Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE
Hi Darryl, at the risk this was already mentioned in a previous post: http://www.uloc.de/screenshots/h/habf17_04_meteorit_marge_ohne_haare.jpg Undoubtedly an icon of pop culture (and my favourite smoking meteorite). Source: The Simpsons: Married to the Blob, Treehouse Of Horror XVII, David Silverman Matthew C. Faughnan, 2006 Cheers Svend lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu hat am 13. März 2010 um 05:50 geschrieben: Hi Darryl: If we are doing cult, I think that there is a scene of a puddle of water that something appears to have fallen in. Later, who can forget Levi Stubbs singing I'm a Mean Green Mother From Outer Space: Little Shop of Horrors. Also, there is Bart's Comet (do not remember seeing that go by). Larry Hi Everyone, I'm attempting to create a comprehensive list of pop cultural references in recent years in which meteorites appear in a supporting or lead role. I'm primarily looking at works of fiction but scientific references of the pop cultural ilk will be similarly welcome. Looking for films, TV, books, etc. Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks so much, and wishing you a good weekend, Darryl __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Diamond Rich Ureilite and more
Dear List Members, I have a Ureilite NWA 6069 Main Mass for sale (currently on eBay). My last study show that it is diamond #8211; rich ureilite. I found many diamonds (using Raman Spectroscopy) also Lonsdaleite (hexagonal diamond), shocked stage - low it means that it is very interesting ureilite (low shock stage and contain diamonds..). Here photos : http://picasaweb.google.pl/illaenus/Ureilite1877Grams# And eBay auction : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190374636011ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT It is the last opportunity to buy whole stone (one of biggest available on market), before cutting this specimen into slices. Also I have nice unclas. NWA almost 12 kg specimen full crusted (all primary crust), fresh inside, some desert calitche and little sand blasted crust. But specimen looks really good : http://picasaweb.google.pl/illaenus/NWA12Kg# And many other NWA, like : http://picasaweb.google.pl/illaenus/NWA42Kg# Or : http://picasaweb.google.pl/illaenus/NWA48Kg# more on request. Any question please write to illae...@gmail.com Kind Regards Tomasz Jakubowski IMCA #2321 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 13, 2010
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Re: [meteorite-list] Why isnt documenting meteorites stressed enough?
If they see that the Meteorite Men are at these secret locations, this secrecy can perpetuates the lack of importance of documentation, they no better and are only doing what is seen on TV. I may be wrong, but it seemed to me that with each episode, there were scenes of Geoff and Steve going over maps that showed individual finds or a bunch of them. I got the impression without much brain twisting that these positions were found with the use of a GPS or plotting on topog maps by someone at one time or another. There was some secrecy with maps to the extent that I assumed they were hiding the locations of meteorite finds. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Why isnt documenting meteorites stressed enough?
Shawn, During that episode in the dry lake bed you speak of. Remember the part where they talk about the rocks moving around through the years and how they appear in areas that have already been searched? This has already been pointed out as another reason co-ords have little relevance. because they do move around. Whether by wind, rain , flood , whatever. The point is that they do move around after landing. And based on our active planet they may move great distances. Remember the post the other day with the fish raining down? The fact that it happened is notable. the co-ords are not of much scientific importance. Why, Because it was as random as all meteorite falls are. And to quote Ted but one more time. meteorites don't care where they land. I know. but hunters do! Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello List, This has been a good topic and I can see the importance of people trying to document finds of meteorites. If that be taking a photo and remembering where you found it or explaining to your friends about the time you where in the mountains and you found a strange rock. Each individuals experience will be different and the knowledge that one might have in documentations of the coordinates will vary as well. A good example, at work a co worker told me a story about when he was a young kid he would going off with some of his friends and look for meteorites. At the time I bet they had no clue what they looked like or even if they really did find them. At any rate by him sharing that story he was able to tell his experience with me when he was a kid collecting meteorites. Now from a scientific stand point he did a big mistake and didn’t bust out his play school gps hand held devise from Toys R US and take the coordinates down. He knew no difference what to do, nor do most people that are novice to meteorite collecting, they just pick up the meteorite and have a great story to tell. But if anything the veterans of meteorite collecting might want to set a good example with people at large. However it's harder then excepted and I have a big question I would like to address about the Meteorite Men show. First I need to say I enjoyed the show and I hope for season two, thank you Steve and Jeff. Also I can’t express the importance of shows that cover science and I think we need more shows like this format. At any rate I have seen only two episodes which were the first and the fifth episode twice. However the thing that got to me was that at not time during those two episodes did any one express the importance of documenting the coordinate of meteorites found during each episode. What was stress was the secrecy of each location and the amount the meteorites can cost on the open market. This was further displayed in episode five where for 30 minutes you watched Steve, Jeff, and Sonny pick up meteorite fragments after meteorite fragments without stressing that in the field one should take the time to document the find and record the information. The only thing that I did see that got documented was on the screen how big their pocket books were getting from finding meteorites on the dry lake bed. These actions could send wrong messages to people about how to go about hunting for meteorites that watched the show. If they see that the Meteorite Men are at these secret locations, this secrecy can perpetuates the lack of importance of documentation, they no better and are only doing what is seen on TV. I hope with future shows the documenting process will be stressed more on how this step furthers the progress of meteorite science. Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Art of Collecting Meteorites last call for Signed and numbered (ad)
The first time Steve Arnold ever visited with me we smoked fine cigars at my home in Fort Myers, Florida and pondered co-authoring a book about meteorites. Steve was interested, and still is, in attracting more people to the hobby of collecting meteorites. The conspiracy never jelled, but I wrote a book anyway, and somehow it still sells. Darryl Pitt, an important collaborator in this work, presciently informed me, Your book will have legs, meaning that it would sell well and for some time. It has, with a major sales bump this year inspired by the TV show, Meteorite Men. Jolly good show. Thanks, guys! I originally set aside 500 copies of the total print run of 1,100 to be signed and numbered. The first 20 were gifted to the wonderful people who made it happen like Joel Schiff, Bob Haag, Darryl, Richard Norton. The next hundred+ went out to all purchasers during the first year the book was offered for sale. Over the last few years, I have offered the remainder on eBay, were they often bring more than the cover price of $21.95, a real bargain for the high quality book I created with the artistic skill and old-world craftsmanship of Geoff Notkin. Living in Costa Rica, I've lost track exactly of how many I have left to sign and number, so the copy I have on eBay (ending tomorrow) may be one of the last four, maybe the last three, like in #497 of 500. I believe I left behind a copy for non-USA buyers that might be #494 or so. Nonetheless, if anyone on the M-List still hasn't purchased a copy and thinks my crooked left-handed signature is a valuable collector's item, time is running out. I have one last box of fifty copies that I'll be opening and preparing for sale next week while I am briefly in Florida. When these are sold, I'm not sure if I will re-order more, not sure if I want to climb that mountain again and edit and add chapters for a second edition. Truly, much has happened in the ever-evolving world of meteorites since 2005 as the cast of characters and body of science has grown richer. But once climbed, the mountaineer returns to discover a slippery slope. Steve has reminded me that the First Edition could be turned into an e book and I suppose that's a possibility. Call it Karma, but Steve and I might again share dreams and cigars next week while our paths intersect in Florida. Anyway, here's the link to the copy on eBay ending tomorrow (Sunday). I note that for the moment, eBay wizardry has opted to not display my cover photo. I wrote them about it. Anyway, see it all here at www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com The next-to-last signed and numbered copy will go on eBay in late August, and the final #500 next year. Unsigned regular copies will again be available for delivery beginning next week until they run out. Order now from the website www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com . Here's the signed and numbered copy, either #496 or #497 on eBay today: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=220569257655ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT Best wishes to all. - Kevin mars...@gmail.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fwd: Re: Catamarca Meteorite?
