smtpd crashes because of a config problem?
Hello,
My smtpd crashes at regular intervals and I don't understand why. May
be I misconfigured it ...
I have a central public mail host that forwards every incoming mail to
inside host.
The host mail.wiroth.net forwards every incoming mail to donkey.wiroth.net.
Thanks for your help!!
Didier
Here is the main public mail host's smtpd.conf:
---
listen on lo0
listen on bge1 port 25 tls enable auth
map aliases { source db /etc/mail/aliases.db }
map secrets { source db /etc/mail/secrets.db }
hostname mail.wiroth.net
accept from all for domain *.wiroth.net relay via 158.64.58.6 tls enable auth
accept from all for domain wiroth.net relay via 158.64.58.6 tls enable auth
accept from local for all relay
-
Here is the error message:
---
mx cavin01.kuleuven.be prio 30.17
mx cavin02.kuleuven.be prio 30.17
lookup_a cavin.kuleuven.be:0
Q_BOUNCE: 0: done
lookup_a success
lookup_a kromsin.cc.kuleuven.be:0
lookup_a success
lookup_a limbak.cc.kuleuven.be:0
lookup_a success
lookup_a cavin03.kuleuven.be:0
lookup_a success
lookup_a cavin01.kuleuven.be:0
lookup_a success
lookup_a cavin02.kuleuven.be:0
lookup_a success
lookup_mx success
mta: connect 134.58.240.2
lookup_ptr 134.58.240.2
lookup_ptr success
mta: entering smtp phase
220-cavin02.test.kulnet.kuleuven.be ESMTP (KULeuven)
221 2.0.0 donkey.wiroth.net Closing connection
mta_event: leaving
Q_RELAY: 0: done
Q_RELAY: sleep 6451s
220 cavin02.test.kulnet.kuleuven.be ESMTP (KULeuven)
EHLO mail.wiroth.net
250-cavin02.test.kulnet.kuleuven.be
250-PIPELINING
250-SIZE 2100
250-ETRN
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-8BITMIME
250 DSN
MAIL FROM:
RCPT TO:mede...@kuleuven.be
DATA
250 2.1.0 Ok
550 5.1.1 mede...@kuleuven.be: Recipient address rejected:
undeliverable address: Recipient verification failed
mta: new status for mede...@kuleuven.be: 550 5.1.1
mede...@kuleuven.be: Recipient address rejected: undeliverable
address: Recipient verification failed
daTcg4aN: to=mede...@kuleuven.be, delay=7,
relay=rhcavin02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.2], stat=RemoteError
(5.1.1 mede...@kuleuven.be: Recipient addres
s rejected: undeliverable address: Recipient verification failed)
mta_event: leaving
daTcg4aN: bounce recipient mede...@kuleuven.be not contactable, bounce dropped
Q_RELAY: 1: done
Q_RELAY: sleep 6447s
smtp_new: incoming client on listener: 0x82b20800
lookup_ptr 88.215.149.23
lookup_ptr success
session_pickup: greeting client
command: EHLO args: pppoe-88-215-149-23.helios.ru
command: MAIL FROM args: wjc...@dierenhulpzondergrenzen.com
command: RCPT TOargs: did...@wiroth.net
aux
R|wjc...@dierenhulpzondergrenzen.com|did...@wiroth.net||did...@wiroth.net|158.64.58.6||starttls||secrets
smtpd in free(): error: chunk is already free
mail transfer agent exiting
smtp server exiting
lookup agent exiting
mail delivery agent exiting
control process exiting
mail filter exiting
lost child: queue terminated; signal 6
parent terminating
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pf redirect problem
Hello, I'm having trouble setting up a redirect rule and I'm not sure where I'm going wrong. My redirect line and filter rules look like: rdr on $ext_nic proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.213 - 192.168.1.227 pass in on $ext_nic proto tcp from any to 192.168.1.227 port ssh queue ssh pass in on $ext_nic proto tcp from any to 192.168.1.227 port www queue www The output of 'pfctl -s nat' is: nat on fxp0 inet from 192.168.1.0/24 to any - 38.xxx.xxx.206 nat on fxp0 inet from 192.168.2.0/24 to any - 38.xxx.xxx.207 nat on fxp0 inet from 192.168.3.0/24 to any - 38.xxx.xxx.208 nat on dc3 inet from 192.168.1.0/24 to any - 192.168.10.156 nat on fxp0 inet from 192.168.10.15 to any - 38.xxx.xxx.206 rdr on fxp0 inet proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.209 - 192.168.1.16 rdr on fxp0 inet proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.210 - 192.168.1.21 rdr on fxp0 inet proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.212 - 192.168.1.12 rdr on fxp0 inet proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.211 - 192.168.1.24 rdr on fxp0 inet proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.213 - 192.168.1.227 All of the other redirects are working. I see my filter rule in the output from 'pfctl -s rules' but I can't connect via ssh from an external network after reloading pf.conf. Any insight would be very much appreciated. I've posted my full conf at http://pastebin.com/TZa0WzE0 if needed. Thanks, Tim
Re: pf redirect problem
