Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now, posted! Another spectacular video.
Count Deiro wrote: As they saywith all due respectto those of you with vastly more experience than I in the subjectthese old eyes and the brain they are attached to have digested the visual data, then thought out the technical complexities involved in producing a series of multiple fakes while estimating the cost in time and money that would be involved and finally, pondered why anyone would spend that time and treasureand for what possible purpose. Conclusion? The San Luis Potosi bolide and its history so stunningly recorded are the real deal. I humbly disagree. There are multiple reasons why people would have faked this. Over the past few years we have seen multitudes of fake UFO video's, fake videos of strange archaeological finds (e.g. giants a few years ago), fake surviving mammoth filmed in Siberia video's, fake Loch Ness videos, fake eagle snatches kid in the park videos, you name it. Nowadays, these kind of animations can be done with off the shelf software that is readily available. Reasons to make such fake movies can be very diverse: - People like to fool other people; - Maybe someone wants to practise their CGI skills; - Maybe someone made this as a practical exam assignment; - Maybe someone created this as a proof of concept for potential customers; - Maybe this is intended as a viral for an upcoming movie or game; - Maybe this is made for an upcoming movie or game ... to name just a few options. The 'Eagle snatches kid in the park video of a year ago for example, was an exam product created by university students. The video's of this fireball that surfaced are too similar in composition and quality, and too 'neat' - with very smooth panning for example, rather than shakey panic. As Rob mentioned, some are weird - why was the person capturing the fireball filming in the first place? In some video's, it appears the filmer is actually *waiting* for the fireball to appear. And on some of the video's, the fireball really looks CGI if you look carefully (in the train video for example, and the one where it disappears behind a hill). Then there are the other things that don't ad up as pointed out by Rob earlier. To top it, all these video's appear out of nowhere on new YouTube accounts, or youtube accounts that collect dubious movies. These video's therefore really do not answer to the pattern of casual eyewitnesses. Moreover, there shouldn't be just these video's: TV stations, Radio stations, police, observatories, they should have been flooded by eyewitness reports Nowadays, you simply have to be suspicious. Too many people like to play with CGI and unlike 10 years ago, it is no longer the domain of professionals (nor very expensive). A 19-year-old on his parents loft can do it. - Marco - Dr Marco (asteroid 183294) Langbroek Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) e-mail: d...@marcolangbroek.nl http://www.dmsweb.org http://www.marcolangbroek.nl - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now, posted! Another spectacular video.
Hi Marko and list I would trust Rob Matson on the video. I would say It is 100% fake. : ) Sonny Sent from my iPhone On Sep 6, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Marco Langbroek marco.langbr...@online.nl wrote: Count Deiro wrote: As they saywith all due respectto those of you with vastly more experience than I in the subjectthese old eyes and the brain they are attached to have digested the visual data, then thought out the technical complexities involved in producing a series of multiple fakes while estimating the cost in time and money that would be involved and finally, pondered why anyone would spend that time and treasureand for what possible purpose. Conclusion? The San Luis Potosi bolide and its history so stunningly recorded are the real deal. I humbly disagree. There are multiple reasons why people would have faked this. Over the past few years we have seen multitudes of fake UFO video's, fake videos of strange archaeological finds (e.g. giants a few years ago), fake surviving mammoth filmed in Siberia video's, fake Loch Ness videos, fake eagle snatches kid in the park videos, you name it. Nowadays, these kind of animations can be done with off the shelf software that is readily available. Reasons to make such fake movies can be very diverse: - People like to fool other people; - Maybe someone wants to practise their CGI skills; - Maybe someone made this as a practical exam assignment; - Maybe someone created this as a proof of concept for potential customers; - Maybe this is intended as a viral for an upcoming movie or game; - Maybe this is made for an upcoming movie or game ... to name just a few options. The 'Eagle snatches kid in the park video of a year ago for example, was an exam product created by university students. The video's of this fireball that surfaced are too similar in composition and quality, and too 'neat' - with very smooth panning for example, rather than shakey panic. As Rob mentioned, some are weird - why was the person capturing the fireball filming in the first place? In some video's, it appears the filmer is actually *waiting* for the fireball to appear. And on some of the video's, the fireball really looks CGI if you look carefully (in the train video for example, and the one where it disappears behind a hill). Then there are the other things that don't ad up as pointed out by Rob earlier. To top it, all these video's appear out of nowhere on new YouTube accounts, or youtube accounts that collect dubious movies. These video's therefore really do not answer to the pattern of casual eyewitnesses. Moreover, there shouldn't be just these video's: TV stations, Radio stations, police, observatories, they should have been flooded by eyewitness reports Nowadays, you simply have to be suspicious. Too many people like to play with CGI and unlike 10 years ago, it is no longer the domain of professionals (nor very expensive). A 19-year-old on his parents loft can do it. - Marco - Dr Marco (asteroid 183294) Langbroek Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) e-mail: d...@marcolangbroek.nl http://www.dmsweb.org http://www.marcolangbroek.nl - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now, posted! Another spectacular video.