Hi Never read google translations. Standard Olmedo is not a man. Is a literal translation of Norma Olmedo, a woman. She was not struck by a meteorite, the news say that she saw the fireball and then went with his son and found a meteorite. Here are some news with photos and even a video of her with the stone she found. http://www.elvecinalistaweb.com.ar/index.php? option=com_contenttask=viewid=1803Itemid=1 http://www.catamarcactual.com.ar/notas_actual.php?id_nota=52071 http://www.qpasa.com.ar/las-noticias/argentina/2349-meteorito-cae-en- fiambala-y-habria-sido-encontrado-intacto.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3wx7vVv7-c In some of the photos and in the video it seems to be a fusion crusted rock, but it seems too light for a fresh fall to me. I'll try to get more information Eduardo -Original Message- From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:57:13 -0800 Subject: [meteorite-list] Catamarca Meteorite? Anyone know anything about this? Or is this another flaming crater? Google translation of the page. They find a meteorite in Catamarca http://www.eldiario24.com/nota.php?id=158863 [March 10, 2010 09:19] A woman was struck by a stone that had sparkles. It happened in Fiambalá and will be analyzed by specialists. Local residents Fiambalá Catamarca claim to have seen fall during Monday night a meteorite and his remains, which have been found by a woman, will now be analyzed by specialists at the National University of Catamarca. The incident occurred in the District of Fiambalá Juan Manuel Salas, department Tinogasta, located about 350 kilometers west of the provincial capital, where his neighbors say that about 22 of that day fell from the sky a ball fire followed by a luminous trail. The neighbors felt that this is a meteorite and that its size would not be larger than a soccer ball. Standard Olmedo, who lives in that area, said Ancasti told FM that he filmed with his cell phone and managed to drop to locate the stone. Olmedo, who at the time of the phenomenon was with his son, said past the 22 on Monday was struck a bright light that shone from behind. Turning I saw falling from the sky a red ball, trailing light strongly, he said. According to the woman, she arrived with her son to the place of the fall, where they discovered a stone that he still flashes. Meanwhile, this morning it was reported from the National University of Catamarca specialists from this house of studies and the Department of Anthropology will travel to Fiambalá afternoon to prepare a report on the alleged meteorite. Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE
Hi All, I found it! I know Darryl closed this thread but I thought some of you might be interested. Green Acres, Season 5, The Beeping Rock, in 3 parts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHDts1Lfdqc Carl2 I wrote: Here's another you might hunt for. I saw a portion of an episode of Green Acres recently. Someone found a huge chunk of Lunar meteorite and ,at night, the thing would make a noise. I forgot how it ended but I think the rock was brought into a lab to be tested. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850553/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Why isnt documenting meteorites stressed enough?
From: cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net This has already been pointed out as another reason co-ords have little relevance. because they do move around. Whether by wind, rain , flood , whatever. The point is that they do move around after landing. And based on our active planet they may move great distances. Remember the post the other day with the fish raining down? The fact that it happened is notable. the co-ords are not of much scientific importance. Why, Because it was as random as all meteorite falls are. And to quote Ted but one more time. meteorites don't care where they land. I know. but hunters do! Carl I would agree if proponents of mapping were arguing that the point of collecting coordinates had anything to do with trying to determine if some meteorites prefer to fall in specific areas on the earth. Yes they do fall randomly and don't care where they land. One reason for mapping is that it is very helpful for scientist, who may want to locate future specimens from a specific strewnfield, to know where they have been found before. I know that with my limited time I would prefer to hunt inside a strewnfield rather than trying to figure out where the strewnfield is. And I imagine that scientist with limited budgets would also prefer to have confirmed locations to check. Another reason is that it can be useful for the study of impact craters, one can learn a lot about impact dynamics by knowing the true extents of a debris field. Also, it would be useful to combine geologic mapping with meteorite mapping to understand what is happening geomorphologically. Perhaps if a relationship can be found between specific geologic units, checking those geologic units in a nearby location, the same meteorites may be found there too. We know that archaeological artifacts move around because of weather, humans and animals, but scientists think it's necessary to carefully map all finds they make. I don't understand why that is important, but if I had permission to metal detect and track Cortez trail, like one meteorite hunter/detectorist I know does, I would follow his example and take GPS locations for all finds (including anything else the lead scientists ask me to do). You never know when information might be useful, so spending a couple extra minutes recording information is worthwhile to me. So while coordinates may be of little relevance, the can have relevance. I don't want to make this about recording coordinates because there are other things that can be important. I'm not saying we require everyone to do as I do, but I think it's a best practice. I want to get into the habit by doing it each time, so that I become more efficient doing it. And when the information is needed, I will have it available. And I want to set an example for people new to the hobby. Are there any scientists out there with an opinion? I know Rob gave a great list of reasons a while back. What other things are important to record when recovering a specimen in the field? Happy hunting, Mark B. Vail, AZ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorites may have kick-started life on Eart
1. Meteorites may have kick-started life on Earth, The Telegraph, March 11, 2010, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7418915/Meteorites-may-have-kick-started-life-on-Earth.html Meteorites that bombarded Earth four billion years ago could have kick-started life rather than wiping it out, a study shows. 2. Meteorites may have nurtured early life on Earth, TG Daily http://www.tgdaily.com/general-sciences-features/48805-meteorites-may-have-nurtured-early-life The paper is: Parnell, J., A. Boyce, S. Thackrey, D. Muirhead, P. Lindgren, C. Mason, C. Taylor, J. Still, S. Bowden, G. R. Osinski, and P. Lee, 2010, Sulfur isotope signatures for rapid colonization of an impact crater by thermophilic microbes. Geology. vol. 38, no. 3, pp. 271-274. doi: 10.1130/G30615.1 http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/38/3/271 Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Why isnt documenting meteorites stressed enough?