tcpdump on pflog will probably help (see the FAQ) 2010/9/2 Timothy Beyer timot...@titaniumant.com Hello, I'm having trouble setting up a redirect rule and I'm not sure where I'm going wrong. My redirect line and filter rules look like: rdr on $ext_nic proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.213 - 192.168.1.227 pass in on $ext_nic proto tcp from any to 192.168.1.227 port ssh queue ssh pass in on $ext_nic proto tcp from any to 192.168.1.227 port www queue www The output of 'pfctl -s nat' is: nat on fxp0 inet from 192.168.1.0/24 to any - 38.xxx.xxx.206 nat on fxp0 inet from 192.168.2.0/24 to any - 38.xxx.xxx.207 nat on fxp0 inet from 192.168.3.0/24 to any - 38.xxx.xxx.208 nat on dc3 inet from 192.168.1.0/24 to any - 192.168.10.156 nat on fxp0 inet from 192.168.10.15 to any - 38.xxx.xxx.206 rdr on fxp0 inet proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.209 - 192.168.1.16 rdr on fxp0 inet proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.210 - 192.168.1.21 rdr on fxp0 inet proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.212 - 192.168.1.12 rdr on fxp0 inet proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.211 - 192.168.1.24 rdr on fxp0 inet proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.213 - 192.168.1.227 All of the other redirects are working. I see my filter rule in the output from 'pfctl -s rules' but I can't connect via ssh from an external network after reloading pf.conf. Any insight would be very much appreciated. I've posted my full conf at http://pastebin.com/TZa0WzE0 if needed. Thanks, Tim -- No doubt it is one of the functions of art to replace religious faith by the effective ingredient of beauty. At least beauty must have the power of a poem, that is to say of a crime.
Re: pf redirect problem
Here's some log output. I forgot to note this is on OpenBSD 4.2. The first entry is a successful connection to one of the working redirects. Connection attempts to the redirect I'm trying to add don't show up in the log even after adding a log directive in the filter rules. -T tcpdump: listening on pflog0, link-type PFLOG Sep 02 15:00:13.263016 rule 24/(match) pass in on fxp0: 75.xxx.xxx.209.51635 192.168.1.16.22: [|tcp] (DF) Sep 02 15:00:14.783786 rule 0/(match) block in on fxp0: 208.xxx.xxx.236.32780 38.xxx.xxx.206.53:[|domain] Sep 02 15:00:15.529433 rule 0/(match) block in on fxp0: 208.xxx.xxx.236.32780 38.xxx.xxx.206.53:[|domain] Sep 02 15:00:16.279410 rule 0/(match) block in on fxp0: 208.xxx.xxx.236.32780 38.xxx.xxx.206.53:[|domain] Sep 02 15:00:17.779913 rule 0/(match) block in on fxp0: 208.xxx.xxx.236.32780 38.xxx.xxx.206.53:[|domain] Sep 02 15:00:18.529400 rule 0/(match) block in on fxp0: 208.xxx.xxx.236.32780 38.xxx.xxx.206.53:[|domain] Sep 02 15:00:19.279498 rule 0/(match) block in on fxp0: 208.xxx.xxx.236.32780 38.xxx.xxx.206.53:[|domain] Sep 02 15:00:20.780050 rule 0/(match) block in on fxp0: 208.xxx.xxx.236 38.xxx.xxx.206: icmp: echo request Sep 02 15:00:21.529443 rule 0/(match) block in on fxp0: 208.xxx.xxx.236 38.xxx.xxx.206: icmp: echo request Sep 02 15:00:22.28 rule 0/(match) block in on fxp0: 208.xxx.xxx.236 38.xxx.xxx.206: icmp: echo request From: sven falempin [sven.falem...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:05 PM To: Timothy Beyer Cc: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: pf redirect problem tcpdump on pflog will probably help (see the FAQ) 2010/9/2 Timothy Beyer timot...@titaniumant.commailto:timot...@titaniumant.com Hello, I'm having trouble setting up a redirect rule and I'm not sure where I'm going wrong. My redirect line and filter rules look like: rdr on $ext_nic proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.213 - 192.168.1.227 pass in on $ext_nic proto tcp from any to 192.168.1.227 port ssh queue ssh pass in on $ext_nic proto tcp from any to 192.168.1.227 port www queue www The output of 'pfctl -s nat' is: nat on fxp0 inet from 192.168.1.0/24http://192.168.1.0/24 to any - 38.xxx.xxx.206 nat on fxp0 inet from 192.168.2.0/24http://192.168.2.0/24 to any - 38.xxx.xxx.207 nat on fxp0 inet from 192.168.3.0/24http://192.168.3.0/24 to any - 38.xxx.xxx.208 nat on dc3 inet from 192.168.1.0/24http://192.168.1.0/24 to any - 192.168.10.156 nat on fxp0 inet from 192.168.10.15 to any - 38.xxx.xxx.206 rdr on fxp0 inet proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.209 - 192.168.1.16 rdr on fxp0 inet proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.210 - 192.168.1.21 rdr on fxp0 inet proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.212 - 192.168.1.12 rdr on fxp0 inet proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.211 - 192.168.1.24 rdr on fxp0 inet proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.213 - 192.168.1.227 All of the other redirects are working. I see my filter rule in the output from 'pfctl -s rules' but I can't connect via ssh from an external network after reloading pf.conf. Any insight would be very much appreciated. I've posted my full conf at http://pastebin.com/TZa0WzE0 if needed. Thanks, Tim -- No doubt it is one of the functions of art to replace religious faith by the effective ingredient of beauty. At least beauty must have the power of a poem, that is to say of a crime.
