Re: [meteorite-list] Effect of fall of dollar against Euro/ dirham's
Hi, Marketeers! Rob wrote: Wouldn't it be interesting if there was a futures market for meteorites? That would add some price stability... Like the futures market equivalents for bundled subprime loans, the credit insurers and their credit default slops? Buy them for pennies on the dollar. They helped a lot (not). Dave wrote: big oil is probably a good business to invest in at the moment... When everybody thinks a certain business is a good business to be in, the stock price is at a recent peak. You never buy a stock at its peak. Stocks never stay at their peaks; they fall off. If you wait and wait, maybe you can sell it again at the price you paid for it... someday. How can you make money that way? What you want to do is look around for a perfectly good business that is, however, NOT a good business to be in right this moment. [This is an example, not a recommendation.] Most of you know what flash memory is. That's the little card that goes in your camera to record the pictures on. It's the memory in Mp3 players and iPod Nano's and dozens of other devices. But these items are all consumer goods and folks are not buying consumer goods as fast as they used to, so the predictions for the growth of flash memory sales for the next year has fallen from a nearly 30% increase in sales to only a 7% increase. The herds of stock sheep have all run away from companies that make flash memory chips because they will probably have a low-growth year. Not a loss, just less growth. The largest maker of NAND flash chips in the US, SanDisk, had a stock price of nearly $60 last April. This April, a few days ago, it slipped down to $19.54 A smart buyer would know that after this current upset is over, consumer sales will rebound with pent up demand (I can finally that new Mp3 player!) and SanDisk will be selling flash memory as fast as they can make it. I know this about smart buyers because, sure enough, SanDisk popped back up to nearly $30 in just one day as the smart ones swooped in and snapped it up at $20 (and dumped it again at $30). The really smart ones will hold it back to $60. I use this example because I missed it. Drat! Michael wrote: I don't think anything will be available cheaper than it was at the height of the market 7 or 8 years ago... Markets are just accumulated psychology. Things will get worse through this year. In January 2009, we will have a major change in government that will propose a lot of changes they say will make things better. By spring 2009, many of them will become law. People will feel hopeful instead discouraged. They will feel better, and guess what? Things will get better. Accumulated psychology. Sympathetic magic. Everything will be worth more, says the science of economics, because they cost more. How do we know things will cost more? Things always cost more, as a function of time. Just dig up anybody over the age of 70 (with a working brain) and ask them what they once paid for a loaf of bread? A gallon of milk? Gasoline? A new car? (Answers to quiz: 11 cents, 50 cents, 19.9 cents, $1700.) The milk costs more because the cow costs more, the corn costs more, the gasoline to haul it costs more, and so forth. That, say the economists, is because they're worth more, whatever that means. Have you noticed any major improvements in cows? Corn? Gasoline? Me neither, but they're worth more now than they used to be. I'll bet those cows feel proud... As Rob pointed out, gasoline is worth just what it was in the 1970's. It only costs more because the dollar is worth less. As for what the dollar is worth, Americans love to blame the behavior of their government's debt policy. Government debt is just an investment: bonds are sold, interest is paid on them. Buyers of debt do not think the dollar is worthless; afterall, they are going to be paid that interest in the debtor nation's currency, and be repaid in them too. The US government is just doing what its citizens are doing: spending more money than we have. We have been spending more than our earnings for many decades, going increasingly into personal, not national debt. Michael wrote: You can't have it both ways - they [the US government] have been acting like a 15 year old with a credit card... No, it's the 15-year-olds with credit cards (and the 20-year-olds, and the 30-year-olds, and the 40-year-olds...) that have been acting like 15-year-olds with credit cards! If we just behaved this way with each other, it wouldn't matter. But we buy so much from overseas that trade deficits are working their way up to a trillion dollars a year. That, not government debt, devalues the dollar. Nations with positive savings rates (spend less than they earn) always have trade surpluses and strong currencies. Nations with negative savings rates (spend more than they earn) always have trade deficits and weak currencies. And the nations with positive savings rates, trade
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Re: [meteorite-list] Effect of fall of dollar against Euro/ dirham's
Rob wrote: Wouldn't it be interesting if there was a futures market for meteorites? That would add some price stability... DISCLAIMER: The below is only a personal opinion and should not be taken seriously. I am not responsible anyone screwing up because they want to speculate in a market that is entirely capitalized by Stackelberg competition. COMMENT: For once I completely agree with Sterling ... Where is the divine intervention to strike this folly down: futures would be thoroughly despicable as they would be perverted. They would amplify the gains and losses in speculation by leveraging personaly fortunes on price movements and abuse beyond anything we could imagine (Rob - wake up! Futures only work with disclosure and in near-perfect markets!) Friends in Chicago (Chicago is famous for futures trading) would lose there life savings in a heartbeat without ever even holding a meteorite! This would be the perfect scam as dealers could take and sell candy from babies -in the meaning of the cliche - not meant an insult: buyers are certainly mature, right?!). Not to mention that any Americans participating in such a scam could lose their shirt AND be sent to jail! If you have that inclination, two can always mutually obligate themselves to sell a specimen at a particular forward date for a given price. I.e., A promises to buy specimen X from B on future date Y for $X amount (or even a weight, as if dealing in potatoes). All settlement must occur only giving and giving what was agreed. No one can give money to buy a future contract or option for that matter ... The other method available is to simply sell something for a fixed price on lay-a-way (accepting gradual payments until paid off). This is just a form of credit and delivery of the specimen could be at any mutually agreed upon point during the transaction. A contentious area between friends is accepting a non-refundable deposit for a specimen where the balance will be paid at a future date. Unfortunately it is basically a disguised future option which effectively might circumvent the investment regulators. But those deposits can't be traded. They are one-on-one! So there are already enough simulated instruments to effectively annihilate anyone who would think about turning meteorites into gambling chips ... (And please don't give the Space Needle casino folks in Las Vegas any such literal ideas of making gambling chips out of such precious material!) Best wishes and Great Health, Doug -Original Message- From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Rob Matson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 3:09 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Effect of fall of dollar against Euro/ dirham's Hi, Marketeers! Rob wrote: Wouldn't it be interesting if there was a futures market for meteorites? That would add some price stability... Like the futures market equivalents for bundled subprime loans, the credit insurers and their credit default slops? Buy them for pennies on the dollar. They helped a lot (not). Dave wrote: big oil is probably a good business to invest in at the moment... When everybody thinks a certain business is a good business to be in, the stock price is at a recent peak. You never buy a stock at its peak. Stocks never stay at their peaks; they fall off. If you wait and wait, maybe you can sell it again at the price you paid for it... someday. How can you make money that way? What you want to do is look around for a perfectly good business that is, however, NOT a good business to be in right this moment. [This is an example, not a recommendation.] Most of you know what flash memory is. That's the little card that goes in your camera to record the pictures on. It's the memory in Mp3 players and iPod Nano's and dozens of other devices. But these items are all consumer goods and folks are not buying consumer goods as fast as they used to, so the predictions for the growth of flash memory sales for the next year has fallen from a nearly 30% increase in sales to only a 7% increase. The herds of stock sheep have all run away from companies that make flash memory chips because they will probably have a low-growth year. Not a loss, just less growth. The largest maker of NAND flash chips in the US, SanDisk, had a stock price of nearly $60 last April. This April, a few days ago, it slipped down to $19.54 A smart buyer would know that after this current upset is over, consumer sales will rebound with pent up demand (I can finally that new Mp3 player!) and SanDisk will be selling flash memory as fast as they can make it. I know this about smart buyers because, sure enough, SanDisk popped back up to nearly $30 in just one day as the smart ones swooped in and snapped it up at $20 (and dumped it again at $30). The really smart ones will hold it back to $60. I use this example because I missed it.
