Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Hassles
they got the loan and they spent the money but it is someone else's fault for why they can not pay. Ebay is not going to hold anyone's hand and protect them, they simply offer the venue for the transactions to happen and if you rely on them to keep you totally safe you will never like ebay. No mall in the country is going to guarantee that you will never have items shoplifted and ebay offers no guarantee that your trades are safe. The mall provides security but you are ultimately responsible for your store. Same as on ebay and they tell you that upfront and remind you on almost every page, they offer workshops and help pages, what more do you need? As for ebay making a profit in two places, give me a break, that is capitalism at its best. I suppose it is underhanded for a doctor to have a practice at an office and also at a hospital that doctor would be charging for different services in two venues. Ebay is not different than any other publicly held corporation, they are out to make a buck, just like the rest of us. It is not a conspiracy, it is only common sense and business. Cover your ass at all times and you will be fine. Being on this list doesn't make me or anyone else a genius, but 90% of the IQ's here are above average in my estimation, Proud Tom included. That should make it easy to deal with the less fortunately brained amongst us. Personally I like ebay and paypal, and I think anyone here with cable internet access really should look into skype, it is the next thing in telecommunication. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Hassles [meteorite-list] eBay Hassles Gary K. Foote Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:10:48 -0800 wrote: Recently I ran some meteorite auctions on eBay. A winning bidder ignored invoices for 3 days past the payment deadline so I resold the item. Now this person keeps paying me, sometimes three times a day, despite my telling him over and over that he breached the contract and that the item is resold. I keep having to refund his $$$ every day. Anyone else ever have a problem like this? eBay says to talk to paypal. Paypal keeps saying to talk to eBay. Advice/experiences like this would be appreciated. The relationship between PayPal and eBay really bothers me. (I hate eBay you all know. Other than a couple of petrographic slides-- No meteorites from me sold there). eBay tells Gary to go to PayPal to settle the complaint, and PayPal says go to eBay. It is like the right hand does not know what the left is doing or vica versa. Now in light of that consider this: Does it not strike any as odd that you get a substantial eBay fee when you sell, and then you get another fee when the funds from eBay go into PayPal? Well, PayPal is owned by eBay. If so, this practice does not seem right. (Maybe the FTC should look into it.) Non auction items, not related to eBay, yes. eBay auction items sold and funds sent to PayPal (an eBay company)... NO! eBay gets funds going out, and they get funds going into their PayPal company. A double fee for one transaction! Now that is great business! Steve Schoner IMCA #4470 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Hassles
Steve, Paypal probably sent Gary to Ebay as they may not have understood the situation, either way if Gary knew about the bidders contact info sooner it may have all been resolved sooner. If it were me I certainly would have called the bidder the day his payment was late. I am not a set it and forget it seller. I scrutnize any bidder I have and often cancel bids from bidders with lots of negative feedback or bid withdrawls. But I digress. I have been here long enough to know you are an anti-ebay person and I respect your points, which are valid and figured I give the pitch a try. As for skype as I type this there are only 5,013,605 users onlin3e using skype. During the day that number almost doubles. I have not found the hitch yet in over a year of use. Anyways it was nice exchanging points with youstay safe. Mark M. Phoenix, AZ - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Hassles Mark, A company such as eBay (which I hate) has a right to make money. After all that is as you say capitalism. However it strikes at least half of my brain as strange that an auction house also has a bank. And that bank, PayPal such as Gary reported, sends him back to eBay for the resolution of his complaint, then eBay sends him back to Paypal. All the while BOTH are one and the same company, and BOTH have charged a fee for the service of dealing with his auction. (BTW: I don't think that doctors own banks, but maybe hospitals, and the services of each are quite different.) The few non meteorite items, Civil War artillery shells and such, that I have sold on eBay, then had funds deposited in PayPal it was an auction related sale. I think that the person that buys the item in an eBay auction is asked by PayPal that