Re: [meteorite-list] Fully Documented Hammer?
Thank you so much, Mike and list for your time and energy in hunting down this information for me (and anyone else interested...Capt.Blood?) You are very kind to respond in this detailed way. I salute you! Anita - Original Message From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: wahlpe...@aol.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; anitawestl...@att.net Sent: Fri, December 23, 2011 3:57:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fully Documented Hammer? Hi Anita and List, It makes sense that the most recent hammers should be the best documented falls because of the proliferation of digital devices with cameras. There is also increased awareness of meteorite falls in more recent years, so we are seeing very solid documentation for hammers. A good example is Park Forest. Nobody can begin question the hammer status of Park Forest, because so many targets were struck. So, I'd take it at face value that all of the known hammers in the last ~10 years are authentic. Since the year 2000, we have had the following hammer falls - Apr 30, 2011 - Soltmany (L6 chondrite) : Poland Jul 17, 2011 - Thika (L6 chondrite) : Kenya Jul 11-12, 2011 - Draveil/Essonne? (unofficial) - (H chondrite?) : France Jan 18, 2010 - Lorton (L6 chondrite) : Virginia USA Apr 14, 2010 - Mifflin (L5 chondrite) : Wisconsin USA Feb 15, 2009 - Ash Creek (L6 chondrite) : Texas USA Mar 01, 2009 - Cartersville (unofficial) (ordinary chondrite) : Georgia USA Sep 25, 2009 - Grimsby (H5 chondrite) : Canada Apr 12, 2008 - Zunhua (unofficial) (L4 chondrite?) : China Feb 21, 2007 - Mahadevpur (H4/5 chondrite) : India Jul 06, 2007 - Cali (H/L4 chondrite) : Columbia Sep ??, 2007 - (exact day unknown) - Guadalajara (L or LL3 chondrite?) : Mexico Jul 14, 2006 - Moss (CO3.6 carbonaceous chondrite) : Norway Jul 17, 2005 - Montney (H6 chondrite?) : Canada Nov 08, 2004 - Orlando (Eucrite) : Florida USA Feb 01, 2003 - Hiroshima (H5 chondrite) : Japan Mar 26, 2003 - Park Forest (L5 chondrite) : Illinois USA Sep 23, 2003 - New Orleans (H5 chondrite) : Louisiana USA Feb 03-14 2002 - Alby sur Cheran (Eucrite) : France Feb 20, 2002 - San Michele (L6 chondrite) : Italy Jul 21, 2002 - Thuathe (H4/5 chondrite) : Lesotho That is a total of 21 hammer falls in almost 11 years now - or about 2 per year on average. This year we have been a perfect 3 for 3 on recovered hammered falls. So we are seeing one of two things - a statistical increase of hammer falls (due in part to the proliferation of digital cameras), or Mother Nature has improved her accuracy. You can also figure that the human population and footprint increases each year, so the more of us walking around, the more likely we'll something get hit or be struck by something. It another century, the majority of falls over dry land will likely be hammers. The number of well documented falls drops off sharply in the previous century and most falls from antiquity can be considered anecdotal. The number of well documented hammers prior to the 21st century may be less than the number of hammers we have seen in the last 11 years. Think about that for a moment Best regards and Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, or Happy Saturnalia. :) MikeG -- * Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone *** On 12/23/11, wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi Anita, I would bet Michael ( Hammer Man ) Blood would know. : ) Sonny -Original Message- From: Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Dec 23, 2011 2:49 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Fully Documented Hammer? Does anyone know about how many hammers have been fully documented that have in one place/collection:1. The whole meteorite (or all the pieces)2. All of the material it hit (shingle, wood, plaster, floor, car, etc.)3. The date/time if witnessed4. The classificationI'm guessing there are only about 4-5 cases worldwide, but I may way off. (I've been accused of that before.)Thanks for your help,Anita__HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing
Re: [meteorite-list] Fully Documented Hammer?
Hey Michael: Thanks. Did you get part of the roof too? I have a Thuathe but doubt it hit anything except my wallet. Anita - Original Message From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Met. Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, December 24, 2011 7:32:25 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fully Documented Hammer? Hi Anita and all, I have the original 94g Thuathe stone found on the roof of a dwelling which was included in the original report and established the Thuathe fall as a hammer fall. This is THE Thuathe Hammer Stone (though other stones MAY have struck dwellings, this is the only documented One). It is also the largest Thuathe I have ever seen available. Michael On 12/23/11 7:49 AM, Met. Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net wrote: Does anyone know about how many hammers have been fully documented that have in one place/collection: 1. The whole meteorite (or all the pieces) 2. All of the material it hit (shingle, wood, plaster, floor, car, etc.) 3. The date/time if witnessed 4. The classification I'm guessing there are only about 4-5 cases worldwide, but I may way off. (I've been accused of that before.) Thanks for your help, Anita __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Have a MERRY CHRISTMAS season! __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fully Documented Hammer?
