Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes (and others)

[Michael Blood via Meteorite-list]

Thanks to all,
Michael

> On May 2, 2017, at 4:01 AM, Bigjohn Shea  wrote:
> 
> Michael and all,
> 
> There are a couple of places where you can get membrane boxes (you can even 
> find them on Amazon if you know the product name) but these places tends to 
> be the most complete resource online in my opinion.
> 
> https://www.emsdiasum.com/microscopy/products/preparation/sample_storage.aspx
> 
> http://membranebox.com
> 
> For shadow boxes I usually get them here, specifically if I need a good 
> number of them because they sell at reduced prices for higher quantities.
> 
> http://www.chdisplay.com
> 
> These white glass front boxes are also a good alternative to the membrane box 
> for small pieces. I also like that they have dark interiors on some, which 
> make for a nice display contrast sometimes.
> 
> http://www.migacorp.com/micromount_displays.htm
> 
> I tend to gravitate towards the clear acrylic cases with the white padding. 
> They are available from a few places online from reliable sellers.
> 
> Mirko sells them from Europe through ebay:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/371878470141 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/232108761207 
> 
> You can get basically the same ones from Gary in the US:
> https://m.facebook.com/groups/116729875004670/?view=group
> 
> Cheers!
> John A. Shea, MD
> IMCA 3295
> www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> On 5/1/17 at 11:07 PM, Michael Blood via Meteorite-list wrote:
> 
>> In the past “the list” has provided information on where to Best Buy 
>> Membrane boxes (both the 1” X 1” and the flat, clamp shut ones that
>> Are 3” X 3” or there about and larger.
>> 
>> However, when my email crashed I lost ALL my “sources” folder
>> And would very much appreciate if someone would post some 
>> Ot these great sources.
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>> Michael 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes (and others)

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Michael and all,

There are a couple of places where you can get membrane boxes (you can even 
find them on Amazon if you know the product name) but these places tends to be 
the most complete resource online in my opinion.

https://www.emsdiasum.com/microscopy/products/preparation/sample_storage.aspx

http://membranebox.com

For shadow boxes I usually get them here, specifically if I need a good number 
of them because they sell at reduced prices for higher quantities.

http://www.chdisplay.com

These white glass front boxes are also a good alternative to the membrane box 
for small pieces. I also like that they have dark interiors on some, which make 
for a nice display contrast sometimes.

http://www.migacorp.com/micromount_displays.htm

I tend to gravitate towards the clear acrylic cases with the white padding. 
They are available from a few places online from reliable sellers.

Mirko sells them from Europe through ebay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/371878470141 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/232108761207 

You can get basically the same ones from Gary in the US:
https://m.facebook.com/groups/116729875004670/?view=group

Cheers!
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
www.bigjohnmeteorites.com






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On 5/1/17 at 11:07 PM, Michael Blood via Meteorite-list wrote:

> In the past “the list” has provided information on where to Best Buy 
> Membrane boxes (both the 1” X 1” and the flat, clamp shut ones that
> Are 3” X 3” or there about and larger.
> 
> However, when my email crashed I lost ALL my “sources” folder
> And would very much appreciate if someone would post some 
> Ot these great sources.
> 
> Thanks, 
> Michael 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[Michael Blood via Meteorite-list]

In the past “the list” has provided information on where to Best Buy 
Membrane boxes (both the 1” X 1” and the flat, clamp shut ones that
Are 3” X 3” or there about and larger.

However, when my email crashed I lost ALL my “sources” folder
And would very much appreciate if someone would post some 
Ot these great sources.

Thanks, 
Michael 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane boxes go boom?

[Sean T. Murray]

I have a very stubborn Ghubara that destroyed two membrane boxes in the same 
fashion.  Whatever evil substance that oozes from that chondrite kills a 
membrane in short span.


Sean.

-Original Message- 
From: tracy latimer

Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 10:28 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Membrane boxes go boom?


I am observing something weird with some of my older membrane boxes.  The 
membrane is starting to degrade and go cloudy, and in at least one specimen 
(Imilac, bought at Tucson, I forget the year) the membrane has ruptured and 
the slice is rattling around loose in the box.  Has anyone else had this 
happen to their specimens?


Best!
Tracy Latimer

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Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane boxes go boom?

[Jim Wooddell]

Hi all!

I have never recommended the membrane boxes for storage...and in
particular long term storage and fall recovery storage on fresh
samples.

What are you guys using them fordisplay sort of thing?

My choice of storage:

1. Pure glass container - jar with glass lid with specimen above a
dissicate bag or two.

2. Teflon bags - kinda pricey but good stuff for long term storage and
movement of samples, imho

3.  None, in open air.  (I live in the desert)

4.  Gem Jars

None of these have ever let me down.


Last period of time I quit using a membrane box was shortly after
looking at Robert Wards Sutter Mill find that was in a membrane box.
As I looked at it, I noticed a fracture and I think both of us sh**
our pants at that point in time as RW did not see that prior.  My
suggestion was to loose the membrane box.  I am not saying the box
caused it, but the rock did not need anymore pressure on it!  What an
awesome rock it was!  The only membrane box I have left in use has a
small Allende in it that I purchased from Anne.  I just don't use
them...not that I have any sort of huge collectionjust the
opposite really!

Cheers!

Jim Wooddell





On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Sean T. Murray s...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 I have a very stubborn Ghubara that destroyed two membrane boxes in the same
 fashion.  Whatever evil substance that oozes from that chondrite kills a
 membrane in short span.

 Sean.

 -Original Message- From: tracy latimer
 Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 10:28 PM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

 Subject: [meteorite-list] Membrane boxes go boom?


 I am observing something weird with some of my older membrane boxes.  The
 membrane is starting to degrade and go cloudy, and in at least one specimen
 (Imilac, bought at Tucson, I forget the year) the membrane has ruptured and
 the slice is rattling around loose in the box.  Has anyone else had this
 happen to their specimens?

 Best!
 Tracy Latimer

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Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane boxes go boom?

[Karen Ziegler]

Hi,

I have seen the same thing, the membranes seem to have a limited lifetime
only, then they turn cloudy and brittle - even without containing any
specimens! They're not really suited for long-term storage.

