Re: [uf-new] hAudio position and description properties

2007-10-07 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Sun, 2007-10-07 at 03:47 +0100, Martin McEvoy wrote:
 On Sat, 2007-10-06 at 21:08 -0400, Manu Sporny wrote:
  Most of the day today was spent re-analyzing all of the music service
  and podcast websites in audio-info-examples using Microformalyze. The
  raw analysis data is available here:
  
  http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-examples#Microformalyze_Data_Files
  
  The analysis is available here:
  
  http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-examples#Analysis_of_Music_Services
  
  http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-examples#Analysis_of_Music_Podcasts
  
  The new analysis shows very strong support for POSITION. This property
  is displayed in 70.73% of 41 music service websites analyzed and 100% of
  the 8 podcast websites analyzed.
 
 I found No evidence of Position as far as podcasting is concerned
 although all the examples make a reference to episode I am not sure that
 this is the same thing, Can I also point out that podcasting Is NOT a
 problem area for this discussion.
 
 However Position Is something that should be supported As far as Music
 Downloads are concerned
 
 +1 for Position
 
  
  There is also enough support to meet the 80/20 rule for DESCRIPTION.
  This property is displayed in 39.02% of 41 music service websites
  analyzed and 100% of the 8 podcast websites analyzed.
 
 +1 for Description
 
  
  PROPOSAL: We add POSITION and DESCRIPTION to the hAudio draft since
there are enough examples to warrant their inclusion into
the Microformat.
  
  -- manu
 
 Manu are you also going to REMOVE the Album and Podcast properties and
 revert back to *audio-title* until any disputes have been resolved? I do
 not think that three votes was enough to warrant any changes to the
 existing proposal.
 
 I think you should have notified all the active participants in hAudio
 BEFORE you made any changes to OUR proposition.

Sorry for seeming unreasonable but the additions of Album and Recording
really was a bit of a surprise to me and something that wasn't fully
discussed

Anyway An easy solution  The beginning of this conversation was about
(in a nutshell) merging certain properties from  hAlbum into hAudio
right! so why don't we just do that 

From hAlbum we reuse both 

*album-title*
http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-album-proposal#Album_Title

and 

*track*
http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-album-proposal#Track 

coupled with new properties

*position*  and *description*

merge all that with the 0.6 version of hAudio and I think we have
something that will suit everyone's situation

The full property list would be

hAudio
album-title
contributor
published
rel-sample
rel-enclosure
rel-payment
photo
track
audio-title
duration
category
price

Comments?


Thanks 
Martin

 
 Thanks
 
 Martin
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Re: [uf-new] hAudio position and description properties

2007-10-07 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Sun, 2007-10-07 at 20:30 +0100, Martin McEvoy wrote:
 On Sun, 2007-10-07 at 03:47 +0100, Martin McEvoy wrote:
  On Sat, 2007-10-06 at 21:08 -0400, Manu Sporny wrote:
   Most of the day today was spent re-analyzing all of the music service
   and podcast websites in audio-info-examples using Microformalyze. The
   raw analysis data is available here:
   
   http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-examples#Microformalyze_Data_Files
   
   The analysis is available here:
   
   http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-examples#Analysis_of_Music_Services
   
   http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-examples#Analysis_of_Music_Podcasts
   
   The new analysis shows very strong support for POSITION. This property
   is displayed in 70.73% of 41 music service websites analyzed and 100% of
   the 8 podcast websites analyzed.
  
  I found No evidence of Position as far as podcasting is concerned
  although all the examples make a reference to episode I am not sure that
  this is the same thing, Can I also point out that podcasting Is NOT a
  problem area for this discussion.
  
  However Position Is something that should be supported As far as Music
  Downloads are concerned
  
  +1 for Position
  
   
   There is also enough support to meet the 80/20 rule for DESCRIPTION.
   This property is displayed in 39.02% of 41 music service websites
   analyzed and 100% of the 8 podcast websites analyzed.
  
  +1 for Description
  
   
   PROPOSAL: We add POSITION and DESCRIPTION to the hAudio draft since
 there are enough examples to warrant their inclusion into
 the Microformat.
   
   -- manu
  
  Manu are you also going to REMOVE the Album and Podcast properties and
  revert back to *audio-title* until any disputes have been resolved? I do
  not think that three votes was enough to warrant any changes to the
  existing proposal.
  
  I think you should have notified all the active participants in hAudio
  BEFORE you made any changes to OUR proposition.
 
 Sorry for seeming unreasonable but the additions of Album and Recording
 really was a bit of a surprise to me and something that wasn't fully
 discussed
 
 Anyway An easy solution  The beginning of this conversation was about
 (in a nutshell) merging certain properties from  hAlbum into hAudio
 right! so why don't we just do that 
 
 From hAlbum we reuse both 
 
 *album-title*
 http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-album-proposal#Album_Title
 
 and 
 
 *track*
 http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-album-proposal#Track 
 
 coupled with new properties
 
 *position*  and *description*
 
 merge all that with the 0.6 version of hAudio and I think we have
 something that will suit everyone's situation
 
 The full property list would be
 
 hAudio
 album-title
description
 contributor
 published
 rel-sample
 rel-enclosure
 rel-payment
 photo
 track
position
 audio-title
 duration
 category
 price
 
 Comments?
 
 
 Thanks 
 Martin

Sorry, Its been a long weekend :)

 
  
  Thanks
  
  Martin
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[uf-new] hAudio position and description properties

2007-10-06 Thread Manu Sporny
Most of the day today was spent re-analyzing all of the music service
and podcast websites in audio-info-examples using Microformalyze. The
raw analysis data is available here:

http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-examples#Microformalyze_Data_Files

The analysis is available here:

http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-examples#Analysis_of_Music_Services

http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-examples#Analysis_of_Music_Podcasts

The new analysis shows very strong support for POSITION. This property
is displayed in 70.73% of 41 music service websites analyzed and 100% of
the 8 podcast websites analyzed.

There is also enough support to meet the 80/20 rule for DESCRIPTION.
This property is displayed in 39.02% of 41 music service websites
analyzed and 100% of the 8 podcast websites analyzed.

PROPOSAL: We add POSITION and DESCRIPTION to the hAudio draft since
  there are enough examples to warrant their inclusion into
  the Microformat.

-- manu
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Re: [uf-new] hAudio position and description properties

2007-10-06 Thread Julian Stahnke

PROPOSAL: We add POSITION and DESCRIPTION to the hAudio draft since
  there are enough examples to warrant their inclusion into
  the Microformat.


I think you’re right and they both make perfect sense.
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