Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO!
What a shame. California is in all this trouble and could raise nice amounts by selling permits to hunt these areas. Greg C Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 12:57:07 To: Adammeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! Believe it or not, It is illegal to carry a magnet on a stick or any other searching device into some areas of California for the purpose of locating a resource. Get caught with a magnetic cane or no permit on Ivanpah Dry Lake bed for example and you will be in big trouble with the BLM. Any place that has artifacts in California which includes most dry lake beds is now off-limits to using a magnetic cane or metal detector for searching. This is what I was told by a BLM officer in the Needles California office when I tried to pin them down for answers and permits. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO!
These permits are free, just a huge hassle in order to get one. They want to know everything about your visits afterward on reports that need to be sent in. Stay out of any area that requires a permit if you do not have one. We learned the hard way. Our team was snitched out by a competitive hunter from L.A. when we did not know you needed permits. A gate leading to a lake bed was left open with the permit required signs on the back of it obscured when we went through it. When we tried to exit the lake bed at the end of the day, the gate was closed and a BLM truck on the way. Needless to say, this catch em alive trap worked very well. I now research every area I enter and look carefully for signs. If I see a BLM truck, I ask questions first. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO!
Hello Eric, Respectfully, I think your statement is outrageous, especially coming from the creator of the upcoming Meteorite Hunting Magazine. How can you make a statement that is in opposition to what you are promoting? There is nothing wrong with using a meteorite stick! Meteorite Hunting is a fun activity that people of all ages can be involved in. You should know what a special experience it is to be hunting out in the field and find a real meteorite. Sure over time you learn that you should not hold magnets to meteorites, this act will make them useless for certain magnetic experiments. But to say from the door that magnets are bad is kind of ridiculous in my opinion. Everyone knows the first Meteorite test is to see if a magnet sticks. Sure it would be great if all Meteorite hunters were as experienced as you are, but this is not the case, and they cannot be taught to spot a meteorite without the use of a magnet, or first hand experience. That is just the reality that we live in. Almost every collector holds up a magnet to a meteorite to test it, why don't you go attack them for that matter. Meteorite Hunting is fun. I think any activity that promotes the science, culture, and study of them should be encouraged, even looking for them with a magnet on a stick! John Higgins IMCA# 9822 - Original Message From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 1:44:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil Curious about the magnetic properties of meteorites as well. We all know that you can magnetize metal just by placing it near a powerful magnet. I read yesterday in Richard Kowalski's post about Brother Guy Consolmagno's visit to Tucson. Dr Concolmagno's research also includes the study of magnetic properties of meteorites. I'm sure he's not the only person to study these properties, but it got me to thinking about it. If one does in fact use a magnet cane on a meteorite, do you impart any magnetic field into the meteorite? I would think yes, even if it is small on a scale only readable by the most powerful equipment. My question is does it cause problems with analyzing/testing? Is this a form of contamination? My question would of course then be... Why use a magnetic cane at all? If you think about it, we're taught NOT to remove a meteorite from it's original location until we get in-situ photos, and record GPS coordinates of the find. If you use a magnetic cane, the meteorite will be removed from it's ancient resting place as it snaps onto the magnet. Eric On 8/24/2010 10:10 AM, Matson, Robert D. wrote: Mark wrote: As soon as everyone stops using metal detectors and magnet canes to look for meteorites then the first Lunars in Europe or USA will eventually be found, until then! I have never used a magnet cane, nor will I ever, and I always advise new hunters against their use. A magnet cane is basically an H-, L-, iron, and stony-iron filter. I sometimes carry an LL6 with me to the desert on the off-chance I'll run into someone using a magnet cane. That usually cures them. ;-) --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO!
