Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites
The definition in the Nomenclature Committee guidelines is this: All meteorites found, reported to be found, or purchased in Morocco and adjacent parts of the surrounding countries. Surrounding countries has been interpreted to mean the adjacent countries (Western Sahara and Algeria), and the nearby, northern regions of Mauritania and Mali. More distant countries like Tunisia and Niger are not included, if we know that they are the source regions. Two meteorites once did slip through the cracks, however: NWA 1241 and 1242 were both supposedly found in Libya. Jeff On 5/27/2011 8:24 AM, Peter Scherff wrote: Hi, What countries do NWA meteorites come from? The countries that I see listed in the Meteoritical Bulletin are: Algeria, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco Western Sahara. Are there other official countries? How about unofficial ones, where you know or suspect that a meteorite found in another country was said to have been purchased or found in an official NWA country. What do you know or suspect? Thanks, Peter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
LOL. Now that is funny. What on Earth possessed a person to...nevermind. LOL On 9/2/10, Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net wrote: The correlation between cured pork products and meteorites is undeniable Richard. Consider this fine ham: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200514554515 Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net To: Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? I'm considering extensive photograghs of my local deli meat section...awesome breccias and crust on the turkey, then some very considerable crust on the ham. The veining in the ham sort of flies in the face of any further debate of such terrestrial history, althought the brecciated turkey may in fact spark a lively discussion. But please, before isotope analyisis is called for the resultant impactors, let's consider the need. I, for one, will go with whatever conclusion we commonly have, notwithstanding any anomalies, which, of course, we need not go into at this point. - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Funny you mention cheese Martin. One of my self imposed edicts for buying is: If the meteorite costs less per pound than filet mignon...skip dinner and buy the stone. Perhaps we should combine ideologies and use the cheesesteak as a model http://www.greatwraps.com/Philly-cheesesteaks.jpg Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hi Shawn, I meant it totally seriously. Even I handling daily meteorites, and probably because of my simple mind, have to do such visualizations from time to time, and I wanted to express only, that for many if not most collectors (incl. researchers),it really doesn't matter that much, whether a meteorite is found in Sahara, Antarctica, USA or Burundi. The meteorites from Sahara and especially the NWA are, were and will have been always the most important source of meteoritic material of all times. As that collecting hobby is about meteorites, why one shouldn't collect them too? You know, meteorites can tell to the collectors two stories. One story is their Earthly story. Their story how they felt, who owned them before, sometimes some curious circumstances how they were found or how they felt, who has parts of them, in which museums are parts of them, in how many books was written something about them, were some scientific recoveries made for the first time on them... etc. This story is interesting for the collector, who likes historic meteorites or pedigree specimens most. The other story is, what they have to tell us about the worlds out there, the solar system, how sun, planets, Earth, life has formed. For this story there it isn't important whether the stone bears a name or a NWA-number. Those meteorites are interesting for collectors with a fascination more for space, science, the material itself. I'd say, from my experience most collectors collect both kinds of meteorites. You're 8 months around - meteorite collecting exist for 200 years now. (old timers - guess I am a kind of, 30 years ago I purchased my first one). When I was young, pretty and full of hopes, I had the permanent choice of only 300 different meteorites/locations. Most of them very laborious to get into the collection, most of them available and/or affordable only in bogey-sizes. Those roadbed-style chondrites, which you as collector get now from NWA-wonderland ad libitum, they came at my times from Texas, Kansas, New Mexico.. and they had cost not 30 nor 50$ but 1000 or 2000$ a kg. Go just 10 years back. Something like a howardite, which you find sometimes here offered on the list or on ebay at 5$/g - the people had to pay 400$ a gram for it. And you had from the rare types almost nothing to choose from. Acapulcoite? You're choice was simple. Monument Draw or Acapulco. One 800$, the other 1200$/g - and not 30$. NWA enabled me, that today I can have in my cupboard the complete asteroid belt, as far as it is known today. All types of rocks, all types of asteroids
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
That is Soow Ed - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net To: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? The correlation between cured pork products and meteorites is undeniable Richard. Consider this fine ham: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200514554515 Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net To: Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? I'm considering extensive photograghs of my local deli meat section...awesome breccias and crust on the turkey, then some very considerable crust on the ham. The veining in the ham sort of flies in the face of any further debate of such terrestrial history, althought the brecciated turkey may in fact spark a lively discussion. But please, before isotope analyisis is called for the resultant impactors, let's consider the need. I, for one, will go with whatever conclusion we commonly have, notwithstanding any anomalies, which, of course, we need not go into at this point. - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Funny you mention cheese Martin. One of my self imposed edicts for buying is: If the meteorite costs less per pound than filet mignon...skip dinner and buy the stone. Perhaps we should combine ideologies and use the cheesesteak as a model http://www.greatwraps.com/Philly-cheesesteaks.jpg Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hi Shawn, I meant it totally seriously. Even I handling daily meteorites, and probably because of my simple mind, have to do such visualizations from time to time, and I wanted to express only, that for many if not most collectors (incl. researchers),it really doesn't matter that much, whether a meteorite is found in Sahara, Antarctica, USA or Burundi. The meteorites from Sahara and especially the NWA are, were and will have been always the most important source of meteoritic material of all times. As that collecting hobby is about meteorites, why one shouldn't collect them too? You know, meteorites can tell to the collectors two stories. One story is their Earthly story. Their story how they felt, who owned them before, sometimes some curious circumstances how they were found or how they felt, who has parts of them, in which museums are parts of them, in how many books was written something about them, were some scientific recoveries made for the first time on them... etc. This story is interesting for the collector, who likes historic meteorites or pedigree specimens most. The other story is, what they have to tell us about the worlds out there, the solar system, how sun, planets, Earth, life has formed. For this story there it isn't important whether the stone bears a name or a NWA-number. Those meteorites are interesting for collectors with a fascination more for space, science, the material itself. I'd say, from my experience most collectors collect both kinds of meteorites. You're 8 months around - meteorite collecting exist for 200 years now. (old timers - guess I am a kind of, 30 years ago I purchased my first one). When I was young, pretty and full of hopes, I had the permanent choice of only 300 different meteorites/locations. Most of them very laborious to get into the collection, most of them available and/or affordable only in bogey-sizes. Those roadbed-style chondrites, which you as collector get now from NWA-wonderland ad libitum, they came at my times from Texas, Kansas, New Mexico.. and they had cost not 30 nor 50$ but 1000 or 2000$ a kg. Go just 10 years back. Something like a howardite, which you find sometimes here offered on the list or on ebay at 5$/g - the people had to pay 400$ a gram for it. And you had from the rare types almost nothing to choose from. Acapulcoite? You're choice was simple. Monument Draw or Acapulco. One 800$, the other 1200$/g - and not 30$. NWA enabled me
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
Hi Shawn, Am in a hurry, Only some quick points.. I wonder why some institutions don't except NWA meteorites anymore to be analyzed? No, I never heard of a classifying lab, which refused to analyze a meteorite, because it was an NWA. It happens, that weathered chondrites, hence the bulk of meteorites from Sahara, aren't accepted. But only, because the labs are completely overloaded with meteorites waiting to be classified. You must see, that before the hot desert rush, aside Antarctica, all labs together around the world had to classify per year not more than 30-50 new finds or so. Nowadays a single meteoriticist, if he's very active, classifies alone up to 200 stones a year. And if one would want to classify all NWAs, hence also the bulk of ordinary chondrites, one would have to make many thousands per year. Thus, there are not enough free capacities. That's the only reason. That then the researchers rather like to analyze the scientifically more thrilling types, the rare ones and the exotics, is understandable, cause they are more interesting and the chance to recover something unusual or even new is much higher, than to work on the 3000th H5, W3s and 2000th L6,W4s - and the ordinary chondrites all in all are meanwhile of course well researched, simply because they were all the centuries the most predominant group of finds. And finally a classification costs money. Thin sections cost 100$, a trained scientist to do the analyses let's say 100$/hour, the equipment isn't that cheap, a microprobe for instance costs 1-2 million $, the measuring hour 200$, if used So it's reasonable to give the preference to the more rare types, if the resources are limited. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Shawn Alan Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. September 2010 07:51 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hello Martin and Listers, Thank you Martin for your post and the cheese bit. It got me to thinking and when I got out of the gym tonight, I had to buy some parmesan cheese. I love that stuff. I put it on everything, when I can afford it. But for some reason, cheese in NYC seems over priced, lets hope this doesn't happen with meteorites :) cause I will go broke with collecting every meteorite out there Just kidding, I have my select few meteorites that I collect, and from what I can tell, location, location, location plays a big role in the collecting side to the science side of meteorites. Perfect example, The first Lunar meteorite discovered outside of Antarctica, Calcalong Creek from Australia, by Robert Haag. From what I have read, a gram of that meteorite was selling for about $40,000. And now the race is on for the first person to discover the first Lunar meteorite in the US. And Martin you say location doesn't really matter, but it does, even on a scientific level. Now I bet if a scientist didn't know where the meteorite came from it would be harder for them to analyze the stone because of contamination which they didn't know about from where the meteorite came from. Or when it comes to field work, when people are looking over the strewn field they can predict how big the meteorite was, what angle it came in at, because of the useful information collected by people in the field. These elements are just as important in meterotic science as the meteorite its self. Almahata Sitta is a great example of how the location of the meteorite was just as important as the meteorite. Almahata Sitta is made up of many different meteorite classifications. Now if scientists didn't have the ability to document the location of the meteorite fall and just said here are some meteorites but we don't have the location cause that doesn't matter I wonder where we would be at with the many discoveries with the Almahata Sitta meteorite and countless other meteroites? Now you see how location can be the best for both worlds. I wonder why some institutions don't except NWA meteorites anymore to be analyzed? Is that because they are from NWA and nothing more, or is it that there isn't any regulation of how they are collected, or is that they cost too much money cause they are rare? I might have an idea why some institutions wont touch them but it really doesn't matter what I say but the fact of the matter is location might be the factor or the lack there of of why some institutions don't touch NWA's. Martin, you made a good point about how people collect. Some collect for the history side and others collect from the science side. I collect with both sides in mind. I think all the factors can play a great role in ones collection and how this collection can be of value from a scientific side, to a collectors side. I collect NWA's all the way to historic falls. But at the end of the day I want to know where my meteorites came
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
