Re: [meteorite-list] Patterns in Meteorwrong

2007-02-05 Thread Jason Utas

Hello All,
Regarding Widmanstatten patterns in meteorites and terrestrial iron...
The typical problem that most run into is with cosmically (or possibly
terrestrially) reheated/recrystallized irons that oftentimes share an
uncanny resemblance in structure to terrestrially manufactured metal.
In many cases, especially with some of the smaller NWA and Antarctican irons
(which tend to have odd physical characteristics and chemical traits), the
irons will exhibit only the faintest pattern, or sometimes simply a
fine-grained sparkly-looking etched surface.
This is macroscopically indistinguishable from the crystal patterns that
commonly form in metal that has been put through common manufacturing
practices, as it cools slowly enough to form a small crystal pattern that
makes up a remarkably similar physical appearance.
So, do terrestrial pieces of iron exhibit Widmanstatten patterns?
No, not really, but they can display something that's not too far off
Regards,
Jason



On 2/4/07, Steve Dunklee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:






I have found what looks similar to widmanstatten pattern in metal parts
especially rail car parts that have received years of pounding  under the
pressures involved with towing cars weighing around 263k lbs with a string
of 30 or more cars I imagine there is a lot of force involved. Most of the
ones I have observed are parallel lines radiating from the impact point. I
will have to check back thru my junk pile to see if I can find any . I am
sure there are probably some metalurgist around here that can direct you to
more information on stress fractures in metal.
Best regards
Steve


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Re: [meteorite-list] Patterns in Meteorwrong

2007-02-04 Thread Steve Dunklee
 
   
   
   
  I have found what looks similar to widmanstatten pattern in metal parts 
especially rail car parts that have received years of pounding  under the 
pressures involved with towing cars weighing around 263k lbs with a string of 
30 or more cars I imagine there is a lot of force involved. Most of the ones I 
have observed are parallel lines radiating from the impact point. I will have 
to check back thru my junk pile to see if I can find any . I am sure there are 
probably some metalurgist around here that can direct you to more information 
on stress fractures in metal.
  Best regards
  Steve
   

 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Patterns in Meteorwrong

2007-02-03 Thread Howard Steffic
I have a comment.  There is no Widmanstatten pattern in meteorwrongs.

End of discussion.

So, lets not start another BS tread that will be harder to endure than a 
stick in the eye.

Thanks


From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Patterns in Meteorwrong
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 11:10:37 -0500

Along the lines of the discussion on whether or not Widmanstatten patterns 
appear in non-
meteoric materials I have put up some pictures of a meteorwrong with 
definite crystalized
interior patterns.  Anyone have any cogent comments on this?  I'm quite 
interested...

http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/slag-closeup.jpg

Gary
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Re: [meteorite-list] Patterns in Meteorwrong

2007-02-03 Thread Gary K. Foote
Not trying to start a BS thread - just trying to understand what I am seeing.

Thanks for your input.

Gary

On 3 Feb 2007 at 9:23, Howard Steffic wrote:

 I have a comment.  There is no Widmanstatten pattern in meteorwrongs.
 
 End of discussion.
 
 So, lets not start another BS tread that will be harder to endure than a 
 stick in the eye.
 
 Thanks
 
 
 From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Patterns in Meteorwrong
 Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 11:10:37 -0500
 
 Along the lines of the discussion on whether or not Widmanstatten patterns 
 appear in non-
 meteoric materials I have put up some pictures of a meteorwrong with 
 definite crystalized
 interior patterns.  Anyone have any cogent comments on this?  I'm quite 
 interested...
 
 http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/slag-closeup.jpg
 
 Gary
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