Re: [uf-discuss] [hCite] call for examples: language
On Jan 31, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Michael McCracken wrote: If we use @lang, doesn't that mean we're specifying the language of the words in the hCite element, but not necessarily the language of the thing we're citing? Practically aren't these the same thing? //Ed ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] hCite progress
On Nov 13, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: But I do feel strongly that page count is beyond scope. Do we want to then include ways to encode the length of a CD or a DVD film or an HTML document? I think not, particularly when there are more important issues to worry about. +1 ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Citation Microformat: LazyWeb for BibTeXperts
On Oct 6, 2006, at 8:50 AM, Brian Suda wrote: I think if we get some test cases and see where things fall down and itterate from there. We'll never get everything perfect, we just have to take off our citation expert glasses/hats and agree when we've hit that 80% mark of what IS ACTUALLY being published on the web. brian, first off -- you rule... Is it premature to add x2c to the hg repository [1] and starting to work on some test cases? //Ed [1] http://hg.microformats.org/ ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Flock + Microformats
On Sep 14, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Ian McKellar wrote: Bah! Lucene is basically a red herring. We need some way of storing searchable semantic data though. Promoting/adding uf support to nutch [1] on the other hand would be pretty rad. //Ed [1] http://lucene.apache.org/nutch/about.html ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] OpenSearch
On Aug 30, 2006, at 9:36 AM, David Janes wrote: The reason I think that (2) is needed is: (a) profiles are not manditory, so we can't depend on their presence (b) the search-results consumer, knowing that there is hAtom search results, may want not to read the URL at all (prefering a proxy to do it) (c) there is and will continue to be pages that have HTML but not hAtom So are you proposing an extension to OpenSearch to support hAtom; or that a MIME type is established for hAtom? //Ed ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] OpenSearch
On Aug 30, 2006, at 9:52 AM, David Janes wrote: I'm not sure how to be clearer: my first message in this thread suggests in point (2) add a single-field extension to OpenSearch XML; my second message says adding a MIME type is not the solution [1]. OK, so an extension to OpenSearch since OpenSearch currently uses MIME types to distinguish the type of a response. IMHO this is undesirable since it essentially makes opensearch treat microformats (hAtom) as a special case. But maybe I've got something wrong here with my understanding of OpenSearch. I just pinged people over on opensearch-discuss [1] to take a look at this thread so maybe more light is available. //Ed [1] http://opensearch.org/pipermail/discuss/2006-August/57.html ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] OpenSearch
more light: http://wiki.unto.net/OpenSearch_and_microformats //Ed ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Joining CalConnect?
Speaking of calendars--has anyone checked out http://backpackit.com/ calendar to see if it supports any hCal goodness? //Ed ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up
On Jun 2, 2006, at 5:48 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Perhaps not a microformat, in the sense used here, but I feel that there should be some way (or is there already?) for marking up an ISBN number, so that it is recognisable as such. Was this ever resolved? I recall that discussion seemed to get sidetracked... Not resolved by any means, but UID brainstorming [1] mentions a way of marking up identifiers including ISBNs. abbr class=uid title=urn:isbn:09507881200 9507881-2-0/abbr Please feel free to add you thoughts/ideas. //Ed [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/uid-brainstorming ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Citation Straw Proposal II
On Apr 29, 2006, at 1:58 PM, Brian Suda wrote: I have spent some time reviewing the examples and the formats on the wiki. Here is the list of the implied schemas. These are the common fields amongst the examples. I then looked at the cross over between the real-world examples and the formats and have created a straw proposal from that. Nice work Brian. At the moment it is pretty strict, i only included VERY common properties - it is easier to make additions than subtractions - so if there is a property that is NOT in the straw proposal please speak-up. I noticed a couple things: - you have audience as not being in the implied schema for formats but it is actually a valid DC element, albeit not in the core set. - journal is missing from the implied schema for examples. There are several examples that use include a journal ACM Digital Library, Self- Citation Example, IEEE Search Results, CiteSeer, PubMed Medical Journal Example. Indeed it's even listed in the 'Implied Schema' [1]. Some of the examples that had journal names neglected to break it out as such though (which I've just remedied), so that might have added some obscurity. Being able to mark up a journal is pretty important for academic citations. Also I'm a bit confused by: p class=citationHave you read span class=titleabbr title=book class=formatFoo Bar/abbr/span? It was written by span class=author vcardspan class=fnJohn Doe/span/span. It only came out a abbr class=dtpublished title=20060101few months ago/abbr/p What function is the title attribute in abbr title=book ... serving here? I guess the draft will reference the Datetime Design Pattern [2] explicitly? Speaking of a draft--lets write one! Is that the next logical step in the process? Thanks so much for your continued efforts! //Ed [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/citation-examples#Implied_schema [2] http://microformats.org/wiki/datetime-design-pattern ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] meeting minutes: microformats needed?
On May 3, 2006, at 5:29 AM, brush wrote: *new microformat?: hparticipants (multiple hcards plus class=role) -- could be useful in many other circumstances If a role could somehow be assigned to an hCard it would be very useful in the citation microformat for authors, editors, translators, etc... //Ed ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
[uf-discuss] role and hCard was: meeting minutes: microformats needed?