- Original Message From: geo...@aol.com geo...@aol.com I may be wrong, but it seemed to me that with each episode, there were scenes of Geoff and Steve going over maps that showed individual finds or a bunch of them. I got the impression without much brain twisting that these positions were found with the use of a GPS or plotting on topog maps by someone at one time or another. There was some secrecy with maps to the extent that I assumed they were hiding the locations of meteorite finds. GeoZay If I recall, I saw them take GPS and photos on most of the episodes. I'm not a lake hunter, so maybe they have had a routine there too that wasn't caught on camera. I don't know if Sonny was taking any information - it's his area of interest. I think the interaction Geoff and Steve have with the scientists sets a good example. Mark __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Why isnt documenting meteorites stressed enough?
Hi Shawn, I agree that the public needs to be informed about how to recover meteorites in the field and preserve scientific data. Recovering meteorites and their coordinates is vitally imporant to the science of meteorites. However the degree of importance is also based in part on how long a meteorite has been on the ground, whether it's on the surface or is buried, the type of a meteorite it is, and the ground it's recovered on. Meteorite fragments found on dry lake beds or anywhere on old ground, do in fact move. In my opinion coordinate data is still valuable, but not as valuable as say data from a fresh meteorite fall. This of course relates to the time a meteorite has been on the ground. There are many variables to take into account, and I'm sure I'm forgetting some but here's some of those variables or dynamics... If a meteorite fall happened 1000 years ago, and the area it fell is NOT subject to a lot of weathering, wind, rains, floods, etc, then each coordinate is still very important to science and for locating more fragments or other whole stones from the same meteorite fall. However, if a meteorite fell say on a slope of ground, or a highly hostile environment, weather and time will take over and the meteorite could move miles from it's original fall location. This also depends on size and weight of the stone, whether there was a flood, whether it was an iron meteorite or a stone. A stony iron meteorite strewnfield for example will show how coordinates from a meteorite that fell many years ago is still vitally important to science. This also goes to type. The Brenham meteorite strewnfield is a perfect example of an older fall event that humans are just now (geologically speaking) recovering. The recovery of more specimens from this fall is due in large part from coordinates. Coordinates allow one to predict with some accuracy where other larger or smaller pieces should be located based on the dynamics of any given fall. Some people would have you believe recording coordinates is not important. I personally believe it is vitally important to the advancement of meteorite science, and I'm reasonably sure the the vast majority of meteorite hunters and scientists out there feel the same way. Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA On 3/12/2010 10:16 PM, Shawn Alan wrote: Hello List, This has been a good topic and I can see the importance of people trying to document finds of meteorites. If that be taking a photo and remembering where you found it or explaining to your friends about the time you where in the mountains and you found a strange rock. Each individuals experience will be different and the knowledge that one might have in documentations of the coordinates will vary as well. A good example, at work a co worker told me a story about when he was a young kid he would going off with some of his friends and look for meteorites. At the time I bet they had no clue what they looked like or even if they really did find them. At any rate by him sharing that story he was able to tell his experience with me when he was a kid collecting meteorites. Now from a scientific stand point he did a big mistake and didn’t bust out his play school gps hand held devise from Toys R US and take the coordinates down. He knew no difference what to do, nor do most people that are novice to meteorite collecting, they just pick up the meteorite and have a great story to tell. But if anything the veterans of meteorite collecting might want to set a good example with people at large. However it's harder then excepted and I have a big question I would like to address about the Meteorite Men show. First I need to say I enjoyed the show and I hope for season two, thank you Steve and Jeff. Also I can’t express the importance of shows that cover science and I think we need more shows like this format. At any rate I have seen only two episodes which were the first and the fifth episode twice. However the thing that got to me was that at not time during those two episodes did any one express the importance of documenting the coordinate of meteorites found during each episode. What was stress was the secrecy of each location and the amount the meteorites can cost on the open market. This was further displayed in episode five where for 30 minutes you watched Steve, Jeff, and Sonny pick up meteorite fragments after meteorite fragments without stressing that in the field one should take the time to document the find and record the information. The only thing that I did see that got documented was on the screen how big their pocket books were getting from finding meteorites on the dry lake bed. These actions could send wrong messages to people about how to go about hunting for meteorites that watched the show. If they see that the Meteorite Men are at these secret locations, this secrecy can perpetuates the lack of importance of documentation, they no better
Re: [meteorite-list] Why isnt documenting meteorites stressed enough?