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 9, 2008
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Re: [meteorite-list] How Do You Know It's A Meteorite?
My answer is very simple - we don't know until a reputable lab says so. Some laymans are very hard to convince that their rock is worth not more than 1cent. So then I say my final argument :) I buy and sell meteorites, so if I dont like buy Your meteorite then it is propably not a meteorite. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)meteorite.pl http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) kosmos [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tom Phillips screen saver
If you haven't checked out Tom Phillips screen saver site you're missing a real treat! Hi list, You all know Paul (Meteorite Times) http://www.meteorite-times.com/meteorite_frame.htm He has put in a lot of time and created a new improved screen saver of my cross polarized light meteorite micrographs. It is available at Download.com and it is FREE. When I say Put in a lot of time I want you to know that it is not just loading photos into a canned program. He set up a saver that works well. Careful consideration was given to photo pixel size (bigger is better) V size of the whole file and down load times, hard drive space, etc. I think he has done a great job and because it is on Download.com it will be more accessible to the general public (that is not already into meteorites). Check it out and let the list know what you think. http://www.download.com/Amazing-Meteorites-Screensaver-2/3000-2400_4-10817913. html?tag=lst-2-7 Tom Phillips Jerry Flaherty __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] April Meteorite-Times now up (Thin section examination!)
Hi List, Each month I put a few images in an article called Micro Visions. This month I show the use of an inexpensive wave plate for meteorite thin section examination in cross polarized light. I have some very cool shots, but even better I have a series of 6 shots where I show one structure in bright field, standard full cross polarized light and then in rotation with the use of this wave plate. Please check it out. Tom Phillips In a message dated 4/8/2008 12:17:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greetings Everyone, The April Meteorite-Times is now up. http://www.meteorite-times.com/ Thank you again to all the writers! Paul and Jim __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list **Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000316) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Science tattoos
http://carlzimmer.typepad.com/ Haven't ran across a meteorite one (yet) but some are astronomy related, and many are cool. I've never had a tattoo, but I'd like some of these. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] European/US market comparison
Hi E.P. In Europe is going on more than you would expect! It only isn't noticed that much here on the US-list. I can speak only for Germany and there happened a lot in the very recent times, bringing meteorites to a broader attention. List member Dieter Heinlein designed and equipped a meteorite exhibition with accompanying booklet, which is on tour through museums and larger planetaria (planetariums?). Stephan Decker, dealer and collector, made last year also an exhibition. Famous meteorite hunter Haberer is travelling around with power point and slide shows about meteorites and his expeditions in Oman. Currently there is a special exhibition at the Planetarium/Observatory Berlin. Last year there was a larger thematic exhibition, 3d-show ect about Planet Mars at the planetarium/observatory Laupheim, also exhibiting Mars Meteorites. The meteorite section in the Nat.Hist.Museum of Berlin was restored and newly arranged. The Senckenberg-Museum in Frankfurt inherited the collections of the IMP Mainz/Heidelberg and will install a permanent meteorite exhibition. (Anyone involved here? When will it be ready?). We have the specialized meteorite fair in Gifhorn each year, and Ensisheim is only within a stone's throw from the boarder. The Munich show, as the largest fair in Europe is a meeting point for meteorites too. Last year at the Dortmund mineral show the principal topic was meteorites. With the Ries Crater Museum we have a museum, specialized in meteorites and craters only. The mighty curators and classifcators give talks and popular lectures about meteorites at popular observatories. Two new meteorite books were published, one a cool anthology of texts from all millennia and cultures related to meteorites - edited by list member Matthias Baermann. Second is a collection of various texts illuminating meteorites from different angles to come to a more philosophical and cultural view. A public internet forum was installed, and is still growing. The iron now found in Antarctica was introduced with a press conference, it was in all news, on tv, on radio, in the newspaper. Soon it will be on display in a museum in Munich here, accompanied by lectured, where the scientists will report about their experiences on the Antarctic hunt. In a few weeks, a course of popular lectures will be held by several meteoriticists in the Ries Crater, also with excursion to the crater formations. And a lot of museums, popular observatories and planetaria do have meteorites on display. A few years ago, the fall of Neuschwanstein was huge event, occupying the media for many months - and also later, when the additional pieces were found (and recently, when the lawsuit about the 3rd stone took place). Villalbeto was reported in media too, Carancas of course. Whenever a promising fireball as now over Switzerland and South-West Germany appears, Thomas Grau is making wind in regional newspaper to get as much eye-witnesses as possible. And finally almost no week, where there isn't any documentation in TV about meteorites, comets, impacts. In Austria list member Herbert Raab and the Austrian crew made an exhibition last year, and at present list member Klaus Tschernschitz is planning one. My guess would be museum sales of inexpensive slices But happened already, is happening all the time. Many gift shops of natural history museums or technical museums are offering here small Canyons, 869ers, Campos, as well as some planetarium shops, science centers and smaller and larger observatories too. But one special German problem we have, that most of those places with the highest visitor numbers don't run their shops by their own, but lease them to extern firms - often firms which run shops in several museums. (they aren't so clever here like in other countries, where the shops and an own marketing bring good money for the museums). And the people in these firms have a background as accountants and as booksellers. - But you can't run a store of a Nat.Hist.Museum like a store of an arts museum. - They have indeed no clues about scientific stuff, the assortments in such shops are uniform - and it costs a lot of stamina to convince them to try some meteorites. (If they finally take them, they see that they are working well and selling). Not so regional and smaller museums, astronomy clubs ect... So these small, inexpensive meteorites for meteoritical laymen are in Germany already available in many places. And not only small irons, or Campos/Nantans, which will rust away, so that the buyer never will want to have to do with meteorites again for the rest of his life, no meanwhile also Moon and Mars for a few bucks is available to them! Our notorious Moon and Mars boxes one can buy already in several museums, also large ones, planetaria, observatories in Germany (and in a dozen of other countries too), and we are very pleased with the sales figures so far. And therefore we see, that in principle there is a large potential of
[meteorite-list] Futures Market for Meteorites?
