Re: [Mingw-w64-public] [ANN] Website changes - download2
Hi, I wasn't happy with the download page since it had become way too big so I re-thought it a bit and made a demo at http://mingw-w64.yaxm.org/doku.php/download2 It's only a demo and only has a few lines but these should be enough to get a good feeling of what the final page will be. The data is not necessarily correct currently. I'm not saying more since I'd like to get a feedback from people who first encounter the page. -- Adrien Nader -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public
Re: [Mingw-w64-public] [ANN] Website changes - download2
Just a small note: with this approach there will be one additional page per toolchain provider with the full details there. -- Adrien Nader -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public
Re: [Mingw-w64-public] [ANN] Website changes
(catching up with my mails LIFO-style, the best way to cause huge delays) On Wed, Mar 25, 2015, Ruben Van Boxem wrote: 2015-03-24 21:20 GMT+01:00 Adrien Nader adr...@notk.org: Hi, On Tue, Mar 24, 2015, David Macek wrote: On 20. 3. 2015 22:51, Adrien Nader wrote: Hi, I've just pushed a redirect from http://mingw-w64.sourceforge.net to http://mingw-w64.yaxm.org in order to serve a new website. [snip] Any constructive criticism is welcome; don't hesitate. Hi. I took a look on the website and I've got some notes which may or may not be applicable to other visitors: === Downloads/Others: The first paragraph in the tab talks about OS X builds straight away, as if Others == OSX. This also led to an impression that Rubenv's builds are also for OS X. Also most of the contents of the tab seems to belong to other tabs. I imagine that if a visitor was interested only in toolchains for Windows, he/she could be led to believe that the three options in the first tab were the only one, because he/she would never even look at the Others tab and discovered the link to SF.net file repository. The following organisation would make more sense to me: I propose 1) moving Rubenv's builds to the Windows tab, moving the mention of OpenSUSE to the Linux tab, 3) copying the link to SF.net to all relevant tabs (or completely outside of them), and 4) renaming the tab from Other to OS X. I don't think moving these mentions from the Others tab to the other tabs will confuse users as to which one to download, as the gray boxes with logos serve well to make their contents seem as more trust-worthy than the plain text around. The Others tab has not received much love and that dates back to the creation of the download page on the previous website. When I put rubenvb and opensuse toolchains back when I created the download page (it's been some time already), the reactions I had received from both upstreams were at best meh and without many more details so I couldn't do a lot. I really wanted to put them somewhere though (I think Opensuse's effort started at least 7 years ago and rubenvb toolchains were widespread). Ideally they'd be in a proper place: the others section would ideally only contain the link to Sourceforge's FRS. That requires the corresponding toolchain creator to provide information about their releases. I think I sent you an email with the required info as you asked for way back when. If I didn't, my fault, but I'm not too worried about my toolchains. They are dated now and should really be retired from the download page. I don't remember receiving such a mail. Since that was already a fairly long time ago, I don't remember well but maybe you had sent some infos but not enough details which was probably quite a lot of work considering the diversity of your toolchains. Following Vincent Torri's mail, I did some changes this morning and I just noticed I had not done these changes for every block but only for the ones that fell under Windows and Linux tabs. I've now corrected it. Basically I've removed title elements and added blue-colored blocks instead. They should make it easier to tell each block apart. Can you check the page again and tell me if it looks better? Also, the OS X situation currently is not very good as there is toolchain provider and the toolchains that are available are old, experimental and unsupported. I'm not worrying about it at the moment since it should change soon (more on that later on). === Downloads/Source: This may be just my profession talking, but links to various stuff on SF.net with SourceForge as the title seem misleading. === Downloads/Linux: I know Arch Linux users are generally competent, but I'd like to see the link point to something actually related to mingw-w64, rather than just to AUR homepage. This may be a good link: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?SeB=nK=mingw-w64SB=cPP=250 I'm not an Arch Linux user and the link in place was the only one I had. I've updated the page, thanks. Also, wouldn't it be better to also mention the packages in official Arch repos? https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=mingw-w64 They don't seem outdated or anything. I wasn't aware of these packages (maybe they're newer than the arch-linux-related update). I'm not sure how they relate to AUR ones; I'm under the impression the toolchain is in the base and non-toolchain packages should be built from AUR but I need a confirmation from at least one actual user. I can confirm whatever you need: I made the original AUR packages, these were absorbed into the binary [Community] repository, and they contain a complete toolchain (c,c++,objc,obj-c++,fortran,ada) with the latest released versions and is updated regularly. Development versions naturally belong in the AUR for which everything is
Re: [Mingw-w64-public] [ANN] Website changes
Hi Adrien, yes, I think we should separate between pure toolchain and environment. Eg msys2, cygwin etc. are first hand environments, but of course each of them provides at least one toolchain package. So if we want to provide lists of additional packages available for a specific environment, we should put that into a separate page. Not sure if it should be a separate page for each, or if it is of interest to collect them all on one page. Later could allow to make tables comparing features ... not sure if this is worth the effort. Cheers, Kai 2015-04-01 9:16 GMT+02:00 Adrien Nader adr...@notk.org: (catching up with my mails LIFO-style, the best way to cause huge delays) On Wed, Mar 25, 2015, Ruben Van Boxem wrote: 2015-03-24 21:20 GMT+01:00 Adrien Nader adr...@notk.org: Hi, On Tue, Mar 24, 2015, David Macek wrote: On 20. 3. 