Karen



On 3/5/13 8:55 AM, Sean T. Murray s...@bellsouth.net wrote:

I have a very stubborn Ghubara that destroyed two membrane boxes in the
same 
fashion.  Whatever evil substance that oozes from that chondrite kills a
membrane in short span.

Sean.

-Original Message-
From: tracy latimer
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 10:28 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Membrane boxes go boom?


I am observing something weird with some of my older membrane boxes.  The
membrane is starting to degrade and go cloudy, and in at least one
specimen 
(Imilac, bought at Tucson, I forget the year) the membrane has ruptured
and 
the slice is rattling around loose in the box.  Has anyone else had this
happen to their specimens?

Best!
Tracy Latimer

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Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane boxes go boom?

[Gary Fujihara]

Sorry to hear about your membranebox Sean. But Ghubara is a bleeder and I never 
put a ruster or bleeder in a membranebox because they will stain the 
polyurethane membranes permanently (on a good note, Ron H. used to replace them 
for me, or broken latches before he passed). 

Also, if you live in a highly humid environment like I do, then you don't want 
to be using membrane boxes for certain kinds of specimens because they will 
trap the humidity inside. I typically mount and store specimens I keep in 
membrane boxes in my institute office, which is kept in climate controlled AC 
24 hours a day.

Tracy, I've never experienced a membrane getting cloudy. But as I mentioned 
before, all membrane boxes are kept in an air conditioned office. I have 
membrane boxes over five years old that are in the same condition as new ones, 
both enclosing specimens of all kinds and never used.

Other than the aforementioned issues, membrane boxes are a great solution to 
storage, protection and display of specimens. 

gary

On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:55 AM, Sean T. Murray s...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 I have a very stubborn Ghubara that destroyed two membrane boxes in the same 
 fashion.  Whatever evil substance that oozes from that chondrite kills a 
 membrane in short span.
 
 Sean.
 
 -Original Message- From: tracy latimer
 Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 10:28 PM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Membrane boxes go boom?
 
 
 I am observing something weird with some of my older membrane boxes.  The 
 membrane is starting to degrade and go cloudy, and in at least one specimen 
 (Imilac, bought at Tucson, I forget the year) the membrane has ruptured and 
 the slice is rattling around loose in the box.  Has anyone else had this 
 happen to their specimens?
 
 Best!
 Tracy Latimer
 
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(808) 640-9161
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Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane boxes go boom?

[tracy latimer]

A completely unofficial count:
Of the 12 membrane boxes I have, about half of them are going cloudy.  All but 
one are meteorites; the other is a Louisiana opal (sandstone matrix).  
Fortunately, none of the professional displays (enclosed labels) or specks it 
would be problematic to rebox (Martians) have decayed yet, although that may be 
coming.  I mainly use the membrane boxes when I have a specimen whose 
aesthetics are enhanced by being able to see (through) both sides, or if it 
came that way.  If you use membrane boxes to create those nifty display boxes 
with elaborate inside labels, you may want to take their apparent shelf life 
into consideration.  My meteorites are not in a climate controlled area, 
although once a specimen goes in a gem jar or box, it generally stays there and 
has limited exposure to the outside air.

Best!
Tracy Latimer

 From: fuj...@mac.com
 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 06:25:35 -1000
 To: s...@bellsouth.net
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; daist...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane boxes go boom?

 Sorry to hear about your membranebox Sean. But Ghubara is a bleeder and I 
 never put a ruster or bleeder in a membranebox because they will stain the 
 polyurethane membranes permanently (on a good note, Ron H. used to replace 
 them for me, or broken latches before he passed).

 Also, if you live in a highly humid environment like I do, then you don't 
 want to be using membrane boxes for certain kinds of specimens because they 
 will trap the humidity inside. I typically mount and store specimens I keep 
 in membrane boxes in my institute office, which is kept in climate controlled 
 AC 24 hours a day.

 Tracy, I've never experienced a membrane getting cloudy. But as I mentioned 
 before, all membrane boxes are kept in an air conditioned office. I have 
 membrane boxes over five years old that are in the same condition as new 
 ones, both enclosing specimens of all kinds and never used.

 Other than the aforementioned issues, membrane boxes are a great solution to 
 storage, protection and display of specimens.

 gary

 On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:55 AM, Sean T. Murray s...@bellsouth.net wrote:

  I have a very stubborn Ghubara that destroyed two membrane boxes in the 
  same fashion. Whatever evil substance that oozes from that chondrite kills 
  a membrane in short span.
 
  Sean.
 
  -Original Message- From: tracy latimer
  Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 10:28 PM
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Membrane boxes go boom?
 
 
  I am observing something weird with some of my older membrane boxes. The 
  membrane is starting to degrade and go cloudy, and in at least one specimen 
  (Imilac, bought at Tucson, I forget the year) the membrane has ruptured and 
  the slice is rattling around loose in the box. Has anyone else had this 
  happen to their specimens?
 
  Best!
  Tracy Latimer
 
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 PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720
 (808) 640-9161
 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
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Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane boxes go boom?

[hall]