Hi John, List, Who the heck said I was experienced?! ;) LOL I'm sure there are people who'd argue against that... (they'd be wrong, but that doesn't stop the their BS now does it?) No offense meant. I think you took what I was saying personally and the wrong way. I never said magnets are bad. I asked questions about contamination... That said, I still use one. In certain circumstances. Does that make me an evil meteorite monger? No, and neither does it make anyone else that uses a meteorite stick an evil person. I asked the question because I don't know about magnetic properties and study of these properties in meteorites. I don't really know the importance of the magnetic property issue, hence my question to Rob, and the list. Logically I would deduce that if you were going to measure the magnetic properties of a meteorite you would not want to contaminate the meteorite by introducing a source of highly powerful magnetism to the meteorite before you measured it. Seems illogical to me. However I could be wrong, and I honestly don't know. Also, in my opinion, (which you have every right to disagree with) if you remove a meteorite from it's resting place before recording it's location, it dilutes the data to an extent... Granted you can set it back down, take a picture, and even record the EXACT GPS location. All the information as far as science is concerned is accurate right? No... What the meteorite looked like in-situ for eons before you ever touched it is gone. The data is gone because the meteorite was disturbed by the magnet from it's resting place before a picture was taken. Does this matter? People would argue that too. So technically, you're right, I did come down hard on using magnets. But hey, magnets are tough, I'm sure they can take it. I wasn't attacking anyone at all, I was questioning the use of magnets with relation to studying magnetic properties of meteorites and the seemingly obvious contamination using one would cause. Also, for the record, there's nothing wrong with testing a suspect meteorite to see if it sticks to a magnet. I do it, everyone I know does it. in fact I don't know a meteorite hunter that doesn't carry a neo mag on him/her at all times while in the field, and most times anywhere they go. I will agree 100% with you on your comments: ...Meteorite Hunting is a fun activity that people of all ages can be involved in I think any activity that promotes the science, culture, and study of them should be encouraged, even looking for them with a magnet on a stick!... Right on! Regards, Eric On 8/24/2010 11:52 AM, John higgins wrote: Hello Eric, Respectfully, I think your statement is outrageous, especially coming from the creator of the upcoming Meteorite Hunting Magazine. How can you make a statement that is in opposition to what you are promoting? There is nothing wrong with using a meteorite stick! Meteorite Hunting is a fun activity that people of all ages can be involved in. You should know what a special experience it is to be hunting out in the field and find a real meteorite. Sure over time you learn that you should not hold magnets to meteorites, this act will make them useless for certain magnetic experiments. But to say from the door that magnets are bad is kind of ridiculous in my opinion. Everyone knows the first Meteorite test is to see if a magnet sticks. Sure it would be great if all Meteorite hunters were as experienced as you are, but this is not the case, and they cannot be taught to spot a meteorite without the use of a magnet, or first hand experience. That is just the reality that we live in. Almost every collector holds up a magnet to a meteorite to test it, why don't you go attack them for that matter. Meteorite Hunting is fun. I think any activity that promotes the science, culture, and study of them should be encouraged, even looking for them with a magnet on a stick! John Higgins IMCA# 9822 - Original Message From: Meteorites USAe...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 1:44:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil Curious about the magnetic properties of meteorites as well. We all know that you can magnetize metal just by placing it near a powerful magnet. I read yesterday in Richard Kowalski's post about Brother Guy Consolmagno's visit to Tucson. Dr Concolmagno's research also includes the study of magnetic properties of meteorites. I'm sure he's not the only person to study these properties, but it got me to thinking about it. If one does in fact use a magnet cane on a meteorite, do you impart any magnetic field into the meteorite? I would think yes, even if it is small on a scale only readable by the most powerful equipment. My question is does it cause problems with analyzing/testing? Is this a form of contamination? My question would of course then be... Why use a magnetic cane at all? If you think about
Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO!
