Re: [uf-discuss] Hatom or hcalendar?
Chris asked: Question: would you mark up Twitter statuses with hatom or hcalendar? The reason I ask is that Jeremy Keith's lifestream uses hcalendar -- and that statuses have either a title or content, but not both -- whereas the status itself could be consider the hcalendar summary... This is a really good question. My first thought was Yeah, why *didn't* I use hAtom? After all, there's nothing to stop me using both hCalendar and hAtom... So I started editing the template and I hit a snag: I don't have an author listed for each entry. Author is required for hAtom. Now, I could just put a single hCard somewhere within the hAtom feed and that would solve the problem: From http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom: If the Entry Author is missing, find the Nearest In Parent address element(s) with class name author and that is/are a valid hCard But I'm not publishing an address already and isn't the whole idea of microformats that we don't change *what* we're publishing, just add more meaning to what we're already publishing? Of course, I can go ahead and add the hAtom classes anyway: http://lifestream.adactio.com/ But that's not a valid hAtom feed. I have to say that I find it a little weird that author is required but entry-title is not. Looking at the Atom spec, title is a required feed element and author is recommended. For hAtom, that's been inverted: http://atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/#requiredFeedElements This has probably been discussed before, right? If anybody has some URLs pointing to previous discussions of this issue, that'd be much appreciated. Bye, Jeremy -- Jeremy Keith a d a c t i o http://adactio.com/ ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Hatom or hcalendar?
On 3/23/07, Jeremy Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a really good question. My first thought was Yeah, why *didn't* I use hAtom? After all, there's nothing to stop me using both hCalendar and hAtom... So I started editing the template and I hit a snag: I don't have an author listed for each entry. Author is required for hAtom. Now, I could just put a single hCard somewhere within the hAtom feed and that would solve the problem: From http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom: If the Entry Author is missing, find the Nearest In Parent address element(s) with class name author and that is/are a valid hCard But I'm not publishing an address already and isn't the whole idea of microformats that we don't change *what* we're publishing, just add more meaning to what we're already publishing? Of course, I can go ahead and add the hAtom classes anyway: http://lifestream.adactio.com/ But that's not a valid hAtom feed. My belief now is that hAtom 0.2 should provide a better set of defaulting rules, especially for author. It's crazy that hAtom brings you 95% of the way to marking up microcontent and then lets down what seems to be a fairly common use case. What this default should be is a mystery, perhaps something like page or anonymous with the url to be that of the page. I have to say that I find it a little weird that author is required but entry-title is not. Looking at the Atom spec, title is a required feed element and author is recommended. For hAtom, that's been inverted: http://atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/#requiredFeedElements No, this [1] is what you want to be looking at. Regards, etc... David [1] http://atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/#recommendedEntryElements -- David Janes Founder, BlogMatrix http://www.blogmatrix.com http://blogmatrix.blogmatrix.com ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Hatom or hcalendar?
On Mar 23, 2007, at 8:09 AM, Jeremy Keith wrote: But I'm not publishing an address already and isn't the whole idea of microformats that we don't change *what* we're publishing, just add more meaning to what we're already publishing? Of course, I can go ahead and add the hAtom classes anyway: http://lifestream.adactio.com/ But that's not a valid hAtom feed. I have to say that I find it a little weird that author is required but entry-title is not. Looking at the Atom spec, title is a required feed element and author is recommended. For hAtom, that's been inverted: http://atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/#requiredFeedElements This has probably been discussed before, right? If anybody has some URLs pointing to previous discussions of this issue, that'd be much appreciated. without touching on the core issues [way to early to think my way through the docs] looking at the page, though sparse, it does strike me that you are already posting URL, nick and potentially logo/photo [if you consider it such] in the following markup: h1a href=http://adactio.com/; accesskey=1 title=Home (access key: 1)img src=images/logo.gif alt=adactio //a/h1 i'll leave you to decide how to best turn that into a vcard that that can be associated with the hatom feed [but expanding the scope of the hatom root node would avoid need for some things like use of the nearest in parent fallback. -- [ Chris Casciano ] [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ http://placenamehere.com ] ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Hatom or hcalendar?
David wrote: No, this [1] is what you want to be looking at. [1] http://atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/ #recommendedEntryElements Ah, I stand corrected. I didn't read closely enough: Names one author of the entry. An entry may have multiple authors. An entry must contain at least one author element unless there is an author element in the enclosing feed, or there is an author element in the enclosed source element. Thanks for the correction. Chris C. wrote: without touching on the core issues [way to early to think my way through the docs] looking at the page, though sparse, it does strike me that you are already posting URL, nick and potentially logo/photo [if you consider it such] in the following markup: h1a href=http://adactio.com/; accesskey=1 title=Home (access key: 1)img src=images/logo.gif alt=adactio //a/h1 Good point. I'll get on that. Thanks. Bye, Jeremy -- Jeremy Keith a d a c t i o http://adactio.com/ ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Hatom or hcalendar?
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes So I started editing the template and I hit a snag: I don't have an author listed for each entry. Author is required for hAtom. Now, I could just put a single hCard somewhere within the hAtom feed and that would solve the problem: From http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom: If the Entry Author is missing, find the Nearest In Parent address element(s) with class name author and that is/are a valid hCard But I'm not publishing an address already and isn't the whole idea of microformats that we don't change *what* we're publishing, just add more meaning to what we're already publishing? I can add a +1 to that. When I came to add hAtom to several pages, for example: http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/new.htm I had no author on the page. It prompted me to include a footer, with an hCard, in every age, which itself was a good thing, but that may have been either desirable nor possible. Furthermore, if people subscribe to the resultant feed, they don't even get to see the author details! -- Andy Mabbett http://www.pigsonthewing.org.uk/uFsig/ Welcome to the world's longest week! ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
