Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[Joe]

Hello Ruben, Dave, and list, I do not want to sound like I am sticking up for anyone, but Steve already had this meteorite on Friday Oct 21st. Maybe Bob did not take the auction down in time, or maybe even not at all. I am sure it was all just a mistake. I do not know either of these guys, how ever I have talked to Steve a little through my forum. I am not sticking up for anyone, just trying to clear up a problem. I know that Steve had this meteorite on Friday, because he posted on my forum to go to his site and look at his new Canyon Diablo with a hole. You can go to the thread if you want to see for yourself. It is like the 5th reply( on the second page).http://illinoismeteorites.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1157416963/25#25Thanks,Joe Kerchnerhttp://illinoismeteorites.com- Original Message From: Dave Carothers [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:30:44 PMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!My "DO NOT BUY FROM..." list just got bigger.Dave- Original Message - From: "Ruben Garcia" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:59 PMSubject: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold! Hi List, Just thought everyone should be
 aware of the double dealing these two have been involved in.  Last Wednesday evening(Oct 18, 2006) Bob Evans sent a post to the Meteorite List with this heading. [meteorite-list] Ad- Collection meteorites Oriented  Iron with hole, Park Fores...   I immediately read his post and then looked at the Canyon Diablo with a hole that he had for sale. The Canyon D. looked good and so I hit the "Buy it Now". I then paid via Paypal and the transaction was done.   After a few minutes I emailed Bob asking him to add delivery confirmation and also to let me know when it was shipped as I wanted to watch for it.  I left town on Friday (it was another Glorieta weekend more on that later)still not having heard from Bob.   When I returned Sunday night I was shocked to see Steve had sent it in as the "Rocks From Space
 Picture of the Day" I then looked at Big Steves "Very brand new updated meteorite site" and he has the very same meteorite that I had bought and paid for. Its on his new to his collection page.  Of course I emailed both but neither has replied! I just checked my Paypal account and it does look like Bob canceled my payment so I don't think I'm out any money.  Just thought everyone should know.  p.s. On the bright side some lucky person that actually reads Big Steves ridiculous posts will get to buy it  a week or so at half the price!  Ruben Garcia__ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around  http://mail.yahoo.com  __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__
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Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[Dave Freeman mjwy]

But...but.Dirk, why do you pick on our poor stttevvv?
DF

drtanuki wrote:

  
Dear Ruben and List,
  Rubin you now have proof positive for eBay that
Big
Steve was selling outside of eBay and thus he can

  
  get
  
  
the
boot from eBaygood riddens!!!  Please follow
through with a complaint to eBay and save us from
all
of Big Steve`s auction postings.  Best, Dirk...Tokyo

--- Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  Hi All,
Bob, of coure Steve made an extraordinary trade
offer,
he is Steve Arnold! But once I hit the "Buy it
  

Now"


  and paid for it you didn't own it. I did.
The right thing to do was call up Big Steve and
  

tell


  him to contact me with his offer.
Ruben


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Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[JKGwilliam]

Suzi,
Your supposition would probably be correct if you were dealing with an
intelligent buyer possessing a few grams of integrity.
Best,
John Gwilliam
At 03:41 PM 10/23/2006, Platypus Girl wrote:
This is just my opinion, but it
seems to me that this simply could be some kind of mix-up, and we
shouldn't act too hastily. If intentional double-dealing were going
on, it doesn't seem likely that the meteorite would quickly be posted as
a meteorite of the day right out for everyone to see.


Suzi
Dave Carothers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


My DO NOT BUY FROM... list just got bigger.

Dave

- Original Message - 

From: Ruben Garcia 

To: 

Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:59 PM

Subject: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve
Arnold!


 Hi List,

 Just thought everyone should be aware of the double

 dealing these two have been involved in.

 

 Last Wednesday evening(Oct 18, 2006) Bob Evans sent a

 post to the Meteorite List with this heading.

 [meteorite-list] Ad- Collection meteorites Oriented 

 Iron with hole, Park Fores... 

