[uf-discuss] hyperlink include-pattern - keyboard issue
I edited the page on the wiki, but thought I'd bring it up here as well http://microformats.org/wiki/include-pattern-feedback#Hyperlink_Include_-_issues_for_keyboard_users_.28including_Screen_Reader_users.29 Although invisible in visual user agents, and (according to the JAWS 7.0 test below) not spoken by screen readers (at least not by JAWS 7.0), empty links are still contained in the normal tab cycle. Users navigating via keyboard (or equivalent, e.g. switch access, puff/blow devices, etc) will still need to tab through the empty links (tested in Firefox 2.0, IE 6, IE 7; Opera 9.2 seems to remove empty links from tab cycle). This can be verified by modifying the test page below, adding a regular link at the end of the 5 variations of empty links. It takes a user 6 tabs to arrive at the real link. It would therefore be advisable to rethink the approach, or scrap it completely. P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ Take it to the streets ... join the WaSP Street Team http://streetteam.webstandards.org/ __ ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] hyperlink include-pattern - keyboard issue
On 5/1/07 9:47 AM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would therefore be advisable to rethink the approach, Alternatives to the current include-pattern solutions, along with comparisons with existing techniques, are encouraged. or scrap it completely. Currently it is the best we have, and the benefits (being able to markup content with shared chunks with microformats) greatly outweigh the costs. Microformats tends to take a positive attitude of developing and using the best techniques we can come up with, rather than banning/blocking techniques for reasons of fear or cost. To scrap something, there must be a better alternative provided which addresses the same problem(s) at least as well, with lower costs. Tantek ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] hyperlink include-pattern - keyboard issue
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 5/1/07 9:47 AM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would therefore be advisable to rethink the approach, or scrap it completely. Microformats tends to take a positive attitude of developing and using the best techniques we can come up with, rather than banning/blocking techniques for reasons of fear or cost. Nobody was suggesting scrapping anything for reasons of fear or cost (leastways, not financial cost - there may certainly be said to be a practical cost to people using assistive technologies). -- Andy Mabbett * Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ * Free Our Data: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk * Are you using Microformats, yet: http://microformats.org/ ? ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] hyperlink include-pattern - keyboard issue
Andy Mabbett wrote: Nobody was suggesting scrapping anything for reasons of fear or cost (leastways, not financial cost - there may certainly be said to be a practical cost to people using assistive technologies). Not even limited to assistive technology. This affects all users without screen reader who just happen to use a keyboard (or equivalent), rather than a mouse, for navigation, in some of the major current browsers. P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ Take it to the streets ... join the WaSP Street Team http://streetteam.webstandards.org/ __ ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