Believe it or not, It is illegal to carry a magnet on a stick or any other searching device into some areas of California for the purpose of locating a resource. Get caught with a magnetic cane or no permit on Ivanpah Dry Lake bed for example and you will be in big trouble with the BLM. Any place that has artifacts in California which includes most dry lake beds is now off-limits to using a magnetic cane or metal detector for searching. This is what I was told by a BLM officer in the Needles California office when I tried to pin them down for answers and permits. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello All, Eric Actually has something of a valid point, I think. I've heard that using a rare-earth magnet on a planetary meteorite can realign the magnetic domains within the stone. While that may not seem too important, some people have studied the magnetic properties of martian meteorites as a means of trying to understand Mars' ancient magnetic field; the magnetic domains within older martian basalts were set in stone when those rocks cooled billions of years ago. But I'm not sure if this is entirely true. If anyone out there might have some input on this, I'd be curious to hear more about it. Thanks, Jason On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: Hi John, List, Who the heck said I was experienced?! ;) LOL I'm sure there are people who'd argue against that... (they'd be wrong, but that doesn't stop the their BS now does it?) No offense meant. I think you took what I was saying personally and the wrong way. I never said magnets are bad. I asked questions about contamination... That said, I still use one. In certain circumstances. Does that make me an evil meteorite monger? No, and neither does it make anyone else that uses a meteorite stick an evil person. I asked the question because I don't know about magnetic properties and study of these properties in meteorites. I don't really know the importance of the magnetic property issue, hence my question to Rob, and the list. Logically I would deduce that if you were going to measure the magnetic properties of a meteorite you would not want to contaminate the meteorite by introducing a source of highly powerful magnetism to the meteorite before you measured it. Seems illogical to me. However I could be wrong, and I honestly don't know. Also, in my opinion, (which you have every right to disagree with) if you remove a meteorite from it's resting place before recording it's location, it dilutes the data to an extent... Granted you can set it back down, take a picture, and even record the EXACT GPS location. All the information as far as science is concerned is accurate right? No... What the meteorite looked like in-situ for eons before you ever touched it is gone. The data is gone because the meteorite was disturbed by the magnet from it's resting place before a picture was taken. Does this matter? People would argue that too. So technically, you're right, I did come down hard on using magnets. But hey, magnets are tough, I'm sure they can take it. I wasn't attacking anyone at all, I was questioning the use of magnets with relation to studying magnetic properties of meteorites and the seemingly obvious contamination using one would cause. Also, for the record, there's nothing wrong with testing a suspect meteorite to see if it sticks to a magnet. I do it, everyone I know does it. in fact I don't know a meteorite hunter that doesn't carry a neo mag on him/her at all times while in the field, and most times anywhere they go. I will agree 100% with you on your comments: ...Meteorite Hunting is a fun activity that people of all ages can be involved in I think any activity that promotes the science, culture, and study of them should be encouraged, even looking for them with a magnet on a stick!... Right on! Regards, Eric On 8/24/2010 11:52 AM, John higgins wrote: Hello Eric, Respectfully, I think your statement is outrageous, especially coming from the creator of the upcoming Meteorite Hunting Magazine. How can you make a statement that is in opposition to what you are promoting? There is nothing wrong with using a meteorite stick! Meteorite Hunting is a fun activity that people of all ages can be involved in. You should know what a special experience it is to be hunting out in the field and find a real meteorite. Sure over time you learn that you should not hold magnets to meteorites, this act will make them useless for certain magnetic experiments. But to say from the door that magnets are bad is kind of ridiculous in my opinion. Everyone knows the first Meteorite test is to see if a magnet sticks. Sure it would be great if all Meteorite hunters were as experienced as you are, but this is not the case, and they cannot be taught to spot a meteorite without the use of a magnet, or first hand experience. That is just the reality that we live in. Almost every collector holds up a magnet to a meteorite to test it, why don't you go attack them for that matter. Meteorite Hunting is fun. I think any activity that promotes the science, culture, and study of them should be encouraged, even looking for them with a magnet on a stick! John Higgins IMCA# 9822 - Original Message From: Meteorites USAe...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 1:44:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil Curious about the magnetic properties of meteorites as well. We all
Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO!