2015 22:51, Adrien Nader wrote: Hi, I've just pushed a redirect from http://mingw-w64.sourceforge.net to http://mingw-w64.yaxm.org in order to serve a new website. [snip] Any constructive criticism is welcome; don't hesitate. Hi. I took a look on the website and I've got some notes which may or may not be applicable to other visitors: === Downloads/Others: The first paragraph in the tab talks about OS X builds straight away, as if Others == OSX. This also led to an impression that Rubenv's builds are also for OS X. Also most of the contents of the tab seems to belong to other tabs. I imagine that if a visitor was interested only in toolchains for Windows, he/she could be led to believe that the three options in the first tab were the only one, because he/she would never even look at the Others tab and discovered the link to SF.net file repository. The following organisation would make more sense to me: I propose 1) moving Rubenv's builds to the Windows tab, moving the mention of OpenSUSE to the Linux tab, 3) copying the link to SF.net to all relevant tabs (or completely outside of them), and 4) renaming the tab from Other to OS X. I don't think moving these mentions from the Others tab to the other tabs will confuse users as to which one to download, as the gray boxes with logos serve well to make their contents seem as more trust-worthy than the plain text around. The Others tab has not received much love and that dates back to the creation of the download page on the previous website. When I put rubenvb and opensuse toolchains back when I created the download page (it's been some time already), the reactions I had received from both upstreams were at best meh and without many more details so I couldn't do a lot. I really wanted to put them somewhere though (I think Opensuse's effort started at least 7 years ago and rubenvb toolchains were widespread). Ideally they'd be in a proper place: the others section would ideally only contain the link to Sourceforge's FRS. That requires the corresponding toolchain creator to provide information about their releases. I think I sent you an email with the required info as you asked for way back when. If I didn't, my fault, but I'm not too worried about my toolchains. They are dated now and should really be retired from the download page. I don't remember receiving such a mail. Since that was already a fairly long time ago, I don't remember well but maybe you had sent some infos but not enough details which was probably quite a lot of work considering the diversity of your toolchains. Following Vincent Torri's mail, I did some changes this morning and I just noticed I had not done these changes for every block but only for the ones that fell under Windows and Linux tabs. I've now corrected it. Basically I've removed title elements and added blue-colored blocks instead. They should make it easier to tell each block apart. Can you check the page again and tell me if it looks better? Also, the OS X situation currently is not very good as there is toolchain provider and the toolchains that are available are old, experimental and unsupported. I'm not worrying about it at the moment since it should change soon (more on that later on). === Downloads/Source: This may be just my profession talking, but links to various stuff on SF.net with SourceForge as the title seem misleading. === Downloads/Linux: I know Arch Linux users are generally competent, but I'd like to see the link point to something actually related to mingw-w64, rather than just to AUR homepage. This may be a good link: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?SeB=nK=mingw-w64SB=cPP=250 I'm not an Arch Linux user and the link in place was the only one I had. I've updated the page, thanks. Also, wouldn't it be better to also mention the packages in official Arch repos? https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=mingw-w64 They don't seem outdated or anything. I wasn't aware of these
Re: [Mingw-w64-public] [ANN] Website changes
On 30/03/2015 22:03, Adrien Nader wrote: Hi, on the page: http://mingw-w64.yaxm.org/doku.php/documentation the link to libmangle is broken. Clicking on it takes me here: http://mingw-w64.yaxm.orglibmangle/ Thanks for the notice. This was due to an overly simple rewrite rule. Libmangle's API documentation is still on sourceforge servers. Note that since the redirects use the HTTP 301 code, your browser is going to be a bit reticent to asking the server again for the actual location of the page (i.e. clear your cache). The link to libmangle now works. -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public
Re: [Mingw-w64-public] [ANN] Website changes
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015, Stephen Kitt wrote: On a related note, I'll try to spend time next week-end to improve the layout of the tables a bit as they'd probably benefit from cell borders (I find them a bit difficult to read at times with their current style). That would improve the readability of merged cells in particular! It was bothering me so I did it. I've also made the cell text vertically-centered. While at it I've enlarged the website (it was limited to 70em, now it's limited to 80em) [ I have many screens with many resolutions and pixel densities around but haven't had time to test with them ] and removed the scrollbars in the download tabs. Of course the whole operation should have taken a few minutes but since it involves CSS it took much more than that and the result is a bit uncertain but it seems to work fine. -- Adrien Nader -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public
Re: [Mingw-w64-public] [ANN] Website changes
Hi, On Sat, Mar 28, 2015, Jason Curl wrote: On 20/03/2015 22:51, Adrien Nader wrote: Any constructive criticism is welcome; don't hesitate. Hi, on the page: http://mingw-w64.yaxm.org/doku.php/documentation the link to libmangle is broken. Clicking on it takes me here: http://mingw-w64.yaxm.orglibmangle/ Thanks for the notice. This was due to an overly simple rewrite rule. Libmangle's API documentation is still on sourceforge servers. Note that since the redirects use the HTTP 301 code, your browser is going to be a bit reticent to asking the server again for the actual location of the page (i.e. clear your cache). -- Adrien Nader -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public
Re: [Mingw-w64-public] [ANN] Website changes
Hi, On Sun, Mar 29, 2015, Stephen Kitt wrote: Hi, On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 21:20:04 +0100, Adrien Nader adr...@notk.org wrote: [...] There's an additional reason: I'm seeing cygwin similarly to fedora/opensuse/arch. If someone is already using these, the entries on the website will make him check his version requirements and look at his distro package manager. They probably won't make anyone start using these distros however. Some distros have recent versions, some don't (debian, ubuntu) and I believe this page can help the user by providing something simple to read. [...] Would it actually be possible to mention the Debian and Ubuntu toolchains on the download page? Most people find MinGW-w64 via the MinGW-w64 web site rather than via their distribution, and I regularly get emails from people surprised to find out that the toolchain is packaged in Debian/Ubuntu: since it's not mentioned on the MinGW-w64 website they figure that their only solution is to download one of the Win-builds. Anyway, we currently support: * Debian 7 (Wheezy): builds for i686, x86_64; gcc 4.6.3, MinGW-w64 2.0.3, with C, C++, Fortran, Ada, Objective-C and Objective-C++ compilers; C11/C++11 threading isn't supported; the