   I have been removing most of my .25g to 5g specimens from membrane
boxes and putting them into gem boxes with the glass tops of 3 sq. cm,
or 1 3/16 sq. It is much easier to see the specimen through glass then
the plastic. I put a label, written in pencil, inside under the foam.
Another stick-on-label goes on the outside bottom. I also put a section
of Intercept Corrosion copper material inside, under the foam bottom.
The foam is covered with a cloth that is black on one side and white on
the other, giving you a choice.
   I attended a museum talk on preservation of mineral specimens and
labels some many years ago, and learned that pencil will outlast even
India ink. Most inks will fade away in less then a century, but pencil
will last as long as the paper lasts. I also use acid free paper inside
the box. So the labels will last far, far longer than I will.
   The Intercept Corrosion material will not stop a ruster specimen from
rusting away, as I tried a problem Campo (that I had just cleaned up)
set inside a riker box, set directly on the Intercept material. In six
months time the fractures were filled with rust. I'm just hoping that
the material will help keep the usually stable meteorites from
developing into a ruster while enclosed.
   The glass top gem boxes fit into a nice looking case that holds 32
specimens. The case cost around $14.00 plus a few bucks for the 32 box
divider. I bought them at the Tucson Show in 2012.
   For problem meteorites (rusters) both iron and stony, I recently
started using the Australian museum method of meteorite preservation,
using Al foil and sodium carbonate in hot, distilled water. I use a
crock pot to treat the specimens that will fit into it. I set the crock
pot heat on high. I mix up the sodium carbonate and warm water in the
pot. I slowly warm up the meteorite in an oven (don't want any
temperature shock). I wrap the meteorite in Al foil that I have holed
with a fork, so the water can move around the specimen. Then I set the
warmed specimen into the crock pot and leave the specimens in for an
hour or so. I agitate the water every 15 minutes or so, and sometimes
add a little more sodium carbonate. LEAVE the crock pot lid OFF, as
some gases are produced. I set the crock pot under an open window. And
NO! I don't reuse the crock pot for my winter soup.
   Always wear eye protection and rubber gloves and follow the normal
safety rules. Check out the Australian museum site or the
meteoritemarket/galvanic site for more info and the mixture formula.
Cheers, Fred Hall


 A completely unofficial count:
 Of the 12 membrane boxes I have, about half of them are going cloudy.  All
 but one are meteorites; the other is a Louisiana opal (sandstone matrix). 
 Fortunately, none of the professional displays (enclosed labels) or specks
 it would be problematic to rebox (Martians) have decayed yet, although
 that may be coming.  I mainly use the membrane boxes when I have a
 specimen whose aesthetics are enhanced by being able to see (through) both
 sides, or if it came that way.  If you use membrane boxes to create those
 nifty display boxes with elaborate inside labels, you may want to take
 their apparent shelf life into consideration.  My meteorites are not in a
 climate controlled area, although once a specimen goes in a gem jar or
 box, it generally stays there and has limited exposure to the outside air.

 Best!
 Tracy Latimer
 
 From: fuj...@mac.com
 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 06:25:35 -1000
 To: s...@bellsouth.net
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; daist...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane boxes go boom?

 Sorry to hear about your membranebox Sean. But Ghubara is a bleeder and
 I never put a ruster or bleeder in a membranebox because they will stain
 the polyurethane membranes permanently (on a good note, Ron H. used to
 replace them for me, or broken latches before he passed).

 Also, if you live in a highly humid environment like I do, then you
 don't want to be using membrane boxes for certain kinds of specimens
 because they will trap the humidity inside. I typically mount and store
 specimens I keep in membrane boxes in my institute office, which is kept
 in climate controlled AC 24 hours a day.

 Tracy, I've never experienced a membrane getting cloudy. But as I
 mentioned before, all membrane boxes are kept in an air conditioned
 office. I have membrane boxes over five years old that are in the same
 condition as new ones, both enclosing specimens of all kinds and never
 used.

 Other than the aforementioned issues, membrane boxes are a great
 solution to storage, protection and display of specimens.

 gary

 On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:55 AM, Sean T. Murray s...@bellsouth.net wrote:

  I have a very stubborn Ghubara that destroyed two membrane boxes in
 the same fashion. Whatever evil substance that oozes from that
 chondrite kills a membrane in short span.
 
  Sean.
 
  -Original Message- From: tracy

Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane boxes go boom?

[Galactic Stone Ironworks]

I have had membrane boxes go cloudy on me also. I'm not sure what
causes it.  It seems to be random in my experience.   I only keep a
few of them on hand, because I store most of my personal specimens in
gemjars or riker boxes - those never get cloudy.

Best regards,

MikeG
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On 3/4/13, tracy latimer daist...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I am observing something weird with some of my older membrane boxes.  The
 membrane is starting to degrade and go cloudy, and in at least one specimen
 (Imilac, bought at Tucson, I forget the year) the membrane has ruptured and
 the slice is rattling around loose in the box.  Has anyone else had this
 happen to their specimens?

 Best!
 Tracy Latimer
   
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Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane boxes go boom?

[Frank Cressy]

Hi Tracy,

I had the membrane in one small box degrade and get very cloudy over a eight 
year (or so) period.  I was storing small mineral crystals in it. I think it 
was 

a result of heat as it was kept in my office where the AC is turned off on the 
weekends and it gets a little toasty here in the summer in Bakersfield.  I've 
seen nothing with any meteorite specimens stored this way, but there are stored 
in a more temperature environment. 

All the best,

Frank





From: tracy latimer daist...@hotmail.com
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Sent: Mon, March 4, 2013 7:29:00 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Membrane boxes go boom?


I am observing something weird with some of my older membrane boxes.  The 
membrane is starting to degrade and go cloudy, and in at least one specimen 
(Imilac, bought at Tucson, I forget the year) the membrane has ruptured and the 
slice is rattling around loose in the box.  Has anyone else had this happen to 
their specimens?

Best!
Tracy Latimer
                        
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Re: [meteorite-list] membrane boxes-link to pics (AD) Buyi

[Martin Goff]

Hi Jim,

Apologies but i have only just checked the metlist emails and so
missed your post. Got it sorted now thanks to the big kahuna! The ones
you showed pics of would appear to be identical to the Hartman ones
and the prices for us in the UK are very good. Cheers for the link :-)

Cheers

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Re: [meteorite-list] membrane boxes---HELP with sources please

[imca5098]

Hello Mr. Brady,

I am Jim Hartman and all is well at membranebox.com except for out of date 
prices on the website. I looked through the old email addresses and the 
current address membrane...@gmail.com and do not see an email from you. 
Please resend your request and I shall take care of your order.


Jim

James Hartman
membranebox.com
RNHartman Inc,
10921 Mohawk Rd.
Apple Valley, CA 92308
Office: 760-240-5190
Fax: 760-240-5190

www.membranebox.com
membrane...@gmail.com

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Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:50 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] membrane boxes---HELP with sources please

List ,I realise that Ron Hartman sadly passed away recently and maybe
the operation is on hold at membraneboxes.com as I have written and
called with no reply for weeks now.Can anyone recommend an alternate
source other than picard.co.uk who seem to not have stock available and
are extremely lax answering emails.
thanks
Jim
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Re: [meteorite-list] membrane boxes---HELP with sources please

[Sean T. Murray]

Jim,

Can you please check your inbox for my order as well?  I have been trying to 
contact you since August with no success.  I will resend the order again.