Wouldn't it be interesting if there was a futures market for meteorites? That would add some price stability... Heck no. No offense. But look at the stellar example that Wall Street provides - do we really want to model the meteorite market after a group of speculators whose ranks are swollen with people whose sole motivation is profit before integrity? As long as indictments are being handed down a weekly basis to Wall Street major players, I'd recommend we keep meteorites far away from profiteers in 3-piece suits whose sole interest is in the mighty dollar and not the magic of holding a space rock. While I agree that meteorites needs more consistency in their trade and pricing - modeling the market after Wall Street is not a good idea, IMO. Regards, MikeG [/high horse] ;) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 9, 2008
Hi Dave G. Michael J., Very nice! Thanks for the beautiful pseudo-oriented NWA 4554 treat for today's RFSPOD ... Did you mean pseudo-oriented? or super-oriented! The Bulletin states that there was only one piece classified: weighing 500 grams. Did 110 grams get broken off of the bottom? (It really doesn't look that way) Best wishes and Great Health, Doug -Original Message- From: Michael Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 6:36 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 9, 2008 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/April_9_2008.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] re How do you know it's a meteorite?
I get asked this question often - and I always split it in two - I say If you mean ,how do I personally know it's a meteorite?', then I reply, because I purchased it from a specialist dealer/university/museum or what ever... I then rapidly follow it up with if you mean how do _we_ as humans know it a space rock...? then I briefly explain just some of the tests (isotope ratios, age of material so on) That generally satisfies most questioners of all ages it seems - not ideal but when a neophyte is presented with a small piece of rock the size of a findgernail, it is often difficult to even make them understand that the rock they are holding is a fragment of a larger piece - I often get asked how do they find them when they're so small for example when holding a few milligrams of Martian. dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Part two - April 6 2008 Argentine fall
Hello again, Here's the confirmation of the real meteorite pieces found so far, they are fragile, and they think they will find more. The largest is the size of a fist, the other four so far ~3cm. The location reported of the find is: Colonia Verdú. http://www.larepublicadigital.com.ar/spip.php?article8956 Best wishes and Great Health, Doug __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] April 6, 2008 witnessed fall
Hi Listees, No one mentioned this? Apparently the meteorite that was reported and fell Sunday night in Argentina is already confirmed by several pieces. This earlier article shows the location, and here is a translation of the foreign tongue for Alfonso: http://www.clarin.com/diario/2008/04/08/sociedad/s-01646156.htm Nearby [Entre Rios] is the locality of Berduc, where the agricultural engineer Gabriela Preto told of the recovery of various pieces of black rocks, as if burned, that when scratched expose a metallic and silvered interior. They can't be cut, nor scratched with the finger. They will be analyzed by Mariano Petter, the director of the Enterriana Association of Astronomy, who is investigating this in the area. Best wishes and Great Health, Doug __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] My Futures Market for Meteorites? post
Hi Group! For the record, my last post about Wall Street and a possible futures market for meteorites was a poor attempt at humor and was meant as tongue in cheek. It was not intended to be a troll or to offend anyone. I sincerely apologize if anyone took offense. So everyone please call off the dogs and stop the vitriolic emails coming from day traders and attorneys who are foaming at the mouth for me right now. ;) Best regards, MikeG __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Part two - April 6 2008 Argentine fall
Hi Doug and list I just added it to my new falls page along with a picture and a link to a cool video showing some of the recovered stones. They sure look good to me. It just so happens I was already adding another fall from Turkey around March 7. That makes 4 possible falls this year already (second from Argentina)! I only include reports that include photos of the objects. http://jensenmeteorites.com/New%20meteorites.htm -- Mike -- Mike Jensen Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again, Here's the confirmation of the real meteorite pieces found so far, they are fragile, and they think they will find more. The largest is the size of a fist, the other four so far ~3cm. The location reported of the find is: Colonia Verdú. http://www.larepublicadigital.com.ar/spip.php?article8956 Best wishes and Great Health, Doug __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Futures Market for Meteorites?