package manager is Apt/Dpkg; installation is done within Debian (https://packages.debian.org/mingw-w64) * Debian 8 (Jessie): as above, with gcc 4.9.1, MinGW-w64 3.2.0; C11/C++11 threading is supported (a Win32 threading variant is also available) * Debian has MinGW-w64 4.0.1 in the experimental repositories * Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin): as above, with gcc 4.6.3, MinGW-w64 2.0.1 (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mingw-w64) * Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr): as above, with gcc 4.8.2, MinGW-w64 3.1.0, C11/C++11 threading (using winpthreads) * Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn): as above, with gcc 4.9.1, MinGW-w64 3.1.0, C11/C++11 threading (a Win32 threading variant is also available) * Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet): as above, with gcc 4.9.2, MinGW-w64 3.2.0 The only additional software currently available is gdb and nsis. Thanks for the list. Can you check the information is correct? I've not added a line for debian experimental since it's expiremental and changes quite often: it needs someone actively updating the page. I'll ping you when the user registration stuff is fixed if you want. On a related note, I'll try to spend time next week-end to improve the layout of the tables a bit as they'd probably benefit from cell borders (I find them a bit difficult to read at times with their current style). -- Adrien Nader -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public
Re: [Mingw-w64-public] [ANN] Website changes
Hi Adrien, On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 22:49:27 +0200, Adrien Nader adr...@notk.org wrote: [...] Thanks for the list. Can you check the information is correct? I've not added a line for debian experimental since it's expiremental and changes quite often: it needs someone actively updating the page. Excellent, thanks! Everything seems OK to me. You're right about the experimental info... I'll ping you when the user registration stuff is fixed if you want. ... and that sounds like a great idea too. On a related note, I'll try to spend time next week-end to improve the layout of the tables a bit as they'd probably benefit from cell borders (I find them a bit difficult to read at times with their current style). That would improve the readability of merged cells in particular! Regards, Stephen -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public
Re: [Mingw-w64-public] [ANN] Website changes
Hi, On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 21:20:04 +0100, Adrien Nader adr...@notk.org wrote: [...] There's an additional reason: I'm seeing cygwin similarly to fedora/opensuse/arch. If someone is already using these, the entries on the website will make him check his version requirements and look at his distro package manager. They probably won't make anyone start using these distros however. Some distros have recent versions, some don't (debian, ubuntu) and I believe this page can help the user by providing something simple to read. [...] Would it actually be possible to mention the Debian and Ubuntu toolchains on the download page? Most people find MinGW-w64 via the MinGW-w64 web site rather than via their distribution, and I regularly get emails from people surprised to find out that the toolchain is packaged in Debian/Ubuntu: since it's not mentioned on the MinGW-w64 website they figure that their only solution is to download one of the Win-builds. Anyway, we currently support: * Debian 7 (Wheezy): builds for i686, x86_64; gcc 4.6.3, MinGW-w64 2.0.3, with C, C++, Fortran, Ada, Objective-C and Objective-C++ compilers; C11/C++11 threading isn't supported; the package manager is Apt/Dpkg; installation is done within Debian (https://packages.debian.org/mingw-w64) * Debian 8 (Jessie): as above, with gcc 4.9.1, MinGW-w64 3.2.0; C11/C++11 threading is supported (a Win32 threading variant is also available) * Debian has MinGW-w64 4.0.1 in the experimental repositories * Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin): as above, with gcc 4.6.3, MinGW-w64 2.0.1 (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mingw-w64) * Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr): as above, with gcc 4.8.2, MinGW-w64 3.1.0, C11/C++11 threading (using winpthreads) * Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn): as above, with gcc 4.9.1, MinGW-w64 3.1.0, C11/C++11 threading (a Win32 threading variant is also available) * Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet): as above, with gcc 4.9.2, MinGW-w64 3.2.0 The only additional software currently available is gdb and nsis. Thanks, Stephen -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public
Re: [Mingw-w64-public] [ANN] Website changes
On 20/03/2015 22:51, Adrien Nader wrote: Any constructive criticism is welcome; don't hesitate. Hi, on the page: http://mingw-w64.yaxm.org/doku.php/documentation the link to libmangle is broken. Clicking on it takes me here: http://mingw-w64.yaxm.orglibmangle/ Regards, Jason. -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public
Re: [Mingw-w64-public] [ANN] Website changes
On 24. 3. 2015 21:20, Adrien Nader wrote: Following Vincent Torri's mail, I did some changes this morning and I just noticed I had not done these changes for every block but only for the ones that fell under Windows and Linux tabs. I've now corrected it. Basically I've removed title elements and added blue-colored blocks instead. They should make it easier to tell each block apart. Can you check the page again and tell me if it looks better? Yeah, it looks well separated now. I know Arch Linux users are generally competent, but I'd like to see the link point to something actually related to mingw-w64, rather than just to AUR homepage. This may be a good link: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?SeB=nK=mingw-w64SB=cPP=250 I'm not an Arch Linux user and the link in place was the only one I had. I've updated the page, thanks. Also, wouldn't it be better to also mention the packages in official Arch repos? https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=mingw-w64 They don't seem outdated or anything. I wasn't aware of these packages (maybe they're newer than the arch-linux-related update). I'm not sure how they relate to AUR ones; I'm under the impression the toolchain is in the base and non-toolchain packages should be built from AUR but I need a confirmation from at least one actual user. Unfortunately, I can't help here. I checked the package lists though and the two repositories are complements. Community repo has the basics (gcc, binutils, crt, headers...), and AUR has the rest plus trunk versions of _some_ of the basic packages. T === Downloads/Windows: Mentioning Cygwin while omitting MSYS2 seems weird, given the numbers of packages they provide. I'm definitely in favor of mentioning MSYS2 in this tab. Is there a reason Cygwin is first in this list? Jonathan gave me the relevant information and, to the best of my knowledge, it is still (mostly) correct. There's an additional reason: I'm seeing