I agree 100% that locations should be recorded. If you look at the job that Jack and Dave did with the Whetstone fall, as I have said before, that should set the benchmark for recoveries and recording locations. Anything less should be unacceptable. The time that was spent to record each stone recovered will add so much to the provenance of the stone. I am one of the first to talk about how unreasonable the $100 per gram price tag that is put onto new falls is, buy in my opinion, just the documentation behind Whetstone is worth any amount asked for it. Im sure not just collectors but anyone would agree that documentation is of utmost importance when purchasing and collecting material. I remember with the West fall, strewnfield maps were supposed to be done but after all this time, not one page has been released. I personally think the time spent with documentation and careful records will show where the hunters motivations are. Those that are out for the quick buck will grab and go for the next. Those that are interested in the actual science will do what Jack and Dave did from here out. I would like to see all recoveries treated in the same manner, and challenge all the hunters to step up and record everything you can... you want $100 per gram? Get everyone good documentation! Just my thoughts on it. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Sat, 3/13/10, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Why isnt documenting meteorites stressed enough? To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 2:48 PM Hi Shawn, I agree that the public needs to be informed about how to recover meteorites in the field and preserve scientific data. Recovering meteorites and their coordinates is vitally imporant to the science of meteorites. However the degree of importance is also based in part on how long a meteorite has been on the ground, whether it's on the surface or is buried, the type of a meteorite it is, and the ground it's recovered on. Meteorite fragments found on dry lake beds or anywhere on old ground, do in fact move. In my opinion coordinate data is still valuable, but not as valuable as say data from a fresh meteorite fall. This of course relates to the time a meteorite has been on the ground. There are many variables to take into account, and I'm sure I'm forgetting some but here's some of those variables or dynamics... If a meteorite fall happened 1000 years ago, and the area it fell is NOT subject to a lot of weathering, wind, rains, floods, etc, then each coordinate is still very important to science and for locating more fragments or other whole stones from the same meteorite fall. However, if a meteorite fell say on a slope of ground, or a highly hostile environment, weather and time will take over and the meteorite could move miles from it's original fall location. This also depends on size and weight of the stone, whether there was a flood, whether it was an iron meteorite or a stone. A stony iron meteorite strewnfield for example will show how coordinates from a meteorite that fell many years ago is still vitally important to science. This also goes to type. The Brenham meteorite strewnfield is a perfect example of an older fall event that humans are just now (geologically speaking) recovering. The recovery of more specimens from this fall is due in large part from coordinates. Coordinates allow one to predict with some accuracy where other larger or smaller pieces should be located based on the dynamics of any given fall. Some people would have you believe recording coordinates is not important. I personally believe it is vitally important to the advancement of meteorite science, and I'm reasonably sure the the vast majority of meteorite hunters and scientists out there feel the same way. Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA On 3/12/2010 10:16 PM, Shawn Alan wrote: Hello List, This has been a good topic and I can see the importance of people trying to document finds of meteorites. If that be taking a photo and remembering where you found it or explaining to your friends about the time you where in the mountains and you found a strange rock. Each individuals experience will be different and the knowledge that one might have in documentations of the coordinates will vary as well. A good example, at work a co worker told me a story about when he was a young kid he would going off with some of his friends and look for meteorites. At the time I bet they had no clue what they looked like or even if they really did find them. At any rate by him sharing that story he was able to tell his experience with me when he was a kid collecting meteorites. Now from a scientific stand point he did a big mistake and
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Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE
Hello Darryl, I usual I come late to the party. Monolith Monsters and The Dunwich Horror have already been mentioned by my esteemed colleagues but I don't recall anyone nominating It Came from Outer Space. Apologies if this one has already been mentioned. The movie was adapted from a story by Ray Bradbury, the title of which was The Meteor. Initially, the characters in the story and movie thought a meteor(ite) had fallen but soon realize it was just a spaceship. The trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLk7bJNyN44 and another trailer plus part one of the movie (in 3-d; go find your 3-d glasses): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVvSTBqpioYfeature=related Live long and prosper. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE Hiya I would like to thank contributors for their input on my query of meteorites in pop culture. Very helpful. Thank you! I hope you realize the increased frequency of meteorite hits in pop cultural references is not just due to the meteorites themselves, but due, in part, to the passion and efforts of everyone on this list -- and that's so cool. Have a great weekend / Darryl p.s. Several folks mentioned Peter Hoeg's Smilla's Sense of Snow. It's extraordinary. On Mar 12, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Jeff Kuyken wrote: You just reminded me of a recent meteor Bud Light commercial Richard. I thought you might know this one! ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRELablT7T4 Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE That's a pretty daunting task to set for oneself Darryl. I think the more you look the more you'll find. Movies, TV shows, commercials, books, song lyrics, comic books, video games... and that's just in the US... I see people have already referenced 60's and 50's examples, even though you said recent. There is the Gilligan's Island episode Meet the Meteor (Available for viewing here: http://www.thewb.com/shows/gilligans-island/meet-the-meteor/097e2c1d-3384-4e2c-b9d1-c98a4e193a82 ) A few years ago there was a commercial for a pickup truck that was hit by a meteorite and drove away unharmed... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_OtbXmu9kg A band called The Meteor Pilots and on and on... You might want to put up a web form for people to offer titles. I think you'll find many score, if not hundreds of them Good luck. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com Subject: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE To: Adam List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 8:42 AM Hi Everyone, I'm attempting to create a comprehensive list of pop cultural references in recent years in which meteorites appear in a supporting or lead role. I'm primarily looking at works of fiction but scientific references of the pop cultural ilk will be similarly welcome. Looking for films, TV, books, etc. Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks so much, and wishing you a good weekend, Darryl __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] L'aigle and other meteorite names... just how do you say it?
Hi to all, just finished a very nasty bout with a terrible little stomach bug. 2 days of feeling pretty bad. Many emails from metlist I have to check over, I will be offering some replies, they may be a bit late. There are many meteorites with names that may be foreign to many of us. I have often wondered just how they are actually pronounced... L'aigle... just how do you say it? http://www.forvo.com/word/l%27aigle#fr Sound correct to those who know how to say it? There are other meteorite names on the site. If want to know if one you want is listed, type it in and see if its there. Hope everyone is having a good day. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE
Hi Walter: I could hug you (I would say kiss you but might not be interpreted the right way). I have been using It Came From Outer Space for years in my class and since I also use 3D glasses, this is what I have been looking for and long given up on. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Larry Hello Darryl, I usual I come late to the party. Monolith Monsters and The Dunwich Horror have already been mentioned by my esteemed colleagues but I don't recall anyone nominating It Came from Outer Space. Apologies if this one has already been mentioned. The movie was adapted from a story by Ray Bradbury, the title of which was The Meteor. Initially, the characters in the story and movie thought a meteor(ite) had fallen but soon realize it was just a spaceship. The trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLk7bJNyN44 and another trailer plus part one of the movie (in 3-d; go find your 3-d glasses): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVvSTBqpioYfeature=related Live long and prosper. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE Hiya I would like to thank contributors for their input on my query of meteorites in pop culture. Very helpful. Thank you! I hope you realize the increased frequency of meteorite hits in pop cultural references is not just due to the meteorites themselves, but due, in part, to the passion and efforts of everyone on this list -- and that's so cool. Have a great weekend / Darryl p.s. Several folks mentioned Peter Hoeg's Smilla's Sense of Snow. It's extraordinary. On Mar 12, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Jeff Kuyken wrote: You just reminded me of a recent meteor Bud Light commercial Richard. I thought you might know this one! ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRELablT7T4 Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE That's a pretty daunting task to set for oneself Darryl. I think the more you look the more you'll find. Movies, TV shows, commercials, books, song lyrics, comic books, video games... and that's just in the US... I see people have already referenced 60's and 50's examples, even though you said recent. There is the Gilligan's Island episode Meet the Meteor (Available for viewing here: http://www.thewb.com/shows/gilligans-island/meet-the-meteor/097e2c1d-3384-4e2c-b9d1-c98a4e193a82 ) A few years ago there was a commercial for a pickup truck that was hit by a meteorite and drove away unharmed... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_OtbXmu9kg A band called The Meteor Pilots and on and on... You might want to put up a web form for people to offer titles. I think you'll find many score, if not hundreds of them Good luck. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com Subject: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE To: Adam List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 8:42 AM Hi Everyone, I'm attempting to create a comprehensive list of pop cultural references in recent years in which meteorites appear in a supporting or lead role. I'm primarily looking at works of fiction but scientific references of the pop cultural ilk will be similarly welcome. Looking for films, TV, books, etc. Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks so much, and wishing you a good weekend, Darryl __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list
[meteorite-list] pronunciation of L'aigle
from Bernd as he could not post: Hi Greg C. and List, L'aigle is an easy one. * aigle * is the eagle in English but let's talk about its pronunciation: - *ai* sounds like the first *a* in animal - *g* is g like in the words gold or give - *l* is l like in the words look or love - the *e* at the end of the word is like *a* in a house, a book Best wishes from Germany from someone who can't post to the List directly :-( Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE
Hi Larry, A simple handshake will suffice :-) Glad I could help. -Walter - Original Message - From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu To: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net Cc: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com; meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE Hi Walter: I could hug you (I would say kiss you but might not be interpreted the right way). I have been using It Came From Outer Space for years in my class and since I also use 3D glasses, this is what I have been looking for and long given up on. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Larry Hello Darryl, I usual I come late to the party. Monolith Monsters and The Dunwich Horror have already been mentioned by my esteemed colleagues but I don't recall anyone nominating It Came from Outer Space. Apologies if this one has already been mentioned. The movie was adapted from a story by Ray Bradbury, the title of which was The Meteor. Initially, the characters in the story and movie thought a meteor(ite) had fallen but soon realize it was just a spaceship. The trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLk7bJNyN44 and another trailer plus part one of the movie (in 3-d; go find your 3-d glasses): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVvSTBqpioYfeature=related Live long and prosper. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE Hiya I would like to thank contributors for their input on my query of meteorites in pop culture. Very helpful. Thank you! I hope you realize the increased frequency of meteorite hits in pop cultural references is not just due to the meteorites themselves, but due, in part, to the passion and efforts of everyone on this list -- and that's so cool. Have a great weekend / Darryl p.s. Several folks mentioned Peter Hoeg's Smilla's Sense of Snow. It's extraordinary. On Mar 12, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Jeff Kuyken wrote: You just reminded me of a recent meteor Bud Light commercial Richard. I thought you might know this one! ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRELablT7T4 Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE That's a pretty daunting task to set for oneself Darryl. I think the more you look the more you'll find. Movies, TV shows, commercials, books, song lyrics, comic books, video games... and that's just in the US... I see people have already referenced 60's and 50's examples, even though you said recent. There is the Gilligan's Island episode Meet the Meteor (Available for viewing here: http://www.thewb.com/shows/gilligans-island/meet-the-meteor/097e2c1d-3384-4e2c-b9d1-c98a4e193a82 ) A few years ago there was a commercial for a pickup truck that was hit by a meteorite and drove away unharmed... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_OtbXmu9kg A band called The Meteor Pilots and on and on... You might want to put up a web form for people to offer titles. I think you'll find many score, if not hundreds of them Good luck. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com Subject: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE To: Adam List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 8:42 AM Hi Everyone, I'm attempting to create a comprehensive list of pop cultural references in recent years in which meteorites appear in a supporting or lead role. I'm primarily looking at works of fiction but scientific references of the pop cultural ilk will be similarly welcome. Looking for films, TV, books, etc. Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks so much, and wishing you a good weekend, Darryl __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
Re: [meteorite-list] pronunciation of L'aigle
Greg, That website sounds like how I've heard Anne pronounce it (but it has been a while since I heard her say it). Any why isn't Bernd able to post anymore?? Mark - Original Message From: Larry Twink Monrad larrytwinkmon...@comcast.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 5:45:43 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] pronunciation of L'aigle from Bernd as he could not post: Hi Greg C. and List, L'aigle is an easy one. * aigle * is the eagle in English but let's talk about its pronunciation: - *ai* sounds like the first *a* in animal - *g* is g like in the words gold or give - *l* is l like in the words look or love - the *e* at the end of the word is like *a* in a house, a book Best wishes from Germany from someone who can't post to the List directly :-( Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] pronunciation of L'aigle
L'aigle is an easy one. * aigle * is the eagle in English but let's talk about its pronunciation: - *ai* sounds like the first *a* in animal My francais may be a bit rusty, but I'm pretty sure L'aigle is pronounced pretty close to: LAY' -gluh (emphasis on first syllable, with the uh at the end just barely pronounced. There really isn't an English equivalent to the clipped sound of the -gle ending.) --Rob http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] pronunciation of L'aigle
Yes, I agree with Rob, The end is clipped off, and the e is practically silent. The recording is right. Now do you want to try Orgueil ? ;-) Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 3/13/2010 6:07:18 PM Mountain Standard Time, mojave_meteori...@cox.net writes: L'aigle is an easy one. * aigle * is the eagle in English but let's talk about its pronunciation: - *ai* sounds like the first *a* in animal My francais may be a bit rusty, but I'm pretty sure L'aigle is pronounced pretty close to: LAY' -gluh (emphasis on first syllable, with the uh at the end just barely pronounced. There really isn't an English equivalent to the clipped sound of the -gle ending.) --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] pronunciation of L'aigle
Now do you want to try Orgueil ? ;-) Would that be a little like saying the word, Ora-Jel? GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] pronunciation of L'aigle
L'aigle is an easy one. * aigle * is the eagle in English but let's talk about its pronunciation: Well...while we are at it, how do you pronounce Sikhote-alin ? You can't begin to imagine how I was pronouncing it until I heard someone actually say it aloud about a month ago. Figured it had to be right because it was easier to get thru the lips. I now understand it to be pronounced like this...Sid-coat-e-a-lean. That's from the point of view of english speaking people. Am I close or am I still off? GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] pronunciation of L'aigle
L'aigle is an easy one. * aigle * is the eagle in English but let's talk about its pronunciation: Well...while we are at it, how do you pronounce Sikhote-alin ? You can't begin to imagine how I was pronouncing it until I heard someone actually say it aloud about a month ago. Figured it had to be right because it was easier to get thru the lips. I now understand it to be pronounced like this...Sid-coat-e-a-lean. That's from the point of view of english speaking people. Am I close or am I still off? GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pronunciation of Orgueil