Sean

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Hello Mr. Brady,

I am Jim Hartman and all is well at membranebox.com except for out of date
prices on the website. I looked through the old email addresses and the
current address membrane...@gmail.com and do not see an email from you.
Please resend your request and I shall take care of your order.

Jim

James Hartman
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RNHartman Inc,
10921 Mohawk Rd.
Apple Valley, CA 92308
Office: 760-240-5190
Fax: 760-240-5190

www.membranebox.com
membrane...@gmail.com

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List ,I realise that Ron Hartman sadly passed away recently and maybe
the operation is on hold at membraneboxes.com as I have written and
called with no reply for weeks now.Can anyone recommend an alternate
source other than picard.co.uk who seem to not have stock available and
are extremely lax answering emails.
thanks
Jim
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Re: [meteorite-list] membrane boxes Ron Hartman??

[M come Meteorite Meteorites]

why you not write direct to the main builder

matteo

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 List,
 
 Have tried a few times to contact Ron Hartman and
 purchase more samll 
 membrane boxes.  No response.
 
 Anyone know if he is around/OK/still in business?
 
 Anyone else sell these small boxes?  39mm x 39mm x
 18mm.
 
 Cheers and Tahnks,
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] membrane boxes Ron Hartman??

[Impactika]

In a message dated 10/28/2006 2:26:49 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
List,

Have tried a few times to contact Ron  Hartman and purchase more samll 
membrane boxes.  No  response.

Anyone know if he is around/OK/still in business?

Anyone  else sell these small boxes?  39mm x 39mm x 18mm.

Cheers and  Thanks,

Mike  Tettenborn
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Yes, Ron is around and very much in business. 
Go to:  _http://www.membranebox.com/_ (http://www.membranebox.com/) 
 
I am sure he will answer you.

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!Re: [meteorite-list] membrane boxes Ron Hartman??

[R. N. Hartman]

Hello Mike,

Haven't received your email!

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ron
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www.meteorite1.com

This is not an ad.  It is a reply to an inquiry!  :=)

Ron

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 List,

 Have tried a few times to contact Ron Hartman and purchase more samll
 membrane boxes.  No response.

 Anyone know if he is around/OK/still in business?

 Anyone else sell these small boxes?  39mm x 39mm x 18mm.

 Cheers and Tahnks,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[Göran Axelsson]

A very interesting discussion but I'm lacking one thing. The shipment 
cost for crossing the Atlantic works both ways. Is there anyone on the 
European side that would sell small volumes to a  collector over here?


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Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[Paul Harris]

Hi Ed,

Please see Ron at http://www.membranebox.com/


At 08:42 AM 2/11/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello list,
I'm looking for some small membrane boxes and a jewlers loop. Can anybody 
refer me to good source for these items at fair prices?


Thanks,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[Thomas Webb]

Ed,
Several list members have membrane boxes to sell.  Ron
Hartman is one who comes to mind. www.meteorite1.com 
He may have the Jewelers' Loupe as well.  This is not
the only source, just the one that immediately came to
mind.
Thomas

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Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[M come Meteorite Meteorites]

If you want buy direct from the home where build the
membrane boxes I send to you the link

Matteo

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 I'm looking for some small membrane boxes and a
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Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[Darren Garrison]

On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:42:43 -0500, you wrote:

Hello list,
I'm looking for some small membrane boxes and a jewlers loop. Can anybody 
refer me to good source for these items at fair prices?

Those membrane boxes are great, but good luck finding good prices.  Concidering
how little plastic goes into making them, they are much, much more expensive
(from all sources) than they have any reasonable right to be.  You could almost
end up paying more for the membrane box than some of the specimens that go in
them!  I wish that they were a popular enough item to have cheap Chinese
knockoffs.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[Greg Hupe]

I find Ron Hartman's pricing very reasonable. Try to beat that by buying 
from the source in Europe and having them shipped to the US.


Greg

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Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes


On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:42:43 -0500, you wrote:


Hello list,
I'm looking for some small membrane boxes and a jewlers loop. Can anybody 
refer me to good source for these items at fair prices?


Those membrane boxes are great, but good luck finding good prices. 
Concidering

how little plastic goes into making them, they are much, much more expensive
(from all sources) than they have any reasonable right to be.  You could 
almost
end up paying more for the membrane box than some of the specimens that go 
in

them!  I wish that they were a popular enough item to have cheap Chinese
knockoffs.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[Walter Branch]

I agree.  Ron has very good service.  I would not hesitate to order from 
him.


-Walter Branch

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Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:15 PM
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I find Ron Hartman's pricing very reasonable. Try to beat that by buying 
from the source in Europe and having them shipped to the US.


Greg

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Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes


On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:42:43 -0500, you wrote:


Hello list,
I'm looking for some small membrane boxes and a jewlers loop. Can anybody 
refer me to good source for these items at fair prices?


Those membrane boxes are great, but good luck finding good prices. 
Concidering
how little plastic goes into making them, they are much, much more 
expensive
(from all sources) than they have any reasonable right to be.  You could 
almost
end up paying more for the membrane box than some of the specimens that go 
in

them!  I wish that they were a popular enough item to have cheap Chinese
knockoffs.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[Martin Altmann]

And very important is, how they are packed for shipping!
From one supplier I once ordered, they came loose in a plastic bag,
so a third of them had scratches.

Best
martin

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes


On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:42:43 -0500, you wrote:

Hello list,
I'm looking for some small membrane boxes and a jewlers loop. Can anybody
refer me to good source for these items at fair prices?

Those membrane boxes are great, but good luck finding good prices.
Concidering
how little plastic goes into making them, they are much, much more expensive
(from all sources) than they have any reasonable right to be.  You could
almost
end up paying more for the membrane box than some of the specimens that go
in
them!  I wish that they were a popular enough item to have cheap Chinese
knockoffs.
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Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[Darren Garrison]

On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:15:53 -0500, you wrote:

I find Ron Hartman's pricing very reasonable. Try to beat that by buying 
from the source in Europe and having them shipped to the US.


