Re: [uf-discuss] uF's on stand-alone phone numbers.

2007-08-23 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes

 - only mark up the phone number itself, and violate the hCard specs?

That wouldn't violate the hCard spec per se, in that you wouldn't
have an invalid hCard, you wouldn't have an hCard at all.

If the OP was thinking of:

span class=vcard
span class=tel+43 780 004711/span
/span

that would be an invalid hCard.

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Re: [uf-discuss] uF's on stand-alone phone numbers.

2007-08-23 Thread Andy Mabbett
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Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes



 span class=vcardspan class=fn org tel+43 780 004711/span/span

I don't know if fn and org really belong in there.

Why would they not?

The number is the telephone number of the contact or entity named,
identified or labelled as +43 780 004711.


Just because you can identify someone (or some group) by a phone number 
doesn't make that their name.


Indeed not; but in the example, given, the phone number is the subject 
of the page concerned; the number *is* the name-label of that subject.


Perhaps it would help to consider a row of three, adjacent and otherwise 
identical pay-phones, Their *only* distinguishing labels are their 
telephone numbers.


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Re: [uf-discuss] uF's on stand-alone phone numbers.

2007-08-23 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 12:46 -0700, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:
 Hello Andy,
 
 On 8/23/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In message
  [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles
  Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
 
  On 8/23/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  [...]
  
   span class=vcardspan class=fn org tel+43 780 004711/span/span
  
  I don't know if fn and org really belong in there.
 
  Why would they not?
 
  The number is the telephone number of the contact or entity named,
  identified or labelled as +43 780 004711.
 
 Just because you can identify someone (or some group) by a phone
 number doesn't make that their name.
 
 It's like... you can identify someone by their SIN (... or Social
 Security # in the USA)... but that does NOT make that their name.  And
 thus you would NOT put a fn on that.

FN [1] represents the name of the object not a person so to speak

so the use of fn in Andys example is fair use I would say.

Thanks
Martin

[1] 3.1.1 FN Type Definition http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2426.txt 


 
 
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Re: [uf-discuss] uF's on stand-alone phone numbers.

2007-08-23 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Martin,

On 8/23/07, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[...]

  Just because you can identify someone (or some group) by a phone
  number doesn't make that their name.
 
  It's like... you can identify someone by their SIN (... or Social
  Security # in the USA)... but that does NOT make that their name.  And
  thus you would NOT put a fn on that.

 FN [1] represents the name of the object not a person so to speak

 so the use of fn in Andys example is fair use I would say.

In the example we had, as I understood it, this is a telephone number
of a person or a company.

So... the object is either a person or a company.

And given that, I would say that it isn't fair to apply the fn to
the telephone number, since it is NOT the name of a person or object.


I do understand what you are saying... that the telephone number if
the object (and not a person or a company)... but I don't think that
is what the website that that came from is shooting for.  Correct me
if I'm wrong though... but seems that the number is suppose to belong
to some person or company.


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