I'm considering extensive photograghs of my local deli meat section...awesome breccias and crust on the turkey, then some very considerable crust on the ham. The veining in the ham sort of flies in the face of any further debate of such terrestrial history, althought the brecciated turkey may in fact spark a lively discussion. But please, before isotope analyisis is called for the resultant impactors, let's consider the need. I, for one, will go with whatever conclusion we commonly have, notwithstanding any anomalies, which, of course, we need not go into at this point. - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Funny you mention cheese Martin. One of my self imposed edicts for buying is: If the meteorite costs less per pound than filet mignon...skip dinner and buy the stone. Perhaps we should combine ideologies and use the cheesesteak as a model http://www.greatwraps.com/Philly-cheesesteaks.jpg Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hi Shawn, I meant it totally seriously. Even I handling daily meteorites, and probably because of my simple mind, have to do such visualizations from time to time, and I wanted to express only, that for many if not most collectors (incl. researchers),it really doesn't matter that much, whether a meteorite is found in Sahara, Antarctica, USA or Burundi. The meteorites from Sahara and especially the NWA are, were and will have been always the most important source of meteoritic material of all times. As that collecting hobby is about meteorites, why one shouldn't collect them too? You know, meteorites can tell to the collectors two stories. One story is their Earthly story. Their story how they felt, who owned them before, sometimes some curious circumstances how they were found or how they felt, who has parts of them, in which museums are parts of them, in how many books was written something about them, were some scientific recoveries made for the first time on them... etc. This story is interesting for the collector, who likes historic meteorites or pedigree specimens most. The other story is, what they have to tell us about the worlds out there, the solar system, how sun, planets, Earth, life has formed. For this story there it isn't important whether the stone bears a name or a NWA-number. Those meteorites are interesting for collectors with a fascination more for space, science, the material itself. I'd say, from my experience most collectors collect both kinds of meteorites. You're 8 months around - meteorite collecting exist for 200 years now. (old timers - guess I am a kind of, 30 years ago I purchased my first one). When I was young, pretty and full of hopes, I had the permanent choice of only 300 different meteorites/locations. Most of them very laborious to get into the collection, most of them available and/or affordable only in bogey-sizes. Those roadbed-style chondrites, which you as collector get now from NWA-wonderland ad libitum, they came at my times from Texas, Kansas, New Mexico.. and they had cost not 30 nor 50$ but 1000 or 2000$ a kg. Go just 10 years back. Something like a howardite, which you find sometimes here offered on the list or on ebay at 5$/g - the people had to pay 400$ a gram for it. And you had from the rare types almost nothing to choose from. Acapulcoite? You're choice was simple. Monument Draw or Acapulco. One 800$, the other 1200$/g - and not 30$. NWA enabled me, that today I can have in my cupboard the complete asteroid belt, as far as it is known today. All types of rocks, all types of asteroids. And now I can choose, even within the different classes, (sometimes even within the parent body!) as rare as they might be. Now I can afford it! And I can afford it in sizes, that I don't need any longer a magnifier and a lot of fantasy to imagine, that the pinpoint of speck really could be a piece of the meteorite, I only know from books. I even can collect now meteorite types, which weren't known to exist before. Yes, Shawn, I even can have in my collection a variety of different rocks from Planet Mars! And I don't have to sell home and hearth anymore for getting a fingernail-sized piece of that in my hands, what the heroes of my childhood Armstrong, Aldrin, Collins brought back from up there! Now Jane John and everyone can afford a small piece of Moon. Indeed Shawn, when I was in Tucson, the kilogram of cheese (and I mean cheese, that kind
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
The correlation between cured pork products and meteorites is undeniable Richard. Consider this fine ham: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200514554515 Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net To: Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? I'm considering extensive photograghs of my local deli meat section...awesome breccias and crust on the turkey, then some very considerable crust on the ham. The veining in the ham sort of flies in the face of any further debate of such terrestrial history, althought the brecciated turkey may in fact spark a lively discussion. But please, before isotope analyisis is called for the resultant impactors, let's consider the need. I, for one, will go with whatever conclusion we commonly have, notwithstanding any anomalies, which, of course, we need not go into at this point. - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Funny you mention cheese Martin. One of my self imposed edicts for buying is: If the meteorite costs less per pound than filet mignon...skip dinner and buy the stone. Perhaps we should combine ideologies and use the cheesesteak as a model http://www.greatwraps.com/Philly-cheesesteaks.jpg Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hi Shawn, I meant it totally seriously. Even I handling daily meteorites, and probably because of my simple mind, have to do such visualizations from time to time, and I wanted to express only, that for many if not most collectors (incl. researchers),it really doesn't matter that much, whether a meteorite is found in Sahara, Antarctica, USA or Burundi. The meteorites from Sahara and especially the NWA are, were and will have been always the most important source of meteoritic material of all times. As that collecting hobby is about meteorites, why one shouldn't collect them too? You know, meteorites can tell to the collectors two stories. One story is their Earthly story. Their story how they felt, who owned them before, sometimes some curious circumstances how they were found or how they felt, who has parts of them, in which museums are parts of them, in how many books was written something about them, were some scientific recoveries made for the first time on them... etc. This story is interesting for the collector, who likes historic meteorites or pedigree specimens most. The other story is, what they have to tell us about the worlds out there, the solar system, how sun, planets, Earth, life has formed. For this story there it isn't important whether the stone bears a name or a NWA-number. Those meteorites are interesting for collectors with a fascination more for space, science, the material itself. I'd say, from my experience most collectors collect both kinds of meteorites. You're 8 months around - meteorite collecting exist for 200 years now. (old timers - guess I am a kind of, 30 years ago I purchased my first one). When I was young, pretty and full of hopes, I had the permanent choice of only 300 different meteorites/locations. Most of them very laborious to get into the collection, most of them available and/or affordable only in bogey-sizes. Those roadbed-style chondrites, which you as collector get now from NWA-wonderland ad libitum, they came at my times from Texas, Kansas, New Mexico.. and they had cost not 30 nor 50$ but 1000 or 2000$ a kg. Go just 10 years back. Something like a howardite, which you find sometimes here offered on the list or on ebay at 5$/g - the people had to pay 400$ a gram for it. And you had from the rare types almost nothing to choose from. Acapulcoite? You're choice was simple. Monument Draw or Acapulco. One 800$, the other 1200$/g - and not 30$. NWA enabled me, that today I can have in my cupboard the complete asteroid belt, as far as it is known today. All types of rocks, all types of asteroids. And now I can choose, even within the different classes, (sometimes even within the parent body!) as rare as they might be. Now I can afford it! And I can afford it in sizes, that I don't need any longer a magnifier and a lot
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Hi Shawn, I think, you can answer some of your questions by yourself. Outstretch your arm. On your extended arm look on the tip of your little finger. The finger nail of your pinky is the Earth. Imagine, your room has no walls - or go in the garden. 250 yards away from your fingernail, that's where the meteorites come from. So it's possibly not so important, where exactly on your fingernail they will hit. ...and as strained you'll squint your eyes, it's impossible to match a Shawn, a Mike, an Aziz, a Martin, a Bevan... on your nail :-) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Shawn Alan Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. August 2010 03:25 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hello Listers, I was doing an Internet search today on meteorites and came across a write up about NWA meteorites. I would have to say it was a good write up considering there isn't much about the history of NWA's on the Internet. The write up covered topics from the NWA gold rush, to how this affected sales and peoples desert meteorite collections, and how NWA meteorites by some can be seen as inferior to other meteorites. All these points do bring up some interesting view points in the meteorite community. I wonder what peoples take is on NWA meteorites and how the classification works or doesn't work with some finds? Why I ask this is because some of the NWA meteorites on eBay are NWA xxx meteorites, meaning those meteorites haven't been classified and probably wont. Now to me for every NWA meteorite excluding the Lunar and Martian meteorites could be almost unique in its owe if there is only a select few people that get these stones classified, making the NWA meteorite market confusing and regulated by only classifying certain meteorites and disregarding others. And as for selling NWA meteorites how does one determine the price point when the TKW and location is unknown? Is it to be or not to be when collecting NWA meteorites. this draw back could affect the classification and make it more confusing compared to finds in the US and Europe. If I went to the Muffin strewn field and found some meteorites, I wouldn't have to get them classified because of the documentation of a fall being there. But on the other hand, if I went to Africa and found some meteorites I would be SOL and the only way I could know what the meteorite was is if I got it classified, which I am not sure how much that costs, but I bet it can be a pretty penny depending what your getting done on it. Now could this be a problem in some peoples eyes why they think NWA's might be questionable because locations cant be accountable? And from a collectors stand point what features does one collect NWA's? From my take it seems like that some NWA meteorite are unique in its own way by rarity or uniqueness cause of lack there of, and because of the way NWA's are collected, cant this affecting price point and investment for ones collection? Here is an abstract from the write up about NWA's NWAs: Second Class Meteorites? By Norbert Classen, May 2003 On the collector's market, the prices of most Northwest African meteorites are still dropping while witnessed falls and historic specimens are getting more expensive. Are NWA meteorites less valuable, or is it a subliminal form of chauvinism making some people treat them like second class meteorites? The NWA Dilemma In the late 1990s, an increasing number of meteorites from the hot deserts of northwest Africa hit the market, most of them having been recovered by so-called nomads, i.e. by native people from Morocco and Western Sahara. After having acquired several meteorites at the local markets, the French fossil hunters, Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut, started to educate their local team not only to look for fossils, but also for meteorites - with great success. link http://www.meteorite.fr/en/news/feature.htm NWA, to be or not to be? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p 4340 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I think they will BE. As most scientists and knowledgeable collectors will tell you, a meteorite doesn't care where it lands. I think they will be greater appreciated when the economy gets better and there is very little left to argue about. They are not mere commodities as some would like you to think and they are not a readily renewable resource. I feel it was very fortunate for them to fall in Northwest Africa where the climate preserves them well and the world's best recovery team was there to collect them. The gold rush has been over for some time reaching its pinnacle a few years ago. It is time to find the next plateau, will it be the Mojave or Mexico? Happy Collecting. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Northern Mexico (were the deserts are) would be quite a dangerous place to hunt meteorites. --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 8:03:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? I think they will BE. As most scientists and knowledgeable collectors will tell you, a meteorite doesn't care where it lands. I think they will be greater appreciated when the economy gets better and there is very little left to argue about. They are not mere commodities as some would like you to think and they are not a readily renewable resource. I feel it was very fortunate for them to fall in Northwest Africa where the climate preserves them well and the world's best recovery team was there to collect them. The gold rush has been over for some time reaching its pinnacle a few years ago. It is time to find the next plateau, will it be the Mojave or Mexico? Happy Collecting. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Melanie, could you please explain to me/us European(s) in a bit more detail, why you think this is so down there in ole Mexico? On a sidenote: I heard and read from some European visitors of the latest Tucson show that people use(d) to walk around there with guns ´n weapons for their own protection. Is that just normal practice down South or elsewhere in the country? Well, nothing but just a question Alex Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Von: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca An: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com, Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Northern Mexico (were the deserts are) would be quite a dangerous place to hunt meteorites. --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 8:03:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? I think they will BE. As most scientists and knowledgeable collectors will tell you, a meteorite doesn't care where it lands. I think they will be greater appreciated when the economy gets better and there is very little left to argue about. They are not mere commodities as some would like you to think and they are not a readily renewable resource. I feel it was very fortunate for them to fall in Northwest Africa where the climate preserves them well and the world's best recovery team was there to collect them. The gold rush has been over for some time reaching its pinnacle a few years ago. It is time to find the next plateau, will it be the Mojave or Mexico? Happy Collecting. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Alex and List, I know this question was directed at Melanie, but I was just talking about this to another collector, so I will say what I told him. There is a vicious and violent drug-war going on right now between the Mexican government and members of various drug cartels. The cartels are very brutal and do not care for outsiders or bystanders. They will kidnap, torture and shoot anyone who crosses their path. It is very unsafe to go out into the countryside away from the heavily-policed tourist areas. Just recently a meteorite hunter went missing from the area near the Allende fall and has not been heard from since. Best regards, MikeG On 8/31/10, Alexander Seidel g...@gmx.net wrote: Hi Melanie, could you please explain to me/us European(s) in a bit more detail, why you think this is so down there in ole Mexico? On a sidenote: I heard and read from some European visitors of the latest Tucson show that people use(d) to walk around there with guns ´n weapons for their own protection. Is that just normal practice down South or elsewhere in the country? Well, nothing but just a question Alex Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Von: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca An: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com, Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Northern Mexico (were the deserts are) would be quite a dangerous place to hunt meteorites. --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 8:03:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? I think they will BE. As most scientists and knowledgeable collectors will tell you, a meteorite doesn't care where it lands. I think they will be greater appreciated when the economy gets better and there is very little left to argue about. They are not mere commodities as some would like you to think and they are not a readily renewable resource. I feel it was very fortunate for them to fall in Northwest Africa where the climate preserves them well and the world's best recovery team was there to collect them. The gold rush has been over for some time reaching its pinnacle a few years ago. It is time to find the next plateau, will it be the Mojave or Mexico? Happy Collecting. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Thanks for filling me in, Mike. And yeah, it's quite unfortunate the situation down there,, and it's probably not going to change anytime in the near future... Cheers --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Alexander Seidel g...@gmx.net Cc: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 1:01:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hi Alex and List, I know this question was directed at Melanie, but I was just talking about this to another collector, so I will say what I told him. There is a vicious and violent drug-war going on right now between the Mexican government and members of various drug cartels. The cartels are very brutal and do not care for outsiders or bystanders. They will kidnap, torture and shoot anyone who crosses their path. It is very unsafe to go out into the countryside away from the heavily-policed tourist areas. Just recently a meteorite hunter went missing from the area near the Allende fall and has not been heard from since. Best regards, MikeG On 8/31/10, Alexander Seidel g...@gmx.net wrote: Hi Melanie, could you please explain to me/us European(s) in a bit more detail, why you think this is so down there in ole Mexico? On a sidenote: I heard and read from some European visitors of the latest Tucson show that people use(d) to walk around there with guns ´n weapons for their own protection. Is that just normal practice down South or elsewhere in the country? Well, nothing but just a question Alex Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Von: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca An: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com, Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Northern Mexico (were the deserts are) would be quite a dangerous place to hunt meteorites. --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 8:03:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? I think they will BE. As most scientists and knowledgeable collectors will tell you, a meteorite doesn't care where it lands. I think they will be greater appreciated when the economy gets better and there is very little left to argue about. They are not mere commodities as some would like you to think and they are not a readily renewable resource. I feel it was very fortunate for them to fall in Northwest Africa where the climate preserves them well and the world's best recovery team was there to collect them. The gold rush has been over for some time reaching its pinnacle a few years ago. It is time to find the next plateau, will it be the Mojave or Mexico? Happy Collecting. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I've spent a lot of time in Mexico. The best produce, fruits and veg, on the continent. It's kind of like the way the US was 50 years ago. People there won't settle for inferior goods like we do now. Never had a problem. I guess I don't watch the news enough. Safety is an issue in every corner of the world. Ask Mike Farmer about meteorite hunting in really dangerous places. Bill Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:58:58 -0700 From: miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca To: meteoritem...@gmail.com; g...@gmx.net CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Thanks for filling me in, Mike. And yeah, it's quite unfortunate the situation down there,, and it's probably not going to change anytime in the near future... Cheers --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Galactic Stone Ironworks To: Alexander Seidel Cc: Melanie Matthews ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 1:01:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hi Alex and List, I know this question was directed at Melanie, but I was just talking about this to another collector, so I will say what I told him. There is a vicious and violent drug-war going on right now between the Mexican government and members of various drug cartels. The cartels are very brutal and do not care for outsiders or bystanders. They will kidnap, torture and shoot anyone who crosses their path. It is very unsafe to go out into the countryside away from the heavily-policed tourist areas. Just recently a meteorite hunter went missing from the area near the Allende fall and has not been heard from since. Best regards, MikeG On 8/31/10, Alexander Seidel wrote: Hi Melanie, could you please explain to me/us European(s) in a bit more detail, why you think this is so down there in ole Mexico? On a sidenote: I heard and read from some European visitors of the latest Tucson show that people use(d) to walk around there with guns ´n weapons for their own protection. Is that just normal practice down South or elsewhere in the country? Well, nothing but just a question Alex Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Von: Melanie Matthews An: Adam Hupe , Adam Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Northern Mexico (were the deserts are) would be quite a dangerous place to hunt meteorites. --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Adam Hupe To: Adam Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 8:03:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? I think they will BE. As most scientists and knowledgeable collectors will tell you, a meteorite doesn't care where it lands. I think they will be greater appreciated when the economy gets better and there is very little left to argue about. They are not mere commodities as some would like you to think and they are not a readily renewable resource. I feel it was very fortunate for them to fall in Northwest Africa where the climate preserves them well and the world's best recovery team was there to collect them. The gold rush has been over for some time reaching its pinnacle a few years ago. It is time to find the next plateau, will it be the Mojave or Mexico? Happy Collecting. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list
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Hi Shawn and List, I am a proponent of NWA meteorites and private involvement in hunting for meteorites, and by extension also for laypeople collecting meteorites. But, I don't think anyone would say that the current methodology for removing these NWA meteorites is perfect. The current situation is far from ideal for science for the standpoint of find coordinates and mapping strewnfields. Frankly, it's a mess. Which is exactly why NonCom instituted the NWA catalogue system. The NWA system is meant to provide some kind of order to a very disorderly deluge of meteorites. Once the meteorites are catalogued, the scientists can study them until the proverbial cows come home, and slowly these NWA meteorites become paired and a more cohert picture of their Earthly lineage begins to emerge. But the same chaos that makes the NWA system necessary is also a boon to science because this flood of material has yielded an unprecedented bounty of planetaries, achondrites, and rare types for institutions, universities and museums. The majority of these institutions have never once sent a team into the deserts of NWA to hunt for meteorites. Beyond the mandated 20/20 type specimens, many scientists and museums have benefited from the generous donations of material by private individuals. So, no matter how pessimistic a person wants to be about the NWA meteorite situation, there is no denying that it has been beneficial to everyone involved. Ideally, every nomad and hunter would carry a GPS and log the coordinates of their finds for later submission to the Meteoritical Society. But this is not a realistic expectation given scarcity of electricity in the desert. As anyone who has spent extended periods in the desert will tell you, heat is not good for batteries. Devices that rely on batteries don't last as long in the desert and good luck finding a place to plug it in to charge the battery. Until some insane philanthropist donates 1000 solar-powered GPS units to the nomads, we cannot reasonably expect them to provide accurate find coordinates. (Perhaps some low-tech methods like the ancient mariners used?) As collectors, those of us who have enjoyed the bounty of Saharan gold rush are doubly blessed because the timing of this bounty coincided with the rise of the internet. When those two things converged, collection cabinets around the world swelled - for everyone. All of this would be a moot argument if there were teams of scientists tripping over each other in the desert looking for meteorites and private poachers were pilfering specimens from strewnfields the teams were mapping. But the vast majority of NWA meteorites would still be sitting in the desert if not for nomads bringing them out or private hunters locating them. These meteorites would be covered over by the marching dunes or completely terrestrialized over time. Sure, they would still be preserved for future generations of scientists to possibly find (or not find), but our current generation would never know them, and any benefits gained from their study would not be realized in our time. I am glad for NWA meteorites and thankful to the Moroccans for their efforts to bring these meteorites to the open market. What happens from that point onward is up to the dealers and collectors who will be their temporary caretakers - and it is up to us to treat the meteorites with respect and honor the science by putting knowledge before profit. Best regards, MikeG Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone On 8/31/10, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Martin and Listers, Wow I want what ever your taking and so does my fingers. Any whos thank you for sharing your thoughts Martin and telling me I can answer some of my questions myself. WOW I forgot that the List was a place to talk about meteorites and ask questions. My bad, I must be at the wrong Meteorite List I bet I got phished. Dang, I need a new virus protection program :)~ Back to NWA meteorites, I find it interesting that there isn't much write ups about them. So from a person that has only been around. mm lets say 8 months, I think it was a good time to say something about this topic and see what some of the old timers thought about NWA meteorites. And lastly I hope a meteorite doesn't care where it lands, but from a collectors stand point, we do care, and from a science stand point, they care as well, cause if they didn't then I wouldn't see why the need for strewn fields or coordinates of where the meteorites are recovered from. Shawn Alan IMCA1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340 [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Martin Altmann altmann at meteorite-martin.de Tue