The prices are reasonable-- if you are displaying pieces worth a sizable
multiple of the price of the membrane box.  For instance, a $800 lunar in a $2
membrane box is no big deal.  I tend to collect micromounts, both for economic
and for space reasons.  I thought about putting all of mine into membrane boxes,
but I just could not justify paying the price per membrane box when you could
get a gem jar of about the same size for a small fraction of the price.  The gem
jars are about the same size, about the same amount of material, and about the
same complexity to manufacture, but because only one company is making the
membrane boxes, there is no competition for them, and therefore inflated,
monopoly prices.  You can't tell me that stretching that membrane across the
plastic is so much more difficult than sticking a piece of round foam in a jar
that it costs 3-4 times as much to make?  I only go with a membrane box for the
pieces with great interest on both size.  My other micro pieces go into gem
jars.  Also, I have one of the boxes like this one, and am really annoyed by the
mold mark in the middle of it-- exactly where a mold mark should NOT be on a
display case:  http://home.earthlink.net/~capricorn89/box23.jpg (irrelevant side
note-- I worked in a plastics plant running injection molding machines one
summer during school, some of the machines the size of rooms.  It gives an
interesting perspecitive on how plastic objects are made).
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Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[Martin Altmann]

Huh, where is the problem?
Hartman is taking for 100 microboxes 1.3$ each.
Seen the weak $, they cost here in Europe quite the same.
Don't tell me that you collect only 1$-pieces!

Wouldn't you make photos of those persons you love, because the albums to
keep the photos are to expensive?

For large pieces Andi Gren recommends you to take transparent plastic boxes,
to span some cling film (but not the thinnest quality) over the open side
and to fix it with Scotch tape,
ready is your cheap one-sided membrane box.

Marcin, what about your experiments with, now my English leaves me,
that device for kitchen, a vacuum sealer?
There you would have a membrane box, without any box but 100% membrane!
(and you could nail your whole collection on the walls!).

Buckleboo!
Martin

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From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes


On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:15:53 -0500, you wrote:

I find Ron Hartman's pricing very reasonable. Try to beat that by buying
from the source in Europe and having them shipped to the US.


The prices are reasonable-- if you are displaying pieces worth a sizable
multiple of the price of the membrane box.  For instance, a $800 lunar in a
$2
membrane box is no big deal.  I tend to collect micromounts, both for
economic
and for space reasons.  I thought about putting all of mine into membrane
boxes,
but I just could not justify paying the price per membrane box when you
could
get a gem jar of about the same size for a small fraction of the price.  The
gem
jars are about the same size, about the same amount of material, and about
the
same complexity to manufacture, but because only one company is making the
membrane boxes, there is no competition for them, and therefore inflated,
monopoly prices.  You can't tell me that stretching that membrane across the
plastic is so much more difficult than sticking a piece of round foam in a
jar
that it costs 3-4 times as much to make?  I only go with a membrane box for
the
pieces with great interest on both size.  My other micro pieces go into gem
jars.  Also, I have one of the boxes like this one, and am really annoyed by
the
mold mark in the middle of it-- exactly where a mold mark should NOT be on a
display case:  http://home.earthlink.net/~capricorn89/box23.jpg (irrelevant
side
note-- I worked in a plastics plant running injection molding machines one
summer during school, some of the machines the size of rooms.  It gives an
interesting perspecitive on how plastic objects are made).
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Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[Greg Hupe]

Well said, my friend.
Greg

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Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 5:17 PM
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Huh, where is the problem?
Hartman is taking for 100 microboxes 1.3$ each.
Seen the weak $, they cost here in Europe quite the same.
Don't tell me that you collect only 1$-pieces!

Wouldn't you make photos of those persons you love, because the albums to
keep the photos are to expensive?

For large pieces Andi Gren recommends you to take transparent plastic 
boxes,

to span some cling film (but not the thinnest quality) over the open side
and to fix it with Scotch tape,
ready is your cheap one-sided membrane box.

Marcin, what about your experiments with, now my English leaves me,
that device for kitchen, a vacuum sealer?
There you would have a membrane box, without any box but 100% membrane!
(and you could nail your whole collection on the walls!).

Buckleboo!
Martin

(Sniff the Buckleboo farm has no sign)


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From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes


On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:15:53 -0500, you wrote:


I find Ron Hartman's pricing very reasonable. Try to beat that by buying
from the source in Europe and having them shipped to the US.



The prices are reasonable-- if you are displaying pieces worth a sizable
multiple of the price of the membrane box.  For instance, a $800 lunar in 
a

$2
membrane box is no big deal.  I tend to collect micromounts, both for
economic
and for space reasons.  I thought about putting all of mine into membrane
boxes,
but I just could not justify paying the price per membrane box when you
could
get a gem jar of about the same size for a small fraction of the price. 
The

gem
jars are about the same size, about the same amount of material, and about
the
same complexity to manufacture, but because only one company is making the
membrane boxes, there is no competition for them, and therefore inflated,
monopoly prices.  You can't tell me that stretching that membrane across 
the

plastic is so much more difficult than sticking a piece of round foam in a
jar
that it costs 3-4 times as much to make?  I only go with a membrane box 
for

the
pieces with great interest on both size.  My other micro pieces go into 
gem
jars.  Also, I have one of the boxes like this one, and am really annoyed 
by

the
mold mark in the middle of it-- exactly where a mold mark should NOT be on 
a
display case:  http://home.earthlink.net/~capricorn89/box23.jpg 
(irrelevant

side
note-- I worked in a plastics plant running injection molding machines one
summer during school, some of the machines the size of rooms.  It gives an
interesting perspecitive on how plastic objects are made).
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Re: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[Darren Garrison]

On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:17:54 +0100, you wrote:

Huh, where is the problem?
Hartman is taking for 100 microboxes 1.3$ each.