Now do you want to try Orgueil ? ;-) That one is MUCH harder for the non-French to pronounce. Again, accent is on the beginning of the word, and to first order it sounds somewhat similar to: OR' gooey ;-) --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pronunciation of Orgueil
OR' gooey I like Ora-Jel better. :O) GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] pronunciation of L'aigle
See: http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin Dave - Original Message - From: geo...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] pronunciation of L'aigle L'aigle is an easy one. * aigle * is the eagle in English but let's talk about its pronunciation: Well...while we are at it, how do you pronounce Sikhote-alin ? You can't begin to imagine how I was pronouncing it until I heard someone actually say it aloud about a month ago. Figured it had to be right because it was easier to get thru the lips. I now understand it to be pronounced like this...Sid-coat-e-a-lean. That's from the point of view of english speaking people. Am I close or am I still off? GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Odd Ebay auction
Hello again, I just an email asking about this auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=380117353508 The question is: Is this really carved out of an iron meteorite? And if not, what is it? Frankly I don't know. It does not even look metallic to me. Could one of you answer that questions? Thank you. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pronunciation of Orgueil
Very good Rob. Not quite the right ending, more open sound. But really quite close. And better than Oragel ;-) Sorry Georges. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 3/13/2010 6:37:00 PM Mountain Standard Time, mojave_meteori...@cox.net writes: Now do you want to try Orgueil ? ;-) That one is MUCH harder for the non-French to pronounce. Again, accent is on the beginning of the word, and to first order it sounds somewhat similar to: OR' gooey ;-) --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Paper about Cretaceous-Paleogene Extinctions
Dear Friends, There is a new paper that proposes an interesting and novel idea about the selectivity of the Cretaceous-Paleogene Extinctions. It is: Kikuchi, R., and M. Vanneste, 2010, A theoretical exercise in the modeling of ground-level ozone resulting from the K–T asteroid impact: Its possible link with the extinction selectivity of terrestrial vertebrates. Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology. vol. 288, no. 1-4, pp.14–23. http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.palaeo.2010.01.027 A somewhat unrelated and downloadable PDF file about about meteorites, impacts, and mass extinction is: Meteorites, Impacts, and Mass Extinction by Prof. Stephen A. Nelson, Tulane University http://www.tulane.edu/~sanelson/geol204/impacts.pdf http://www.tulane.edu/~sanelson/geol204/index.html Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] pronunciation of L'aigle
See: http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin Thanks...I just tried that site and I was close with the first part, but way off with the alin part. After hearing, it's more like: See-coat-a o-in-u GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] pronunciation of L'aigle
Greetings all, The best advice I ever got on meteorite pronunciation was several years back from Rob Elliot and I'm paraphrasing here Pronounce it however you think it's supposed to sound, chances are that 99% of the people listening haven't a clue themselves and will accept your pronunciation as the correct one. Regards, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Sat, 3/13/10, geo...@aol.com geo...@aol.com wrote: From: geo...@aol.com geo...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] pronunciation of L'aigle To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 8:00 PM See: http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin Thanks...I just tried that site and I was close with the first part, but way off with the alin part. After hearing, it's more like: See-coat-a o-in-u GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] pronunciation of L'aigle
The best advice I ever got on meteorite pronunciation was several years back from Rob Elliot and I'm paraphrasing here Pronounce it however you think it's supposed to sound, chances are that 99% of the people listening haven't a clue themselves and will accept your pronunciation as the correct one. Sounds like good advice to me...that's what I normally do anyhow. But every once in awhile, what I think it's suppose to sound changes and then I get all screwed up. :O) GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Why isnt documenting meteorites stressed enough?
Eric wrote: Meteorite fragments found on dry lake beds or anywhere on old ground, do in fact move. In my opinion coordinate data is still valuable, but not as valuable as say data from a fresh meteorite fall. As a geomorphologist, I would disagree. Such data from either old ground or prehistoric falls might be just as valuable as data from fresh falls. The distribution data from prehistoric falls, if collected and preserved might be useful in evaluating the type and rate of the geomorphic processes that modify a landforms and the landform's relative age. This is because a single meteorite strewn field in many ways is a chronostratigarphic equivalent of a volcanic ash beds in terms of providing a deposit that is of the same age / point in time everywhere that pieces of it are found. The way that individual meteorites belonging to a single strewn field are moved about could be used to infer how the surface of a landform has been modified and at what rate since the meteorite fall creating, the modifications occurred. If the strewn field data was collected and was accessible, I would suspect that geomorphologists would use that data in a wide variety of novel ways that neither I or nobody else on this list could at this time predict or image. Of course, once the taphonomic processes determining how meteorites are moved around after a fall and whether or not they are preserved are understood, I suspect that a person can back engineer the process to predict where to look for fossil meteorites from past falls even if they have been buried. I still think that there a number of Chinese falls, where even though they occurred centuries ago, a person has a significant chance of still being able to find meteorites from them if their taphonomy could be figured out and predictions made as to where exactly t __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Why isnt documenting meteorites stressed enough? (Diregard Previous Post)
Please disregard my previous post as the bottom part of it was chopped off when I sent it Eric wrote: Meteorite fragments found on dry lake beds or anywhere on old ground, do in fact move. In my opinion coordinate data is still valuable, but not as valuable as say data from a fresh meteorite fall. As a geomorphologist, I would disagree. Such data from either old ground or prehistoric falls might be just as valuable as data from fresh falls. The distribution data from prehistoric falls, if collected and preserved might be useful in evaluating the type and rate of the geomorphic processes that modify and the age of the landforms on which they are found. This is because a meteorite strewn field in many ways is a chronostratigarphic equivalent of a volcanic ash beds in terms of providing a deposit that is of the same age / point in time everywhere that pieces of it are found. The way that individual meteorites belonging to a single strewn field are moved about could be used to infer how the surface of a landform has been modified and at what rate since the meteorite fall creating it occurred. If the strewn field data was collected and was accessible, I would suspect that geomorphologists would use that data in a wide variety of novel ways that neither I or nobody else on this list could at this time predict or image. Of course, once the taphonomic processes determining how meteorites are moved around after a fall and whether or not they are preserved are understood, I suspect that a person can back engineer the process to predict where to look for fossil meteorites from past falls even if they have been buried. I still think that there a number of Chinese falls, where even though they occurred centuries ago, a person has a significant chance of still being able to find meteorites from them if their taphonomy could be figured out and predictions made as to where exactly to look. Looking at some of the phrase diagrams that archaeologists have made showing the relationship between different physical characteristics of soils and sediments and the long term survival of iron artifacts, it is quite clear that iron objects, including meteorites, under specific circumstances can survive even in wet soils and sediments that they become buried in for significantly long periods of time. They might be bit too rusty for many collector's tastes. Still, they still have scientific value even in less than pristine condition. Just Some Thoughts, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pronunciation of L'aigle
Yeah, but that 1% guy will be rolling around the floor laughing his butt off and really spoil your day. Carl2 Steve wrote: The best advice I ever got on meteorite pronunciation was several years back from Rob Elliot and I'm paraphrasing here Pronounce it however you think it's supposed to sound, chances are that 99% of the people listening haven't a clue themselves and will accept your pronunciation as the correct one. _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Odd Ebay auction