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Re: pf redirect problem
Timothy, I don't see where is you pass rules for redirected traffic on for both external and internal (if you don`t skip it) interfaces ? You have to add these pass rules to pf, it's pretty straightforward. -- Thanks! Evgeniy Sudyr pass in on $ext_nic proto tcp from any to 192.168.1.227 port ssh queue ssh pass in on $ext_nic proto tcp from any to 192.168.1.227 port www queue www On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Timothy Beyer timot...@titaniumant.com wrote: Here's some log output. B I forgot to note this is on OpenBSD 4.2. B The first entry is a successful connection to one of the working redirects. B Connection attempts to the redirect I'm trying to add don't show up in the log even after adding a log directive in the filter rules. -T B tcpdump: listening on pflog0, link-type PFLOG Sep 02 15:00:13.263016 rule 24/(match) pass in on fxp0: 75.xxx.xxx.209.51635 192.168.1.16.22: [|tcp] (DF) Sep 02 15:00:14.783786 rule 0/(match) block in on fxp0: 208.xxx.xxx.236.32780 38.xxx.xxx.206.53:[|domain] Sep 02 15:00:15.529433 rule 0/(match) block in on fxp0: 208.xxx.xxx.236.32780 38.xxx.xxx.206.53:[|domain] Sep 02 15:00:16.279410 rule 0/(match) block in on fxp0: 208.xxx.xxx.236.32780 38.xxx.xxx.206.53:[|domain] Sep 02 15:00:17.779913 rule 0/(match) block in on fxp0: 208.xxx.xxx.236.32780 38.xxx.xxx.206.53:[|domain] Sep 02 15:00:18.529400 rule 0/(match) block in on fxp0: 208.xxx.xxx.236.32780 38.xxx.xxx.206.53:[|domain] Sep 02 15:00:19.279498 rule 0/(match) block in on fxp0: 208.xxx.xxx.236.32780 38.xxx.xxx.206.53:[|domain] Sep 02 15:00:20.780050 rule 0/(match) block in on fxp0: 208.xxx.xxx.236 38.xxx.xxx.206: icmp: echo request Sep 02 15:00:21.529443 rule 0/(match) block in on fxp0: 208.xxx.xxx.236 38.xxx.xxx.206: icmp: echo request Sep 02 15:00:22.28 rule 0/(match) block in on fxp0: 208.xxx.xxx.236 38.xxx.xxx.206: icmp: echo request From: sven falempin [sven.falem...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:05 PM To: Timothy Beyer Cc: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: pf redirect problem tcpdump on pflog will probably help (see the FAQ) 2010/9/2 Timothy Beyer timot...@titaniumant.commailto:timot...@titaniumant.com Hello, I'm having trouble setting up a redirect rule and I'm not sure where I'm going wrong. B My redirect line and filter rules look like: rdr on $ext_nic proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.213 - 192.168.1.227 pass in on $ext_nic proto tcp from any to 192.168.1.227 port ssh queue ssh pass in on $ext_nic proto tcp from any to 192.168.1.227 port www queue www The output of 'pfctl -s nat' is: nat on fxp0 inet from 192.168.1.0/24http://192.168.1.0/24 to any - 38.xxx.xxx.206 nat on fxp0 inet from 192.168.2.0/24http://192.168.2.0/24 to any - 38.xxx.xxx.207 nat on fxp0 inet from 192.168.3.0/24http://192.168.3.0/24 to any - 38.xxx.xxx.208 nat on dc3 inet from 192.168.1.0/24http://192.168.1.0/24 to any - 192.168.10.156 nat on fxp0 inet from 192.168.10.15 to any - 38.xxx.xxx.206 rdr on fxp0 inet proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.209 - 192.168.1.16 rdr on fxp0 inet proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.210 - 192.168.1.21 rdr on fxp0 inet proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.212 - 192.168.1.12 rdr on fxp0 inet proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.211 - 192.168.1.24 rdr on fxp0 inet proto tcp from any to 38.xxx.xxx.213 - 192.168.1.227 All of the other redirects are working. B I see my filter rule in the output from 'pfctl -s rules' but I can't connect via ssh from an external network after reloading pf.conf. B Any insight would be very much appreciated. B I've posted my full conf at http://pastebin.com/TZa0WzE0 if needed. Thanks, Tim -- B No doubt it is one of the functions of art to replace religious faith by the effective ingredient of beauty. At least beauty must have the power of a poem, that is to say of a crime . -- -- With regards, Eugene Sudyr
