others did too, much to the chagrin of the GOP. Clearly they have not listened. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com wrote: People like him don't vote but they sure like to put down other people for doing it. Stuart McDaniel .(mobile).. On Mar 26, 2013, at 11:43, valpar...@aol.com wrote: That's what the Constitution says, anyway. Sadly, the Consititution does not count for much anymore. The Supreme Court teases anything it wants out of it, the president bypasses congress and operates by executive order, and congress ignores its responsibilities, such as the requirement to pass an annual budget and allowing the Supremes to convert the Obamacare mandate into a tax! And what the heck does the Tea Party have to do with any of this? Did you vote for any of the worthless congressmen? Paul Swartz Yeah, the tea party sure is leaving lots of money laying around right? Stuart, you should re-attend school. The president executes laws. Congress and Senate write them. Any laws or taxes or budget cuts all originate in congress:) Perhaps to help NASA you could call your worthless congressmen and ask them to get back to work? The lack of education in the country scares me sometimes. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
It's unsettling that we have no system in place to detect objects of this size. It's time to stop wasting money on pointless pork and use that money to field a detection system for smaller objects like the Chelyabinsk meteoroid. We can detect most planet-killers, but these city-killers are all around us and we can't do a damn thing about it until it's too late. So out of curiosity, what happens to this donated meteorite? Does it go into a display case in the Oval Office? Does it go into the Smithsonian? Or does it get lumped in with the other gifts the president receives (into some obscure storage room at the State Dept)? Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Knowing our commander with some teeth it will be tossed in a drawer and forgotten about. Didn't Michael Casper give Hillary or Bill Clinton a piece? I haven't heard anything about that meteorite. I remember Michael Casper mentioned this apparently unappreciated gift on his website. Hopefully it will be appreciated for what it is or passed onto to somebody who will. Adam - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today It's unsettling that we have no system in place to detect objects of this size. It's time to stop wasting money on pointless pork and use that money to field a detection system for smaller objects like the Chelyabinsk meteoroid. We can detect most planet-killers, but these city-killers are all around us and we can't do a damn thing about it until it's too late. So out of curiosity, what happens to this donated meteorite? Does it go into a display case in the Oval Office? Does it go into the Smithsonian? Or does it get lumped in with the other gifts the president receives (into some obscure storage room at the State Dept)? Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Casper gave Hillary a Sikhote-Alin when she was on his block. Not sure that she was supposed to hold a press conference... Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Knowing our commander with some teeth it will be tossed in a drawer and forgotten about. Didn't Michael Casper give Hillary or Bill Clinton a piece? I haven't heard anything about that meteorite. I remember Michael Casper mentioned this apparently unappreciated gift on his website. Hopefully it will be appreciated for what it is or passed onto to somebody who will. Adam - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today It's unsettling that we have no system in place to detect objects of this size. It's time to stop wasting money on pointless pork and use that money to field a detection system for smaller objects like the Chelyabinsk meteoroid. We can detect most planet-killers, but these city-killers are all around us and we can't do a damn thing about it until it's too late. So out of curiosity, what happens to this donated meteorite? Does it go into a display case in the Oval Office? Does it go into the Smithsonian? Or does it get lumped in with the other gifts the president receives (into some obscure storage room at the State Dept)? Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
Most likely it'll be archived along with the tens of thousands of other gifts Presidents usually receive. http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/reference/gifts.html -Yinan On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Knowing our commander with some teeth it will be tossed in a drawer and forgotten about. Didn't Michael Casper give Hillary or Bill Clinton a piece? I haven't heard anything about that meteorite. I remember Michael Casper mentioned this apparently unappreciated gift on his website. Hopefully it will be appreciated for what it is or passed onto to somebody who will. Adam - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today It's unsettling that we have no system in place to detect objects of this size. It's time to stop wasting money on pointless pork and use that money to field a detection system for smaller objects like the Chelyabinsk meteoroid. We can detect most planet-killers, but these city-killers are all around us and we can't do a damn thing about it until it's too late. So out of curiosity, what happens to this donated meteorite? Does it go into a display case in the Oval Office? Does it go into the Smithsonian? Or does it get lumped in with the other gifts the president receives (into some obscure storage room at the State Dept)? Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today