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Alex wrote: could you please explain to me/us European(s) in a bit more detail, why you think this is so down there in ole Mexico? Here you go, Alex. This is just one border town. http://borderzine.com/2010/08/juarez-devastated-by-violence/ Chauncey __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Shawn, I meant it totally seriously. Even I handling daily meteorites, and probably because of my simple mind, have to do such visualizations from time to time, and I wanted to express only, that for many if not most collectors (incl. researchers),it really doesn't matter that much, whether a meteorite is found in Sahara, Antarctica, USA or Burundi. The meteorites from Sahara and especially the NWA are, were and will have been always the most important source of meteoritic material of all times. As that collecting hobby is about meteorites, why one shouldn't collect them too? You know, meteorites can tell to the collectors two stories. One story is their Earthly story. Their story how they felt, who owned them before, sometimes some curious circumstances how they were found or how they felt, who has parts of them, in which museums are parts of them, in how many books was written something about them, were some scientific recoveries made for the first time on them... etc. This story is interesting for the collector, who likes historic meteorites or pedigree specimens most. The other story is, what they have to tell us about the worlds out there, the solar system, how sun, planets, Earth, life has formed. For this story there it isn't important whether the stone bears a name or a NWA-number. Those meteorites are interesting for collectors with a fascination more for space, science, the material itself. I'd say, from my experience most collectors collect both kinds of meteorites. You're 8 months around - meteorite collecting exist for 200 years now. (old timers - guess I am a kind of, 30 years ago I purchased my first one). When I was young, pretty and full of hopes, I had the permanent choice of only 300 different meteorites/locations. Most of them very laborious to get into the collection, most of them available and/or affordable only in bogey-sizes. Those roadbed-style chondrites, which you as collector get now from NWA-wonderland ad libitum, they came at my times from Texas, Kansas, New Mexico.. and they had cost not 30 nor 50$ but 1000 or 2000$ a kg. Go just 10 years back. Something like a howardite, which you find sometimes here offered on the list or on ebay at 5$/g - the people had to pay 400$ a gram for it. And you had from the rare types almost nothing to choose from. Acapulcoite? You're choice was simple. Monument Draw or Acapulco. One 800$, the other 1200$/g - and not 30$. NWA enabled me, that today I can have in my cupboard the complete asteroid belt, as far as it is known today. All types of rocks, all types of asteroids. And now I can choose, even within the different classes, (sometimes even within the parent body!) as rare as they might be. Now I can afford it! And I can afford it in sizes, that I don't need any longer a magnifier and a lot of fantasy to imagine, that the pinpoint of speck really could be a piece of the meteorite, I only know from books. I even can collect now meteorite types, which weren't known to exist before. Yes, Shawn, I even can have in my collection a variety of different rocks from Planet Mars! And I don't have to sell home and hearth anymore for getting a fingernail-sized piece of that in my hands, what the heroes of my childhood Armstrong, Aldrin, Collins brought back from up there! Now Jane John and everyone can afford a small piece of Moon. Indeed Shawn, when I was in Tucson, the kilogram of cheese (and I mean cheese, that kind with taste) in the supermarket was more expensive than a kilogram of space rocks on the show! Of course it is a perversion, but also extremely fantastic, isn't it? -- That means NWA to me, that means NWA to many collectors. To science they mean more, there the NWAs are of outstanding importance. 10 years NWA lasts now, that immense gain of meteoritic wealth, knowledge and also passion for the collecting people. If collectors and scientists don't care and that hysteria with that laws-insanity continues, it will take only 10 years more and the NWAs will fully have disappeared again. (And then, one of your questions will be obsolete, because then we all will have to pay again the bitter and cruel prices for them like 10 and 20 years ago.) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Shawn Alan Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. September 2010 01:26 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hi Martin and Listers, Wow I want what ever your taking and so does my fingers. Any whos thank you for sharing your thoughts Martin and telling me I can answer some of my questions myself. WOW I forgot that the List was a place to talk about meteorites and ask questions. My bad, I must be at the wrong Meteorite List I bet I got phished. Dang, I need a new virus protection program :)~ Back to NWA meteorites, I find it interesting that there
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Fortunately, AZ and NC are 2 of only a few states that still allow open handgun carry. Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secretary, Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society - Original Message - From: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca To: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; Alexander Seidel g...@gmx.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Thanks for filling me in, Mike. And yeah, it's quite unfortunate the situation down there,, and it's probably not going to change anytime in the near future... Cheers --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Alexander Seidel g...@gmx.net Cc: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 1:01:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hi Alex and List, I know this question was directed at Melanie, but I was just talking about this to another collector, so I will say what I told him. There is a vicious and violent drug-war going on right now between the Mexican government and members of various drug cartels. The cartels are very brutal and do not care for outsiders or bystanders. They will kidnap, torture and shoot anyone who crosses their path. It is very unsafe to go out into the countryside away from the heavily-policed tourist areas. Just recently a meteorite hunter went missing from the area near the Allende fall and has not been heard from since. Best regards, MikeG On 8/31/10, Alexander Seidel g...@gmx.net wrote: Hi Melanie, could you please explain to me/us European(s) in a bit more detail, why you think this is so down there in ole Mexico? On a sidenote: I heard and read from some European visitors of the latest Tucson show that people use(d) to walk around there with guns ´n weapons for their own protection. Is that just normal practice down South or elsewhere in the country? Well, nothing but just a question Alex Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Von: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca An: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com, Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Northern Mexico (were the deserts are) would be quite a dangerous place to hunt meteorites. --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 8:03:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? I think they will BE. As most scientists and knowledgeable collectors will tell you, a meteorite doesn't care where it lands. I think they will be greater appreciated when the economy gets better and there is very little left to argue about. They are not mere commodities as some would like you to think and they are not a readily renewable resource. I feel it was very fortunate for them to fall in Northwest Africa where the climate preserves them well and the world's best recovery team was there to collect them. The gold rush has been over for some time reaching its pinnacle a few years ago. It is time to find the next plateau, will it be the Mojave or Mexico? Happy Collecting. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
Funny you mention cheese Martin. One of my self imposed edicts for buying is: If the meteorite costs less per pound than filet mignon...skip dinner and buy the stone. Perhaps we should combine ideologies and use the cheesesteak as a model http://www.greatwraps.com/Philly-cheesesteaks.jpg Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hi Shawn, I meant it totally seriously. Even I handling daily meteorites, and probably because of my simple mind, have to do such visualizations from time to time, and I wanted to express only, that for many if not most collectors (incl. researchers),it really doesn't matter that much, whether a meteorite is found in Sahara, Antarctica, USA or Burundi. The meteorites from Sahara and especially the NWA are, were and will have been always the most important source of meteoritic material of all times. As that collecting hobby is about meteorites, why one shouldn't collect them too? You know, meteorites can tell to the collectors two stories. One story is their Earthly story. Their story how they felt, who owned them before, sometimes some curious circumstances how they were found or how they felt, who has parts of them, in which museums are parts of them, in how many books was written something about them, were some scientific recoveries made for the first time on them... etc. This story is interesting for the collector, who likes historic meteorites or pedigree specimens most. The other story is, what they have to tell us about the worlds out there, the solar system, how sun, planets, Earth, life has formed. For this story there it isn't important whether the stone bears a name or a NWA-number. Those meteorites are interesting for collectors with a fascination more for space, science, the material itself. I'd say, from my experience most collectors collect both kinds of meteorites. You're 8 months around - meteorite collecting exist for 200 years now. (old timers - guess I am a kind of, 30 years ago I purchased my first one). When I was young, pretty and full of hopes, I had the permanent choice of only 300 different meteorites/locations. Most of them very laborious to get into the collection, most of them available and/or affordable only in bogey-sizes. Those roadbed-style chondrites, which you as collector get now from NWA-wonderland ad libitum, they came at my times from Texas, Kansas, New Mexico.. and they had cost not 30 nor 50$ but 1000 or 2000$ a kg. Go just 10 years back. Something like a howardite, which you find sometimes here offered on the list or on ebay at 5$/g - the people had to pay 400$ a gram for it. And you had from the rare types almost nothing to choose from. Acapulcoite? You're choice was simple. Monument Draw or Acapulco. One 800$, the other 1200$/g - and not 30$. NWA enabled me, that today I can have in my cupboard the complete asteroid belt, as far as it is known today. All types of rocks, all types of asteroids. And now I can choose, even within the different classes, (sometimes even within the parent body!) as rare as they might be. Now I can afford it! And I can afford it in sizes, that I don't need any longer a magnifier and a lot of fantasy to imagine, that the pinpoint of speck really could be a piece of the meteorite, I only know from books. I even can collect now meteorite types, which weren't known to exist before. Yes, Shawn, I even can have in my collection a variety of different rocks from Planet Mars! And I don't have to sell home and hearth anymore for getting a fingernail-sized piece of that in my hands, what the heroes of my childhood Armstrong, Aldrin, Collins brought back from up there! Now Jane John and everyone can afford a small piece of Moon. Indeed Shawn, when I was in Tucson, the kilogram of cheese (and I mean cheese, that kind with taste) in the supermarket was more expensive than a kilogram of space rocks on the show! Of course it is a perversion, but also extremely fantastic, isn't it? -- That means NWA to me, that means NWA to many collectors. To science they mean more, there the NWAs are of outstanding importance. 10 years NWA lasts now, that immense gain of meteoritic wealth, knowledge and also passion for the collecting people. If collectors and scientists don't care and that hysteria with that laws-insanity continues, it will take only 10 years more and the NWAs will fully have disappeared again. (And then, one of your questions will be obsolete, because then we all will have to pay again the bitter and cruel prices for them like 10 and 20 years ago.) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA Meteorites