 

 I immediately read his post and then looked at the

 Canyon Diablo with a hole that he had for sale. The

 Canyon D. looked good and so I hit the Buy it Now.
I

 then paid via Paypal and the transaction was done. 

 

 After a few minutes I emailed Bob asking him to add

 delivery confirmation and also to let me know when it

 was shipped as I wanted to watch for it.

 

 I left town on Friday (it was another Glorieta weekend

 more on that later)still not having heard from Bob. 

 

 When I returned Sunday night I was shocked to see

 Steve had sent it in as the Rocks From Space Picture

 of the Day I then looked at Big Steves Very
brand

 new updated meteorite site and he has the very same

 meteorite that I had bought and paid for. Its on his

 new to his collection page.

 

 Of course I emailed both but neither has replied! I

 just checked my Paypal account and it does look like

 Bob canceled my payment so I don't think I'm out any

 money.

 

 Just thought everyone should know.

 

 p.s.

 On the bright side some lucky person that actually

 reads Big Steves ridiculous posts will get to buy it 

 a week or so at half the price!

 

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Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[Dave]

Joe, 

As you have no doubt already seen on the list, Ruben had a contract with Bob at 
the instant he clicked on the Buy It Now option on eBay.  Steve called Bob 
AFTER the transaction had been completed with Ruben and ended up with the 
meteorite.  A slimey undertaking by both Steve and Bob.  Bob as the owner of 
the meteorite should be held primarily responsible for this fiasco as he backed 
out of his obligation and contract to Ruben.  Steve is also responsible as he 
went along with the trade knowing that the meteorite had been sold on eBay in 
the first place.

Dave

From: Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/10/23 Mon PM 10:13:38 CDT
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

Hello Ruben, Dave, and list,
    I do not want to sound like I am sticking up for anyone, but Steve already 
had this meteorite on Friday Oct 21st.  Maybe Bob did not take the auction 
down in time, or maybe even not at all. I am sure it was all just a mistake. I 
do not know either of these guys, how ever I have talked to Steve a little 
through my forum. I am not sticking up for anyone, just trying to clear up a 
problem.
    I know that Steve had this meteorite on Friday, because he posted on my 
forum to go to his site and look at his new Canyon Diablo with a hole. You can 
go to the thread if you want to see for yourself. It is like the 5th reply( on 
the second page).
http://illinoismeteorites.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1157416963/25#25
Thanks,
Joe Kerchner
http://illinoismeteorites.com


- Original Message 
From: Dave Carothers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:30:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

My DO NOT BUY FROM... list just got bigger.

Dave
- Original Message - 
From: Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:59 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!


 Hi List,
 Just thought everyone should be aware of the double
 dealing these two have been involved in.
 
 Last Wednesday evening(Oct 18, 2006) Bob Evans sent a
 post to the Meteorite List with this heading.
 [meteorite-list] Ad- Collection meteorites Oriented 
 Iron with hole, Park Fores... 
 
 I immediately read his post and then looked at the
 Canyon Diablo with a hole that he had for sale. The
 Canyon D. looked good and so I hit the Buy it Now. I
 then paid via Paypal and the transaction was done. 
 
 After a few minutes I emailed Bob asking him to add
 delivery confirmation and also to let me know when it
 was shipped as I wanted to watch for it.
 
 I left town on Friday (it was another Glorieta weekend
 more on that later)still not having heard from Bob. 
 
 When I returned Sunday night I was shocked to see
 Steve had sent it in as the Rocks From Space Picture
 of the Day I then looked at Big Steves Very brand
 new updated meteorite site and he has the very samebr meteorite that I 
 had bought and paid for. Its on hisbr new to his collection page.br 
 br Of course I emailed both but neither has replied! Ibr just checked 
 my Paypal account and it does look likebr Bob canceled my payment so I 
 don't think I'm out anybr money.br br Just thought everyone should 
 know.br br p.s.br On the bright side some lucky person that 
 actuallybr reads Big Steves ridiculous posts will get to buy it br a 
 week or so at half the price!br br Ruben Garciabr  br br 
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RE: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[JKGwilliam]

I agree with Dirk.  File the proper complaints along with copies of the 
self-incriminating emails and let Ebay bounce them.