No, actually - the roof is made of twigs (see photo on my METEORITE HAMMER PAGE 2). I was very lucky to get This from the owner who had a copy of the report - which I Now have SMOMEWHERE. (Got it from Eric Olson). Michael On 12/25/11 1:32 PM, Met. Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net wrote: Hey Michael: Thanks. Did you get part of the roof too? I have a Thuathe but doubt it hit anything except my wallet. Anita - Original Message From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Met. Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, December 24, 2011 7:32:25 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fully Documented Hammer? Hi Anita and all, I have the original 94g Thuathe stone found on the roof of a dwelling which was included in the original report and established the Thuathe fall as a hammer fall. This is THE Thuathe Hammer Stone (though other stones MAY have struck dwellings, this is the only documented One). It is also the largest Thuathe I have ever seen available. Michael On 12/23/11 7:49 AM, Met. Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net wrote: Does anyone know about how many hammers have been fully documented that have in one place/collection: 1. The whole meteorite (or all the pieces) 2. All of the material it hit (shingle, wood, plaster, floor, car, etc.) 3. The date/time if witnessed 4. The classification I'm guessing there are only about 4-5 cases worldwide, but I may way off. (I've been accused of that before.) Thanks for your help, Anita __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Have a MERRY CHRISTMAS season! - Have a MERRY CHRISTMAS season! __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fully Documented Hammer?
Hi Anita and all, I have the original 94g Thuathe stone found on the roof of a dwelling which was included in the original report and established the Thuathe fall as a hammer fall. This is THE Thuathe Hammer Stone (though other stones MAY have struck dwellings, this is the only documented One). It is also the largest Thuathe I have ever seen available. Michael On 12/23/11 7:49 AM, Met. Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net wrote: Does anyone know about how many hammers have been fully documented that have in one place/collection: 1. The whole meteorite (or all the pieces) 2. All of the material it hit (shingle, wood, plaster, floor, car, etc.) 3. The date/time if witnessed 4. The classification I'm guessing there are only about 4-5 cases worldwide, but I may way off. (I've been accused of that before.) Thanks for your help, Anita __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Have a MERRY CHRISTMAS season! __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fully Documented Hammer?
Hi Anita, I would bet Michael ( Hammer Man ) Blood would know. : ) Sonny -Original Message- From: Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Dec 23, 2011 2:49 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Fully Documented Hammer? Does anyone know about how many hammers have been fully documented that have in one place/collection:1. The whole meteorite (or all the pieces)2. All of the material it hit (shingle, wood, plaster, floor, car, etc.)3. The date/time if witnessed4. The classificationI'm guessing there are only about 4-5 cases worldwide, but I may way off. (I've been accused of that before.)Thanks for your help,Anita__HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fully Documented Hammer?
Hi Anita, I can't speak for falls outside the US, but there are 5 or 6 US falls that might fit your parameters. You are obviously familiar with Cartersville, GA (2007) I'm sure. It fits all your requirements except classification which will come soon I'm sure. The display is at the Tellus Science Center. Others are: Benld, IL (1938). I believe most pieces of the impacted auto and most of the H6 stone are in the Field Museum, Chicago. The small H5 stone and aluminum shed roof of the Centerville, SD (1956) are on display at the South Dakota School of Mines and Technology in Rapid City. I believe the Field Museum also has a holed floor board of the Kilbourn, WI barn that was impacted by a H5 stone in 1911 and a small piece of the stone (and maybe a cast of it??). The Denver Museum of Nature and Science has the impacted roof and dry wall boards of the Canon City, CO (1973) H6 fall. It has at least a large fragment of the stone in its collection. There are a also a couple of private displays of Park Forest impacted artifacts (printer and stone) I believe. Peekskill might not fit your criteria, but I believe there is a cast of the whole meteorite that goes with the car. Hope this helps a bit, Frank - Original Message From: Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, December 23, 2011 7:49:50 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fully Documented Hammer? Does anyone know about how many hammers have been fully documented that have in one place/collection: 1. The whole meteorite (or all the pieces) 2. All of the material it hit (shingle, wood, plaster, floor, car, etc.) 3. The date/time if witnessed 4. The classification I'm guessing there are only about 4-5 cases worldwide, but I may way off. (I've been accused of that before.) Thanks for your help, Anita __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fully Documented Hammer?