Hateful personal attack from list member via email. This from an attorney. Very professional. What a crock. It's your ranks that are swollen with people sole motivation is profit before integrity. Integrity? In the Meteorite community? That's funny. It's your ranks are swollen with thieves, scammers, liers, con artists, and profiteers. And besides, everyone talks about the dollar value of their collections. Not much different from Beanie Babies. What you said was stupid. Show your proof! Indictments are NOT being handed down on a WEEKLY basis. Show us at least 70 major player indictments in the last year. You will never have controls in the meteorite markets when the supply of new and/or rare material is controlled by a few dealers that fix the prices. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] HiRISE Sees Phobos in Color and Stereo
FROM: Lori Stiles (520-626-4402; [EMAIL PROTECTED]) HiRISE Sees Phobos in Color and Stereo University of Arizona April 9, 2008 The High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment, run from The University of Arizona, has produced a new color stereo view of Phobos, the larger and inner of Mars' two tiny moons. The HiRISE camera aboard NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter took two images of Phobos 10 minutes apart on March 23. Scientists combined the images for a stereo view. Phobos is of great interest because it may be rich in water ice and carbon-rich materials, professor Alfred McEwen of the UA's Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, and HiRISE principal investigator, said. Previous spacecraft, notably Mars Global Surveyor, have taken higher resolution pictures of Phobos because they flew closer to it, HiRISE team member Nathan Bridges of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, in Pasadena, Calif., said. But the HiRISE images are higher quality, making the new data some of the best ever for Phobos, Bridges said. The new images will help constrain the origin and evolution of this moon. By combining information from the HiRISE camera's blue-green, red and near-infrared color channels, scientists confirmed that material around the rim of Phobos' largest surface feature, Stickney crater, appears bluer than the rest of Phobos. The impact that excavated 9-kilometer, or 5-and-a-half mile, Stickney is thought to have almost shattered the moon. If Phobos' surface is analogous with surface of our own moon, the bluer color could mean that the regolith is fresher, or hasn't been exposed to space as long as the rest of Phobos' surface has, Bridges said. The HiRISE view also shows landslides along the walls of Stickney and other large craters, Phobos' striking surface grooves and crater chains, and craters hidden on the moon's dark side illuminated by Marsshine. Marsshine is sunlight reflected by Mars onto the moon. The phenomenon is analogous to Earthshine, where Earth reflects sunlight that illuminates the dark side of our moon. Like Earth's moon, Mars' moons Phobos and Deimos are tidally locked on their planet that is, they always present the same side to the planet they orbit. The HiRISE images are among several new HiRISE images being released today on the HiRISE Web site at http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu. The images include an anaglyph, or 3-D view of Phobos that can be viewed with red-blue glasses. MRO flies at about 7,800 mph between 155 and 196 miles, or between 250 and 316 kilometers, above the surface of Mars. Phobos was 6,800 kilometers, or about 4,200 miles, away when the HiRISE camera took the first photograph. At that distance, the HiRISE camera was able to resolve surface features at a scale of 6.8 meters, or about 22 feet, per pixel, and see features as small as 20 meters, or 65 feet, across. Phobos was 5,800 kilometers, or about 3,600 miles, away when the HiRISE camera took the second picture minutes later. At that distance, the HiRISE camera was able to resolve features about 15 meters, or 50 feet, across. Phobos, only about 13 and a half miles, or 22 kilometers, in diameter, has less than one-thousandth the gravity of Earth. That's not enough gravity to pull the moon into a sphere, so it's oblong. Mars' second moon, Deimos, is even smaller, at about 7 and a half miles, or 12 kilometers, across. The very dark, diminutive moons may be captured asteroids from the outer, carbon-rich, Mars-Jupiter asteroid belt. The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter's Compact Reconnaissance Imaging Spectrometer for Mars, or CRISM, observed both Martian moons last year. By combining HiRISE and CRISM data on Phobos, scientists can map minerals and soil types on the moons. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, based in Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE camera. CONTACTS: Nathan Bridges (818-393-7799; [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Alfred McEwen (520-621-4573; [EMAIL PROTECTED]) MEDIA CONTACTS: Lori Stiles (520-626-4402; [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Guy Webster (818-354-6278; [EMAIL PROTECTED]) LINKS: HiRISE - http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter - http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MRO/main/index.html UA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory - http://www.lpl.arizona.edu __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - April 9, 2008
MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES April 9, 2008 o Phobos Imaged by HiRISE http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/phobos.php o Eroding Mesas Forming Seif and Barchan Dunes http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007676_1385 o Proposed MSL Landing Site in Mawrth Vallis - Ellipse 1 http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007678_2050 o Crater Floor Fan http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007696_1720 All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] My Futures Market for Meteorites? post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaKkuJVy2YA Howard Steffic Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 10:44:15 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My Futures Market for Meteorites? post Hi Group! For the record, my last post about Wall Street and a possible futures market for meteorites was a poor attempt at humor and was meant as tongue in cheek. It was not intended to be a troll or to offend anyone. I sincerely apologize if anyone took offense. So everyone please call off the dogs and stop the vitriolic emails coming from day traders and attorneys who are foaming at the mouth for me right now. ;) Best regards, MikeG __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_getintouch_042008 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] April 6, 2008 witnessed fall
OK, Armando it's duly noted pt sounded more like Platinum than Portugal to me - sorry... That thing of the allien language was a joke towards the high intelectuality of many of the specialists.:-) OK, but don't you wish you were the 29-year old specialist (this is the word used to describe him in the article), coordinator of the Astronomical Association there? Sorry for my terrible English: http://www.wikio.es/ciencia/astronomia?wfid=52312711 Armed with a magnet, some flashlights, sample tubes, a GPS locator, a computer, laptop with the land's topography and celestial objects, four members of the Astronomy Association went out without much hope to comb the ground. It's a version much less Hollywoodesque of Agent Mulder of the X-Files, he laughed. The celestial object that turned night into day last Sunday already has a name: meteorite. We're speaking of a meteoritethe size of a fist, 700 grams, in a well of a nursury in Colonia Berduc., in the Department of Colon, together with another five smaller pieces of three cm that were on the roof and in the shade The confirmation, in a completely informational report came with the excited voice of Mariano Andres Peter on the other end of the phone. Peter is the coordinator of the Entrerriana Association of Astronomy, the entity responsible for the searching and finding of a heavenly body that fell Sunday night in the Argentine province of Entre Rios. It has to do with a black burnt stone and very pulverized., a rock with a very fragile makeup and iron, that reveal it to be a meteorite for its high level of magnetism, explains Peter. As well, the Entrerriana Astronomical Association will study the fragments in the llaboratory to provide a final verification. The fragmentation of the celestial body en pieces, the enormous ground to cover, the topography of the swamplands, estuaries, and forests over which it fell make it a huge stroke of luck. We could've taken days, weeks, months or years, Peter realizes.In light of this, he considers that the find in less than 24 hours is a stroke of luck. The description, according to this 29-year old expert, explains why the incandescent object the size of a car that the locals saw in the sky broke into pieces before arriving on the ground. It is a very fragile material that could've fragmented in hundreds of pieces in different Argentine provinces he suggests. A judge from the municipality already has found that these meteorites- of