Meanwhile, I can buy gem jars for around 20 cents each.  It's a matter of scale.
I wouldn't worry about a $1 difference in price for something that cost $1000,
or $100.  But at $10, it starts to be a factor, and the difference between
something that cost $1.30 and something that cost $0.20 and serves virtually the
same purpose IS going to make a difference in my opinion.  I'm not judging the
price that the reseller has to charge, I'm judging the price the manufacturer
charges.  With gem jars, you have something that costs a few cents to make and
sells for around 20 cents.  With membrane boxes, you have something that costs a
few cents to make and sells for over a dollar.  That's my point-- price gouging
by a monopoly single source.


Wouldn't you make photos of those persons you love, because the albums to
keep the photos are to expensive?

Not a good analogy.  A better one is, would I buy a frame for the picture from
company X at one price, or buy a frame made from the virtually the same amount
of virtually the same materials a different company for 5 or 6 times the price.
You might do that.  I wouldn't.  (And I haven't made a film-based photo in over
3 years-- I've taken maybe 15,000 with my digital camera since then, and at
least 90 percent of them have never seen paper).
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Re: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[Martin Altmann]

Hi Darren,

as far as I know, membrane boxes were developped for the use of savely
keeping the products of dental labs and were never intended to serve as
display boxes for us few crazy meteoriticists.

So you are comparing apples with oranges.

Perhaps it's cheaper to produce gem jars, perhaps membrane boxes have high
piece costs, cause there are less quantities produced.

I could imagine that a membrane box is somewhat more difficult to produce as
the membranes are thin and will teat appart more easy than the massive
plastic gem jars.

Membrane boxes are quite special and there exist no cheaper producer, so I
can't help you, sorry.
Would have to look on my old computer, which is not working anymore. I'm
buying them from a firm called Schmelzer and all comparable cheap offerors
ask the same or more. And as told, with shipping to US, the weak USD and
with bad luck some tax at customs - it wouldn't be cheaper than those from
Hartman.
(or shall I look for offerors where they cost much more than at Hartman's
for feeling you better?)

Meow.
Martin






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From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes


On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:17:54 +0100, you wrote:

Huh, where is the problem?
Hartman is taking for 100 microboxes 1.3$ each.

Meanwhile, I can buy gem jars for around 20 cents each.  It's a matter of
scale.
I wouldn't worry about a $1 difference in price for something that cost
$1000,
or $100.  But at $10, it starts to be a factor, and the difference between
something that cost $1.30 and something that cost $0.20 and serves virtually
the
same purpose IS going to make a difference in my opinion.  I'm not judging
the
price that the reseller has to charge, I'm judging the price the
manufacturer
charges.  With gem jars, you have something that costs a few cents to make
and
sells for around 20 cents.  With membrane boxes, you have something that
costs a
few cents to make and sells for over a dollar.  That's my point-- price
gouging
by a monopoly single source.


Wouldn't you make photos of those persons you love, because the albums to
keep the photos are to expensive?

Not a good analogy.  A better one is, would I buy a frame for the picture
from
company X at one price, or buy a frame made from the virtually the same
amount
of virtually the same materials a different company for 5 or 6 times the
price.
You might do that.  I wouldn't.  (And I haven't made a film-based photo in
over
3 years-- I've taken maybe 15,000 with my digital camera since then, and at
least 90 percent of them have never seen paper).

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[Dave Carothers]

I think it all comes down to a matter of personal preference.

While I think all meteorites are beautiful, I have some meteorites that I
think are more beautiful than others.  Those that are extra special, are in
membrane boxes so I can better see the entire specimen.  Some of these
meteorites are VERY inexpensive and others not.  The actual cost of the
meteorite is not a consideration so much as the actual beauty of the
specimen and the ability to see it.

For what it is worth.  my $0.02

Dave

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On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:17:54 +0100, you wrote:

Huh, where is the problem?
Hartman is taking for 100 microboxes 1.3$ each.

Meanwhile, I can buy gem jars for around 20 cents each.  It's a matter of
scale.
I wouldn't worry about a $1 difference in price for something that cost
$1000,
or $100.  But at $10, it starts to be a factor, and the difference between
something that cost $1.30 and something that cost $0.20 and serves virtually
the
same purpose IS going to make a difference in my opinion.  I'm not judging
the
price that the reseller has to charge, I'm judging the price the
manufacturer
charges.  With gem jars, you have something that costs a few cents to make
and
sells for around 20 cents.  With membrane boxes, you have something that
costs a
few cents to make and sells for over a dollar.  That's my point-- price
gouging
by a monopoly single source.


Wouldn't you make photos of those persons you love, because the albums to
keep the photos are to expensive?

Not a good analogy.  A better one is, would I buy a frame for the picture
from
company X at one price, or buy a frame made from the virtually the same
amount
of virtually the same materials a different company for 5 or 6 times the
price.
You might do that.  I wouldn't.  (And I haven't made a film-based photo in
over
3 years-- I've taken maybe 15,000 with my digital camera since then, and at
least 90 percent of them have never seen paper).
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Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[MexicoDoug]

Darren G. writes:

 I'm judging the price the manufacturer
 charges.  With gem jars, you have something that costs a few cents to make 
and
 sells for around 20 cents.  With membrane boxes, you have something that 
costs a
 few cents to make and sells for over a dollar.  That's my point-- price 
gouging
 by a monopoly single source. 

Hola Darren,

Of course I agree with your logic, but come to a different conclusion.

Let's say a manufacturer makes 100,000 gem jars at direct material and energy 
costs of $0.03 each, has factory overhead of $3,000 and uses no QC as a 15% 
off spec product is acceptable at that price.  Plus shipping is $400 to get to 
points of sale.
That's a cost of $0.064 each (46% gross margin), and it is sold to the 
distributor at $0.12, who in turn deals with folks like us at only $0.20 each 
(getting a 60% gross margin).

Now Eurobrane enterprises says, what crap.  It works, but there must be a 
premiummarketout there we will give them antigravity, nearly sealed protection 
from the atmosphere.  But make only 10,000 'brane jars at a direct material and 
energy cost of $0.05 each plus a factory overhead of $3,000 and a QC and 
higher off spec scrap rate of 50% to reflect the laminating difficulties and 
avoidance of bubbles, and better packing protection requirements, together 
being at 
least $2,000.  Plus $400 in shipping to points of sale (smaller quantity 
offset by better packaging and care and lower volume).  That's $0.49 each.  A 
gross 
margin of 46% gives $0.90 wholesale price and a 60% retail gross margin gives 
$2.25 a piece.

