Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Sanity check on hCard usage
OK, so this span class=fnChattingChuck/span would produce a blank N, but the implied nickname rule would kick in to produce nickname:ChattingChuck? If so, then the remaining question is: Is this useful enough to mark up as an hcard? There's not much you can do with the nickname without more context except display it. brian suda wrote: Actually, the ONLY property that is mandatory is FN (and the root class of vcard). The N property can be extracted from an FN (when possible). So in the example you would need: li class=vcardspan class=fn nicknameChattingChuck/span/li There is also an implied-nickname rule that if a FN is only one word long it is used. So class=nickname is redundant. In this case since there is no explicit N, and since the FN does not meet the implied N rule, the N value in the final output will be N:; (blank) -brian Chris Messina wrote: I think in order to validate, you need to supply at least the 'n' value, even if the screenname is not the actual name: li class=vcardspan class=n nicknameChattingChuck/span/li On the other hand, I don't know if you *should* mark up those fragments as hcards given the 'n' requirement... I think it's good to be semantic to the last drop, but I think Tantek's advice on this issue would help: how little data can substantiate hcard markup? Chris On 5/23/06, John Panzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I have a use case for displaying lists of people (readers of a blog) which seems reasonable to mark up using XOXO and hCard. However, in at least some of the cases the only piece of information I have about a user is their login ID, which is an AOL/AIM 'screen name'. Is this a reasonable minimal hCard markup for these cases? li class=vcardspan class=nicknameChattingChuck/span/li Two questions here: (1) is nickname the right way to say this and (2) is this sufficient to be a reasonable if minimal hCard? Thanks, John Panzer ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Sanity check on hCard usage
On May 24, 2006, at 12:35 PM, Scott Reynen wrote: On May 24, 2006, at 11:11 AM, John Panzer wrote: Is this useful enough to mark up as an hcard? There's not much you can do with the nickname without more context except display it. When I get an email or IM from someone I've previously known only as nickname on some website, I generally create a new vcard for them so I'll know who they are the next time they contact me. If I already had a vcard with their nickname already in it, this would save me one step. I'd say hcards are useful for any person or organization someone might conceivably want to contact. Whether or not that usefulness is worth the trouble of marking it up as an hcard will depend on your context of course, but it's usually a quick task to add a few class names to a dynamic system. Peace, Scott yes, it very much depends on context.. but it also depends on the nickname actually being used. Could be useful... span class=fnChattingChuck/span span class=fnpnhChris/span span class=fnjpanzer/span Probably not useful... span class=fnChris/span span class=fnAdmin/span span class=fnAnonymous/span All of the above could be pulling form the same field (e.g. wordpress user or commenter nick) but they vary quite a bit in usefulness on extraction -- [ Chris Casciano ] [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ http://placenamehere.com ] ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Sanity check on hCard usage
John, You can make it even more useful since *you* know that the nickname is an *AIM screen name*. Hint: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#AOL_Instant_Messenger_.28AIM.29 Tantek On 5/24/06 9:11 AM, John Panzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, so this span class=fnChattingChuck/span would produce a blank N, but the implied nickname rule would kick in to produce nickname:ChattingChuck? If so, then the remaining question is: Is this useful enough to mark up as an hcard? There's not much you can do with the nickname without more context except display it. brian suda wrote: Actually, the ONLY property that is mandatory is FN (and the root class of vcard). The N property can be extracted from an FN (when possible). So in the example you would need: li class=vcardspan class=fn nicknameChattingChuck/span/li There is also an implied-nickname rule that if a FN is only one word long it is used. So class=nickname is redundant. In this case since there is no explicit N, and since the FN does not meet the implied N rule, the N value in the final output will be N:; (blank) -brian Chris Messina wrote: I think in order to validate, you need to supply at least the 'n' value, even if the screenname is not the actual name: li class=vcardspan class=n nicknameChattingChuck/span/li On the other hand, I don't know if you *should* mark up those fragments as hcards given the 'n' requirement... I think it's good to be semantic to the last drop, but I think Tantek's advice on this issue would help: how little data can substantiate hcard markup? Chris On 5/23/06, John Panzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I have a use case for displaying lists of people (readers of a blog) which seems reasonable to mark up using XOXO and hCard. However, in at least some of the cases the only piece of information I have about a user is their login ID, which is an AOL/AIM 'screen name'. Is this a reasonable minimal hCard markup for these cases? li class=vcardspan class=nicknameChattingChuck/span/li Two questions here: (1) is nickname the right way to say this and (2) is this sufficient to be a reasonable if minimal hCard? Thanks, John Panzer ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Proposing a hAtom IRC meetup
On May 23, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Robert Bachmann wrote: I'd like to propose an IRC meetup about hAtom. Good times for me: Thursday 25th May, 04:00Z - Friday 16:00Z Give me a time and i'll try and be on (within reason for -0500).. but i don't really have a 'good' time in the next week or two to propose anything -- [ Chris Casciano ] [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ http://placenamehere.com ] ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
[uf-discuss] hDinner
I am going to throw a date on a table next Microformats dinner: Tuesday, May 30, 7:00pm. http://upcoming.org/event/80636 But where in Bay Area? I will be in Santa Clara, but can drive pretty much anywhere within a couple of hours. Any favorites? :DG ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
[uf-discuss] Microformats talk at Internet Professionals Association of Alabama
Is this worthy of mentioning on the wiki events? http://www.ipsaonline.org/ Let me know and I'll throw it up there. :DG ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats talk at Internet Professionals Association of Alabama
Dimitri Glazkov wrote: Is this worthy of mentioning on the wiki events? They have the Internet now in Alabama? I'd say that's definitely worthy of the wiki. Atamido - who hopes people know he thinks he's funny. ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
[uf-discuss] Re: hDinner
We've talked of doing a winecamp report-back at the Net2 conference in santa clara on tues night... Obviously I'd like to attend both, but that notwithstanding, maybe wed would be better (thurs is coworking meetup)? Chris On 5/24/06, Dimitri Glazkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to throw a date on a table next Microformats dinner: Tuesday, May 30, 7:00pm. http://upcoming.org/event/80636 But where in Bay Area? I will be in Santa Clara, but can drive pretty much anywhere within a couple of hours. Any favorites? :DG ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