question when they transfer the funds. eBay INC gets funds from both ends, but does not recognize each other's hand (eBay=PayPal) in simple transaction? Since eBay is also PayPal, they should give eBay sellers a break. And more importantly, resolve a person's complaints. That is just my opinion. Steve Schoner IMCA #4470 P.S. I don't know about SKYPE. But since it is owned by eBay, I will be looking for the hitch. There always is when something appears to be free. -- Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, Ebay also owns Skype, the largest VOIP company going. Skype at any given time has over 8 MILLION users either on the phone or on a chat conference. My company uses Skype for international communication within our company and to interact with some of the biggest telecommunication/IP providers in the industry and it is 100% FREE. In fact shortly after Ebay bought Skype they opened up by allowing VOIP calls from any computer to ANY Land phone, unlimited calling to anywhere in the US and Canada for free. Thanks to ebays purchase of Skype, you can also buy an account to allow VOIP calls from any computer, to any phone in the US and or Canada for only $29.95 a YEAR and that is a year, not a month like Vonage. The free calling started last April and went through the end of the year and I can tell you that I personally spent hours on the phone to all of my relative during that time. I also use the Yearly service and have not paid for a long distance call in almost a year. Skype is also integrated into Ebay now and bidders can actually use it to contact you if they have questions. We have used it for a few expensive auctions and it was great. We had alot of calls and I think did better on those auctions because of skype but have no real hard evidence, just experience. Paypal may have its flaws and if used with reckless abandon it can be troublesome, follow the rules and do not keep too much money in paypals possession and you are fine. I have used paypal since it began and I personally have had absolutely no problems and have had to deal with some disputes via paypal, not all went my way but all were handled fairly. Paypal is not the end all but it is still safer and cheaper than accepting credit cards any other way. So not everything ebay is about or does is part of the axis of evil. Everything comes at a price, sometimes monetary sometimes in intangibles. Gary's situation is not unique. And ebay does not take sides, they do provide ways of dealing with bidders such as Gary's. Seven days after the auction he can file a dispute for non-payment. If the bidder replies to the dispute, good or bad at that point the seller can void the sale and instantly get all the fees back. Or the seller can wait to hear from a bidder and then decide. Ebay allows sellers to receive the bidders contact info as soon as the auction ends, Gary could have called the bidder the day the auction ended. On any auction over $300.00 we call the person the next business day and ask if they have any questions, tell them about how the item will be shipped
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Hassles
with the less fortunately brained amongst us. Personally I like ebay and paypal, and I think anyone here with cable internet access really should look into skype, it is the next thing in telecommunication. Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Hassles [meteorite-list] eBay Hassles Gary K. Foote Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:10:48 -0800 wrote: Recently I ran some meteorite auctions on eBay. A winning bidder ignored invoices for 3 days past the payment deadline so I resold the item. Now this person keeps paying me, sometimes three times a day, despite my telling him over and over that he breached the contract and that the item is resold. I keep having to refund his $$$ every day. Anyone else ever have a problem like this? eBay says to talk to paypal. Paypal keeps saying to talk to eBay. Advice/experiences like this would be appreciated. The relationship between PayPal and eBay really bothers me. (I hate eBay you all know. Other than a couple of petrographic slides-- No meteorites from me sold there). eBay tells Gary to go to PayPal to settle the complaint, and PayPal says go to eBay. It is like the right hand does not know what the left is doing or vica versa. Now in light of that consider this: Does it not strike any as odd that you get a substantial eBay fee when you sell, and then you get another fee when the funds from eBay go into PayPal? Well, PayPal is owned by eBay. If so, this practice does not seem right. (Maybe the FTC should look into it.) Non auction items, not related to eBay, yes. eBay auction items sold and funds sent to PayPal (an eBay company)... NO! eBay gets funds going out, and they get funds going into their PayPal company. A double fee for one transaction! Now that is great business! Steve Schoner IMCA #4470 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Hassles