cygwin similarly to fedora/opensuse/arch. If someone is already using these, the entries on the website will make him check his version requirements and look at his distro package manager. They probably won't make anyone start using these distros however. Some distros have recent versions, some don't (debian, ubuntu) and I believe this page can help the user by providing something simple to read. I think the situation of choosing an _application package_ on Windows is different from the one of choosing a whole _operating system_. I'm not arguing against the presence of Cygwin, though. MSYS2 is different in that there's a lot more to say. I also don't want to make all the content myself and had had no actual feedback on that front before. I hope MSYS2 makes it there eventually. Cygwin is first because the lists are sorted alphabetically. I don't think I want to start changing that. Sounds reasonable. === Overall, the website looks very good IMO. Good to hear. :) I noticed some typos and weird sentences in some places; should I also note them here on the ML? I can either create you an account on the wiki or you can send me the list of things to change and I'll review and apply. Donate: Mingw-w64 is almost entirely made by volunteer. (- volunteers) Contribute: Check CC's page on contributing. (- GCC's) Contribute, the last heading seems to lack a description. I think that's all. Cheers. -- David Macek smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public
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2015-03-24 21:20 GMT+01:00 Adrien Nader adr...@notk.org: Hi, On Tue, Mar 24, 2015, David Macek wrote: On 20. 3. 2015 22:51, Adrien Nader wrote: Hi, I've just pushed a redirect from http://mingw-w64.sourceforge.net to http://mingw-w64.yaxm.org in order to serve a new website. [snip] Any constructive criticism is welcome; don't hesitate. Hi. I took a look on the website and I've got some notes which may or may not be applicable to other visitors: === Downloads/Others: The first paragraph in the tab talks about OS X builds straight away, as if Others == OSX. This also led to an impression that Rubenv's builds are also for OS X. Also most of the contents of the tab seems to belong to other tabs. I imagine that if a visitor was interested only in toolchains for Windows, he/she could be led to believe that the three options in the first tab were the only one, because he/she would never even look at the Others tab and discovered the link to SF.net file repository. The following organisation would make more sense to me: I propose 1) moving Rubenv's builds to the Windows tab, moving the mention of OpenSUSE to the Linux tab, 3) copying the link to SF.net to all relevant tabs (or completely outside of them), and 4) renaming the tab from Other to OS X. I don't think moving these mentions from the Others tab to the other tabs will confuse users as to which one to download, as the gray boxes with logos serve well to make their contents seem as more trust-worthy than the plain text around. The Others tab has not received much love and that dates back to the creation of the download page on the previous website. When I put rubenvb and opensuse toolchains back when I created the download page (it's been some time already), the reactions I had received from both upstreams were at best meh and without many more details so I couldn't do a lot. I really wanted to put them somewhere though (I think Opensuse's effort started at least 7 years ago and rubenvb toolchains were widespread). Ideally they'd be in a proper place: the others section would ideally only contain the link to Sourceforge's FRS. That requires the corresponding toolchain creator to provide information about their releases. I think I sent you an email with the required info as you asked for way back when. If I didn't, my fault, but I'm not too worried about my toolchains. They are dated now and should really be retired from the download page. Following Vincent Torri's mail, I did some changes this morning and I just noticed I had not done these changes for every block but only for the ones that fell under Windows and Linux tabs. I've now corrected it. Basically I've removed title elements and added blue-colored blocks instead. They should make it easier to tell each block apart. Can you check the page again and tell me if it looks better? Also, the OS X situation currently is not very good as there is toolchain provider and the toolchains that are available are old, experimental and unsupported. I'm not worrying about it at the moment since it should change soon (more on that later on). === Downloads/Source: This may be just my profession talking, but links to various stuff on SF.net with SourceForge as the title seem misleading. === Downloads/Linux: I know Arch Linux users are generally competent, but I'd like to see the link point to something actually related to mingw-w64, rather than just to AUR homepage. This may be a good link: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?SeB=nK=mingw-w64SB=cPP=250 I'm not an Arch Linux user and the link in place was the only one I had. I've updated the page, thanks. Also, wouldn't it be better to also mention the packages in official Arch repos? https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=mingw-w64 They don't seem outdated or anything. I wasn't aware of these packages (maybe they're newer than the arch-linux-related update). I'm not sure how they relate to AUR ones; I'm under the impression the toolchain is in the base and non-toolchain packages should be built from AUR but I need a confirmation from at least one actual user. I can confirm whatever you need: I made the original AUR packages, these were absorbed into the binary [Community] repository, and they contain a complete toolchain (c,c++,objc,obj-c++,fortran,ada) with the latest released versions and is updated regularly. Development versions naturally belong in the AUR for which everything is built from source on install. The [Community] packages are those you want to link to on the MinGW-w64 download page. I'd suggest installing the mingw-w64-gcc package, which should pull everything else in as a dependency. Additionally, a couple of users have done the work to provide a bunch of libraries in the AUR (which are built from source on install). Someone (ant32 and some other guy) even provides binaries in a binary user repository:
Re: [Mingw-w64-public] [ANN] Website changes