Either we're getting a good deal or Henry Ford and Joseph Wharton need to put 
a 'brane jar in everyone's pot of chicken.

Saludos, Doug

We could, of corse, drop the QC requirements to lower cost.  But then, gem 
jars really would be a comparable competitor.  So brane sales would drop even 
further and the fixed costs would jump up even more...

So why don't you go to China and convince them to make this volume since 
every mineral dealer selling fragments for $1.00 a piece now can pay $0.37 a 
piece 
and have brane jars, even though it will now cost them as much as the gem 
in it now.  Maybe they will all agree and say, yes, we'll all switch and not 
use the cheap gem jars any more for the public good.  Now brane jars and gem 
jars will cost the same and we will love you but the mineral contingent will 
set 
your feet in cement boots and give you a free dip in the watering hole...:) :) 
:)

Saludos, Doug

except $3000 for QC and off spec materials, for the run and employees no one 
to do quality control as $
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Re: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[Martin Altmann]

Right!

I know an collector, who spend most probably a higher amount on the displays
than on his collection.
An NWA 869 enthusiast.
Made some illuminated display cabinets, with asteroid photos in the back,
decorated a real strewnfield with desert landscape, sand and unclassified
chondrites.
Crafted special stands ect.
Looks better than anything I saw in a public exhibition
and the expenses were well worth as they give the pieces the right glamour!

Not to forget, that to a good collection also some good books are
incumbement to a collector,
as with the knowledge about a specimen the value for oneself is growing.

So don't spend all you budget for stones only!

Same in amateur astronomy, the largest telescope is useless without a proper
mount.

Buckleboo!
Martin


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From: Dave Carothers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:23 AM
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 I think it all comes down to a matter of personal preference.

 While I think all meteorites are beautiful, I have some meteorites that I
 think are more beautiful than others.  Those that are extra special, are
in
 membrane boxes so I can better see the entire specimen.  Some of these
 meteorites are VERY inexpensive and others not.  The actual cost of the
 meteorite is not a consideration so much as the actual beauty of the
 specimen and the ability to see it.

 For what it is worth.  my $0.02

 Dave

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 From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 6:09 PM
 Subject: Re: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes


 On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:17:54 +0100, you wrote:

 Huh, where is the problem?
 Hartman is taking for 100 microboxes 1.3$ each.

 Meanwhile, I can buy gem jars for around 20 cents each.  It's a matter of
 scale.
 I wouldn't worry about a $1 difference in price for something that cost
 $1000,
 or $100.  But at $10, it starts to be a factor, and the difference between
 something that cost $1.30 and something that cost $0.20 and serves
virtually
 the
 same purpose IS going to make a difference in my opinion.  I'm not judging
 the
 price that the reseller has to charge, I'm judging the price the
 manufacturer
 charges.  With gem jars, you have something that costs a few cents to make
 and
 sells for around 20 cents.  With membrane boxes, you have something that
 costs a
 few cents to make and sells for over a dollar.  That's my point-- price
 gouging
 by a monopoly single source.

 
 Wouldn't you make photos of those persons you love, because the albums to
 keep the photos are to expensive?

 Not a good analogy.  A better one is, would I buy a frame for the picture
 from
 company X at one price, or buy a frame made from the virtually the same
 amount
 of virtually the same materials a different company for 5 or 6 times the
 price.
 You might do that.  I wouldn't.  (And I haven't made a film-based photo in
 over
 3 years-- I've taken maybe 15,000 with my digital camera since then, and
at
 least 90 percent of them have never seen paper).
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Re: Re: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[Darren Garrison]

On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:23:09 -0500, you wrote:

I think it all comes down to a matter of personal preference.

While I think all meteorites are beautiful, I have some meteorites that I
think are more beautiful than others.  Those that are extra special, are in
membrane boxes so I can better see the entire specimen.  Some of these
meteorites are VERY inexpensive and others not.  The actual cost of the
meteorite is not a consideration so much as the actual beauty of the
specimen and the ability to see it.


Yeah, I mentioned that earlier-- most of my pieces in that size range are in gem
jars, but a few are in membrane boxes when they look too good on both sides for
me to pick just one.  And most of my larger ones that will fit are in Riker
boxes or those 2x2 plastic boxes instead of a membrane box of the similar size.
But a select few do go in membrane boxes.  For instance, this 869, with amazing
brecciation on one side and nice flow lines on the other, is mounted in one of
the (I think) 100x50 mm boxes.  But for the most part, I'm not willing to pay
the hundreds of percent price premium (but if the prices were nearly equal to
the competition, I'd buy membrane boxes exclusively).  

http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=872981Start=19Artist=cynapseByArtist=Yes

It is a matter of philosopy, I suppose.  Some are looking at the prices in
absolute terms of it's only a dollar but I'm looking at the relative terms of
the price of x verses y.  At any price scale, there's got to be a good reason
for me to pay more than a few percent more for one item of the same general type
than the other.
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[Greg Hupe]

If price is such a big deal, keep your collection in Zip Lock bags...Don't 
forget the moisture absorbent pads!


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Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[Michael L Blood]

Hi Darren,
Would you please make these membrane boxes? I am sure everyone
on the list - and all of Christendom would be happy to give you 6 c each
for a 100% mark up and be happy to do so.
Sincerely, Michael Blood



on 2/11/06 3:09 PM, Darren Garrison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:17:54 +0100, you wrote:
 
 Huh, where is the problem?
 Hartman is taking for 100 microboxes 1.3$ each.
 