Is it me or does it seem the number of NWA meteorites available is dropping? Probably like most of us, I scan ebay quite frequently and during this last month or so, I've thought this also compared to a couple years ago. geozay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I know we used to see 55 gallon drums filled with NWAs during the Tucson Shows years ago. The past few years I have not seen anything like that. At least not out in the open at the various tents where the Moroccan dealers are located around town. Years ago you'd see them at most tents. I'm sure there are still many tons of uNWAs stashed away somewhere, waiting to be released slowly some time in the future. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA Meteorites To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 10:19 AM List: Is it me or does it seem the number of NWA meteorites available is dropping? Greg S. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Only a trickle is coming out these days. The sharp decline started over three years ago. Many Moroccans who used to deal meteorites have now gone back to their old jobs since there is no longer enough to support the trade. Others have raised their wholesale prices beyond retail of a few years ago. The Saharan gold rush days are definitely over with only a handful of wholesale suppliers left. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 10:19:44 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA Meteorites List: Is it me or does it seem the number of NWA meteorites available is dropping? Greg S. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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D. Bessey is in the process of moving, so he isn't selling right now, that has an effect on Ebay. It is a bit slow though. Saw some 869's go at .90 gram. Warren Sansoucie From: geo...@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:39:54 -0400 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA Meteorites Is it me or does it seem the number of NWA meteorites available is dropping? Probably like most of us, I scan ebay quite frequently and during this last month or so, I've thought this also compared to a couple years ago. geozay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear list Members, Lets talk a little bet about NWA sceintifacally and in marketing. what did NWA stones offer to sceince? Do you appreciate NWA, it's obly 3 letters, but has done great for sceince, collectors and dealers, don't you have anything to say to NWA ? can we have a special day for NWA? can we celibrate it? and call it NWA DAY ? any word as a gift to those great meteorites were found in NWA? Lets do a special NWA Day when all NWA meteorites will be priced -50% :D -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hola Aziz. Look at this link : http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?num=1200190439 Hasta la vista, larense Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:59:30 -0700 From: abdelaziz_alhy...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA Meteorites Dear list Members, Lets talk a little bet about NWA sceintifacally and in marketing. what did NWA stones offer to sceince? Do you appreciate NWA, it's obly 3 letters, but has done great for sceince, collectors and dealers, don't you have anything to say to NWA ? can we have a special day for NWA? can we celibrate it? and call it NWA DAY ? any word as a gift to those great meteorites were found in NWA? My best Aziz (saffron guy) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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NWA ROCKS. -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Abdelaziz Alhyane abdelaziz_alhy...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear list Members, Lets talk a little bet about NWA sceintifacally and in marketing. what did NWA stones offer to sceince? Do you appreciate NWA, it's obly 3 letters, but has done great for sceince, collectors and dealers, don't you have anything to say to NWA ? can we have a special day for NWA? can we celibrate it? and call it NWA DAY ? any word as a gift to those great meteorites were found in NWA? My best Aziz (saffron guy) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi listers, I got reolies, one the guys suggested April 1st as a NWA DAY! i'm wondring where is the IMCA? or even what is IMCA? Hi IMCA can you talk ? I don't think i can think those who replied me? but sure, the NWAs they have will do it! because we are not talking about persons here, we do about NWA METEORITES Best Aziz, ( Saffron Guy) --- On Wed, 3/31/10, Abdelaziz Alhyane abdelaziz_alhy...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Abdelaziz Alhyane abdelaziz_alhy...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA Meteorites To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 6:59 PM Dear list Members, Lets talk a little bet about NWA sceintifacally and in marketing. what did NWA stones offer to sceince? Do you appreciate NWA, it's obly 3 letters, but has done great for sceince, collectors and dealers, don't you have anything to say to NWA ? can we have a special day for NWA? can we celibrate it? and call it NWA DAY ? any word as a gift to those great meteorites were found in NWA? My best Aziz (saffron guy) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Too bad you didn't think of this last year as in 2009 LOL - it was ten years ago when the first meteorites of the North West Africa designation series were found. ;) I LOVE my NWAs ,, many of them I wouldn't trade for anything! :D My first stony mets are NWAs. --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! - Original Message From: Abdelaziz Alhyane abdelaziz_alhy...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 6:59:30 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA Meteorites Dear list Members, Lets talk a little bet about NWA sceintifacally and in marketing. what did NWA stones offer to sceince? Do you appreciate NWA, it's obly 3 letters, but has done great for sceince, collectors and dealers, don't you have anything to say to NWA ? can we have a special day for NWA? can we celibrate it? and call it NWA DAY ? any word as a gift to those great meteorites were found in NWA? My best Aziz (saffron guy) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer® 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Greetings Aziz and List! The meteorites from NWA have been a boon to collectors and science alike. Despite some of the misconceptions about provenance, their importance cannot be overlooked. This is a special time to be a meteorite collector and I feel fortunate to have NWA meteorites represented (in force) in my collection. In the days before the internet and the Saharan gold rush, owning large specimens of rare types was an impossibility for most private collectors. Now, thanks to Morocco, I can possess large baseball-sized carbonaceous chondrites (like NWA 6026) that were previously unavailable to the average collector. All of the most exotic types are now represented in collection cabinets in private homes, universities, and museums. It is timely that you mention this, Aziz, because I am working to produce a tribute (of sorts) to the NWA Saharan meteorites and their origins. I will make an announcement on the list when this project is ready for the public. :) FWIW, I could sing praises to the NWA meteorites, but nobody can do it more eloquently than Martin Altmann - his expertise and views on the NWA meteorite dynamic explain the benefits of this exchange far better than I can. Best regards and happy huntings! MikeG On 3/31/10, Abdelaziz Alhyane abdelaziz_alhy...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi listers, I got reolies, one the guys suggested April 1st as a NWA DAY! i'm wondring where is the IMCA? or even what is IMCA? Hi IMCA can you talk ? I don't think i can think those who replied me? but sure, the NWAs they have will do it! because we are not talking about persons here, we do about NWA METEORITES Best Aziz, ( Saffron Guy) --- On Wed, 3/31/10, Abdelaziz Alhyane abdelaziz_alhy...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Abdelaziz Alhyane abdelaziz_alhy...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA Meteorites To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 6:59 PM Dear list Members, Lets talk a little bet about NWA sceintifacally and in marketing. what did NWA stones offer to sceince? Do you appreciate NWA, it's obly 3 letters, but has done great for sceince, collectors and dealers, don't you have anything to say to NWA ? can we have a special day for NWA? can we celibrate it? and call it NWA DAY ? any word as a gift to those great meteorites were found in NWA? My best Aziz (saffron guy) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?
Probably you know its forbidden put ID of others in pubblic emails uh? From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED],magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:45:20 -0700 We all know it is Matteo, he is so stupid that he doesn't even know how to lie well. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Matteo's old ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]: 82.88.123.236 Matt River's ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): 82.88.123.236 What a coincidence! What are the odds? regards, Dave magellon wrote: Matt, How strange that your word phrasing and attitude is so much like Matteo Chinellato. In a previous email, you , like Matteo, are quick to point out material that may take business from Matteo's perceived enemy (M.Farmer) Coincidentally you show up on the LIST just AFTER Matteo was banned. You even end your message with Regards as Matteo always did! I'll bet you are also from Italy? (Yes, just checked your header - you are from Italy) Do you know Matteo? Is he honest or does he try to deceive others? Matteo has continued to take the easy, but completely wrong path. He should not think his wrong choices will not continue to plague him, they will. The sad thing is that no one was hoping or wishing Matteo evil or bad results. He has no one but himself to blame. Regards Ken Newton Matt River wrote: Hello If its confirmed I never buy any other NWA meteorite in my life, I no want my money give for buy meteorites go for after buy army. regards Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:35:17 EST NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson _ Comunica in un altra dimensione con MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST= 1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Nuovo MSN Messenger con sfondi e giochi! http://messenger.msn.it/ Provalo subito! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Not in the USA, and this list is based in the USA. If you want to play and change your name, do it in Europe where you can hide behind fake names idiot. Art, please remove Matteo again. Thanks from all the list in advance. It was so nice to not have stupid comments for just those few days. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Matt River [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Probably you know its forbidden put ID of others in pubblic emails uh? From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED],magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:45:20 -0700 We all know it is Matteo, he is so stupid that he doesn't even know how to lie well. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Matteo's old ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]: 82.88.123.236 Matt River's ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): 82.88.123.236 What a coincidence! What are the odds? regards, Dave magellon wrote: Matt, How strange that your word phrasing and attitude is so much like Matteo Chinellato. In a previous email, you , like Matteo, are quick to point out material that may take business from Matteo's perceived enemy (M.Farmer) Coincidentally you show up on the LIST just AFTER Matteo was banned. You even end your message with Regards as Matteo always did! I'll bet you are also from Italy? (Yes, just checked your header - you are from Italy) Do you know Matteo? Is he honest or does he try to deceive others? Matteo has continued to take the easy, but completely wrong path. He should not think his wrong choices will not continue to plague him, they will. The sad thing is that no one was hoping or wishing Matteo evil or bad results. He has no one but himself to blame. Regards Ken Newton Matt River wrote: Hello If its confirmed I never buy any other NWA meteorite in my life, I no want my money give for buy meteorites go for after buy army. regards Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:35:17 EST NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson _ Comunica in un 'altra dimensione con MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST= 1 http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST = 1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Nuovo MSN Messenger con sfondi e
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to reach their goals? So tell us how you get meteorites out of libya and which people who are part of the local population (Or in Afghanistan) benefits from your meteorite activities. We would love to know I am sure. Inquiring minds (Not to mention your potential customers) would like to know exactly what it is that you are up to in a terrorist sponcering nation (That americans are not even allowed to visit). Lets meet up in Tucson next week so that I can buy you some top of the line award winning Canadian wine so that you wont have to continue your enjoyment of the cheap imported camel piss that you can afford now. And next time you go to the desert wear a hat? To much sun is obviously getting to you. Sincerely DEAN PS: Dont think that I am trying to kick the pellisons out of the desert. I am not a communist and I believe that all my competators - including the pellisons, has just as much right to hunt in the desert and sell meteorites that I do. This is the stupidest most moronic thing that I have ever herd. --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is lunacy, they are jerks who think that they only should be in the desert. What a crock of BS. Go back to France and take your attitude with you Pellisons. Meteorites funding terrorists, get real! They are building homes with them, the Pellisons are just mad that someone else gets some money from the meteorites other than them. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Hello Richard Robert Pellison and List, beautiful concpiracy theory! But where are the real facts? Thousands of deserts nomads in the service of Al Qaida? I`m sorry, but this story ist nonsense for me. It is fact that many nomads trade her meteorites for food and other goods at markets in Morocco. The Moroccan mineral dealers make the real money. I know many of this mineral dealers personally and these aren't terrorists! It is the same propaganda which is already used against NWA meteorites. Best regards, Stefan www.meteoriten.com SR-Meteorite I.M.C.A. Member#3368 NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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who dont think twice about flaunting laws of the country that they are in operates and exactly what type of organizations they would be willing to support in order to reach their goals? So tell us how you get meteorites out of libya and which people who are part of the local population (Or in Afghanistan) benefits from your meteorite activities. We would love to know I am sure. Inquiring minds (Not to mention your potential customers) would like to know exactly what it is that you are up to in a terrorist sponcering nation (That americans are not even allowed to visit). Lets meet up in Tucson next week so that I can buy you some top of the line award winning Canadian wine so that you wont have to continue your enjoyment of the cheap imported camel piss that you can afford now. And next time you go to the desert wear a hat? To much sun is obviously getting to you. Sincerely DEAN PS: Dont think that I am trying to kick the pellisons out of the desert. I am not a communist and I believe that all my competators - including the pellisons, has just as much right to hunt in the desert and sell meteorites that I do. This is the stupidest most moronic thing that I have ever herd. --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is lunacy, they are jerks who think that they only should be in the desert. What a crock of BS. Go back to France and take your attitude with you Pellisons. Meteorites funding terrorists, get real! They are building homes with them, the Pellisons are just mad that someone else gets some money from the meteorites other than them. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Hello Richard Robert Pellison and List, beautiful concpiracy theory! But where are the real facts? Thousands of deserts nomads in the service of Al Qaida? I`m sorry, but this story ist nonsense for me. It is fact that many nomads trade her meteorites for food and other goods at markets in Morocco. The Moroccan mineral dealers make the real money. I know many of this mineral dealers personally and these aren't terrorists! It is the same propaganda which is already used against NWA meteorites. Best regards, Stefan www.meteoriten.com SR-Meteorite I.M.C.A. Member#3368 NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Well, I have tried to be out of the politics on the list, but its true, Algeria was a very traumatic experience for France. Perhaps the attitude might be a bit different, if Algeria still was a colony of France. take care, pekka s David Freeman wrote: Baah! Meteorites for Plutonium? Last I heard it was meteorites for subsistence living. Go figure! DF Roman Jirasek wrote: Hear Hear! You go man! Roman - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? First it was plundering, now it is supporting terrorism? Please give us a break! BTW, what millions of dollars are you talking about? Do you really think that the small meteorite market is carrying millions of dollars to Morocco (or to some elusive Algerian NWA meteorite funded contrabands and terrorists)? Your claim is plainly false, and you know it! Disgusting. What's next? Will you try to tell us that several meteorite dealers go to Morocco to trade meteorites for arms, or plutonium? Your pseudo-ethic is nothing but hypocrisy. Do you really think that most meteorite collectors are that dumb that they'll take your polemics for facts? And that they don't get your real intentions? Sleep tight, Norbert -Ursprngliche Nachricht- NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I can think of half a dozen things that are more likely to support terrorism with higher dollar to risk ratios than meteorites: oil, drugs, weapons, 'blood' diamonds, etc. Meteorites that support terrorism are on a scale of 1-10, about a -2; not big, or even medium-weight money. Annually, I'd hazard a guess that less than a million dollars flows into Africa for buying and selling meteorites. Any arms dealer can put together a one shot package that will net 10 times that in one trip. Can you tell us what indicators you saw that led you to believe that the sale of NWA meteorites is financing terrorists? Tracy Latimer _ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello If its confirmed I never buy any other NWA meteorite in my life, I no want my money give for buy meteorites go for after buy army. regards Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:35:17 EST NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson _ Comunica in un altra dimensione con MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Title: Nachricht Aren't you getting a little, well, too "terrorized" here? Bernhard -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:35 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones "bought" in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteoritesSome serious facts:- 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay "anonymous". - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border.More info :http://www.saharamet.com/Richard Roland Pelisson
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Dear List, Bernhard; Maybe the real terrorism is that it appears Matteo is back to haunt us Dave F. Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rems wrote: Aren't you getting a little, well, too terrorized here? Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Title: Nachricht Let me elaborate a little on why I think this is a rather silly accusation and - most of all - rather humiliating to the people of the Mahgreb, where those meteorites are found: First of all: the quotations about militant groups from Algeria are TOTALLY taken out of context. Further on - the quote that theborder between Morocco and Algeria has been officiallyclosed in 1994 misses to say that "in reality, very little people care about that, mostly becauseof geographical circumstances". Next: there is NO known militant islamic group operating out of Libya, so these allegations are without foundation. You are right that there won't be "thousands of beduines" on the strewnfields - but what does it prove? In my opinion, it only provesthat - well, less people are needed for that job. Beduines are no fools or "primitives", their hunts are pretty well organized. I don'tdoubt you may have good intentions with this page (although some not so good intentions can be imagined for such a campaign as well) - but if you know the region a little, and if you know the people a little there,this page is something VERY objectionable - at least for me. In fact, I feel angered by what you are doing. It might and will impress some folks, but I am sure I am not alone when I say that this page is highly speculative and - if read by the wrong persons - can do a LOT of harm. Regards, Bernhard -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bernhard "Rendelius" RemsSent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:00 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Aren't you getting a little, well, too "terrorized" here? Bernhard -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:35 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones "bought" in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteoritesSome serious facts:- 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay "anonymous". - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border.More info :http://www.saharamet.com/Richard Roland Pelisson
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Dear list, An interesting topic. Some serious facts. I had the big opportunity to stay in the Amguid area, Algeria twice in the last 2 years. Having beeg invited by the University of Algiers, to help some field prospection with the Museum National d'Histoire Naturelle de Paris, around 2 impacts carters ( Amguid and Tin Bider, ) I had the pleasure to be introduced to the local Police Forces in Amguid. We had a military escort during our first trip. It creates relations and friendship as we shareda mechoui and more. It happened also that we where exactly in Amguid in 2003 when the group of 30 tourists where caught, and that we had the pleasure again to meet our friends from the previous year military escort that were just coming back from a first survey to localize the kidnappers, in an aera bewteen Amguid and Illizi, about500 km in the East of the Acfer reg, more that 1000 klm from the Tanezrouft area. We do not see here any meteorite link between that kidnapper group, who was known by our local helps and also by the military forces. (the GSPC true ) During that same expeditions we also had the opportunity top see 2 ciarettes smugglers caravan of Toyotas 6 vehicles on the first time and 14 the second time. There is a big money. We also had the chance to find a lost 55 gallons drum on our way to the Tin Bider crater, having to follow the same track as the smuggers for half a hundred miles. On another hand we have developped a network of prospectors somewhere in the Sahara, who also cross borders to prospect. Their land was cut into new countries after the french decolinization. They have relative on each side of many borders and they use to visit them quite often, do not forget that they are basically nomads. They are paid for their job by me, on a no cure no pay basis. ( But they find many meteorites.. I know how much I spend on travels and how much I give them. I do not see any Million $ figure in my expenses.) I would be intellectually inapt to invest millions of $ in buying tons of OC's and some goodies to my people. Anyone can buy them much cheaper in Morocco, according what I unserstand from my hunting mates that go there and buy their meteorites in Morocco. I do not understand the link bewteen NWa's , other Saharan meteorites and terrorsim. The arguments developped by the Pelissons brothers drastically lack of real clues. The GSPC group asked for a ransom and got it: there were the millions of $, in kidnapping not in meteorites.I do not see people playing at meteorites in the no-mans land between Algeria and Morocco, Sahara is so vast that one should be mad to prospect there: it is full of mines! My people know many nomads crossing borders, are they all smugglers ? All african borders are porous. Camels, cars, trucks, dattes, hifi, computers,cigarettes, there are the major traffics. I started prospecting in Libya as the Pelissons did, and I have to admit that I smuggled the meteorites throught the Libyan border and then through the Tunisian border.As the Pelisson did.(Roland, personnal communication.) Another story. My mates found a nice achondrite last year, a small fragment with crust 14 g, ( is is a polymict diogenite or something close, analyses are not finished. ) having seen the crust and the little thumbprints on it I suggested that they go back to the plalce and look again. They came back with a perfect complete individual of 50 g. These meteorites are legally imported in France throught customs. I run a registered meteorite business in France, I just ask the Pelisson if their SaharaTeam is a regsitered company. if no, I will say that they probably finance terrorism. I am reading the numerous answers to this topic. Yes Bernhard is right, this can make a lot of harm to the community. I go back to my cooking. Lobsters and Champagne tonite. I will tell you why in a while. BTW I have some auctions at http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItemsuserid=kayunwarinclude=0since=-1sort=3rows=50 My 2 teas Michel FRANCO - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones "bought" in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteoritesSome serious facts:- 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC
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Hello Richard Robert Pellison and List, beautiful concpiracy theory! But where are the real facts? Thousands of deserts nomads in the service of Al Qaida? I`m sorry, but this story ist nonsense for me. It is fact that many nomads trade her meteorites for food and other goods at markets in Morocco. The Moroccan mineral dealers make the real money. I know many of this mineral dealers personally and these aren't terrorists! It is the same propaganda which is already used against NWA meteorites. Best regards, Stefan www.meteoriten.com SR-Meteorite I.M.C.A. Member#3368 NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones "bought" in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay "anonymous". - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson
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Gosh! Take care Stefan! I will peach on you at the Homeland office and the next day the marines will take you, Matteo, Bessey and all others to Guantanamo. (I insist that Farmer and Matteo have to share the same cage). The McCarthy era in the meteorite scene is near. Let's burn all stuff from Maghreb. Bury all Chinese falls. Throw the Zagamis in the toilet Bring the children in the house - THE METEORITE DEALER IS COMING!! Martin A. - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Hello Richard Robert Pellison and List, beautiful concpiracy theory! But where are the real facts? Thousands of deserts nomads in the service of Al Qaida? I`m sorry, but this story ist nonsense for me. It is fact that many nomads trade her meteorites for food and other goods at markets in Morocco. The Moroccan mineral dealers make the real money. I know many of this mineral dealers personally and these aren't terrorists! It is the same propaganda which is already used against NWA meteorites. Best regards, Stefan www.meteoriten.com SR-Meteorite I.M.C.A. Member#3368 NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Richard and list, I think you left one off your list. 6. Islamic sounds like a eucrite meteorite. Morocco (a country) and Africa (a continent) do have a lot of Muslims. This does not mean they are all radical Muslims. To suggest that since meteorites are purchased in acountryor a continent were there are a few radicals by ratio as meaning that Moroccan meteorite money funds terrorist sounds to me a bit far fetching. Morocco has been a trading place for a long time and will continue fora long time in the future. Meteorites would not even rank in the top 10 of the countries exports. There is a lack of strewn field data on NWA meteorites, but lets be honest. I think we understand now the way meteorites break up and the many rare meteorites, planetary and otherwise, the Moroccan meteorite market has provided, out weigh any lack of geological information. Sure I like to collect those GPS coordinates also, but let us be honest. Only a handful of coordinates provided in any meteorite catalog would really lead you to the place of find or fall. If one was collecting NWA meteorite one would surely get several pairs in their collection. But would one not get the same if collecting the DAG #'d meteorites you found? Would you mind telling us how many paired DAG CO3 numbers have been assigned? Multiple paired meteorites with different name and numbers can also be found in the RooseveltCounty, New Mexico meteorites, the Antarctica finds, Australia, and in many other examples. Richard, your finds and documentation on the Libyan meteorites is inspirational, however, I find your annual attack on NWA meteorites lacking. Kind of like a, "I have a better car then you" thing. Mark Bostick Go Panthers!!!