I'm only recently felt that I know enough to propose the following as an opening statement, which I hope is politik: Mingw-w64 is an advancement of the original Mingw system (mingw.org) created to support the GCC compiler on windows-based systems. Programs compiled with Mingw rely on the mingw runtime library to bridge semantic differences between posix functionality and the proprietary windows system calls. Mingw additionally provides header files that facilitate direct access to most useful windows system procedures. The Mingw-w64 project started as an effort to extend the Mingw system to also provide 64-bit support; technical disputes prevented this initial effort from melding with the mingw.org code base, so that Mingw-w64 is a fork since (Mingw.org) version V.xx. Thus, Mingw-w64 version numbering begins at 2.0; its most recent version is 4.0.1. Mingw-w64 brings free software toolchains to Windows. It hosts a vibrant community which builds and debugs software for Windows while providing development environment for everyone to use. On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Adrien Nader adr...@notk.org wrote: Hi, On Tue, Mar 24, 2015, David Macek wrote: On 20. 3. 2015 22:51, Adrien Nader wrote: Hi, I've just pushed a redirect from http://mingw-w64.sourceforge.net to http://mingw-w64.yaxm.org in order to serve a new website. [snip] Any constructive criticism is welcome; don't hesitate. Hi. I took a look on the website and I've got some notes which may or may not be applicable to other visitors: === Downloads/Others: The first paragraph in the tab talks about OS X builds straight away, as if Others == OSX. This also led to an impression that Rubenv's builds are also for OS X. Also most of the contents of the tab seems to belong to other tabs. I imagine that if a visitor was interested only in toolchains for Windows, he/she could be led to believe that the three options in the first tab were the only one, because he/she would never even look at the Others tab and discovered the link to SF.net file repository. The following organisation would make more sense to me: I propose 1) moving Rubenv's builds to the Windows tab, moving the mention of OpenSUSE to the Linux tab, 3) copying the link to SF.net to all relevant tabs (or completely outside of them), and 4) renaming the tab from Other to OS X. I don't think moving these mentions from the Others tab to the other tabs will confuse users as to which one to download, as the gray boxes with logos serve well to make their contents seem as more trust-worthy than the plain text around. The Others tab has not received much love and that dates back to the creation of the download page on the previous website. When I put rubenvb and opensuse toolchains back when I created the download page (it's been some time already), the reactions I had received from both upstreams were at best meh and without many more details so I couldn't do a lot. I really wanted to put them somewhere though (I think Opensuse's effort started at least 7 years ago and rubenvb toolchains were widespread). Ideally they'd be in a proper place: the others section would ideally only contain the link to Sourceforge's FRS. That requires the corresponding toolchain creator to provide information about their releases. Following Vincent Torri's mail, I did some changes this morning and I just noticed I had not done these changes for every block but only for the ones that fell under Windows and Linux tabs. I've now corrected it. Basically I've removed title elements and added blue-colored blocks instead. They should make it easier to tell each block apart. Can you check the page again and tell me if it looks better? Also, the OS X situation currently is not very good as there is toolchain provider and the toolchains that are available are old, experimental and unsupported. I'm not worrying about it at the moment since it should change soon (more on that later on). === Downloads/Source: This may be just my profession talking, but links to various stuff on SF.net with SourceForge as the title seem misleading. === Downloads/Linux: I know Arch Linux users are generally competent, but I'd like to see the link point to something actually related to mingw-w64, rather than just to AUR homepage. This may be a good link: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?SeB=nK=mingw-w64SB=cPP=250 I'm not an Arch Linux user and the link in place was the only one I had. I've updated the page, thanks. Also, wouldn't it be better to also mention the packages in official Arch repos? https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=mingw-w64 They don't seem outdated or anything. I wasn't aware of these packages (maybe they're newer than the arch-linux-related update). I'm not sure how they relate to AUR ones; I'm under the impression the toolchain is in the base and non-toolchain packages should be built from AUR but I need a confirmation
Re: [Mingw-w64-public] [ANN] Website changes
On 20. 3. 2015 22:51, Adrien Nader wrote: Hi, I've just pushed a redirect from http://mingw-w64.sourceforge.net to http://mingw-w64.yaxm.org in order to serve a new website. [snip] Any constructive criticism is welcome; don't hesitate. Hi. I took a look on the website and I've got some notes which may or may not be applicable to other visitors: === Downloads/Others: The first paragraph in the tab talks about OS X builds straight away, as if Others == OSX. This also led to an impression that Rubenv's builds are also for OS X. Also most of the contents of the tab seems to belong to other tabs. I imagine that if a visitor was interested only in toolchains for Windows, he/she could be led to believe that the three options in the first tab were the only one, because he/she would never even look at the Others tab and discovered the link to SF.net file repository. The following organisation would make more sense to me: I propose 1) moving Rubenv's builds to the Windows tab, moving the mention of OpenSUSE to the Linux tab, 3) copying the link to SF.net to all relevant tabs (or completely outside of them), and 4) renaming the tab from Other to OS X. I don't think moving these mentions from the Others tab to the other tabs will confuse users as to which one to download, as the gray boxes with logos serve well to make their contents seem as more trust-worthy than the plain text around. === Downloads/Source: This may be just my profession talking, but links to various stuff on SF.net with SourceForge as the title seem misleading. === Downloads/Linux: I know Arch Linux users are generally competent, but I'd like to see the link point to something actually related to mingw-w64, rather than just to AUR homepage. This may be a good link: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?SeB=nK=mingw-w64SB=cPP=250 Also, wouldn't it be better to also mention the packages in official Arch repos? https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=mingw-w64 They don't seem outdated or anything. === Downloads/Windows: Mentioning Cygwin while omitting MSYS2 seems weird, given the numbers of packages they provide. I'm definitely in favor of mentioning MSYS2 in this tab. Is there a reason Cygwin is first in this list? === Overall, the website looks very good IMO. I noticed some typos and weird sentences in some places; should I also note them here on the ML? -- David Macek smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public