 Meanwhile, I can buy gem jars for around 20 cents each.  It's a matter of
 scale.
 I wouldn't worry about a $1 difference in price for something that cost $1000,
 or $100.  But at $10, it starts to be a factor, and the difference between
 something that cost $1.30 and something that cost $0.20 and serves virtually
 the
 same purpose IS going to make a difference in my opinion.  I'm not judging the
 price that the reseller has to charge, I'm judging the price the manufacturer
 charges.  With gem jars, you have something that costs a few cents to make and
 sells for around 20 cents.  With membrane boxes, you have something that costs
 a
 few cents to make and sells for over a dollar.  That's my point-- price
 gouging
 by a monopoly single source.
 
 
 Wouldn't you make photos of those persons you love, because the albums to
 keep the photos are to expensive?
 
 Not a good analogy.  A better one is, would I buy a frame for the picture from
 company X at one price, or buy a frame made from the virtually the same amount
 of virtually the same materials a different company for 5 or 6 times the
 price.
 You might do that.  I wouldn't.  (And I haven't made a film-based photo in
 over
 3 years-- I've taken maybe 15,000 with my digital camera since then, and at
 least 90 percent of them have never seen paper).
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Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[Darren Garrison]

On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:01:14 -0800, you wrote:

Hi Darren,
Would you please make these membrane boxes? I am sure everyone
on the list - and all of Christendom would be happy to give you 6 c each
for a 100% mark up and be happy to do so.

I probably could make them for that price-- if I already had an industrial press
and the steel molds.  I doubt that more than 6 cents worth of plastic goes into
them.  Which is my point-- anyone who already has the infrastructure to make
these things COULD make these things, CHEAP.  They are a very simple design,
using a small amount of plastic.  They are only slightly more complex than the
plastic packaging consumer goods are shipped in, or even the plastic capsules
that capsule machine toys come in (probably the same type of plastic, and
equally clear).  Going by the 38 mm sized ones, you could probably make 4 six
packs on a single, standard sized steel mold.  Maybe two minutes between molds
(just guessing).  So you could make 12 of them per minute per molding machine.
ANY plastics plant could make them.  But only one company is allowed to make
them.  Therefore, no competition.  No market pressure on their prices.  So they
can charge whatever rate they think the market can bare rather than fighting it
out with competitors.  Good for them.  Bad for us.  Words small enough?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[stan .]

i dont think many people complain about the small ones - but the 20 or 30$ 
ones really get me - especially since the plastic used scratches pretty darn 
easily. they should make the boxes out of the same stuff used for the 
security devices on DVDs.. that junk is indestrucable. sure a 30$ box used 
to house a 1 kg moon rock isnt that big a deal, but if you have a big 
collection with hundreds of pieces the size of the larger boxes thats 
thousands of $ worth of plastic that probably cost less than a value meal at 
mickie d's to make. plastic that will VERY quickly show the signs of wear 
and tear unless you stash all of your space rocks in a safe deposit box some 
place and only visit them once in a blue moon.



just my two cents...





From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Martin Altmann 
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Meteorite List 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:01:14 -0800

Hi Darren,
Would you please make these membrane boxes? I am sure everyone
on the list - and all of Christendom would be happy to give you 6 c each
for a 100% mark up and be happy to do so.
Sincerely, Michael Blood



on 2/11/06 3:09 PM, Darren Garrison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:17:54 +0100, you wrote:

 Huh, where is the problem?
 Hartman is taking for 100 microboxes 1.3$ each.

 Meanwhile, I can buy gem jars for around 20 cents each.  It's a matter 
of

 scale.
 I wouldn't worry about a $1 difference in price for something that cost 
$1000,
 or $100.  But at $10, it starts to be a factor, and the difference 
between
 something that cost $1.30 and something that cost $0.20 and serves 
virtually

 the
 same purpose IS going to make a difference in my opinion.  I'm not 
judging the
 price that the reseller has to charge, I'm judging the price the 
manufacturer
 charges.  With gem jars, you have something that costs a few cents to 
make and
 sells for around 20 cents.  With membrane boxes, you have something that 
costs

 a
 few cents to make and sells for over a dollar.  That's my point-- price
 gouging
 by a monopoly single source.


 Wouldn't you make photos of those persons you love, because the albums 
to

 keep the photos are to expensive?

 Not a good analogy.  A better one is, would I buy a frame for the 
picture from
 company X at one price, or buy a frame made from the virtually the same 
amount

 of virtually the same materials a different company for 5 or 6 times the
 price.
 You might do that.  I wouldn't.  (And I haven't made a film-based photo 
in

 over
 3 years-- I've taken maybe 15,000 with my digital camera since then, and 
at

 least 90 percent of them have never seen paper).
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Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[Martin Horejsi]

Martin sadly wrote:

 (Sniff the Buckleboo farm has no sign)

I guess I could make a link to this pic for you if that would help.

http://www.buckleboo.com/buckleboo/photos/road.jpg

Martin
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Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Membrane Boxes

[Gerald Flaherty]

Excellent reasoning from my point of view, Darren.
Jerry
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:15:53 -0500, you wrote:


I find Ron Hartman's pricing very reasonable. Try to beat that by buying
from the source in Europe and having them shipped to the US.



The prices are reasonable-- if you are displaying pieces worth a sizable
multiple of the price of the membrane box.  For instance, a $800 lunar in a 
$2
membrane box is no big deal.  I tend to collect micromounts, both for 
economic
and for space reasons.  I thought about putting all of mine into membrane 
boxes,
but I just could not justify paying the price per membrane box when you 
could
get a gem jar of about the same size for a small fraction of the price.  The 
gem
jars are about the same size, about the same amount of material, and about 
the

same complexity to manufacture, but because only one company is making the
membrane boxes, there is no competition for them, and therefore inflated,
monopoly prices.  You can't tell me that stretching that membrane across the
plastic is so much more difficult than sticking a piece of round foam in a 
jar
that it costs 3-4 times as much to make?  I only go with a membrane box for 
the

pieces with great interest on both size.  My other micro pieces go into gem
jars.  Also, I have one of the boxes like this one, and am really annoyed by 
the

mold mark in the middle of it-- exactly where a mold mark should NOT be on a
display case:  http://home.earthlink.net/~capricorn89/box23.jpg (irrelevant 
side

note-- I worked in a plastics plant running injection molding machines one
summer during school, some of the machines the size of rooms.  It gives an
interesting perspecitive on how plastic objects are made).
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