John Gwilliam

At 08:23 PM 10/23/2006, drtanuki wrote:



 Dear Ruben and List,
  Rubin you now have proof positive for eBay that
Big Steve was buying outside of eBay and Big Bob was
selling outside of eBay, thus they can both get the
boot from eBaygood riddens!!!
  Please follow through with a complaint to eBay and
save us from all of Big Bob`s and Big Steve`s eBay
auction postings.
Best,
Dirk...Tokyo

  --- Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Hi All,
   Bob, of coure Steve made an extraordinary trade
   offer,
   he is Steve Arnold! But once I hit the Buy it
  Now
   and paid for it you didn't own it. I did.
   The right thing to do was call up Big Steve and
  tell
   him to contact me with his offer.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[drtanuki]

Dear Ruben and List,
  Thank you for your post.  I certainly wish others
would aire their less than honorable
purchasing/trading results with Big Steve and Bob
Evans, as well as Lars and Brad Sampson.  This would
certainly save headaches, money and anger; also this
might also serve others from having the same results. 
Perhaps some other List Members will openly aire their
dealing once reading your post.  
Best Regards, Dirk Ross..Tokyo  

--- Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi List,
 Just thought everyone should be aware of the double
 dealing these two have been involved in.
 
 Last Wednesday evening(Oct 18, 2006) Bob Evans sent
 a
 post to the Meteorite List with this heading.
 [meteorite-list] Ad- Collection meteorites Oriented
 
 Iron with hole, Park Fores... 
 
 I immediately read his post and then looked at the
 Canyon Diablo with a hole that he had for sale. The
 Canyon D. looked good and so I hit the Buy it Now.
 I
 then paid via Paypal and the transaction was done. 
 
 After a few minutes I emailed Bob asking him to add
 delivery confirmation and also to let me know when
 it
 was shipped as I wanted to watch for it.
 
 I left town on Friday (it was another Glorieta
 weekend
 more on that later)still not having heard from Bob. 
 
 When I returned Sunday night I was shocked to see
 Steve had sent it in as the Rocks From Space
 Picture
 of the Day I then looked at Big Steves Very brand
 new updated meteorite site and he has the very same
 meteorite that I had bought and paid for. Its on his
 new to his collection page.
 
 Of course I emailed both but neither has replied! I
 just checked my Paypal account and it does look like
 Bob canceled my payment so I don't think I'm out any
 money.
 
 Just thought everyone should know.
 
 p.s.
 On the bright side some lucky person that actually
 reads Big Steves ridiculous posts will get to buy it
 
 a week or so at half the price!
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[drtanuki]

 
 Dear Ruben and List,
   Rubin you now have proof positive for eBay that
 Big
 Steve was selling outside of eBay and thus he can
get
 the
 boot from eBaygood riddens!!!  Please follow
 through with a complaint to eBay and save us from
 all
 of Big Steve`s auction postings.  Best, Dirk...Tokyo
 
 --- Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi All,
  Bob, of coure Steve made an extraordinary trade
  offer,
  he is Steve Arnold! But once I hit the Buy it
 Now
  and paid for it you didn't own it. I did.
  The right thing to do was call up Big Steve and
 tell
  him to contact me with his offer.
  Ruben
  
  
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RE: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[drtanuki]

 Dear Ruben and List,
  Rubin you now have proof positive for eBay that
Big Steve was buying outside of eBay and Big Bob was
selling outside of eBay, thus they can both get the
boot from eBaygood riddens!!!
  Please follow through with a complaint to eBay and
save us from all of Big Bob`s and Big Steve`s eBay
auction postings.  
Best,
Dirk...Tokyo
 
  --- Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Hi All,
   Bob, of coure Steve made an extraordinary trade
   offer,
   he is Steve Arnold! But once I hit the Buy it
  Now
   and paid for it you didn't own it. I did.
   The right thing to do was call up Big Steve and
  tell
   him to contact me with his offer.
   Ruben
   
   
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[Dave Carothers]

My DO NOT BUY FROM... list just got bigger.