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On Tue, Mar 24, 2015, Ray Donnelly wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Ray Donnelly mingw.andr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Adrien Nader adr...@notk.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2015, Ray Donnelly wrote: On 24 Mar 2015 07:06, Adrien Nader adr...@notk.org wrote: Hi, On Sat, Mar 21, 2015, Norbert Pfeiler wrote: Hi, it’s nice to see an update on the website, looks good. What I’d like to see though, is a mention of msys2 in the downloads section. The difficulty with an msys2 entry on the page for downloads has so far been that it's not really like other download entries. There could be a new tab for tools but it might be not very visible (I'm not 100% happy with the current tab stuff on the download page but I think it's good enough for /now/). I'm definitely after ideas on how to properly organize things while remaining focused on the user (probably 99.99% of people use mingw-w64 through IDEs unlike 99.99% of the people on this mailing-list; and they tend to not look very far on a website). Have you actually used MSYS2? It is very similar in scope to win-builds. I know what it does and how. My concern is that just throwing another link on the page is not going to help any visitor. But maybe what you have in mind is to just insert it at the same level as other downloads for the runs on windows tab but then the unique stuff about msys2 is not going to be visible. When I mention the 99.99% of users, I'm sad about it: most people really don't spend a lot of brainpower when it comes to download something. I believe that if a link is added in the middle of one of the page, without further UX consideration, it'll simply be not visible to people who care and confusing to the others (those who use IDEs). Now, if the majority thinks it should be added right now, provide the block content and I'll copy it immediately. I guess you should take a poll on IRC regarding the majority, here's some text. Is that meant to be condescending? Let's say it isn't. I'm never ever going to define majority as people on IRC who are online and active at one given moment. But anyway, the whole point of the website is to help new users. More than half the people I know of on the IRC channel are running Linux and I'm not expecting them to give an in-depth analysis of MSYS2. MSYS2 is a modern version of MSYS, both of which are Cygwin (POSIX compatibility layer) forks with the aim of better interoperability with native Windows software. It aims to provide support to facilitate using the bash shell, Autotools, revision control systems and the like for building native Windows applications using MinGW-w64 toolchains. It comes with a port of ArchLinux's Pacman package manager. Three repos are provided with over 1000 packages. Actually we'd prefer MSYS2 is a modern rewrite of MSYS .. I'm afraid this is not going to be enough. More than two decade ago, the Web was born. And it had hyperlinks from day one. Where does that even go? Next to the other entries currently there? It needs a block title, a download link, the CRT and GCC versions in use, the languages supported by the toolchains, and so on. Look at the current page and make something that fit in. I still believe MSYS2 will not fit in properly and I still believe it would be better served by a better general organization of the website (actually I don't care about MSYS2: I care about users) but the last thing I want to do is spend time arguing on the Internet so please provide something that I can integrate (I don't care for markup but I need the data) and that is useful to the visitors. -- Adrien Nader -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public
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Hi, On Sat, Mar 21, 2015, Vincent Torri wrote: hey imho, you should add a paypal link with a nice icon on the front page, and not only in the 'donate' page. I don't really like the paypal logo for technical reason: I think you're not actually allowed to host it yourself and you need to have the visitor's browser fetch it on every visit from paypal server (great, right?). Anyway, it'd probably look out of place if it were the only logo on the page: there's a need for more pictures on the page. I can re-use some from the previous website (and there was a money one) but there will still be a large hole: a project logo. Until then I'm very reluctant to put a company's logo somewhere since it could be ambiguous. I'm going to add a few pictures so tell me what you think (you need to wait for at least 30 minutes after this mail is sent :) ). -- Adrien Nader -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public
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Hi, On Sat, Mar 21, 2015, Norbert Pfeiler wrote: Hi, it’s nice to see an update on the website, looks good. What I’d like to see though, is a mention of msys2 in the downloads section. The difficulty with an msys2 entry on the page for downloads has so far been that it's not really like other download entries. There could be a new tab for tools but it might be not very visible (I'm not 100% happy with the current tab stuff on the download page but I think it's good enough for /now/). I'm definitely after ideas on how to properly organize things while remaining focused on the user (probably 99.99% of people use mingw-w64 through IDEs unlike 99.99% of the people on this mailing-list; and they tend to not look very far on a website). -- Adrien Nader -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public
Re: [Mingw-w64-public] [ANN] Website changes
Hi, On Tue, Mar 24, 2015, David Macek wrote: On 20. 3. 2015 22:51, Adrien Nader wrote: Hi, I've just pushed a redirect from http://mingw-w64.sourceforge.net to http://mingw-w64.yaxm.org in order to serve a new website. [snip] Any constructive criticism is welcome; don't hesitate. Hi. I took a look on the website and I've got some notes which may or may not be applicable to other visitors: === Downloads/Others: The first paragraph in the tab talks about OS X builds straight away, as if Others == OSX. This also led to an impression that Rubenv's builds are also for OS X. Also most of the contents of the tab seems to belong to other tabs. I imagine that if a visitor was interested only in toolchains for Windows, he/she could be led to believe that the three options in the first tab were the only one, because he/she would never even look at the Others tab and discovered the link to SF.net file repository. The following organisation would make more sense to me: I propose 1) moving Rubenv's builds to the Windows tab, moving the mention of OpenSUSE to the Linux tab, 3) copying the link to SF.net to all relevant tabs (or completely outside of them), and 4) renaming the tab from Other to OS X. I don't think moving these mentions from the Others tab to the other tabs will confuse users as to which one to download, as the gray boxes with logos serve well to make their contents seem as more trust-worthy than the plain text around. The Others tab has not received much love and that dates back to the creation of the download page on the previous website. When I put rubenvb and opensuse toolchains back when I created the download page (it's been some time already), the reactions I had received from both upstreams were at best meh and without