[meteorite-list] eBay Hassles Gary K. Foote Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:10:48 -0800 wrote: Recently I ran some meteorite auctions on eBay. A winning bidder ignored invoices for 3 days past the payment deadline so I resold the item. Now this person keeps paying me, sometimes three times a day, despite my telling him over and over that he breached the contract and that the item is resold. I keep having to refund his $$$ every day. Anyone else ever have a problem like this? eBay says to talk to paypal. Paypal keeps saying to talk to eBay. Advice/experiences like this would be appreciated. The relationship between PayPal and eBay really bothers me. (I hate eBay you all know. Other than a couple of petrographic slides-- No meteorites from me sold there). eBay tells Gary to go to PayPal to settle the complaint, and PayPal says go to eBay. It is like the right hand does not know what the left is doing or vica versa. Now in light of that consider this: Does it not strike any as odd that you get a substantial eBay fee when you sell, and then you get another fee when the funds from eBay go into PayPal? Well, PayPal is owned by eBay. If so, this practice does not seem right. (Maybe the FTC should look into it.) Non auction items, not related to eBay, yes. eBay auction items sold and funds sent to PayPal (an eBay company)... NO! eBay gets funds going out, and they get funds going into their PayPal company. A double fee for one transaction! Now that is great business! Steve Schoner IMCA #4470 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Hassles
Hi Steve, It does seem that they are taking a double bite, but that is just business. Their inability to help me has been frustrating. I did, however, get an excellent piece of info from Mark M., who told me, You can request the bidders contact information on the advanced search screen on ebay. I tried it and it works. You input the eBay username and the item number for the auction and you get back the bidders contact info via email, phone number and all - and the bidder gets the same info. I've already used this to clear up a bad feedback I received. The seller mis-fed the info to my account instead of someone who had not paid. But I am still trying to get thru the the buyer who breached the contract and then insists on paying over and over again. We'll see if that one can be cleared up. Good info to have. Thanks Mark. Gary [meteorite-list] eBay Hassles Gary K. Foote Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:10:48 -0800 wrote: Recently I ran some meteorite auctions on eBay. A winning bidder ignored invoices for 3 days past the payment deadline so I resold the item. Now this person keeps paying me, sometimes three times a day, despite my telling him over and over that he breached the contract and that the item is resold. I keep having to refund his $$$ every day. Anyone else ever have a problem like this? eBay says to talk to paypal. Paypal keeps saying to talk to eBay. Advice/experiences like this would be appreciated. The relationship between PayPal and eBay really bothers me. (I hate eBay you all know. Other than a couple of petrographic slides-- No meteorites from me sold there). eBay tells Gary to go to PayPal to settle the complaint, and PayPal says go to eBay. It is like the right hand does not know what the left is doing or vica versa. Now in light of that consider this: Does it not strike any as odd that you get a substantial eBay fee when you sell, and then you get another fee when the funds from eBay go into PayPal? Well, PayPal is owned by eBay. If so, this practice does not seem right. (Maybe the FTC should look into it.) Non auction items, not related to eBay, yes. eBay auction items sold and funds sent to PayPal (an eBay company)... NO! eBay gets funds going out, and they get funds going into their PayPal company. A double fee for one transaction! Now that is great business! Steve Schoner IMCA #4470 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Hassles
Hi Gary, I think you should report an unpaid item to eBay before you relist or resell the item. If you still have no response within 7 days, you have the right to do what you want to do. And eBay will refund you the listing fees instantly. Hope this can help you a little bit All the best Miss Ma Lan Beijing China --- Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I ran some meteorite auctions on eBay. A winning bidder ignored invoices for 3 days past the payment deadline so I resold the item. Now this person keeps paying me, sometimes three times a day, despite my telling him over and over that he breached the contract and that the item is resold. I keep having to refund his $$$ every day. Anyone else ever have a problem like this? eBay says to talk to paypal. Paypal keeps saying to talk to eBay. Advice/experiences like this would be appreciated. Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