They (the BLM) don't want to allow meteorite collecting but they will allow ATV's to race and tear up the lake bed. - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! Believe it or not, It is illegal to carry a magnet on a stick or any other searching device into some areas of California for the purpose of locating a resource. Get caught with a magnetic cane or no permit on Ivanpah Dry Lake bed for example and you will be in big trouble with the BLM. Any place that has artifacts in California which includes most dry lake beds is now off-limits to using a magnetic cane or metal detector for searching. This is what I was told by a BLM officer in the Needles California office when I tried to pin them down for answers and permits. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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yeah it's pretty crazy - I suppose if you said you were from down south, up here looking for work, they wouldn't mind a bit... - Original Message From: R N Hartman rhartma...@earthlink.net To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 2:28:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! They (the BLM) don't want to allow meteorite collecting but they will allow ATV's to race and tear up the lake bed. - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! Believe it or not, It is illegal to carry a magnet on a stick or any other searching device into some areas of California for the purpose of locating a resource. Get caught with a magnetic cane or no permit on Ivanpah Dry Lake bed for example and you will be in big trouble with the BLM. Any place that has artifacts in California which includes most dry lake beds is now off-limits to using a magnetic cane or metal detector for searching. This is what I was told by a BLM officer in the Needles California office when I tried to pin them down for answers and permits. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense. But few things do when it comes to the more arcane aspects of laws and regulations. And think of all the oil and fluids that drip from those ATV's. On 8/24/10, R N Hartman rhartma...@earthlink.net wrote: They (the BLM) don't want to allow meteorite collecting but they will allow ATV's to race and tear up the lake bed. - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! Believe it or not, It is illegal to carry a magnet on a stick or any other searching device into some areas of California for the purpose of locating a resource. Get caught with a magnetic cane or no permit on Ivanpah Dry Lake bed for example and you will be in big trouble with the BLM. Any place that has artifacts in California which includes most dry lake beds is now off-limits to using a magnetic cane or metal detector for searching. This is what I was told by a BLM officer in the Needles California office when I tried to pin them down for answers and permits. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I know these laws don't always make sense. I think they are trying to protect the Indian artifacts more than anything else by these no searching device rules. The last I checked, these artifacts were made of stone not metal so who knows what the lawmakers were thinking. Most listen too much of what they hear on TV and have no reality of what really is going on. I have a question. Does anybody know why Roach Dry Lake is closed in Nevada? Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: R N Hartman rhartma...@earthlink.net To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 2:28:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! They (the BLM) don't want to allow meteorite collecting but they will allow ATV's to race and tear up the lake bed. - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! Believe it or not, It is illegal to carry a magnet on a stick or any other searching device into some areas of California for the purpose of locating a resource. Get caught with a magnetic cane or no permit on Ivanpah Dry Lake bed for example and you will be in big trouble with the BLM. Any place that has artifacts in California which includes most dry lake beds is now off-limits to using a magnetic cane or metal detector for searching. This is what I was told by a BLM officer in the Needles California office when I tried to pin them down for answers and permits. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Adam, I think the Antiquities Act is being abused much like the Commerce Clause has been. It was about archaeological sites, but now it's anything the government perceives as a possible way to get money. In my experience interpretation and enforcement is arbitrary, and will continue to be as long as the law is vague and there are no legal challenges which will result in guidelines. Happy hunting, Mark - Original Message From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 3:34:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! I know these laws don't always make sense. I think they are trying to protect the Indian artifacts more than anything else by these no searching device rules. The last I checked, these artifacts were made of stone not metal so who knows what the lawmakers were thinking. Most listen too much of what they hear on TV and have no reality of what really is going on. I have a question. Does anybody know why Roach Dry Lake is closed in Nevada? Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: R N Hartman rhartma...