Dave
- Original Message - 
From: Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:59 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!


 Hi List,
 Just thought everyone should be aware of the double
 dealing these two have been involved in.
 
 Last Wednesday evening(Oct 18, 2006) Bob Evans sent a
 post to the Meteorite List with this heading.
 [meteorite-list] Ad- Collection meteorites Oriented 
 Iron with hole, Park Fores... 
 
 I immediately read his post and then looked at the
 Canyon Diablo with a hole that he had for sale. The
 Canyon D. looked good and so I hit the Buy it Now. I
 then paid via Paypal and the transaction was done. 
 
 After a few minutes I emailed Bob asking him to add
 delivery confirmation and also to let me know when it
 was shipped as I wanted to watch for it.
 
 I left town on Friday (it was another Glorieta weekend
 more on that later)still not having heard from Bob. 
 
 When I returned Sunday night I was shocked to see
 Steve had sent it in as the Rocks From Space Picture
 of the Day I then looked at Big Steves Very brand
 new updated meteorite site and he has the very same
 meteorite that I had bought and paid for. Its on his
 new to his collection page.
 
 Of course I emailed both but neither has replied! I
 just checked my Paypal account and it does look like
 Bob canceled my payment so I don't think I'm out any
 money.
 
 Just thought everyone should know.
 
 p.s.
 On the bright side some lucky person that actually
 reads Big Steves ridiculous posts will get to buy it 
 a week or so at half the price!
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[Bob Evans]

True Ruben,
Steve Arnold did make an extraordinary trade offer for the Canyon Diablo 
piece. One that I couldn't refuse.
He made it verbally over the phone and when I went to cancel the auction you 
had already bought the piece. I think it sold in less than 20 minutes after 
the auction started.

So I apologize for not canceling the auction before you bought the piece.
I also apologize for Steve Arnold for rubbing salt in your wounds by 
displaying the piece on the  Rocks from Space Picture of the Day.

You have your money back and my apologies.

Bob
- Original Message - 
From: Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 4:59 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!



Hi List,
Just thought everyone should be aware of the double
dealing these two have been involved in.

Last Wednesday evening(Oct 18, 2006) Bob Evans sent a
post to the Meteorite List with this heading.
[meteorite-list] Ad- Collection meteorites Oriented 
Iron with hole, Park Fores...

I immediately read his post and then looked at the
Canyon Diablo with a hole that he had for sale. The
Canyon D. looked good and so I hit the Buy it Now. I
then paid via Paypal and the transaction was done.

After a few minutes I emailed Bob asking him to add
delivery confirmation and also to let me know when it
was shipped as I wanted to watch for it.

I left town on Friday (it was another Glorieta weekend
more on that later)still not having heard from Bob.

When I returned Sunday night I was shocked to see
Steve had sent it in as the Rocks From Space Picture
of the Day I then looked at Big Steves Very brand
new updated meteorite site and he has the very same
meteorite that I had bought and paid for. Its on his
new to his collection page.

Of course I emailed both but neither has replied! I
just checked my Paypal account and it does look like
Bob canceled my payment so I don't think I'm out any
money.

Just thought everyone should know.

p.s.
On the bright side some lucky person that actually
reads Big Steves ridiculous posts will get to buy it
a week or so at half the price!

Ruben Garcia




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Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[wahlperry]

Hi Ruben,

You should know better to buy or trade with Bob! Another list member 
had problems dealing with you know who.I would just leave a negative 
reply on ebay so the word gets out. Like you said it will be up for 
sale in a week or two you might be able to buy it then.


