[uf-discuss] [ANN:] Hypertext Friend of a Friend (hFoaF)
Hello all, I am Pleased to announce Hypertext Friend of a Friend or hFoaF. hFoaF came to be because I noticed a patten of people trying to consolidate their identity's, express interests, and friends in their user profiles and homepages using hcard[1] and a url with the XFN[2] rel=me, marking up their friends and colleagues with simple anchor text links and other XFN values, and expressing their interests by using either xFolk[3] or hAtom[4]. How common is this pattern, well to be honest not many every user profile at Ma.Gnolia[5] is marked up in this way, and Tantek's homepage[6] is also marked up in this way. others are, Lasfm, twitter, and nsyght Profiles but the markup (for me) is so difficult to tidy and parse that with the exception of nsyght it is difficult extract anything useful :( examples: Using the transformer available at, http://weborganics.co.uk/hFoaf/?id= source: http://www.tantek.com/ output: http://tinyurl.com/3g4dv5 source: http://ma.gnolia.com/people/aarongustafson output: http://tinyurl.com/3eqzya Using GRDDL available at, http://www.w3.org/2007/08/grddl/?docAddr= profile: http://weborganics.co.uk/Profiles/hFoaF.xsl source: http://weborganics.co.uk/ output: http://tinyurl.com/3ucx9z If you are interested in the source code or would like to know a little more please visit http://weborganics.co.uk/hFoaf/ As usual comments constructive criticism welcome. Thanks. [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard [2] http://microformats.org/wiki/xfn [3] http://microformats.org/wiki/xfolk [4] http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom [5] http://ma.gnolia.com/ [6] http://www.tantek.com/ Martin McEvoy http://weborganics.co.uk/ ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] [ANN:] Hypertext Friend of a Friend (hFoaF)
I just tried on my own blog, without any changes to the current markup: http://xml.mfd-consult.dk/foaf/explorer/?foaf=http%3A%2F%2Fweborganics.co.uk%2FhFoaF%2F%3Fid%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fandr3.net%2Fblog It worked pretty well!! (I'm using xFolk to mark up the blog entries, but I'm considering changing to hAtom.) Just trying to contribute with an example in the wild. I like the idea... basically you're just suggesting a way of putting hcard+xfn+(hatom/xfolk) together in a simple way. Having a specific format to aim for (and to call it) will surely help convergence in implementations. Looking forward to see what other fine folks have to say. Great work Martin. -- André Luís On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I am Pleased to announce Hypertext Friend of a Friend or hFoaF. hFoaF came to be because I noticed a patten of people trying to consolidate their identity's, express interests, and friends in their user profiles and homepages using hcard[1] and a url with the XFN[2] rel=me, marking up their friends and colleagues with simple anchor text links and other XFN values, and expressing their interests by using either xFolk[3] or hAtom[4]. How common is this pattern, well to be honest not many every user profile at Ma.Gnolia[5] is marked up in this way, and Tantek's homepage[6] is also marked up in this way. others are, Lasfm, twitter, and nsyght Profiles but the markup (for me) is so difficult to tidy and parse that with the exception of nsyght it is difficult extract anything useful :( examples: Using the transformer available at, http://weborganics.co.uk/hFoaf/?id= source: http://www.tantek.com/ output: http://tinyurl.com/3g4dv5 source: http://ma.gnolia.com/people/aarongustafson output: http://tinyurl.com/3eqzya Using GRDDL available at, http://www.w3.org/2007/08/grddl/?docAddr= profile: http://weborganics.co.uk/Profiles/hFoaF.xsl source: http://weborganics.co.uk/ output: http://tinyurl.com/3ucx9z If you are interested in the source code or would like to know a little more please visit http://weborganics.co.uk/hFoaf/ As usual comments constructive criticism welcome. Thanks. [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard [2] http://microformats.org/wiki/xfn [3] http://microformats.org/wiki/xfolk [4] http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom [5] http://ma.gnolia.com/ [6] http://www.tantek.com/ Martin McEvoy http://weborganics.co.uk/ ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] [ANN:] Hypertext Friend of a Friend (hFoaF)
Hello André On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 12:10 +0100, André Luís wrote: I just tried on my own blog, without any changes to the current markup: http://xml.mfd-consult.dk/foaf/explorer/?foaf=http%3A%2F% 2Fweborganics.co.uk%2FhFoaF%2F%3Fid%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fandr3.net%2Fblog It worked pretty well!! Glad It did ;) Please can I add you to the example output section on the hFoaF page. Thanks Martin McEvoy ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] [ANN:] Hypertext Friend of a Friend (hFoaF)
On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 12:10 +0100, André Luís wrote: I like the idea... basically you're just suggesting a way of putting hcard+xfn+(hatom/xfolk) together in a simple way. Having a specific format to aim for (and to call it) will surely help convergence in implementations. Yes I guess that's the Idea. Martin McEvoy ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] [ANN:] Hypertext Friend of a Friend (hFoaF)
Ok just to clear it up, are you actually suggesting a new format? or are you suggesting a best-practice for publishers to implement these formats in such a way as to enable a more complete conversion to FOAF? -- André Luís On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 12:10 +0100, André Luís wrote: I like the idea... basically you're just suggesting a way of putting hcard+xfn+(hatom/xfolk) together in a simple way. Having a specific format to aim for (and to call it) will surely help convergence in implementations. Yes I guess that's the Idea. Martin McEvoy ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] [ANN:] Hypertext Friend of a Friend (hFoaF)
On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 20:57 +0100, André Luís wrote: Ok just to clear it up, are you actually suggesting a new format? or are you suggesting a best-practice for publishers to implement these formats in such a way as to enable a more complete conversion to FOAF? Im not sure yet there are more than a few people already publishing this way so at the moment I would say that its just best practice or you could say I am just recognising a design pattern in our own community. A hFoaF format certainly looks desirable FoaF basically is just a machine readable homepage so it would seem natural to want to embed FoaF in html and make it represent an actual homepage too, last time I looked according to ping the semantic web[1] there are around a million FoaF documents out there so yes I think this should maybe be a format what do you think? [1] http://pingthesemanticweb.com/stats/namespaces.php Thanks Martin McEvoy -- André Luís On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 12:10 +0100, André Luís wrote: I like the idea... basically you're just suggesting a way of putting hcard+xfn+(hatom/xfolk) together in a simple way. Having a specific format to aim for (and to call it) will surely help convergence in implementations. Yes I guess that's the Idea. Martin McEvoy ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