many more details so I couldn't do a lot. I really wanted to put them somewhere though (I think Opensuse's effort started at least 7 years ago and rubenvb toolchains were widespread). Ideally they'd be in a proper place: the others section would ideally only contain the link to Sourceforge's FRS. That requires the corresponding toolchain creator to provide information about their releases. Following Vincent Torri's mail, I did some changes this morning and I just noticed I had not done these changes for every block but only for the ones that fell under Windows and Linux tabs. I've now corrected it. Basically I've removed title elements and added blue-colored blocks instead. They should make it easier to tell each block apart. Can you check the page again and tell me if it looks better? Also, the OS X situation currently is not very good as there is toolchain provider and the toolchains that are available are old, experimental and unsupported. I'm not worrying about it at the moment since it should change soon (more on that later on). === Downloads/Source: This may be just my profession talking, but links to various stuff on SF.net with SourceForge as the title seem misleading. === Downloads/Linux: I know Arch Linux users are generally competent, but I'd like to see the link point to something actually related to mingw-w64, rather than just to AUR homepage. This may be a good link: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?SeB=nK=mingw-w64SB=cPP=250 I'm not an Arch Linux user and the link in place was the only one I had. I've updated the page, thanks. Also, wouldn't it be better to also mention the packages in official Arch repos? https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=mingw-w64 They don't seem outdated or anything. I wasn't aware of these packages (maybe they're newer than the arch-linux-related update). I'm not sure how they relate to AUR ones; I'm under the impression the toolchain is in the base and non-toolchain packages should be built from AUR but I need a confirmation from at least one actual user. === Downloads/Windows: Mentioning Cygwin while omitting MSYS2 seems weird, given the numbers of packages they provide. I'm definitely in favor of mentioning MSYS2 in this tab. Is there a reason Cygwin is first in this list? Jonathan gave me the relevant information and, to the best of my knowledge, it is still (mostly) correct. There's an additional reason: I'm seeing cygwin similarly to fedora/opensuse/arch. If someone is already using these, the entries on the website will make him check his version requirements and look at his distro package manager. They probably won't make anyone start using these distros however. Some distros have recent versions, some don't (debian, ubuntu) and I believe this page can help the user by providing something simple to read. MSYS2 is different in that there's a lot more to say. I also don't want to make all the content myself and had had no actual feedback on that front before. Cygwin is first because the lists are sorted alphabetically. I don't think I want to start changing that. === Overall, the website looks very good IMO. Good to hear. :) I
Re: [Mingw-w64-public] [ANN] Website changes
On 24 Mar 2015 07:06, Adrien Nader adr...@notk.org wrote: Hi, On Sat, Mar 21, 2015, Norbert Pfeiler wrote: Hi, it’s nice to see an update on the website, looks good. What I’d like to see though, is a mention of msys2 in the downloads section. The difficulty with an msys2 entry on the page for downloads has so far been that it's not really like other download entries. There could be a new tab for tools but it might be not very visible (I'm not 100% happy with the current tab stuff on the download page but I think it's good enough for /now/). I'm definitely after ideas on how to properly organize things while remaining focused on the user (probably 99.99% of people use mingw-w64 through IDEs unlike 99.99% of the people on this mailing-list; and they tend to not look very far on a website). Have you actually used MSYS2? It is very similar in scope to win-builds. -- Adrien Nader -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public
Re: [Mingw-w64-public] [ANN] Website changes
hey imho, you should add a paypal link with a nice icon on the front page, and not only in the 'donate' page. Vincent Torri On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Adrien Nader adr...@notk.org wrote: Hi, I've just pushed a redirect from http://mingw-w64.sourceforge.net to http://mingw-w64.yaxm.org in order to serve a new website. I have been taking care of the website for at least a couple years now. Not that I particularly enjoy doing PHP, CSS and Javascript but there was a need. However I suck at design and I had very little time available, which meant all the changes I could do were minimal. Last week I finally bit the bullet and spent half a day assessing whether something based on dokuwiki could work and then spent a day moving the data from the website to that dokuwiki and tweak its them and plugins. This was discussed a bit over IRC and the switch has been hurried by the release of 4.0: I was feeling miserable each time I had to update anything on the website and I really didn't feel like taking one hour just to add a section to the existing layout, especially knowing the website replacement was going to occur soon. The now-old website is still available, only masked through a redirect. Please speak up if you are not pleased with the new one. One notable change is that the website is not served through sourceforge.net anymore. I had started with everything on SF but more often than not, the pages would fail to load. Unfortunately this means there is a user-visible redirection on a temporary subdomain; this is expected to remain for one month at most. NB: this does not change anything else; nothing but the website that has been visible on http://mingw-w64.sourceforge.net changes. The wiki from sourceforge is going to be abandoned. Well. Noone has touched wiki2 since it was set up a year ago so it's not a big loss. Dokuwiki should be a nicer place for wiki changes (faster, cuter, and fully integrated into the website obviously). The only minor downside currently is that users cannot register themselves to change the website. This is minor since I can do it on request and because the set of pages that is currently up will not be editable by most people anyway (i.e. main page, downloads). This will be fixed. On a final note I'd like to thank the author of the initial mingw-w64 website. As far as I remember he had a company named CodeCamel but currently the website is MIA but the domain name has been parked with seemingly-innocuous link spam. That website has served mingw-w64 well for around 5 years. Its replacement did not happen out of discontent but because a lot has happened over these 5 years, both the web (mobile, many new viewport sizes, saner browsers, ...) and for mingw-w64 (so many more users, contributors, activity on all fronts and much more content). Working with sourceforge.net SSH access was the painful part as it was slow and not having a CSS theme used (and tested) by many other websites made the process brittle and time-consuming. I wished there had been time to bring the topic on the mailing-list before doing the switch but v4.0 timing made that hard and I've also taken great care to not lose anything in the process. Any constructive criticism is welcome; don't hesitate. -- Adrien Nader -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public