It will get filed with all the other Presidential gifts during his term and later included in the Obama Presidential library someday. The library may then donate it to the Smithsonian museum. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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LOL! Don't even get me started on religion! ! Congress is totally useless IMHO. Politicians are pretty much useless 99% of the time. IMHO. Regards! Tom On 3/25/2013 7:59 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Yeah, sort of like congress is not a fan of science and education. Half of them don't believe in meteorites because it doesn't mention them in the bible. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: Obama is not a space program fan, especially not a MANNED space program fan. He'll probably look at the piece a few times and forget about it unfortunately. I think it's cool though that Mike gave the specimen.Hopefully it'll go somewhere that people can see it and enjoy it. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Yeah, sort of like congress is not a fan of science and education. Half of them don't believe in meteorites because it doesn't mention them in the bible. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: Obama is not a space program fan, especially not a MANNED space program fan. He'll probably look at the piece a few times and forget about it unfortunately. I think it's cool though that Mike gave the specimen.Hopefully it'll go somewhere that people can see it and enjoy it. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Obama is not a space program fan, especially not a MANNED space program fan. He'll probably look at the piece a few times and forget about it unfortunately. I think it's cool though that Mike gave the specimen.Hopefully it'll go somewhere that people can see it and enjoy it. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Yeah, and the earth is only 8000 years old. LOL! Jim Strope 421 4th Street Glen Dale, WV. 26038 Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:59 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Yeah, sort of like congress is not a fan of science and education. Half of them don't believe in meteorites because it doesn't mention them in the bible. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: Obama is not a space program fan, especially not a MANNED space program fan. He'll probably look at the piece a few times and forget about it unfortunately. I think it's cool though that Mike gave the specimen.Hopefully it'll go somewhere that people can see it and enjoy it. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Has there been any update on the woman who suffered a broken back from the event? On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Another thought was donating it to me. I would of taken a picture of it, added it to my collection, then posted the picture on my Website with your information on the specimen and your name as the donator. All this with in an hour of receiving the donation! I would of shown my gratitude immediately. Don't believe metry it! Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders www.ctreasurescwonders.com IMCA #0960 - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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There are still 4 people in critical condition in the hospital there. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Has there been any update on the woman who suffered a broken back from the event? On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Mike, Do you know any details on their injuries? Was the broken back a result of falling debris? I imagine flying glass wasn't responsible for the spine injury, but I could be wrong. And what about the other injuries? I don't recall hearing much about it in the media reports. A shame that people are clinging to life in ICU wards as a result of this event and we don't hear anything about them. Best regards, MikeG PS - if someone dies as a result of injuries sustained from this fall, would that be a first in modern times? This makes Ms. Hodges Sylacauga wound seem minor in comparison. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: There are still 4 people in critical condition in the hospital there. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Has there been any update on the woman who suffered a broken back from the event? On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Mike, List, ...it doesn't mention them in the bible... Then they don't read their Bible (either): Joshua 10:11. And it came to pass, as they fled before Israel, and werer in the going down to Beth-Horon, that the Lord cast down into Azekah great stones from heaven upon them, and they died... There follows a second mention of the stones but it calls them hailstones. Strange, as the first reference is the word for 'rocks.' Perhaps they became instantly coated with frost as some meteorites have been observed to do. But great stones from heaven is as clear a description of meteorites as you can get in 1420 B.C.E. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com Cc: Meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today Yeah, sort of like congress is not a fan of science and education. Half of them don't believe in meteorites because it doesn't mention them in the bible. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: Obama is not a space program fan, especially not a MANNED space program fan. He'll probably look at the piece a few times and forget about it unfortunately. I think it's cool though that Mike gave the specimen.Hopefully it'll go somewhere that people can see it and enjoy it. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Also, let's think about how much made it to the ground. If the numbers are correct, with ~500 kilotons of detonation, and 11,000 metric tons of mass, and lets say even if 99% vaporized in the explosion, that would leave 110 TONS of material on the ground! And I certainly do not believe that 99% vaporized. The very bright mass easily seen flying out of the terminal cloud in the videos is estimated by Russian scientists to have been at least 10 metric tons and flown 180-200 km past lake Chebarkul. By no means is that little hole in the lake the main mass. That should have survived intact since it was intact after the detonations and went into dark flight. It is now likely in the Ural Mountains. I think that piece might have made a nice little crater had it come down in the city. Michael Farmer Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Sadly the current crop of imbeciles in office are more interested in proving how early man rode T-REX dinosaurs and other such nonsense. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Mike, List, ...it doesn't mention them in the bible... Then they don't read their Bible (either): Joshua 10:11. And it came to pass, as they fled before Israel, and werer in the going down to Beth-Horon, that the Lord cast down into Azekah great stones from heaven upon them, and they died... There follows a second mention of the stones but it calls them hailstones. Strange, as the first reference is the word for 'rocks.' Perhaps they became instantly coated with frost as some meteorites have been observed to do. But great stones from heaven is as clear a description of meteorites as you can get in 1420 B.C.E. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com Cc: Meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today Yeah, sort of like congress is not a fan of science and education. Half of them don't believe in meteorites because it doesn't mention them in the bible. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Tom Randall tommy2...@hvc.rr.com wrote: Obama is not a space program fan, especially not a MANNED space program fan. He'll probably look at the piece a few times and forget about it unfortunately. I think it's cool though that Mike gave the specimen.Hopefully it'll go somewhere that people can see it and enjoy it. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Chris... It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. I spoke at some length about this with Mark Boslough, a Sandia Labs expect in airborne shock waves (read: bombs). he's the one who modeled Tunguska a few years ago: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/community/skyblog/newsblog/12662606.html what Mike Farmer says agrees with Boslough's assessment: had the impactor come in more vertically, its terminal burst would have been lower, and its shock wave (and fireball) would have been focused on the ground directly below, creating substantially more damage. details: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/Update-on-the-Russian-Mega-Meteor-195553631 .html clear skies, Kelly J. Kelly Beatty Senior Contributing Editor SKY TELESCOPE 617-416-9991 SkyandTelescope.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Didn't you see the videos of people being blown into walls by the shockwave? There are great surveillance videos showing people at the university being thrown against walls and blown down. If it can cave in building, it can sure hurt people. My hotel lost 25% of the windows and a maid was hospitalized with many glass cuts. Imagine of over Chicago or New York? Thousands likely dead from falling glass alone. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mike, Do you know any details on their injuries? Was the broken back a result of falling debris? I imagine flying glass wasn't responsible for the spine injury, but I could be wrong. And what about the other injuries? I don't recall hearing much about it in the media reports. A shame that people are clinging to life in ICU wards as a result of this event and we don't hear anything about them. Best regards, MikeG PS - if someone dies as a result of injuries sustained from this fall, would that be a first in modern times? This makes Ms. Hodges Sylacauga wound seem minor in comparison. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: There are still 4 people in critical condition in the hospital there. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Has there been any update on the woman who suffered a broken back from the event? On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at
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I didn't see those videos. How the heck did I miss those? I did see alot of videos of the booms, broken glass, and the aftermath, but I didn't see any of people being blown around. Got a link to those? I wanna see those, even though I feel a little creepy wanting to watch that - the idea of people being hurt is terrible to me, but it's like a trainwreck and I wanna see. I did think about how the Russians in some of the videos seemed pretty nonchalant about the explosions. I think people here in the US would have been crapping themselves. No offense to the good ole USA, but the Russians are a little harder to scare. I hope I never see something like this first-hand. I admit, I would need to change my pants afterwards, if I survived. We really need to get some kind of detection network up and running, and then put together a viable plan of action if we ever need to interdict one of these objects on it's way to Earth again. Best regards, MikeG On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Didn't you see the videos of people being blown into walls by the shockwave? There are great surveillance videos showing people at the university being thrown against walls and blown down. If it can cave in building, it can sure hurt people. My hotel lost 25% of the windows and a maid was hospitalized with many glass cuts. Imagine of over Chicago or New York? Thousands likely dead from falling glass alone. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mike, Do you know any details on their injuries? Was the broken back a result of falling debris? I imagine flying glass wasn't responsible for the spine injury, but I could be wrong. And what about the other injuries? I don't recall hearing much about it in the media reports. A shame that people are clinging to life in ICU wards as a result of this event and we don't hear anything about them. Best regards, MikeG PS - if someone dies as a result of injuries sustained from this fall, would that be a first in modern times? This makes Ms. Hodges Sylacauga wound seem minor in comparison. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: There are still 4 people in critical condition in the hospital there. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Has there been any update on the woman who suffered a broken back from the event? On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk
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I am sure he will appreciate it since he has gutted NASA. Doesn't care one thing about science! * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Sirius Meteorites Node35 - Sentinel All Sky http://spacerocks.weebly.com * -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 6:12 PM To: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today Knowing our commander with some teeth it will be tossed in a drawer and forgotten about. Didn't Michael Casper give Hillary or Bill Clinton a piece? I haven't heard anything about that meteorite. I remember Michael Casper mentioned this apparently unappreciated gift on his website. Hopefully it will be appreciated for what it is or passed onto to somebody who will. Adam - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today It's unsettling that we have no system in place to detect objects of this size. It's time to stop wasting money on pointless pork and use that money to field a detection system for smaller objects like the Chelyabinsk meteoroid. We can detect most planet-killers, but these city-killers are all around us and we can't do a damn thing about it until it's too late. So out of curiosity, what happens to this donated meteorite? Does it go into a display case in the Oval Office? Does it go into the Smithsonian? Or does it get lumped in with the other gifts the president receives (into some obscure storage room at the State Dept)? Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Yeah, the tea party sure is leaving lots of money laying around right? Stuart, you should re-attend school. The president executes laws. Congress and Senate write them. Any laws or taxes or budget cuts all originate in congress:) Perhaps to help NASA you could call your worthless congressmen and ask them to get back to work? The lack of education in the country scares me sometimes. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPho On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com wrote: I am sure he will appreciate it since he has gutted NASA. Doesn't care one thing about science! * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Sirius Meteorites Node35 - Sentinel All Sky http://spacerocks.weebly.com * -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 6:12 PM To: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today Knowing our commander with some teeth it will be tossed in a drawer and forgotten about. Didn't Michael Casper give Hillary or Bill Clinton a piece? I haven't heard anything about that meteorite. I remember Michael Casper mentioned this apparently unappreciated gift on his website. Hopefully it will be appreciated for what it is or passed onto to somebody who will. Adam - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today It's unsettling that we have no system in place to detect objects of this size. It's time to stop wasting money on pointless pork and use that money to field a detection system for smaller objects like the Chelyabinsk meteoroid. We can detect most planet-killers, but these city-killers are all around us and we can't do a damn thing about it until it's too late. So out of curiosity, what happens to this donated meteorite? Does it go into a display case in the Oval Office? Does it go into the Smithsonian? Or does it get lumped in with the other gifts the president receives (into some obscure storage room at the State Dept)? Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Liveleak and YouTube. Google Chelyabinsk university and meteorite and you will see :) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't see those videos. How the heck did I miss those? I did see alot of videos of the booms, broken glass, and the aftermath, but I didn't see any of people being blown around. Got a link to those? I wanna see those, even though I feel a little creepy wanting to watch that - the idea of people being hurt is terrible to me, but it's like a trainwreck and I wanna see. I did think about how the Russians in some of the videos seemed pretty nonchalant about the explosions. I think people here in the US would have been crapping themselves. No offense to the good ole USA, but the Russians are a little harder to scare. I hope I never see something like this first-hand. I admit, I would need to change my pants afterwards, if I survived. We really need to get some kind of detection network up and running, and then put together a viable plan of action if we ever need to interdict one of these objects on it's way to Earth again. Best regards, MikeG On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Didn't you see the videos of people being blown into walls by the shockwave? There are great surveillance videos showing people at the university being thrown against walls and blown down. If it can cave in building, it can sure hurt people. My hotel lost 25% of the windows and a maid was hospitalized with many glass cuts. Imagine of over Chicago or New York? Thousands likely dead from falling glass alone. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mike, Do you know any details on their injuries? Was the broken back a result of falling debris? I imagine flying glass wasn't responsible for the spine injury, but I could be wrong. And what about the other injuries? I don't recall hearing much about it in the media reports. A shame that people are clinging to life in ICU wards as a result of this event and we don't hear anything about them. Best regards, MikeG PS - if someone dies as a result of injuries sustained from this fall, would that be a first in modern times? This makes Ms. Hodges Sylacauga wound seem minor in comparison. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: There are still 4 people in critical condition in the hospital there. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Has there been any update on the woman who suffered a broken back from the event? On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama
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Found this one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RznHQKjWBSA Thanks for the heads-up on it Mike. I hadn't seen that one before. Too bad there was no sound, but the imagery is still scary. That one shot of people sitting on benches indoors near windows was indicative of lady luck. A couple of people get up from the bench to go outside and look, moments later the bench they were sitting on it showered with broken glass and debris. They would have been seriously injured or killed if they had remained in their seats. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Liveleak and YouTube. Google Chelyabinsk university and meteorite and you will see :) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't see those videos. How the heck did I miss those? I did see alot of videos of the booms, broken glass, and the aftermath, but I didn't see any of people being blown around. Got a link to those? I wanna see those, even though I feel a little creepy wanting to watch that - the idea of people being hurt is terrible to me, but it's like a trainwreck and I wanna see. I did think about how the Russians in some of the videos seemed pretty nonchalant about the explosions. I think people here in the US would have been crapping themselves. No offense to the good ole USA, but the Russians are a little harder to scare. I hope I never see something like this first-hand. I admit, I would need to change my pants afterwards, if I survived. We really need to get some kind of detection network up and running, and then put together a viable plan of action if we ever need to interdict one of these objects on it's way to Earth again. Best regards, MikeG On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Didn't you see the videos of people being blown into walls by the shockwave? There are great surveillance videos showing people at the university being thrown against walls and blown down. If it can cave in building, it can sure hurt people. My hotel lost 25% of the windows and a maid was hospitalized with many glass cuts. Imagine of over Chicago or New York? Thousands likely dead from falling glass alone. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mike, Do you know any details on their injuries? Was the broken back a result of falling debris? I imagine flying glass wasn't responsible for the spine injury, but I could be wrong. And what about the other injuries? I don't recall hearing much about it in the media reports. A shame that people are clinging to life in ICU wards as a result of this event and we don't hear anything about them. Best regards, MikeG PS - if someone dies as a result of injuries sustained from this fall, would that be a first in modern times? This makes Ms. Hodges Sylacauga wound seem minor in comparison. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: There are still 4 people in critical condition in the hospital there. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Has there been any update on the woman who suffered a broken back from the event? On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A
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Really interesting video. I did notice that when the major flashes/bursts/explosions of the meteorite ends, it takes aproxamentally 11 seconds for the shock wave to hit. Any geniuses out there able to get a rough idea how far or high in the sky the meteorite was when it exploded? Sincerely Don Merchant - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today Has there been any update on the woman who suffered a broken back from the event? On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Actually is is almost 1.5 minute to two minutes on most Clocks. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2013, at 9:31 PM, Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com wrote: Really interesting video. I did notice that when the major flashes/bursts/explosions of the meteorite ends, it takes aproxamentally 11 seconds for the shock wave to hit. Any geniuses out there able to get a rough idea how far or high in the sky the meteorite was when it exploded? Sincerely Don Merchant - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today Has there been any update on the woman who suffered a broken back from the event? On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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With the shot of the corridor 3 minutes in on the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RznHQKjWBSA there is an interval of around 2 Min 24 sec according to the video time signature. Note there is footage edited out between the flash and the bang. Assuming an average speed of sound as around 320 m/sec that would be 46 km distant. I'd guess you'd need similar data from 2 other locations to triangulate an altitude estimate for the explosion. An analysis of the shadow tracks is likely a more accurate route to the answer. Regards, John On 25/03/2013 21:31, Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com wrote: Really interesting video. I did notice that when the major flashes/bursts/explosions of the meteorite ends, it takes aproxamentally 11 seconds for the shock wave to hit. Any geniuses out