some value in the National market- only can be used for investigation and scientific dissemination. So, the helicopters, mass media, and a group of astronomers have already bashed into the the lives of the rural residents of Villa Dominguez, Colon, and San Salvador, frightened by the very odd news. Best wishes and Great Health, Doug -Original Message- From: Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:36 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] April 6, 2008 witnessed fall Not for me, Doug. I don´t need translations, since my language is latin, too. That thing of the allien language was a joke towards the high intelectuality of many of the specialists.:-) Armando Afonso (no L, please) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 6:07 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] April 6, 2008 witnessed fall Hi Listees, No one mentioned this? Apparently the meteorite that was reported and fell Sunday night in Argentina is already confirmed by several pieces. This earlier article shows the location, and here is a translation of the foreign tongue for Alfonso: http://www.clarin.com/diario/2008/04/08/sociedad/s-01646156.htm Nearby [Entre Rios] is the locality of Berduc, where the agricultural engineer Gabriela Preto told of the recovery of various pieces of black rocks, as if burned, that when scratched expose a metallic and silvered interior. They can't be cut, nor scratched with the finger. They will be analyzed by Mariano Petter, the director of the Enterriana Association of Astronomy, who is investigating this in the area. Best wishes and Great Health, Doug __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Part two - April 6 2008 Argentine fall
Hi Mike, Thanks for the new page! keep up the good work. Sonny -Original Message- From: Mike Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:12 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Part two - April 6 2008 Argentine fall Hi Doug and list I just added it to my new falls page along with a picture and a link to a cool video showing some of the recovered stones. They sure look good to me. It just so happens I was already adding another fall from Turkey around March 7. That makes 4 possible falls this year already (second from Argentina)! I only include reports that include photos of the objects. http://jensenmeteorites.com/New%20meteorites.htm -- Mike -- Mike Jensen Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again, Here's the confirmation of the real meteorite pieces found so far, they are fragile, and they think they will find more. The largest is the size of a fist, the other four so far ~3cm. The location reported of the find is: Colonia Verdú. http://www.larepublicadigital.com.ar/spip.php?article8956 Best wishes and Great Health, Doug __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] HiRISE Sees Phobos in Color and Stereo
Fantastic pictures. On the picture focusing in close on Stickney crater, if you look at the left edge of the photo and about half way up or a little more, it looks like the camera caught an object in motion moving down the side away from the big crater creating another one of the long grooves. Almost looks like this moon and the debris on it are being influenced by some gravitational force, or? (Totally uneducated observations on my part though) Mike On Apr 9, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Ron Baalke wrote: FROM: Lori Stiles (520-626-4402; [EMAIL PROTECTED]) HiRISE Sees Phobos in Color and Stereo University of Arizona April 9, 2008 The High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment, run from The University of Arizona, has produced a new color stereo view of Phobos, the larger and inner of Mars' two tiny moons. The HiRISE camera aboard NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter took two images of Phobos 10 minutes apart on March 23. Scientists combined the images for a stereo view. Phobos is of great interest because it may be rich in water ice and carbon-rich materials, professor Alfred McEwen of the UA's Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, and HiRISE principal investigator, said. Previous spacecraft, notably Mars Global Surveyor, have taken higher resolution pictures of Phobos because they flew closer to it, HiRISE team member Nathan Bridges of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, in Pasadena, Calif., said. But the HiRISE images are higher quality, making the new data some of the best ever for Phobos, Bridges said. The new images will help constrain the origin and evolution of this moon. By combining information from the HiRISE camera's blue-green, red and near-infrared color channels, scientists confirmed that material around the rim of Phobos' largest surface feature, Stickney crater, appears bluer than the rest of Phobos. The impact that excavated 9- kilometer, or 5-and-a-half mile, Stickney is thought to have almost shattered the moon. If Phobos' surface is analogous with surface of our own moon, the bluer color could mean that the regolith is fresher, or hasn't been exposed to space as long as the rest of Phobos' surface has, Bridges said. The HiRISE view also shows landslides along the walls of Stickney and other large craters, Phobos' striking surface grooves and crater chains, and craters hidden on the moon's dark side illuminated by Marsshine. Marsshine is sunlight reflected by Mars onto the moon. The phenomenon is analogous to Earthshine, where Earth reflects sunlight that illuminates the dark side of our moon. Like Earth's moon, Mars' moons Phobos and Deimos are tidally locked on their planet – that is, they always present the same side to the planet they orbit. The HiRISE images are among several new HiRISE images being released today on the HiRISE Web site at http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu. The images include an anaglyph, or 3-D view of Phobos that can be viewed with red-blue glasses. MRO flies at about 7,800 mph between 155 and 196 miles, or between 250 and 316 kilometers, above the surface of Mars. Phobos was 6,800 kilometers, or about 4,200 miles, away when the HiRISE camera took the first photograph. At that distance, the HiRISE camera was able to resolve surface features at a scale of 6.8 meters, or about 22 feet, per pixel, and see features as small as 20 meters, or 65 feet, across. Phobos was 5,800 kilometers, or about 3,600 miles, away when the HiRISE camera took the second picture minutes later. At that distance, the HiRISE camera was able to resolve features about 15 meters, or 50 feet, across. Phobos, only about 13 and a half miles, or 22 kilometers, in diameter, has less than one-thousandth the gravity of Earth. That's not enough gravity to pull the moon into a sphere, so it's oblong. Mars' second moon, Deimos, is even smaller, at about 7 and a half miles, or 12 kilometers, across. The very dark, diminutive moons may be captured asteroids from the outer, carbon-rich, Mars-Jupiter asteroid belt. The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter's Compact Reconnaissance Imaging Spectrometer for Mars, or CRISM, observed both Martian moons last year. By combining HiRISE and CRISM data on Phobos, scientists can map minerals and soil types on the moons. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, based in Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE camera. CONTACTS: Nathan Bridges (818-393-7799; [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Alfred McEwen (520-621-4573; [EMAIL PROTECTED]) MEDIA CONTACTS: Lori Stiles (520-626-4402; [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Guy Webster (818-354-6278; [EMAIL PROTECTED]) LINKS: HiRISE - http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter - http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MRO/main/index.html UA Lunar and Planetary
Re: [meteorite-list] April 6, 2008 witnessed fall-clarification