Hi Anita and List, It makes sense that the most recent hammers should be the best documented falls because of the proliferation of digital devices with cameras. There is also increased awareness of meteorite falls in more recent years, so we are seeing very solid documentation for hammers. A good example is Park Forest. Nobody can begin question the hammer status of Park Forest, because so many targets were struck. So, I'd take it at face value that all of the known hammers in the last ~10 years are authentic. Since the year 2000, we have had the following hammer falls - Apr 30, 2011 - Soltmany (L6 chondrite) : Poland Jul 17, 2011 - Thika (L6 chondrite) : Kenya Jul 11-12, 2011 - Draveil/Essonne? (unofficial) - (H chondrite?) : France Jan 18, 2010 - Lorton (L6 chondrite) : Virginia USA Apr 14, 2010 - Mifflin (L5 chondrite) : Wisconsin USA Feb 15, 2009 - Ash Creek (L6 chondrite) : Texas USA Mar 01, 2009 - Cartersville (unofficial) (ordinary chondrite) : Georgia USA Sep 25, 2009 - Grimsby (H5 chondrite) : Canada Apr 12, 2008 - Zunhua (unofficial) (L4 chondrite?) : China Feb 21, 2007 - Mahadevpur (H4/5 chondrite) : India Jul 06, 2007 - Cali (H/L4 chondrite) : Columbia Sep ??, 2007 - (exact day unknown) - Guadalajara (L or LL3 chondrite?) : Mexico Jul 14, 2006 - Moss (CO3.6 carbonaceous chondrite) : Norway Jul 17, 2005 - Montney (H6 chondrite?) : Canada Nov 08, 2004 - Orlando (Eucrite) : Florida USA Feb 01, 2003 - Hiroshima (H5 chondrite) : Japan Mar 26, 2003 - Park Forest (L5 chondrite) : Illinois USA Sep 23, 2003 - New Orleans (H5 chondrite) : Louisiana USA Feb 03-14 2002 - Alby sur Cheran (Eucrite) : France Feb 20, 2002 - San Michele (L6 chondrite) : Italy Jul 21, 2002 - Thuathe (H4/5 chondrite) : Lesotho That is a total of 21 hammer falls in almost 11 years now - or about 2 per year on average. This year we have been a perfect 3 for 3 on recovered hammered falls. So we are seeing one of two things - a statistical increase of hammer falls (due in part to the proliferation of digital cameras), or Mother Nature has improved her accuracy. You can also figure that the human population and footprint increases each year, so the more of us walking around, the more likely we'll something get hit or be struck by something. It another century, the majority of falls over dry land will likely be hammers. The number of well documented falls drops off sharply in the previous century and most falls from antiquity can be considered anecdotal. The number of well documented hammers prior to the 21st century may be less than the number of hammers we have seen in the last 11 years. Think about that for a moment Best regards and Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, or Happy Saturnalia. :) MikeG -- * Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone *** On 12/23/11, wahlpe...@aol.com wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi Anita, I would bet Michael ( Hammer Man ) Blood would know. : ) Sonny -Original Message- From: Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Dec 23, 2011 2:49 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Fully Documented Hammer? Does anyone know about how many hammers have been fully documented that have in one place/collection:1. The whole meteorite (or all the pieces)2. All of the material it hit (shingle, wood, plaster, floor, car, etc.)3. The date/time if witnessed4. The classificationI'm guessing there are only about 4-5 cases worldwide, but I may way off. (I've been accused of that before.)Thanks for your help,Anita__HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fully Documented Hammer?
Anita and List, (Sorry if this posts twice). Here's a link to some photos of the Benld, Il meteorite that I took while at the Field Museum in Chicago a few years ago. I think it meets all of your criteria. http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevewitt/sets/72157628543826203/detail/ Link to the Met Bulletin for Benld: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=Benldsfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=0pnt=Normal%20tablecode=5021 Also, the famous Garza stone from Park Forest was purchased together with a section of the roof that it penetrated, the shattered boards from the attic, the hole in the bedroom ceiling, the window, shades and window frames that it hit as well as the bedroom closet door (mirror) that it smashed. I don't know who now has possession of these items. Best, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ From: Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 9:49 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fully Documented Hammer? Does anyone know about how many hammers have been fully documented that have in one place/collection: 1. The whole meteorite (or all the pieces) 2. All of the material it hit (shingle, wood, plaster, floor, car, etc.) 3. The date/time if witnessed 4. The classification I'm guessing there are only about 4-5 cases worldwide, but I may way off. (I've been accused of that before.) Thanks for your help, Anita __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