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Matt, How strange that your word phrasing and attitude is so much like Matteo Chinellato. In a previous email, you , like Matteo, are quick to point out material that may take business from Matteo's perceived enemy (M.Farmer) Coincidentally you show up on the LIST just AFTER Matteo was banned. You even end your message with "Regards" as Matteo always did! I'll bet you are also from Italy? (Yes, just checked your header - you are from Italy) Do you know Matteo? Is he honest or does he try to deceive others? Matteo has continued to take the easy, but completely wrong path. He should not think his wrong choices will not continue to plague him, they will. The sad thing is that no one was hoping or wishing Matteo evil or bad results. He has no one but himself to blame. "Regards" Ken Newton Matt River wrote: Hello If its confirmed I never buy any other NWA meteorite in my life, I no want my money give for buy meteorites go for after buy army. regards Matt >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? >Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:35:17 EST > > NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? >http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html > > >1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones "bought" in Morocco. >2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this >market. > >3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to >Egypt. >4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since >1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. > NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites > >Some serious facts: >- 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target >of >the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: > - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) > - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) >- 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military >attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. >- Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land >between the two countries. >- NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who >prefer >to stay "anonymous". >- The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on >the Algerian border. > > >More info : >http://www.saharamet.com/ > >Richard Roland Pelisson _ Comunica in un altra dimensione con MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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well from today I not put the regards in my emails adieu From: magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matt River [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:16:20 -0500 Matt, How strange that your word phrasing and attitude is so much like Matteo Chinellato. In a previous email, you , like Matteo, are quick to point out material that may take business from Matteo's perceived enemy (M.Farmer) Coincidentally you show up on the LIST just AFTER Matteo was banned. You even end your message with Regards as Matteo always did! I'll bet you are also from Italy? (Yes, just checked your header - you are from Italy) Do you know Matteo? Is he honest or does he try to deceive others? Matteo has continued to take the easy, but completely wrong path. He should not think his wrong choices will not continue to plague him, they will. The sad thing is that no one was hoping or wishing Matteo evil or bad results. He has no one but himself to blame. Regards Ken Newton Matt River wrote: Hello If its confirmed I never buy any other NWA meteorite in my life, I no want my money give for buy meteorites go for after buy army. regards Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:35:17 EST NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson _ Comunica in un altra dimensione con MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Nuovo MSN Messenger con sfondi e giochi! http://messenger.msn.it/ Provalo subito! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear Matt; If you could only go back through years of list posts (since you ARE new here), you would see that our wonderful friend, Matteo (now in transparent sheep's clothing) has been stepped on, and all of the list members for years have been bent on stamping out his struck fairies and fantasies. The members diddly doo him so he becomes not unlike a monkey on a string. Maybe some medical doctor could prescribe some tetraethanolcanibinal for Matte so he could be above the tickled fancy of the conspiracy to commit sanity on the insane. Either that , or take away his LSD. The struck fairies is the one that did it for me. DF magellon wrote: Matt, How strange that your word phrasing and attitude is so much like Matteo Chinellato. In a previous email, you , like Matteo, are quick to point out material that may take business from Matteo's perceived enemy (M.Farmer) Coincidentally you show up on the LIST just AFTER Matteo was banned. You even end your message with Regards as Matteo always did! I'll bet you are also from Italy? (Yes, just checked your header - you are from Italy) Do you know Matteo? Is he honest or does he try to deceive others? Matteo has continued to take the easy, but completely wrong path. He should not think his wrong choices will not continue to plague him, they will. The sad thing is that no one was hoping or wishing Matteo evil or bad results. He has no one but himself to blame. Regards Ken Newton Matt River wrote: Hello If its confirmed I never buy any other NWA meteorite in my life, I no want my money give for buy meteorites go for after buy army. regards Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:35:17 EST NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson _ Comunica in un 'altra dimensione con MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Ken and Matt, Matt, I have a question I would like you to ask Matteo should you see him in the near future. On 8 January 2004, a friend of Matteo's posted a message to the meteorite-list with the subject heading UP WITH MATTEO!! The friend's name was Francesco Cini. Mr. Cini provided a link in his post. When downloaded this link went to a pro Al Quaida broadside, lampooning the United States and calling for its' destruction. I noted with interest at the time that Matteo did not repudiate this post by Mr. Cini. So I'm curious. Is Matteo sympathetic to the goals of Al Quaida? Regards, Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello list and WELLCOME to a globalized world, I dont really know deeply the problems that are now in Africa and Sahara, but I do understand how globalization works. Anything you buy in the confort of your house or your city, you NEVER know where it comes from for sure, with millions of miles and millions of people touching money these days, you never know to who you give your money, lets put an example. Diamonds, gold, etc...while you go to a store in your city and buy a ring for your wife, you wont know from where did they mined out that diamond, companies always buy what is cheaper, once the diamond s out of the land you dont know if it comes from Africa, america or any other place...get this, if you get water from the faucet in America and then you fill the other part of the glass with water from Europe, its impossible to determine wich waters comes from where...its the same here. In his globalized world where you actually buy stuff from all over the world, it gets mixed and you only know where it comes from because of the Tag (Made in China, Made in Mexico, etc). How do you really know?...next time you buy something, just remember...you might be financing a war, you might be givin money to a good mans family. Buying NWA meteorites you might be givin money to the mafia or might be helping a bedouine and his family, the prloblem is that you DONT know. Another thing, just think for a moment. If you buy meteorites from USA, you are activating american economy, is that money going to be used in anoter IRAK war?..then you too will be killing people. What Im telling you is that no matter where you buy meteorites...American, mexicans, europeans, italians, africans, you neverknow who you are helping. I think this is just an invention...this is new world with new rules. 2001 Space Collection Rafael B. Torres _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Not much to add...I´m also a collector of gems and minerals, so the story of the blood diamonds from Sierra Leone, Kongo etc is familiar. Anyway, I suppose, this high moral case was originally started by DeBeers syndicate...;- best regards, pekka s Rafael B. Torres wrote: Hello list and WELLCOME to a globalized world, I dont really know deeply the problems that are now in Africa and Sahara, but I do understand how globalization works. Anything you buy in the confort of your house or your city, you NEVER know where it comes from for sure, with millions of miles and millions of people touching money these days, you never know to who you give your money, lets put an example. Diamonds, gold, etc...while you go to a store in your city and buy a ring for your wife, you wont know from where did they mined out that diamond, companies always buy what is cheaper, once the diamond s out of the land you dont know if it comes from Africa, america or any other place...get this, if you get water from the faucet in America and then you fill the other part of the glass with water from Europe, its impossible to determine wich waters comes from where...its the same here. In his globalized world where you actually buy stuff from all over the world, it gets mixed and you only know where it comes from because of the Tag (Made in China, Made in Mexico, etc). How do you really know?...next time you buy something, just remember...you might be financing a war, you might be givin money to a good mans family. Buying NWA meteorites you might be givin money to the mafia or might be helping a bedouine and his family, the prloblem is that you DONT know. Another thing, just think for a moment. If you buy meteorites from USA, you are activating american economy, is that money going to be used in anoter IRAK war?..then you too will be killing people. What Im telling you is that no matter where you buy meteorites...American, mexicans, europeans, italians, africans, you neverknow who you are helping. I think this is just an invention...this is new world with new rules. 2001 Space Collection Rafael B. Torres _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hear Hear! You go man! Roman - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? First it was plundering, now it is supporting terrorism? Please give us a break! BTW, what millions of dollars are you talking about? Do you really think that the small meteorite market is carrying millions of dollars to Morocco (or to some elusive Algerian NWA meteorite funded contrabands and terrorists)? Your claim is plainly false, and you know it! Disgusting. What's next? Will you try to tell us that several meteorite dealers go to Morocco to trade meteorites for arms, or plutonium? Your pseudo-ethic is nothing but hypocrisy. Do you really think that most meteorite collectors are that dumb that they'll take your polemics for facts? And that they don't get your real intentions? Sleep tight, Norbert -Ursprngliche Nachricht- NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Baah! Meteorites for Plutonium? Last I heard it was meteorites for subsistence living. Go figure! DF Roman Jirasek wrote: Hear Hear! You go man! Roman - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? First it was plundering, now it is supporting terrorism? Please give us a break! BTW, what millions of dollars are you talking about? Do you really think that the small meteorite market is carrying millions of dollars to Morocco (or to some elusive Algerian NWA meteorite funded contrabands and terrorists)? Your claim is plainly false, and you know it! Disgusting. What's next? Will you try to tell us that several meteorite dealers go to Morocco to trade meteorites for arms, or plutonium? Your pseudo-ethic is nothing but hypocrisy. Do you really think that most meteorite collectors are that dumb that they'll take your polemics for facts? And that they don't get your real intentions? Sleep tight, Norbert -Ursprngliche Nachricht- NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Pelissons, Although many have reacted negatively to your report, I feel just the opposite. You should expand your definition of NWA meteorites to include all meteorites found in North West Africa instead of undocumented stones bought in Morocco. You never know when those sneaky kidnapper/smuggler/nomads are going to start documenting finds just to increase their terrorist's profits. Thank you for bringing this to the meteorite community's attention. Are you going to set the proper example and to quit your business so there can be no hint of any terrorist support on your part? This is what you have suggested, is it not? I know this is difficult but you don't want to appear hypocritical, do you? If I can help, I will gladly dispose of any or all your desert inventory. Be assured that I will NOT sell to any terrorist. Keep up the good work, and be careful of the desert sun. ken newton P.S. I may even start confiscating suspect stones in Tucson. Thanks for the idea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Matteo's old ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]: 82.88.123.236 Matt River's ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): 82.88.123.236 What a coincidence! What are the odds? regards, Dave magellon wrote: Matt, How strange that your word phrasing and attitude is so much like Matteo Chinellato. In a previous email, you , like Matteo, are quick to point out material that may take business from Matteo's perceived enemy (M.Farmer) Coincidentally you show up on the LIST just AFTER Matteo was banned. You even end your message with Regards as Matteo always did! I'll bet you are also from Italy? (Yes, just checked your header - you are from Italy) Do you know Matteo? Is he honest or does he try to deceive others? Matteo has continued to take the easy, but completely wrong path. He should not think his wrong choices will not continue to plague him, they will. The sad thing is that no one was hoping or wishing Matteo evil or bad results. He has no one but himself to blame. Regards Ken Newton Matt River wrote: Hello If its confirmed I never buy any other NWA meteorite in my life, I no want my money give for buy meteorites go for after buy army. regards Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:35:17 EST NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson _ Comunica in un altra dimensione con MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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GOSH, I AM ASTONISHED! NOT OUR HONORABLE MATTEO! WE LOVE HIMnot! DF DNAndrews wrote: Matteo's old ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]: 82.88.123.236 Matt River's ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): 82.88.123.236 What a coincidence! What are the odds? regards, Dave magellon wrote: Matt, How strange that your word phrasing and attitude is so much like Matteo Chinellato. In a previous email, you , like Matteo, are quick to point out material that may take business from Matteo's perceived enemy (M.Farmer) Coincidentally you show up on the LIST just AFTER Matteo was banned. You even end your message with Regards as Matteo always did! I'll bet you are also from Italy? (Yes, just checked your header - you are from Italy) Do you know Matteo? Is he honest or does he try to deceive others? Matteo has continued to take the easy, but completely wrong path. He should not think his wrong choices will not continue to plague him, they will. The sad thing is that no one was hoping or wishing Matteo evil or bad results. He has no one but himself to blame. Regards Ken Newton Matt River wrote: Hello If its confirmed I never buy any other NWA meteorite in my life, I no want my money give for buy meteorites go for after buy army. regards Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:35:17 EST NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson _ Comunica in un altra dimensione con MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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We all know it is Matteo, he is so stupid that he doesn't even know how to lie well. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Matteo's old ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]: 82.88.123.236 Matt River's ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): 82.88.123.236 What a coincidence! What are the odds? regards, Dave magellon wrote: Matt, How strange that your word phrasing and attitude is so much like Matteo Chinellato. In a previous email, you , like Matteo, are quick to point out material that may take business from Matteo's perceived enemy (M.Farmer) Coincidentally you show up on the LIST just AFTER Matteo was banned. You even end your message with Regards as Matteo always did! I'll bet you are also from Italy? (Yes, just checked your header - you are from Italy) Do you know Matteo? Is he honest or does he try to deceive others? Matteo has continued to take the easy, but completely wrong path. He should not think his wrong choices will not continue to plague him, they will. The sad thing is that no one was hoping or wishing Matteo evil or bad results. He has no one but himself to blame. Regards Ken Newton Matt River wrote: Hello If its confirmed I never buy any other NWA meteorite in my life, I no want my money give for buy meteorites go for after buy army. regards Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:35:17 EST NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson _ Comunica in un altra dimensione con MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST= 1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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It is lunacy, they are jerks who think that they only should be in the desert. What a crock of BS. Go back to France and take your attitude with you Pellisons. Meteorites funding terrorists, get real! They are building homes with them, the Pellisonsare just mad that someone else gets some money from the meteorites other than them. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Hello Richard Robert Pellison and List,beautiful concpiracy theory! But where are the real facts? Thousands of deserts nomads in the service of Al Qaida? I`m sorry, but this story ist nonsense for me. It is fact that many nomads trade her meteorites for food and other goods at markets in Morocco. The Moroccan mineral dealers make the real money. I know many of this mineral dealers personally and these aren't terrorists! It is the same propaganda which is already used against NWA meteorites.Best regards,Stefanwww.meteoriten.comSR-MeteoriteI.M.C.A. Member#3368NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones "bought" in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteoritesSome serious facts:- 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay "anonymous". - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border.More info :http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA Meteorites and Oxidation?