Sonny



-Original Message-
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve 
Arnold!


True Ruben,
Steve Arnold did make an extraordinary trade offer for the Canyon 
Diablo piece. One that I couldn't refuse.
He made it verbally over the phone and when I went to cancel the 
auction you had already bought the piece. I think it sold in less than 
20 minutes after the auction started.
So I apologize for not canceling the auction before you bought the 
piece.
I also apologize for Steve Arnold for rubbing salt in your wounds by 
displaying the piece on the  Rocks from Space Picture of the Day.

You have your money back and my apologies.

Bob
- Original Message - From: Ruben Garcia 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 4:59 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve 
Arnold!



Hi List,
Just thought everyone should be aware of the double
dealing these two have been involved in.

Last Wednesday evening(Oct 18, 2006) Bob Evans sent a
post to the Meteorite List with this heading.
[meteorite-list] Ad- Collection meteorites Oriented 
Iron with hole, Park Fores...

I immediately read his post and then looked at the
Canyon Diablo with a hole that he had for sale. The
Canyon D. looked good and so I hit the Buy it Now. I
then paid via Paypal and the transaction was done.

After a few minutes I emailed Bob asking him to add
delivery confirmation and also to let me know when it
was shipped as I wanted to watch for it.

I left town on Friday (it was another Glorieta weekend
more on that later)still not having heard from Bob.

When I returned Sunday night I was shocked to see
Steve had sent it in as the Rocks From Space Picture
of the Day I then looked at Big Steves Very brand
new updated meteorite site and he has the very same
meteorite that I had bought and paid for. Its on his
new to his collection page.

Of course I emailed both but neither has replied! I
just checked my Paypal account and it does look like
Bob canceled my payment so I don't think I'm out any
money.

Just thought everyone should know.

p.s.
On the bright side some lucky person that actually
reads Big Steves ridiculous posts will get to buy it
a week or so at half the price!

Ruben Garcia




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Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[Platypus Girl]

This is just my opinion, but it seems to me that this simplycould be some kind of mix-up, and we shouldn't act too hastily. If intentional double-dealing were going on, it doesn't seem likely that the meteorite would quickly be posted as a "meteorite of the day" right out for everyone to see. Suzi  Dave Carothers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  My "DO NOT BUY FROM..." list just got bigger.Dave- Original Message - From: "Ruben Garcia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:59 PMSubject: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold! Hi List, Just thought everyone should be aware of the double dealing these two have been involved
 in.  Last Wednesday evening(Oct 18, 2006) Bob Evans sent a post to the Meteorite List with this heading. [meteorite-list] Ad- Collection meteorites Oriented  Iron with hole, Park Fores...   I immediately read his post and then looked at the Canyon Diablo with a hole that he had for sale. The Canyon D. looked good and so I hit the "Buy it Now". I then paid via Paypal and the transaction was done.   After a few minutes I emailed Bob asking him to add delivery confirmation and also to let me know when it was shipped as I wanted to watch for it.  I left town on Friday (it was another Glorieta weekend more on that later)still not having heard from Bob.   When I returned Sunday night I was shocked to see Steve had sent it in as the "Rocks From Space Picture of the Day" I then looked at Big Steves "Very
 brand new updated meteorite site" and he has the very same meteorite that I had bought and paid for. Its on his new to his collection page.  Of course I emailed both but neither has replied! I just checked my Paypal account and it does look like Bob canceled my payment so I don't think I'm out any money.  Just thought everyone should know.  p.s. On the bright side some lucky person that actually reads Big Steves ridiculous posts will get to buy it  a week or so at half the price!  Ruben Garcia __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around  http://mail.yahoo.com  __ Meteorite-list mailing list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[Ruben Garcia]

Hi All,
Bob, of coure Steve made an extraordinary trade offer,
he is Steve Arnold! But once I hit the Buy it Now
and paid for it you didn't own it. I did.
The right thing to do was call up Big Steve and tell
him to contact me with his offer.
Ruben


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