[uf-new] hAudio Examples (was: hAudio Specification Page is published)

2007-11-03 Thread Ben Ward

On 3 Nov 2007, at 15:42, Manu Sporny wrote:

The hAudio Draft Specification has a new home:

http://microformats.org/wiki/haudio


I've been through and edited the examples to fix issues with  
validation and incorrect closing tags.


I have the following issues with them:

• class=price should not include mark-up from a currency proposal.  
It could endorse, promote and spread use of mark-up that is later  
discarded as sub-optimal. I don't think the hAudio spec should  
advocate use of an unfinished microformat at all.


span class=price£1/span should be sufficient for these examples  
at the moment.


• All uses of the ABBR pattern for dates and times should use  
hyphenated separators. We're still in an accessibility grey spot with  
regards to the whole thing, but it was noted that splitting dates  
with hyphens made it acceptable in some cases (2007-11-03 over  
20071103). I don't know what the effect is of your new duration  
abbreviations. It's important that someone with access to the right  
equipment tests those expansions with assistive technology. If it's  
appropriate to hyphenate the expansions in the time formats, then  
they should be.


• I'm of the view that whilst use of HTML elements should be neutral  
wherever possible (SPAN, DIV), use of presentational elements such as  
BR should not feature in our examples. Some of the examples are using  
BR to change the presentation. These should be reworked somehow.


Ben


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Re: [uf-new] hAudio Examples (was: hAudio Specification Page is published)

2007-11-03 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 02:06 +, Martin McEvoy wrote:
 On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 01:34 +, Ben Ward wrote:
  On 3 Nov 2007, at 15:42, Manu Sporny wrote:
   The hAudio Draft Specification has a new home:
  
   http://microformats.org/wiki/haudio
  
  I've been through and edited the examples to fix issues with  
  validation and incorrect closing tags.
  
  I have the following issues with them:
  
  • class=price should not include mark-up from a currency proposal.  
  It could endorse, promote and spread use of mark-up that is later  
  discarded as sub-optimal. I don't think the hAudio spec should  
  advocate use of an unfinished microformat at all.
  
  span class=price£1/span should be sufficient for these examples  
  at the moment.
 
 Much Like the hListing proposal
 http://microformats.org/wiki/hlisting-proposal#Simple_Listing
 
 Agreed

In principal

although I am unsure of when the proposal adopted the use of
class=price as It was previously agreed that we use the currency
proposal
http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-June/000563.html

Although I am not sure if the proposal has changed since then

Maybe someone can point out when? 

Thanks

Martin
 
  
  • All uses of the ABBR pattern for dates and times should use  
  hyphenated separators. We're still in an accessibility grey spot with  
  regards to the whole thing, but it was noted that splitting dates  
  with hyphens made it acceptable in some cases (2007-11-03 over  
  20071103). I don't know what the effect is of your new duration  
  abbreviations. It's important that someone with access to the right  
  equipment tests those expansions with assistive technology. If it's  
  appropriate to hyphenate the expansions in the time formats, then  
  they should be.
 
 My Preference for now is simply to use
 
 span class=duration4:44/span 
 
 which I believe is an ISO 8601 time format
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#General_principles
 
 any use of the abbr design pattern I think should be kept to a minimal
 in the creation of hAudio, or any new Microformat for that matter.
 
  
  • I'm of the view that whilst use of HTML elements should be neutral  
  wherever possible (SPAN, DIV), use of presentational elements such as  
  BR should not feature in our examples. Some of the examples are using  
  BR to change the presentation. These should be reworked somehow.
  
  Ben
 
 Thanks
 
 Martin
  
  
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