Addendum, Hi Listees, I got this question privately. As strictly a news messenger, here is what I think: It hit a well? Wow! Actually, the word well is probably best translated as simply a hole (which is well, a natural well). I don't think the human constructed variety, though the other fragment(s) on the roof seems to indicate heavenly target practice. Probably, the 700 g specimen made a small tunnel in the peat or wet soil of the nursury grounds impact hole of the plop in the mud type. Seems the 700 gram piece tunneled a (fore)arm's length into the ground - so probably the hole was made by the rock. But this is tentative news. It could be all wet, and the suspected meteorite probably was, too. Best wishes and Great Health, Doug == OK, but don't you wish you were the 29-year old specialist (this is the word used to describe him in the article), coordinator of the Astronomical Association there? Sorry for my terrible English: http://www.wikio.es/ciencia/astronomia?wfid=52312711 Armed with a magnet, some flashlights, sample tubes, a GPS locator, a computer, laptop with the land's topography and celestial objects, four members of the Astronomy Association went out without much hope to comb the ground. It's a version much less Hollywoodesque of Agent Mulder of the X-Files, he laughed. The celestial object that turned night into day last Sunday already has a name: meteorite. We're speaking of a meteoritethe size of a fist, 700 grams, in a well of a nursury in Colonia Berduc., in the Department of Colon, together with another five smaller pieces of three cm that were on the roof and in the shade The confirmation, in a completely informational report came with the excited voice of Mariano Andres Peter on the other end of the phone. Peter is the coordinator of the Entrerriana Association of Astronomy, the entity responsible for the searching and finding of a heavenly body that fell Sunday night in the Argentine province of Entre Rios. It has to do with a black burnt stone and very pulverized., a rock with a very fragile makeup and iron, that reveal it to be a meteorite for its high level of magnetism, explains Peter. As well, the Entrerriana Astronomical Association will study the fragments in the llaboratory to provide a final verification. The fragmentation of the celestial body en pieces, the enormous ground to cover, the topography of the swamplands, estuaries, and forests over which it fell make it a huge stroke of luck. We could've taken days, weeks, months or years, Peter realizes.In light of this, he considers that the find in less than 24 hours is a stroke of luck. The description, according to this 29-year old expert, explains why the incandescent object the size of a car that the locals saw in the sky broke into pieces before arriving on the ground. It is a very fragile material that could've fragmented in hundreds of pieces in different Argentine provinces he suggests. A judge from the municipality already has found that these meteorites- of some value in the National market- only can be used for investigation and scientific dissemination. So, the helicopters, mass media, and a group of astronomers have already bashed into the the lives of the rural residents of Villa Dominguez, Colon, and San Salvador, frightened by the very odd news. Best wishes and Great Health, Doug -Original Message- From: Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:36 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] April 6, 2008 witnessed fall Not for me, Doug. I don´t need translations, since my language is latin, too. That thing of the allien language was a joke towards the high intelectuality of many of the specialists.:-) Armando Afonso (no L, please) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 6:07 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] April 6, 2008 witnessed fall Hi Listees, No one mentioned this? Apparently the meteorite that was reported and fell Sunday night in Argentina is already confirmed by several pieces. This earlier article shows the location, and here is a translation of the foreign tongue for Alfonso: http://www.clarin.com/diario/2008/04/08/sociedad/s-01646156.htm Nearby [Entre Rios] is the locality of Berduc, where the agricultural engineer Gabriela Preto told of the recovery of various pieces of black rocks, as if burned, that when scratched expose a metallic and silvered interior. They can't be cut, nor scratched with the finger. They will be analyzed by Mariano Petter, the director of the Enterriana Association of Astronomy, who is investigating this in the area. Best wishes and Great Health, Doug __
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[meteorite-list] HiRISE Sees Phobos in Color and Stereo
Hi Ron List, Wow! Simply stunning! Thanks for sharing Ron. Best regards, Charley Butterfield Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's try elephants ! Hannibal Message: 8 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:29:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] HiRISE Sees Phobos in Color and Stereo To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com (Meteorite Mailing List) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 FROM: Lori Stiles (520-626-4402; [EMAIL PROTECTED]) HiRISE Sees Phobos in Color and Stereo University of Arizona April 9, 2008 The High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment, run from The University of Arizona, has produced a new color stereo view of Phobos, the larger and inner of Mars' two tiny moons. snip __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] April 6, 2008 witnessed fall
Hi Doug and list. Before anyone start packing to fly down to Argentina, be aware that there is a new law (from December 2007) and ALL THE NEW METEORITES ARE NOW ARGENTINE HERITAGE. So they can not be exported without goverment papers. I was not able to see any stones yet (I'm having a hard week). If I have any confirmation I will let you know. Eduardo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:07:41 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] April 6, 2008 witnessed fall Hi Listees, No one mentioned this? Apparently the meteorite that was reported and fell Sunday night in Argentina is already confirmed by several pieces. This earlier article shows the location, and here is a translation of the foreign tongue for Alfonso: http://www.clarin.com/diario/2008/04/08/sociedad/s-01646156.htm Nearby [Entre Rios] is the locality of Berduc, where the agricultural engineer Gabriela Preto told of the recovery of various pieces of black rocks, as if burned, that when scratched expose a metallic and silvered interior. They can't be cut, nor scratched with the finger. They will be analyzed by Mariano Petter, the director of the Enterriana Association of Astronomy, who is investigating this in the area. Best wishes and Great Health, Doug __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] April 6, 2008 witnessed fall-clarification
It did not hit a well, it was found in a hole. Just wrong translation Eduardo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:42:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] April 6, 2008 witnessed fall-clarification Addendum, Hi Listees, I got this question privately. As strictly a news messenger, here is what I think: It hit a well? Wow! Actually, the word well is probably best translated as simply a hole (which is well, a natural well). I don't think the human constructed variety, though the other fragment(s) on the roof seems to indicate heavenly target practice. Probably, the 700 g specimen made a small tunnel in the peat or wet soil of the nursury grounds impact hole of the plop in the mud type. Seems the 700 gram piece tunneled a (fore)arm's length into the ground - so probably the hole was made by the rock. But this is tentative news. It could be all wet, and the suspected meteorite probably was, too. Best wishes and Great Health, Doug == OK, but don't you wish you were the 29-year old specialist (this is the word used to describe him in the article), coordinator of the Astronomical Association there? Sorry for my terrible English:  http://www.wikio.es/ciencia/astronomia?wfid=52312711  Armed with a magnet, some flashlights, sample tubes, a GPS locator, a computer, laptop with the land's topography and celestial objects, four members of the Astronomy Association went out without much hope to comb the ground. It's a version much less Hollywoodesque of Agent Mulder of the X-Files, he laughed.  The celestial object that turned night into day last Sunday already has a name: meteorite. We're speaking of a meteoritethe size of a fist, 700 grams, in a well of a nursury in Colonia Berduc., in the Department of Colon, together with another five smaller pieces of three cm that were on the roof and in the shade The confirmation, in a completely informational report came with the excited voice of Mariano Andres Peter on the other end of the phone.  Peter is the coordinator of the Entrerriana Association of Astronomy, the entity responsible for the searching and finding of a heavenly body that fell Sunday night in the Argentine province of Entre Rios. It has to do with a black burnt stone and very pulverized., a rock with a very fragile makeup and iron, that reveal it to be a meteorite for its high level of magnetism, explains Peter. As well, the Entrerriana Astronomical Association will study the fragments in the llaboratory to provide a final verification.  The fragmentation of the celestial body en pieces, the enormous ground to cover, the topography of the swamplands, estuaries, and forests over which it fell make it a huge stroke of luck. We could've taken days, weeks, months or years, Peter realizes.In light of this, he considers that the find in less than 24 hours is a stroke of luck.  The description, according to this 29-year old expert, explains why the incandescent object the size of a car that the locals saw in the sky broke into pieces before arriving on the ground. It is a very fragile material that could've fragmented in hundreds of pieces in different Argentine provinces he suggests.  A judge from the municipality already has found that these meteorites- of some value in the National market- only can be used for investigation and scientific dissemination. So, the helicopters, mass media, and a group of astronomers have already bashed into the the lives of the rural residents of Villa Dominguez, Colon, and San Salvador, frightened by the very odd news.  Best wishes and Great Health, Doug         -Original Message- From: Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:36 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] April 6, 2008 witnessed fall  Not for me, Doug.  I don´t need translations, since my language is latin, too.  That thing of the allien language was a joke towards the high intelectuality of many of the specialists.:-)  Armando Afonso (no L, please)    - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com  Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 6:07 PM  Subject: [meteorite-list] April 6, 2008 witnessed fall    Hi Listees,    No one mentioned this?    Apparently the meteorite that was reported and fell Sunday night in Argentina is already confirmed by several pieces. This earlier article shows the location, and here is a translation of the foreign tongue for Alfonso:    http://www.clarin.com/diario/2008/04/08/sociedad/s-01646156.htm    Nearby [Entre Rios] is the locality of Berduc, where the agricultural engineer Gabriela