Hi All, I don't know if it's meteorite or not (probably not), but there is a ton of this stuff on eBay right now - literally a ton of it. There are a myriad of carvings all made of this same material being offered by several overseas sellers. Another overseas seller is offering a similar material he claims contains martian blood vessel fossils. eBay was contacted about it and did nothing that I can see - the blood vessel fossil person is still listing their dubious items and these carvings are listed by the hundreds. I seriously doubt the material is meteorite. Best regards, MikeG On 3/13/10, impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com wrote: Hello again, I just an email asking about this auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=380117353508 The question is: Is this really carved out of an iron meteorite? And if not, what is it? Frankly I don't know. It does not even look metallic to me. Could one of you answer that questions? Thank you. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nemesis-The Death Star
Hello List, Last week a good topic was brought about the probability of patterns with the places and amount of meteorites coming in contact with Earth. I am not sure if this hypothesis was suggested but I came across the Nemesis Hypothetical red dwarf star hypotheses in Rocks from Space by O.Richard Norton and Wikipedia. Here is what is on Wikipedia….. Nemesis is a hypothetical red dwarf star or brown dwarf, orbiting the Sun at a distance of about 50,000 to 100,000 AU, somewhat beyond the Oort cloud. This star was originally postulated to exist as part of a hypothesis to explain a perceived cycle of mass extinctions in the geological record, which seem to occur once every 26 million years or so. Claimed periodicity of mass extinctions In 1984, paleontologists David Raup and Jack Sepkoski published a paper claiming that they had identified a statistical periodicity in extinction rates over the last 250 million years using various forms of time series analysis.[1] They focused on the extinction intensity of fossil families of marine vertebrates, invertebrates, and protozoans, identifying 12 extinction events over the time period in question. The average time interval between extinction events was determined as 26 million years. At the time, two of the identified extinction events (Cretaceous-Tertiary and Late Eocene) could be shown to coincide with large impact events. Although Raup and Sepkoski could not identify the cause of their supposed periodicity, they suggested that there might be a non-terrestrial connection. The challenge to propose a mechanism was quickly addressed by several teams of astronomers. Development of the Nemesis hypotheses Two teams of astronomers, Whitmire and Jackson, and Davis, Hut, and Muller, independently published similar hypotheses to explain Raup and Sepkoski's extinction periodicity in the same issue of the journal Nature.[2][3] This hypothesis proposes that the sun may have an as yet undetected companion star in a highly elliptical orbit that periodically disturbs comets in the Oort cloud, causing a large increase in the number of comets visiting the inner solar system with a consequential increase in impact events on Earth. This became known as the Nemesis (or, more colorfully, Death Star) hypothesis. If it does exist, the exact nature of Nemesis is uncertain. Richard A. Muller suggests that the most likely object is a red dwarf with magnitude between 7 and 12,[4] while Daniel P. Whitmire and Albert A. Jackson argue for a brown dwarf. If a red dwarf, it would undoubtedly already exist in star catalogs, but its true nature would only be detectable by measuring its parallax; due to orbiting the Sun it would have a very low proper motion and would escape detection by proper motion surveys that have found stars like the 9th magnitude Barnard's star. The last major extinction event was about 5 million years ago, so Muller posits that Nemesis is likely 1 to 1.5 light years away at present, and even has ideas of what area of the sky it might be in (supported by Yarris, 1987), near Hydra, based on a hypothetical orbit derived from original apogees of a number of atypical long-period comets that describe an orbital arc meeting the specifications of Muller's hypothesis. Looking for Nemesis If Nemesis exists, then it may be detected by the planned Pan-STARRS or LSST astronomical surveys. In particular, if Nemesis is a brown dwarf, then the WISE mission should be able to find it. The hypothesis that the Nemesis star is a brown dwarf was proposed by Dan Whitmire and Albert A. Jackson, IV.[5] Also, if you own a copy of Rocks from Space I would look towards the back of the book and read up on Nemesis. It is a very good hypothesis and makes since that this could be taking place in our solar system. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nemesis-The Death Star
Hi Alan, there has been several posts on the Minor Planet Mailing List (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mpml/) today about this. A 26 million year orbit essentially extends into interstellar space and any object in such an orbit would rapidly be perturbed from it's orbit around the Sun. I his post today, Bill Gray, author of some excellent software including the freeware Findorb, stated ...It presumably has an extremely high eccentricity, so the apohelion must be about 2.5 light-years out, roughly at the point where stars will pass by on a reasonably regular basis. The orbit is about as stable as a pencil balanced on its point in a hurricane. IOW, it is highly unlikely any such object exists and if it did, it wouldn't remain in orbit for very long, astronomically speaking... That doesn't mean it doesn't, just don't hold your breath waiting for WISE to find it... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 3/13/10, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Nemesis-The Death Star To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 9:04 PM Hello List, Last week a good topic was brought about the probability of patterns with the places and amount of meteorites coming in contact with Earth. I am not sure if this hypothesis was suggested but I came across the Nemesis Hypothetical red dwarf star hypotheses in Rocks from Space by O.Richard Norton and Wikipedia. Here is what is on Wikipedia….. Nemesis is a hypothetical red dwarf star or brown dwarf, orbiting the Sun at a distance of about 50,000 to 100,000 AU, somewhat beyond the Oort cloud. This star was originally postulated to exist as part of a hypothesis to explain a perceived cycle of mass extinctions in the geological record, which seem to occur once every 26 million years or so. Claimed periodicity of mass extinctions In 1984, paleontologists David Raup and Jack Sepkoski published a paper claiming that they had identified a statistical periodicity in extinction rates over the last 250 million years using various forms of time series analysis.[1] They focused on the extinction intensity of fossil families of marine vertebrates, invertebrates, and protozoans, identifying 12 extinction events over the time period in question. The average time interval between extinction events was determined as 26 million years. At the time, two of the identified extinction events (Cretaceous-Tertiary and Late Eocene) could be shown to coincide with large impact events. Although Raup and Sepkoski could not identify the cause of their supposed periodicity, they suggested that there might be a non-terrestrial connection. The challenge to propose a mechanism was quickly addressed by several teams of astronomers. Development of the Nemesis hypotheses Two teams of astronomers, Whitmire and Jackson, and Davis, Hut, and Muller, independently published similar hypotheses to explain Raup and Sepkoski's extinction periodicity in the same issue of the journal Nature.[2][3] This hypothesis proposes that the sun may have an as yet undetected companion star in a highly elliptical orbit that periodically disturbs comets in the Oort cloud, causing a large increase in the number of comets visiting the inner solar system with a consequential increase in impact events on Earth. This became known as the Nemesis (or, more colorfully, Death Star) hypothesis. If it does exist, the exact nature of Nemesis is uncertain. Richard A. Muller suggests that the most likely object is a red dwarf with magnitude between 7 and 12,[4] while Daniel P. Whitmire and Albert A. Jackson argue for a brown dwarf. If a red dwarf, it would undoubtedly already exist in star catalogs, but its true nature would only be detectable by measuring its parallax; due to orbiting the Sun it would have a very low proper motion and would escape detection by proper motion surveys that have found stars like the 9th magnitude Barnard's star. The last major extinction event was about 5 million years ago, so Muller posits that Nemesis is likely 1 to 1.5 light years away at present, and even has ideas of what area of the sky it might be in (supported by Yarris, 1987), near Hydra, based on a hypothetical orbit derived from original apogees of a number of atypical long-period comets that describe an orbital arc meeting the specifications of Muller's hypothesis. Looking for Nemesis If Nemesis exists, then it may be detected by the planned Pan-STARRS or LSST astronomical surveys. In particular, if Nemesis is a brown dwarf, then the WISE mission should be able to find it. The hypothesis that the Nemesis star is a brown dwarf was proposed by Dan Whitmire and Albert A. Jackson, IV.[5] Also, if you own a copy of Rocks from Space I would look towards the back of the book and read up on Nemesis. It is a very good hypothesis and makes
Re: [meteorite-list] L'aigle and other meteorite names... just how do you say it?