On May 3, 2006, at 7:29 AM, Scott Reynen wrote: Doesn't the ROLE property already serve this purpose? Yes, perfect! I was hoping that someone who knew vCard better than me could provide a pointer. /me annotates the citation-brainstorming page with the info //Ed ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: uid microformats? (was Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up)
On Apr 26, 2006, at 11:54 AM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: So I'd say that URLs should only be preferred where one is referring to a particular item whose canonical location is in fact on the web. E.g. when you have a web resource, use a URL. Otherwise, prefer a urn, and then perhaps other similar options such as info. Definitely add this stuff to the wiki Bruce. Since both URLs and URNs are URIs I would like to see UID *recommend* that people use a URI. Perhaps this is dropping the barrier to entry too low...but it seems to be keeping the spirit of RFC 2426 3.6.7. OK, now I sound like a lawyer...where's my paycheck! //Ed ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: uid microformats? (was Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up)
On Apr 25, 2006, at 6:47 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: FWIW, I like Xiaoming's suggestion. I'm glad Xiaoming expressed the case for URI so well. I just added it to the uid-brainstorming [1] page. I have to admit I've seen the need for a identifying URIs elsewhere and when Tantek pinged microformats- discuss with a straw proposal [2] that would help the LiveClipboard and upcoming.org folks I saw an opening to sneak in functionality for marking up URIs more generally. The naming 'uri' vs 'uid' aside, would it be reasonable to RECOMMEND that a URI is used (thus including URLs) and leaving the door open to less useful ids should people want to use them? This would allow the current hCard behavior to be preserved: UID in vCard simply becomes another semantic applied to a specific URL (or EMAIL) for an hCard. As Xiaoming suggests both 'http' and 'mailto' are valid URI schemes in RFC4395. Allowing a UID this flexibility would mean a UID could serve as a module that hCard and hCalendar (and perhaps an hCite and others) reference. //Ed [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/uid-brainstorming#Proposals [2] http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006- April/003726.html ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: uid microformats? (was Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up)
On Apr 24, 2006, at 9:34 AM, Edward Summers wrote: In light of this I've added http://microformats.org/uid Please feel free to fill in the gaping holes and add your thoughts! http://microformats.org/wiki/uid rather /me gulps coffee ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up
On Apr 21, 2006, at 8:08 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: Perhaps not a microformat, in the sense used here, but I feel that there should be some way (or is there already?) for marking up an ISBN number, so that it is recognisable as such. Yes, Dan Chudnov (they guy behind COinS) actually started a conversation about an identifier microformat on here several months ago: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2005- November/002106.html I agree, an identifier microformat could be used for ISBNs, ISSNs, DOIs, UPCs, etc. How about we start a page for this on the wiki? RFC 4452 makes would mesh nicely with a decent identifier microformat. Let's get this going. //Ed [1] http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4452.txt ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Citation IRC Meet-up Time
On Apr 10, 2006, at 11:22 AM, Tantek Çelik wrote: implied schema analysis I'm a bit lost about what this is. Doesn't the comparison chart fit this requirement? Perhaps I missed the discussion but what is currently not good about the *-examples, *-formats, and *-brainstorming pages. Maybe next time you or Ryan could actually contribute to the irc discussion eh? It was our understanding from Brian during the meetup that throwing together a draft to throw darts at might be a good place to try to consolidate thought at this point, given the wide variety of info on the wiki. //Ed ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Citation format straw proposal on the wiki
On Mar 29, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Michael McCracken wrote: In my opinion, converting losslessly is not the aim. Given a microformatted citation, I should be able to take one more step and find enough information to populate a full format, but I don't think embedding a full bibliograhpic record at a citation point really follows existing practice. And it might result in a format that is huge and hard to understand, inhibiting adoption. +1 I think it would be a mistake to focus (even briefly) on the holy grail of lossless conversion between metadata formats. I like the microformat way of focusing on how people have published citation on the web, and how to mark them up using (hopefully) familiar and reused terminology. It's just that this has proved (at least to me) to be a very difficult task. It's *awesome* to see the strawman proposal on the wiki--it feels like we just need a foothold here to get some traction. It's also cool to hear Brian and Ryan might be able to build up some consensus leading up to XTECH. This microformat is going to be like a fine wine...I just hope we won't have to drive a car into a tree to explain why we look so beat up :-) //Ed ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Citation format straw proposal on the wiki
On Mar 29, 2006, at 1:44 PM, brian suda wrote: Another thing that really helped some hCalendar discussion was to plan an IRC meet-up, We all selected a time when we could meet online and knocked-out several of issues at once. Would folks be up for that? if so i can get a sort of agenda together about loose ends and coordinate a time. definitely a good idea brian -- i'm in. //Ed ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog
On Dec 19, 2005, at 11:21 PM, Phillip Pearson wrote: Perhaps the example could look something like this in XHTML: div class=book lang=en h3 class=fnArithmetic //h3 pBy span class=creatorspan class=fnSandburg, Carl/ span, span class=date1878-1967/span/span, and span class=illustratorRand, Ted/span/p pPublisher: span class=publisherspan class=fnHarcourt Brace Jovanovich/span, span class=localitySan Diego/span/ span/p pPublished: span class=issued1993/span/p p class=descriptionA poem about numbers and their characteristics. Features anamorphic, or distorted, drawings which can be restored to normal by viewing from a particular angle or by viewing the image's reflection in the provided Mylar cone./p p class=noteOne Mylar sheet included in pocket./p pSubjects:/p ul li class=subjectArithmetic/li li class=subjectChildren's poetry, American./li li class=subjectArithmetic/li li class=subjectAmerican poetry/li li class=subjectVisual perception/li /ul /div It would be nice to have this on the wiki somewhere, perhaps on the http://microformats.org/wiki/cite-brainstorming ? //Ed ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