Re: [Mingw-w64-public] [ANN] Website changes
Hi, it’s nice to see an update on the website, looks good. What I’d like to see though, is a mention of msys2 in the downloads section. Best, Norbert Pfeiler. 2015-03-20 22:51 GMT+01:00 Adrien Nader adr...@notk.org: Hi, I've just pushed a redirect from http://mingw-w64.sourceforge.net to http://mingw-w64.yaxm.org in order to serve a new website. I have been taking care of the website for at least a couple years now. Not that I particularly enjoy doing PHP, CSS and Javascript but there was a need. However I suck at design and I had very little time available, which meant all the changes I could do were minimal. Last week I finally bit the bullet and spent half a day assessing whether something based on dokuwiki could work and then spent a day moving the data from the website to that dokuwiki and tweak its them and plugins. This was discussed a bit over IRC and the switch has been hurried by the release of 4.0: I was feeling miserable each time I had to update anything on the website and I really didn't feel like taking one hour just to add a section to the existing layout, especially knowing the website replacement was going to occur soon. The now-old website is still available, only masked through a redirect. Please speak up if you are not pleased with the new one. One notable change is that the website is not served through sourceforge.net anymore. I had started with everything on SF but more often than not, the pages would fail to load. Unfortunately this means there is a user-visible redirection on a temporary subdomain; this is expected to remain for one month at most. NB: this does not change anything else; nothing but the website that has been visible on http://mingw-w64.sourceforge.net changes. The wiki from sourceforge is going to be abandoned. Well. Noone has touched wiki2 since it was set up a year ago so it's not a big loss. Dokuwiki should be a nicer place for wiki changes (faster, cuter, and fully integrated into the website obviously). The only minor downside currently is that users cannot register themselves to change the website. This is minor since I can do it on request and because the set of pages that is currently up will not be editable by most people anyway (i.e. main page, downloads). This will be fixed. On a final note I'd like to thank the author of the initial mingw-w64 website. As far as I remember he had a company named CodeCamel but currently the website is MIA but the domain name has been parked with seemingly-innocuous link spam. That website has served mingw-w64 well for around 5 years. Its replacement did not happen out of discontent but because a lot has happened over these 5 years, both the web (mobile, many new viewport sizes, saner browsers, ...) and for mingw-w64 (so many more users, contributors, activity on all fronts and much more content). Working with sourceforge.net SSH access was the painful part as it was slow and not having a CSS theme used (and tested) by many other websites made the process brittle and time-consuming. I wished there had been time to bring the topic on the mailing-list before doing the switch but v4.0 timing made that hard and I've also taken great care to not lose anything in the process. Any constructive criticism is welcome; don't hesitate. -- Adrien Nader -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public
[Mingw-w64-public] [ANN] Website changes
Hi, I've just pushed a redirect from http://mingw-w64.sourceforge.net to http://mingw-w64.yaxm.org in order to serve a new website. I have been taking care of the website for at least a couple years now. Not that I particularly enjoy doing PHP, CSS and Javascript but there was a need. However I suck at design and I had very little time available, which meant all the changes I could do were minimal. Last week I finally bit the bullet and spent half a day assessing whether something based on dokuwiki could work and then spent a day moving the data from the website to that dokuwiki and tweak its them and plugins. This was discussed a bit over IRC and the switch has been hurried by the release of 4.0: I was feeling miserable each time I had to update anything on the website and I really didn't feel like taking one hour just to add a section to the existing layout, especially knowing the website replacement was going to occur soon. The now-old website is still available, only masked through a redirect. Please speak up if you are not pleased with the new one. One notable change is that the website is not served through sourceforge.net anymore. I had started with everything on SF but more often than not, the pages would fail to load. Unfortunately this means there is a user-visible redirection on a temporary subdomain; this is expected to remain for one month at most. NB: this does not change anything else; nothing but the website that has been visible on http://mingw-w64.sourceforge.net changes. The wiki from sourceforge is going to be abandoned. Well. Noone has touched wiki2 since it was set up a year ago so it's not a big loss. Dokuwiki should be a nicer place for wiki changes (faster, cuter, and fully integrated into the website obviously). The only minor downside currently is that users cannot register themselves to change the website. This is minor since I can do it on request and because the set of pages that is currently up will not be editable by most people anyway (i.e. main page, downloads). This will be fixed. On a final note I'd like to thank the author of the initial mingw-w64 website. As far as I remember he had a company named CodeCamel but currently the website is MIA but the domain name has been parked with seemingly-innocuous link spam. That website has served mingw-w64 well for around 5 years. Its replacement did not happen out of discontent but because a lot has happened over these 5 years, both the web (mobile, many new viewport sizes, saner browsers, ...) and for mingw-w64 (so many more users, contributors, activity on all fronts and much more content). Working with sourceforge.net SSH access was the painful part as it was slow and not having a CSS theme used (and tested) by many other websites made the process brittle and time-consuming. I wished there had been time to bring the topic on the mailing-list before doing the switch but v4.0 timing made that hard and I've also taken great care to not lose anything in the process. Any constructive criticism is welcome; don't hesitate. -- Adrien Nader -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Mingw-w64-public mailing list Mingw-w64-public@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mingw-w64-public