At 06:13 PM 3/13/2010, Greg Catterton wrote: There are many meteorites with names that may be foreign to many of us. I have often wondered just how they are actually pronounced... L'aigle... just how do you say it? http://www.forvo.com/word/l%27aigle#fr Some years ago I started a page on meteorite pronunciations. The only ones I did were L'aigle and Orgueil. http://www.pibburns.com/catastro/metprono.htm I believe one of our list members from Poland put up a page with Polish pronunciations, and someone else presented a page with some other French meteorites. There are some U.S. meteorites that would benefit from having their pronunciations presented too: Willamette and Saint Augustine, Benld, etc. This might be a worthy project for the IMCA to sponsor. An IMCA page of meteorite pronunciations would be a useful resource. -- Philip R. Pib Burns p...@pibburns.com http://www.pibburns.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Canadian lasers key to NASA asteroid landing project
Canadian lasers key to NASA asteroid landing project http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/Canadian+lasers+NASA+asteroid+landing+project/2677412/story.html Three high-precision, Canadian-built lasers are at the centre of a NASA-led proposal to land an unmanned probe on a distant asteroid that's expected to yield crucial clues about the origins of the Earth. Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nemesis-The Death Star
Hi Richard and List, Thats a nice link you provided. Here is a video on you tube about Nemesis-The Death Star. Check it out its a good source on the death star hypothesis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa1jp4EiOcA Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] Nemesis-The Death Star Richard Kowalski damoclid at yahoo.com Sat Mar 13 23:33:23 EST 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Nemesis-The Death Star Next message: [meteorite-list] Canadian lasers key to NASA asteroid landing project Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Alan, there has been several posts on the Minor Planet Mailing List (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mpml/) today about this. A 26 million year orbit essentially extends into interstellar space and any object in such an orbit would rapidly be perturbed from it's orbit around the Sun. I his post today, Bill Gray, author of some excellent software including the freeware Findorb, stated ...It presumably has an extremely high eccentricity, so the apohelion must be about 2.5 light-years out, roughly at the point where stars will pass by on a reasonably regular basis. The orbit is about as stable as a pencil balanced on its point in a hurricane. IOW, it is highly unlikely any such object exists and if it did, it wouldn't remain in orbit for very long, astronomically speaking... That doesn't mean it doesn't, just don't hold your breath waiting for WISE to find it... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 3/13/10, Shawn Alan photophlow at yahoo.com wrote: From: Shawn Alan photophlow at yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Nemesis-The Death Star To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 9:04 PM Hello List, Last week a good topic was brought about the probability of patterns with the places and amount of meteorites coming in contact with Earth. I am not sure if this hypothesis was suggested but I came across the Nemesis Hypothetical red dwarf star hypotheses in Rocks from Space by O.Richard Norton and Wikipedia. Here is what is on Wikipedia….. Nemesis is a hypothetical red dwarf star or brown dwarf, orbiting the Sun at a distance of about 50,000 to 100,000 AU, somewhat beyond the Oort cloud. This star was originally postulated to exist as part of a hypothesis to explain a perceived cycle of mass extinctions in the geological record, which seem to occur once every 26 million years or so. Claimed periodicity of mass extinctions In 1984, paleontologists David Raup and Jack Sepkoski published a paper claiming that they had identified a statistical periodicity in extinction rates over the last 250 million years using various forms of time series analysis.[1] They focused on the extinction intensity of fossil families of marine vertebrates, invertebrates, and protozoans, identifying 12 extinction events over the time period in question. The average time interval between extinction events was determined as 26 million years. At the time, two of the identified extinction events (Cretaceous-Tertiary and Late Eocene) could be shown to coincide with large impact events. Although Raup and Sepkoski could not identify the cause of their supposed periodicity, they suggested that there might be a non-terrestrial connection. The challenge to propose a mechanism was quickly addressed by several teams of astronomers. Development of the Nemesis hypotheses Two teams of astronomers, Whitmire and Jackson, and Davis, Hut, and Muller, independently published similar hypotheses to explain Raup and Sepkoski's extinction periodicity in the same issue of the journal Nature.[2][3] This hypothesis proposes that the sun may have an as yet undetected companion star in a highly elliptical orbit that periodically disturbs comets in the Oort cloud, causing a large increase in the number of comets visiting the inner solar system with a consequential increase in impact events on Earth. This became known as the Nemesis (or, more colorfully, Death Star) hypothesis. If it does exist, the exact nature of Nemesis is uncertain. Richard A. Muller suggests that the most likely object is a red dwarf with magnitude between 7 and 12,[4] while Daniel P. Whitmire and Albert A. Jackson argue for a brown dwarf. If a red dwarf, it would undoubtedly already exist in star catalogs, but its true nature would only be detectable by measuring its parallax; due to orbiting the Sun it would have a very low proper motion and would escape detection by proper motion surveys that have found stars like the 9th magnitude Barnard's star. The last major extinction event was about 5 million years ago, so Muller posits that Nemesis is likely 1 to 1.5 light years away at
Re: [meteorite-list] Odd Ebay auction
It looks like polished hematite to me. But I guess it could be almost anything. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: impact...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: magel...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Odd Ebay auction Hello again, I just an email asking about this auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=380117353508 The question is: Is this really carved out of an iron meteorite? And if not, what is it? Frankly I don't know. It does not even look metallic to me. Could one of you answer that questions? Thank you. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