Science-by-Consensus is bleating-edge scientific method for sure. It saves a tremendous amount of time in that whole pesky investigation and analysis stuff. Classically, it brought us such important concepts as the geocentric universe and the base element of fire, Phlogiston. So yes, let's all vote instead of investigate. Everyone's viewpoint is equally important! --- Jodie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now, posted! Another spectacular video.
Hi Listers, Wellit sure is a pretty suckerthe guy, or gal that went to all that trouble is talented to say the least! I still enjoy looking at the videos. I'm just not ready yet to throw in the towel. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Marco Langbroek marco.langbr...@online.nl Sent: Sep 6, 2013 9:30 AM To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, countde...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now, posted! Another spectacular video. Count Deiro wrote: As they saywith all due respectto those of you with vastly more experience than I in the subjectthese old eyes and the brain they are attached to have digested the visual data, then thought out the technical complexities involved in producing a series of multiple fakes while estimating the cost in time and money that would be involved and finally, pondered why anyone would spend that time and treasureand for what possible purpose. Conclusion? The San Luis Potosi bolide and its history so stunningly recorded are the real deal. I humbly disagree. There are multiple reasons why people would have faked this. Over the past few years we have seen multitudes of fake UFO video's, fake videos of strange archaeological finds (e.g. giants a few years ago), fake surviving mammoth filmed in Siberia video's, fake Loch Ness videos, fake eagle snatches kid in the park videos, you name it. Nowadays, these kind of animations can be done with off the shelf software that is readily available. Reasons to make such fake movies can be very diverse: - People like to fool other people; - Maybe someone wants to practise their CGI skills; - Maybe someone made this as a practical exam assignment; - Maybe someone created this as a proof of concept for potential customers; - Maybe this is intended as a viral for an upcoming movie or game; - Maybe this is made for an upcoming movie or game ... to name just a few options. The 'Eagle snatches kid in the park video of a year ago for example, was an exam product created by university students. The video's of this fireball that surfaced are too similar in composition and quality, and too 'neat' - with very smooth panning for example, rather than shakey panic. As Rob mentioned, some are weird - why was the person capturing the fireball filming in the first place? In some video's, it appears the filmer is actually *waiting* for the fireball to appear. And on some of the video's, the fireball really looks CGI if you look carefully (in the train video for example, and the one where it disappears behind a hill). Then there are the other things that don't ad up as pointed out by Rob earlier. To top it, all these video's appear out of nowhere on new YouTube accounts, or youtube accounts that collect dubious movies. These video's therefore really do not answer to the pattern of casual eyewitnesses. Moreover, there shouldn't be just these video's: TV stations, Radio stations, police, observatories, they should have been flooded by eyewitness reports Nowadays, you simply have to be suspicious. Too many people like to play with CGI and unlike 10 years ago, it is no longer the domain of professionals (nor very expensive). A 19-year-old on his parents loft can do it. - Marco - Dr Marco (asteroid 183294) Langbroek Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) e-mail: d...@marcolangbroek.nl http://www.dmsweb.org http://www.marcolangbroek.nl - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now, posted! Another spectacular video.