[meteorite-list] NEW Argentina Meteorite Law
Yes, Eduardo is correct. There is a new law in Argentina that makes all new FALLS and FINDS national property. Technically, it makes them 'cultural heritage artifacts'. This means they will fall under UNESCO laws and they can issue Interpol arrest warrants that are recognized by most countries. Argentina has a track record of aggressively hunting down fossil dealers who illegally export fossils which also are 'cultural heritage artifacts'. They have issued int'l warrants and nabbed fossil dealers. This is one country you don't want to cross. Do not confuse their ability to enforce a NATIONAL law with the ineffective Chaco provincial law that was supposed to stop Campos from leaving the province. I went to Santa Lucia last month to recover the January 24, 2008 fall. I had great success in recovering both material (2.23kg) and data (GPS and 1.25 hours of video) on the fall. What I didn't know was that in December 2007 a new law was passed. I've been in contact with the government to find a good solution the situation. They knew the law was new and that I likely didn't know about it. So far, the government has been quite resonable, and they care about meteorites and their conservation. I will likely return some of my material, for the greater good of the meteorite community with Argentina. As a member of IMCA, I believe I need to follow a very ethical path to benefit all who come after me. If the meteorite community behaves properly as new law is interpreted, we can influence the law to go the way of Canada or Australia and not down the path of the Dark Side like India. I have strongly suggested to them that they offer rewards on new falls, not just seize them like India. If we do this right, we may be allowed in on new falls working with the National Museum. If we do this wrong, meteorite collectors will become a plague to them and they will hunt us and arrest us in the future. Please, just let this fall go, and let Eduardo and I establish the ground rules with the Argentine government. -mt IMCA 2760 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Futures Market for Meteorites?
--- Michael Gilmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't it be interesting if there was a futures market for meteorites? That would add some price stability... The nature of meteorites is not the same. The random nature of their arrival makes the whole thing unpredictable. Can you imagine if a 1969 situation like Allende and Murchison arriving in close sucession happened today? Especially if they both happened to come down over the eastern seaboard of the USA, oe Europe? You can bet that would increase interest, particularly if one was a large iron that rained several hundred tons over a populated area. Interest may be piqued but what'd it do to prices? What if I discovered a 50,000 ton vein of gold under my croft while planting my potatoes tomorrow. That'd not do much for the economy. In the few years I've been collecting, I've found that the price is high to start with, goes down as more becomes available and then rises as it becomes scarcer. I'm sure someone could quote me exceptions but this is a pattern I've noticed. The prices may not be steady but the trend seems stable. Buyer beware, it's a question of timing. Though I wouldn't want to be a dealer either. Collectors are sharks. Rob McC __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Auctions Ending The New Improved MeteoriteWatch.com is LIVE!
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[meteorite-list] OT: searching for sands from Namibia and other deserts where meteorites have been found
Dear List, I am seeking persons that can help supply sand samples for research of known locations (GPS or LAT/LON) from Namibia and other deserts where meteorites have been found. Anyone that can help please contact me off list. Thank you. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Science tattoos
Now that's art with ..! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 11:00 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Science tattoos http://carlzimmer.typepad.com/ Haven't ran across a meteorite one (yet) but some are astronomy related, and many are cool. I've never had a tattoo, but I'd like some of these. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Futures Market for Meteorites?
Come on Rob! I think for the utmost part of the collectorship, no matter if they're buying huge pieces or micromounts, the economical value (especially the short-time value) of a piece is its least interesting aspect. Meteorites are nutriment for the soul, for the intellect, they are excitement and joy. They are an extra in life. Or am I going so wrong with that opinion, is that t romantic? Though I wouldn't want to be a dealer either. Collectors are sharks. Said the above, I can't confirm. Sharks are exception, most are koi carps, each in his own way. But now I have to go fishing... Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Rob McCafferty Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 00:49 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Futures Market for Meteorites? --- Michael Gilmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't it be interesting if there was a futures market for meteorites? That would add some price stability... The nature of meteorites is not the same. The random nature of their arrival makes the whole thing unpredictable. Can you imagine if a 1969 situation like Allende and Murchison arriving in close sucession happened today? Especially if they both happened to come down over the eastern seaboard of the USA, oe Europe? You can bet that would increase interest, particularly if one was a large iron that rained several hundred tons over a populated area. Interest may be piqued but what'd it do to prices? What if I discovered a 50,000 ton vein of gold under my croft while planting my potatoes tomorrow. That'd not do much for the economy. In the few years I've been collecting, I've found that the price is high to start with, goes down as more becomes available and then rises as it becomes scarcer. I'm sure someone could quote me exceptions but this is a pattern I've noticed. The prices may not be steady but the trend seems stable. Buyer beware, it's a question of timing. Though I wouldn't want to be a dealer either. Collectors are sharks. Rob McC __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Science tattoos
Here is a photo of my fireball tattoo: http://members.aol.com/meteorhntr/tatoo.jpg Steve Arnold Arkansas **Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000316) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Science tattoos
And I need some galaxies on my belly, Then I can demonstrate the expanding universe. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 02:30 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Science tattoos Here is a photo of my fireball tattoo: http://members.aol.com/meteorhntr/tatoo.jpg Steve Arnold Arkansas **Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000316) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Science tattoos
EXCELLENT! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Science tattoos And I need some galaxies on my belly, Then I can demonstrate the expanding universe. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 02:30 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Science tattoos Here is a photo of my fireball tattoo: http://members.aol.com/meteorhntr/tatoo.jpg Steve Arnold Arkansas **Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000316) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Science tattoos - Ground-up
They ground-up pieces of a meteorite to make their tattoos even more powerful. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/06/0618_040618_tvtattoo_2.html Tim Heitz - Original Message - From: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Science tattoos Now that's art with ..! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 11:00 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Science tattoos http://carlzimmer.typepad.com/ Haven't ran across a meteorite one (yet) but some are astronomy related, and many are cool. I've never had a tattoo, but I'd like some of these. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Futures Market for Meteorites?