there able to get a rough idea how far or high in the sky the meteorite was when it exploded? Sincerely Don Merchant - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk at White House today Has there been any update on the woman who suffered a broken back from the event? On 3/25/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. A little steeper (or just as likely, as little shallower), a little earlier or later, probably wouldn't have made much difference. While I'd love to see a constellation of IR space telescopes looking for asteroids in this size range, realistically there's probably nothing we could do if we found one, and as a matter of public policy, the money might well be considered poorly spent. The reality is that the actual risk to human life and property from small asteroids is absurdly small compared to a large number of other things that we actually have some control over. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 3:15 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Congratulations to Dante Lauretta of UOfA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory and Osiris-Rex mission, who presented a piece of Chelyabinsk that I donated, to President Obama and Congress today while there to discuss the threat of asteroid impact. Chelyabinsk was almost a City Killer as Richard Kowalski told me yesterday, had it come in a few second earlier and steeper angle, a million people in Chelyabinsk would likely be dead today. Time to take meteorites serious. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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It would be more accurate to say that around 100 people were injured more seriously than minor scrapes and cuts. What I'm saying is that I don't consider it likely that any different trajectory would have made this body significantly more dangerous; that a million dead is really, really unlikely. That not much made it to the ground from this exact event, and not much would have made it to the ground had it been slightly different. What I'm saying is that even if there were a more dangerous trajectory, so what? This body didn't do much damage. You might as well argue that DA14, on a different trajectory, would be dangerous. True enough, but it wasn't on a different trajectory, was it? There is a far greater chance of any small asteroid not causing damage than otherwise. What I'm saying is that while there are all sorts of interesting scientific reasons for detecting bodies like this, there isn't much of a public safety case to be made. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 8:10 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: I was just in Chelyabinsk, a city under emergency for the last month, -20 and tens of thousands of windows blown out, not only glass, but entire walls of many buildings caved in, entire buildings collapsed, and more than 1500 wounded, some still in the hospital, and that was just a meteorite passing overhead 30 miles high. Are you telling me that those hundreds of thousands of stones, doubtless many weighing tons, would not have killed thousands or destroyed hundreds of buildings if it had directly impacted the city at a high angle? I think the damage would have been catastrophic and the death toll in the thousands. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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The time delay between the airburst and the shock arriving at the ground, directly beneath the burst, was about 90 seconds (not 11), making the height about 28 km. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 10:31 PM, Don Merchant wrote: Really interesting video. I did notice that when the major flashes/bursts/explosions of the meteorite ends, it takes aproxamentally 11 seconds for the shock wave to hit. Any geniuses out there able to get a rough idea how far or high in the sky the meteorite was when it exploded? Sincerely Don Merchant __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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While I have great respect for Boslough's modeling of large impactors, I'm not convinced his models are really optimized for such small bodies as this one. More to the point, his models typically start with hypothetical values for the material properties of the bodies, and then calculate their atmospheric dynamics. I don't think the material properties of this body have been well enough established at this point to make much more than an educated guess about the sort of behavior we would have seen were the path somewhat different. In fact, a steeper angle might also have resulted in a higher detonation. The actual shock wave appears to have dissipated very quickly, as we'd expect from such a small total energy. Understand, I'm not saying Boslough is wrong, only that I remain skeptical of any strong conclusions until a good deal more analysis takes place, and a good deal more is known about the body that exploded over Chelyabinsk. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 3/25/2013 8:31 PM, Kelly Beatty wrote: Chris... It's extremely doubtful that this body could have done all that much more damage. It simply wasn't big enough, or strong enough. I spoke at some length about this with Mark Boslough, a Sandia Labs expect in airborne shock waves (read: bombs). he's the one who modeled Tunguska a few years ago: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/community/skyblog/newsblog/12662606.html what Mike Farmer says agrees with Boslough's assessment: had the impactor come in more vertically, its terminal burst would have been lower, and its shock wave (and fireball) would have been focused on the ground directly below, creating substantially more damage. details: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/Update-on-the-Russian-Mega-Meteor-195553631 .html clear skies, Kelly __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