I am real curious... I just did some quick looks (SWAG) at things...mainly the shadows and the sun position. I guessed roughly (close enough) at N022 x W110 at roughly 12 noon and found the sun to be about 75 degrees altitude. I then looked at it at about 5 pm for about a 22 degree altitude. So, how do you guys that say this is real explain this difference in the video??? I honestly might not be very closebut that is a lot of difference in angle. Kind Regards, Jim Wooddell On 9/6/2013 2:41 PM, Jodie Reynolds wrote: Science-by-Consensus is bleating-edge scientific method for sure. It saves a tremendous amount of time in that whole pesky investigation and analysis stuff. Classically, it brought us such important concepts as the geocentric universe and the base element of fire, Phlogiston. So yes, let's all vote instead of investigate. Everyone's viewpoint is equally important! --- Jodie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6643 - Release Date: 09/06/13 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now posted! Another spectacular video.
Hi Rob and all! Best I can tell from the videos, without mapping anything, is that the sun is actually very high in the sky which is creating down shadows on object protruding from the buildings. This is easy to see. And if we had some measurements of those objects could estimated very closely what time it was. Darn, where are the sky cameras when we need them!! Jim On 9/4/2013 6:54 PM, Matson, Robert D. wrote: Hi Mike, The biggest problem as I see it is the reported time -- some time after 5 pm local time. If this is the time that purported witnesses are claiming, then it's a hoax: it would require the meteor to be travelling north-to-south as seen from one location (Matehuala, to the NNE of San Luis Potosi), while it is clearly moving southeast-to-northwest in the San Luis Potosi video taken in front of Iglesia de la Compañía. Personally, I don't see how the time can be right. All the videos that show the sun (or shadows from it) clearly have it very high in the sky, which the sun certainly is not at 5 pm or later, even at the solstice. If this fall is real, it had to have occurred much closer to noon, and most likely prior to noon. --Rob P.S. Why are a dozen people standing around in the plaza in front of Iglesia de la Compañía, all with cell phone cameras ready to record a meteor PRIOR to its appearance!? -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 6:37 PM To: drtanuki Cc: meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP,MX Bolide now posted! Another spectacular video. Im not sure why people think this is fake, would be very hard to do, and with seemingly no purpose. I am pretty sure. it is real. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6639 - Release Date: 09/04/13 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now posted! Another spectacular video.
If this is the same one, there is the sun...high in the sky. So, the time is off http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdt-vWAUf84 Jim On 9/4/2013 6:54 PM, Matson, Robert D. wrote: Hi Mike, The biggest problem as I see it is the reported time -- some time after 5 pm local time. If this is the time that purported witnesses are claiming, then it's a hoax: it would require the meteor to be travelling north-to-south as seen from one location (Matehuala, to the NNE of San Luis Potosi), while it is clearly moving southeast-to-northwest in the San Luis Potosi video taken in front of Iglesia de la Compañía. Personally, I don't see how the time can be right. All the videos that show the sun (or shadows from it) clearly have it very high in the sky, which the sun certainly is not at 5 pm or later, even at the solstice. If this fall is real, it had to have occurred much closer to noon, and most likely prior to noon. --Rob P.S. Why are a dozen people standing around in the plaza in front of Iglesia de la Compañía, all with cell phone cameras ready to record a meteor PRIOR to its appearance!? -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 6:37 PM To: drtanuki Cc: meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP,MX Bolide now posted! Another spectacular video. Im not sure why people think this is fake, would be very hard to do, and with seemingly no purpose. I am pretty sure. it is real. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6639 - Release Date: 09/04/13 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now posted! Another spectacular video.
Hi Rob, Mike, Dirk and all, As they saywith all due respectto those of you with vastly more experience than I in the subjectthese old eyes and the brain they are attached to have digested the visual data, then thought out the technical complexities involved in producing a series of multiple fakes while estimating the cost in time and money that would be involved and finally, pondered why anyone would spend that time and treasureand for what possible purpose. Conclusion? The San Luis Potosi bolide and its history so stunningly recorded are the real deal. Thanks again, Dirk Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com Sent: Sep 4, 2013 6:54 PM To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com, drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now posted! Another spectacular video. Hi Mike, The biggest problem as I see it is the reported time -- some time after 5 pm local time. If this is the time that purported witnesses are claiming, then it's a hoax: it would require the meteor to be travelling north-to-south as seen from one location (Matehuala, to the NNE of San Luis Potosi), while it is clearly moving southeast-to-northwest in the San Luis Potosi video taken in front of Iglesia de la Compañía. Personally, I don't see how the time can be right. All the videos that show the sun (or shadows from it) clearly have it very high in the sky, which the sun certainly is not at 5 pm or later, even at the solstice. If this fall is real, it had to have occurred much closer to noon, and most likely prior to noon. --Rob P.S. Why are a dozen people standing around in the plaza in front of Iglesia de la Compañía, all with cell phone cameras ready to record a meteor PRIOR to its appearance!? -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 6:37 PM To: drtanuki Cc: meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP,MX Bolide now posted! Another spectacular video. Im not sure why people think this is fake, would be very hard to do, and with seemingly no purpose. I am pretty sure. it is real. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now, posted! Another spectacular video.