@earthlink.net To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 2:28:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! They (the BLM) don't want to allow meteorite collecting but they will allow ATV's to race and tear up the lake bed. - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! Believe it or not, It is illegal to carry a magnet on a stick or any other searching device into some areas of California for the purpose of locating a resource. Get caught with a magnetic cane or no permit on Ivanpah Dry Lake bed for example and you will be in big trouble with the BLM. Any place that has artifacts in California which includes most dry lake beds is now off-limits to using a magnetic cane or metal detector for searching. This is what I was told by a BLM officer in the Needles California office when I tried to pin them down for answers and permits. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Adam, I have a question. Does anybody know why Roach Dry Lake is closed in Nevada? Last time I was there, it was closed by some development corporation, presumably in expectation of building a Southern Nevada Supplemental Airport, pending an environmental impact assessment. I just found the following document online: had at one time Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: R N Hartman rhartma...@earthlink.net To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 2:28:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! They (the BLM) don't want to allow meteorite collecting but they will allow ATV's to race and tear up the lake bed. - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! Believe it or not, It is illegal to carry a magnet on a stick or any other searching device into some areas of California for the purpose of locating a resource. Get caught with a magnetic cane or no permit on Ivanpah Dry Lake bed for example and you will be in big trouble with the BLM. Any place that has artifacts in California which includes most dry lake beds is now off-limits to using a magnetic cane or metal detector for searching. This is what I was told by a BLM officer in the Needles California office when I tried to pin them down for answers and permits. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO!
The truth is the law has not been changed. The new attitude is the result of a policy change mandated internally by the BLM. They are using the antiquities law to prosecute. I do not believe this has been challenged as of yet. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Adam Hupe Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:35 PM To: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! I know these laws don't always make sense. I think they are trying to protect the Indian artifacts more than anything else by these no searching device rules. The last I checked, these artifacts were made of stone not metal so who knows what the lawmakers were thinking. Most listen too much of what they hear on TV and have no reality of what really is going on. I have a question. Does anybody know why Roach Dry Lake is closed in Nevada? Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: R N Hartman rhartma...@earthlink.net To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 2:28:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! They (the BLM) don't want to allow meteorite collecting but they will allow ATV's to race and tear up the lake bed. - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! Believe it or not, It is illegal to carry a magnet on a stick or any other searching device into some areas of California for the purpose of locating a resource. Get caught with a magnetic cane or no permit on Ivanpah Dry Lake bed for example and you will be in big trouble with the BLM. Any place that has artifacts in California which includes most dry lake beds is now off-limits to using a magnetic cane or metal detector for searching. This is what I was told by a BLM officer in the Needles California office when I tried to pin them down for answers and permits. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO!
No it's not been challenged. Yet... Internal Policy, nor misinterpretation of vague/broad Acts, is not law. Eric On 8/24/2010 3:55 PM, David Norton wrote: The truth is the law has not been changed. The new attitude is the result of a policy change mandated internally by the BLM. They are using the antiquities law to prosecute. I do not believe this has been challenged as of yet. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Adam Hupe Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:35 PM To: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! I know these laws don't always make sense. I think they are trying to protect the Indian artifacts more than anything else by these no searching device rules. The last I checked, these artifacts were made of stone not metal so who knows what the lawmakers were thinking. Most listen too much of what they hear on TV and have no reality of what really is going on. I have a question. Does anybody know why Roach Dry Lake is closed in Nevada? Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: R N Hartmanrhartma...@earthlink.net To: Adam Huperaremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite Centralmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 2:28:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! They (the BLM) don't want to allow meteorite collecting but they will allow ATV's to race and tear up the lake bed. - Original Message - From: Adam Huperaremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adammeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil DONT THINK SO! Believe it or not, It is illegal to carry a magnet on a stick or any other searching device into some areas of California for the purpose of locating a resource. Get caught with a magnetic cane or no permit on Ivanpah Dry Lake bed for example and you will be in big trouble with the BLM. Any place that has artifacts in California which includes most dry lake beds is now off-limits to using a magnetic cane or metal detector for searching. This is what I was told by a BLM officer in the Needles California office when I tried to pin them down for answers and permits. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