A comunist dealer??? :-) - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Futures Market for Meteorites? Wouldn't it be interesting if there was a futures market for meteorites? That would add some price stability... Heck no. No offense. But look at the stellar example that Wall Street provides - do we really want to model the meteorite market after a group of speculators whose ranks are swollen with people whose sole motivation is profit before integrity? As long as indictments are being handed down a weekly basis to Wall Street major players, I'd recommend we keep meteorites far away from profiteers in 3-piece suits whose sole interest is in the mighty dollar and not the magic of holding a space rock. While I agree that meteorites needs more consistency in their trade and pricing - modeling the market after Wall Street is not a good idea, IMO. Regards, MikeG [/high horse] ;) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] April 6, 2008 witnessed fall
Not for me, Doug. I don´t need translations, since my language is latin, too. That thing of the allien language was a joke towards the high intelectuality of many of the specialists.:-) Armando Afonso (no L, please) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 6:07 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] April 6, 2008 witnessed fall Hi Listees, No one mentioned this? Apparently the meteorite that was reported and fell Sunday night in Argentina is already confirmed by several pieces. This earlier article shows the location, and here is a translation of the foreign tongue for Alfonso: http://www.clarin.com/diario/2008/04/08/sociedad/s-01646156.htm Nearby [Entre Rios] is the locality of Berduc, where the agricultural engineer Gabriela Preto told of the recovery of various pieces of black rocks, as if burned, that when scratched expose a metallic and silvered interior. They can't be cut, nor scratched with the finger. They will be analyzed by Mariano Petter, the director of the Enterriana Association of Astronomy, who is investigating this in the area. Best wishes and Great Health, Doug __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Effect of fall of dollar against Euro/ dirham's
I am in Washington DC at this moment, working out an exchange with the Smithsonian. I just walked by the White House and IRS building less than an hour ago, and the protesters made me smile, at least some people are disgusted by the way the current administration has pissed away our nation's wealth and set us back for decades. Michael Blood is absolutely correct, I see the same thing on ebay, I have many dealers bidding on my meteorite, why? Well, they often sell cheaper than you could buy them from the source for. The meteorite market is doing well, prices are higher, supply is dropping faster than the California salmon run, and it shows no sign of doing anything but getting harder and harder to get nice meteorites. Michael Farmer --- david freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List; I agree with Michael. It is a number of issues, one being U.S. debt and taxing makes money tight as does war. Another as Michael puts it is the cost of bread, milk, and eggs, and gasoline which the common folks need, and compete with the meteorite collector in for pricing. Meteorite collector: can I afford an extra $50 a week in energy, food, and other costs and continue to spend my normal amount on my collecting hobby? We Americans collect more than just meteorites. We also collect food and energy and historically at a disportinate rate to other civilized nations. Our food and energy costs are very high now, and intertwined deeply with each other. As other economies rise, the U.S. economy is equalizing, meaning we are in finincial decline. Less money is expendable to collect stamps, second and third cars, METEORITES, bread, milk,and eggs. This decline in business is not just in the meteorite sector. I think big oil is probably a good business to invest in at the moment, but with an election coming soon, maybe not so either. Thanks Michael for the comment. --- Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/8/08 6:44 AM, habibi abdelaziz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: let's hope the dollar will be back high , if not and the trend of the dollar continue this way ; we will have a closed market in nwa.or an expenssive meteorite market. Hi Aziz, We have a strange shift going on in the US. The Republican Party Used to stand for conservative economic spending by the government And the Democratic Party had a reputation of tax and spend on social Programs. However, the past 15 years everything is turning upside down. Clinton brought the national debt down to only 1 trillion $(from a previous 4 when he took office). That made the dollar strong. However, we have had someone who was supposed to be a conservative drive up the national debt to over 7 TRILLION Dollars over the last 7 years, and the result is a very weak dollar. (this is quite easily accomplished when you cut taxes and expand spending) So much for small government - though We do hire out for some of the more important functions. Unfortunately, your comment about what will happen if the dollar Does not get stronger has already happened. It was plain as day at the Last Tucson Show. Prices were the highest I have ever seen since the Flood of African material started. Prices on much of the historic material was actually higher than before the NWA flood and, of course, the NWA Material is at an all time low in volume and high in prices. Someone actually complained that my auction was ruined because So many dealers were buying so much (actually, only about 30%) that They were outbidding collectors. The difference was that the dealers SEE What is happening - and when things are cheaper at the auction than can Be had wholesale they have to bid on it. Clearly, many collectors are in denial and just don't accept that market prices bottomed out 2 years ago And have been on the climb and that cline has steepened the last year Quite a bit. Before long, I don't think anything will be available cheaper Than it was at the height of the market 7 or 8 years ago. Of course, bread, Butter, rent and certainly gas are not nearly as cheap as they were 8 years Ago, either. I just hope Clinton wasn't a one time aberration and at least one of the parties will be financially conservative! If the government wants to Spend $ they will have to tax to pay for it - or, do what they have done the Last 7 years and just print more, which MUST result in a decline in the Value of the dollar. You can't have it both ways - they have been acting like a 15 year old with a credit card. What I don't understand is why there are not more Europeans buying Meteorites from US dealers? With the Euro so strong against the dollar, what An opportunity. Any Europeans out there got an answer? Best wishes, Michael 'Your living is
Re: [meteorite-list] Science tattoos
Hi All, Martin, I love it! Only you can think of that! I wanted to at one time get a shooting star tattoo, but never really found one that I liked. I like yours Steve. Its pretty far out! With best regards, Moni From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 02:38:05 +0200 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Science tattoos And I need some galaxies on my belly, Then I can demonstrate the expanding universe. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. April 2008 02:30 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Science tattoos Here is a photo of my fireball tattoo: http://members.aol.com/meteorhntr/tatoo.jpg Steve Arnold Arkansas **Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000316) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