Walter Branch wrote: In looking over many pictures of NWA meteorites and examining some which I have in my collection, many look heavily oxidized. Is this just my eyes or are they a heavily oxidzed group, in general? Of course, I have seen exceptions but even the carbonaceous stones appear this way to me. Hello Walter and List, Survey of weathering degree of NWA's presently in my databases: W0 or W0/1: 10 W1 or W1/2: 62 W2 or W2/3: 66 W3 or W3/4: 72 W4 or W4/5: 14 W5 or W5/6: 10 W6: 03 This survey does not yet include Met.Bull. 86 and the countless provisional or unclassified NWA's. Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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NWA meteorites are cool beacuse I get to go to Africa every month, sometimes twice a month, and see a virtual buffet of rare and beautiful meteorites direct from the finders. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: swyant To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA Meteorites are cool because Hello Mark and List, NWA Meteorites are cool because "THEY ARE FAR OUT MAN" A little saying that stayed in my head from the 60's. Another one is, NWA Meteorites are cool because.. "THEY'VE BEEN THERE, DONE THAT"... I really enjoy the list, And everyone who contributes to this list. Thanks, Steve Yant. Canton, Ohio.
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites blessing or omen ?
On Tue, 12 February 2002, Graham Christensen wrote This is true. I myself have many tiny chips and pieces of meteorite but I have an NWA that I got from Dean Bessey that is 285 grams. I am glad that I had the opportunity to obtain a meteorite of its size. It has given me a better idea of what a meteorite would probably look like in an environment where it might be weathered and I have been able to show it to many people in my school, many of whom have shown great interest. Besides, I don't think that the information about the strewnfields is all that important to science, the physics of meteorite falls and the formation of strewnfields is already well known. What needs to be studied is the meteorites themselves and the best way to do this is to have nomads out there searching to make a profit, finding the maximum amount of material. Am I right on this? This is just my opinion. My 2 bits (of NWA meteorite) worth :) Graham, I think that you are absolutely right on this on all counts. Strewn field information, I think is important with regards to very large falls, such a Gibeon, Campo del Cielo, and other such events. Most important though are witnessed falls. Strewnfield data with regards to these is important. The visual observation of the fireball event coupled with the data derived from the fall scatter pattern can provide insight into the process of retardation of hypersonic bodies with irreguar shapes and motions in our atmosphere. (In this regard, some bolides, such as Pasamonte were observed to have a corkscrew motion). But with regards to the tons of NWA's I think it stupid and shortsighted to discount these as being scientifically important simply because they do not have strewnfield data. These should, instead, be considered potential bonaza to science. Cut them, make spheres of them, reduce them to dust, pop out chondurles for analysis-- the huge supply should make for some amazing discoveries. Steve Schoner, American Meteorite Survey. Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter From: Simon de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites blessing or omen ? Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:54:01 -0500 Edward and List :I am a junior and amateur collector. I've been interested in meteorites for as long as I can remember searching fields , rock piles wondering how I might wish astar to fall on my property. Having finally accumulated numerous specimens I sent pieces to Robt Haag who called me on the phone with the discouraging news that none of what I had a ton of beside my gas barrel was meteorite. At that point I did as Robt said and got Richard Nortons book and educated myself somewhat. I met a few helpful dealers , collectors, and got to look at the real thing. It was like a starved soul to be able to purchase pieces of meteorite at such reasonable prices and study them for myself. No it wasn t the dollars for me that I could make on them , I was just glad to buy them for what I could get them If I had to pay what some have paid to have a few grams of rare individuals I wouldn t have any today .I have shared pieces with many people who would otherwise been like me ignorant about what a meteorite looks and feels like. I can now bring and even give some to farmers and friends who otherwise would never even see the real thing much less care, but they marvel when they get to touch what we now take for granted. I spend hours looking over and over at all the variety of specimens I have from NWA and anyone who is interested can actually come and enjoy them also. I ve been asked if I can show what I have at the local fall fair I think its an excellent idea to bring them into schools and let childrens hold a star first hand and not look at it in a museum for 5 seconds and never experience them. the beauty of nature ought not be locked up and hoarded by those who can afford high priced ones alone ..There is lots to go around I m so thankful the price was in range where I didn t hesitate to get some rather than just keep looking and hoping someday to find one . Blessing UNWA for me perhaps someday I ll get some pieces classified and donate my 20 grams to the cause also without regret. I agree that perhaps alot more pairing could have been done I t could have been picked up more scientifically but it didn t happen and we won t turn back time to undo what has been done Make the best of
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Bernd, Gaham; About this new CR strewnfield, Dean Bessey had published the coordinates recently, as follows. I transmit this info that I picked up on his website. www.meteoriteshop.com if my memory is good. Moroccan CR2 Strewnfield. N 30 19 53 4 W 5 52 50 7 If it can help. best wishes Michel - Message d'origine - De : Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] À : meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 13 février 2002 12:45 Objet : [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites blessing or omen? Graham Christensen wrote: I don't think that the information about the strewnfields is all that important to science, the physics of meteorite falls and the formation of strewnfields is already well known. Hello Graham and Listees! Let me first of all admit that, like so many others, I also own several NWAs (23 + two thin sections to be correct) and some of these are among the most beautiful meteorites I have ever owned! NWA 904 (the famous Collection in a Slice) from the Hupés and my very fresh NWA 788 from Jim Strope or a beautiful 2.16-g CR2 individual from Dean come to mind ... to name just a few. Let me also add that I love these meteorites for what they are and for where they came from - classified or unclassified, with strewn field information or without! BUT I would now have expected Alex Crutchfield to chime in. Alex wanted to know my opinion about all those CR2s that have flooded the market and he also asked whether I thought they could or might be paired with the Acfer CR2s and with El Djouf 001. I wrote back that there is plenty of information on the Acfers, on El Djouf 001 but practically n o t h i n g about the NWAs and that we would have to wait until such meteorites get classified by someone. I was able to send Alex info about the TKW of all those Acfer CR2, I would have been able to give him find coordinates and chemical/petrological info on them but ... no chance for the unclassified or uncatalogued NWAs. If we had strewn field data for the NWA CR2s and if we could painstakingly compare these to the pertinent information on the Acfers, then we might perhaps consider or exclude tentative pairings. And IF the NWA CR2s should turn out to be paired with the Acfers or El Djouf, then, again, it would be very important to reconstruct the strewn field parameters to extract scientifically relevant information like possible CR2 meteorite streams, (comparative) weathering degrees, shapes and sizes of strewn field ellipses (i.e. dependancy on meteorite types, total mass, multiple strewn fields because of late-stage break-up in the atmosphere, separate but identical, parallel streams, etc.) Best and ducking before the flames descend on me :-) Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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This is true. I myself have many tiny chips and pieces of meteorite but I have an NWA that I got from Dean Bessey that is 285 grams. I am glad that I had the opportunity to obtain a meteorite of its size. It has given me a better idea of what a meteorite would probably look like in an environment where it might be weathered and I have been able to show it to many people in my school, many of whom have shown great interest. Besides, I don't think that the information about the strewnfields is all that important to science, the physics of meteorite falls and the formation of strewnfields is already well known. What needs to be studied is the meteorites themselves and the best way to do this is to have nomads out there searching to make a profit, finding the maximum amount of material. Am I right on this? This is just my opinion. My 2 bits (of NWA meteorite) worth :) Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter From: Simon de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites blessing or omen ? Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:54:01 -0500 Edward and List :I am a junior and amateur collector. I've been interested in meteorites for as long as I can remember searching fields , rock piles wondering how I might wish astar to fall on my property. Having finally accumulated numerous specimens I sent pieces to Robt Haag who called me on the phone with the discouraging news that none of what I had a ton of beside my gas barrel was meteorite. At that point I did as Robt said and got Richard Nortons book and educated myself somewhat. I met a few helpful dealers , collectors, and got to look at the real thing. It was like a starved soul to be able to purchase pieces of meteorite at such reasonable prices and study them for myself.No it wasn t the dollars for me that I could make on them , I was just glad to buy them for what I could get them If I had to pay what some have paid to have a few grams of rare individuals I wouldn t have any today .I have shared pieces with many people who would otherwise been like me ignorant about what a meteorite looks and feels like. I can now bring and even give some to farmers and friends who otherwise would never even see the real thing much less care, but they marvel when they get to touch what we now take for granted. I spend hours looking over and over at all the variety of specimens I have from NWA and anyone who is interested can actually come and enjoy them also. I ve been asked if I can show what I have at the local fall fair I think its an excellent idea to bring them into schools and let childrens hold a star first hand and not look at it in a museum for 5 seconds and never experience them. the beauty of nature ought not be locked up and hoarded by those who can afford high priced ones alone ..There is lots to go around I m so thankful the price was in range where I didn t hesitate to get some rather than just keep looking and hoping someday to find one . Blessing UNWA for me perhaps someday I ll get some pieces classified and donate my 20 grams to the cause also without regret. I agree that perhaps alot more pairing could have been done I t could have been picked up more scientifically but it didn t happen and we won t turn back time to undo what has been done Make the best of the opportunity , I believe I'm doing that and there is nothing stopping anyone else either If I don t avail myself of it someone else will Simon _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