Hi all, Like Rob and a few others I am very suspicious of these videos. Basically for the same reasons that Rob mentions. - Marco - Dr Marco (asteroid 183294) Langbroek Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) e-mail: d...@marcolangbroek.nl http://www.dmsweb.org http://www.marcolangbroek.nl - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now posted! Another spectacular video.
Hi all! I did some quick shadow comparson on the video. The sun was extremely high.maybe within 7 degrees of vertical. Anyone else??? The video I posted should the subject sweeping the sun which confirms it was extremely high in the sky. I would tend to this that video was not faked.if it was the same event. But for some reason, which does not suprize me, the 5 pm time is WAY OFF if that is the local time given! Thus the reason to us Universal Standard Time. Sigh... Jim On 9/5/2013 6:46 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote: Hi Rob and all! Best I can tell from the videos, without mapping anything, is that the sun is actually very high in the sky which is creating down shadows on object protruding from the buildings. This is easy to see. And if we had some measurements of those objects could estimated very closely what time it was. Darn, where are the sky cameras when we need them!! Jim On 9/4/2013 6:54 PM, Matson, Robert D. wrote: Hi Mike, The biggest problem as I see it is the reported time -- some time after 5 pm local time. If this is the time that purported witnesses are claiming, then it's a hoax: it would require the meteor to be travelling north-to-south as seen from one location (Matehuala, to the NNE of San Luis Potosi), while it is clearly moving southeast-to-northwest in the San Luis Potosi video taken in front of Iglesia de la Compañía. Personally, I don't see how the time can be right. All the videos that show the sun (or shadows from it) clearly have it very high in the sky, which the sun certainly is not at 5 pm or later, even at the solstice. If this fall is real, it had to have occurred much closer to noon, and most likely prior to noon. --Rob P.S. Why are a dozen people standing around in the plaza in front of Iglesia de la Compañía, all with cell phone cameras ready to record a meteor PRIOR to its appearance!? -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 6:37 PM To: drtanuki Cc: meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP,MX Bolide now posted! Another spectacular video. Im not sure why people think this is fake, would be very hard to do, and with seemingly no purpose. I am pretty sure. it is real. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6639 - Release Date: 09/04/13 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now posted! Another spectacular video.
Im not sure why people think this is fake, would be very hard to do, and with seemingly no purpose. I am pretty sure. it is real. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Sep 4, 2013, at 6:30 PM, drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com wrote: List, Still ready to eat my zapatos, but I am still calling this MX daytime bolide event REAL! Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now posted! Another spectacular video- http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2013/09/san-luis-potosi-mexico-daytime-bolide_5.html Dirk Ross...Tokuo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now posted! Another spectacular video.
Hi Mike, The biggest problem as I see it is the reported time -- some time after 5 pm local time. If this is the time that purported witnesses are claiming, then it's a hoax: it would require the meteor to be travelling north-to-south as seen from one location (Matehuala, to the NNE of San Luis Potosi), while it is clearly moving southeast-to-northwest in the San Luis Potosi video taken in front of Iglesia de la Compañía. Personally, I don't see how the time can be right. All the videos that show the sun (or shadows from it) clearly have it very high in the sky, which the sun certainly is not at 5 pm or later, even at the solstice. If this fall is real, it had to have occurred much closer to noon, and most likely prior to noon. --Rob P.S. Why are a dozen people standing around in the plaza in front of Iglesia de la Compañía, all with cell phone cameras ready to record a meteor PRIOR to its appearance!? -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 6:37 PM To: drtanuki Cc: meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP,MX Bolide now posted! Another spectacular video. Im not sure why people think this is fake, would be very hard to do, and with seemingly no purpose. I am pretty sure. it is real. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
