Re: undeadly (window managers)
Brett wrote: bleh ... it does what it advertizes and works pretty fine, I've used it for years and the fact that it's a stone age version does not prevent me from working with it both at home at work. the reason why i like it is precisely because it's simple and doesn't come with tons of features that change all of the time, it's the same look feel on all systems I use, and has been like that for years. Yes, I concur with this sentiment. Having tried many WMs, and doing repetitive wiping of installs/port building that you eventually want stability and not go hunting why this or that broke. It just diverts your time away from your planned work for that day. So I now use the default fvwm like Marc says he does, but I am looking for a very fast compiled lightweight WM, and will try out the alternatives :-) Joe's Window Manager is fast to compile. I've been using for a few months and have not noticed any bugs. The config file is in xml and easy to set up, and very flexible. Combined with dmenu you can setup a system for fast workflow. It is stacked, not tiling, though, so maybe some programmers might not like that aspect. I use twm (with a few initial settings made in the late 90s) more then 10 years (!), it fits all my needs at work and at home -- Alexei Malinin
Re: undeadly (window managers)
Marc wrote: the reason why i like it is precisely because it's simple and doesn't come with tons of features that change all of the time, it's the same look feel on all systems I use, and has been like that for years. That is true for me, too. I don't use any pointing devices for normal workflow at all, only if i have to enter web-browser, PDF-viewer or if i go audacity, so i'm thankful this is so easily possible with ahwm. And i require my ALT-TAB with it's *natural* flow. (IMHO.) (To be honest - on this MacBook i sometimes enjoy the touchpad: gestures are fat on the code side, but fingertipping is a sensual experience for sure.. Must be a bit of the usual 1st world megalomania - *everything*, and at your fingertip..) Anyway, i was happy that i've found ahwm, as i had kinda frustrating experiences using fvwm*, icewm and the others i tried. And it has a real documentation, that was not self-evident at that time. And it worked the way it should right away. (And when there's nothing, there's nothing you can run from.) It would be a pity if such a good piece of software would get lost. I remember reading an article in the german computer magazine c't around year 2000 (something) about a (Mac) text editor named Pepper, and it was a rather enthusiastic report. Then, once i got this MacBook in 2009, i searched the internet - and it was *all gone*! No executable, no code, nowhere. Amit wrote: Yes, I concur with this sentiment. Having tried many WMs, and doing repetitive wiping of installs/port building that you eventually want stability and not go hunting why this or that broke. It just diverts your time away from your planned work for that day. So I now use the default fvwm like Marc says he does, but I am looking for a very fast compiled lightweight WM, and will try out the alternatives :-) Having had no contact to port stuff yet, i'll try to provide the ahwm package as fast as possible, for you to try ,- I looked for a nice stub template and found one in jwm, so maybe it'll do without reading all the port documentation beforehand. (cough.) Brett wrote: Joe's Window Manager is fast to compile. I've been using for a few months and have not noticed any bugs. The config file is in xml and easy to set up, and very flexible. Combined with dmenu you can setup a system for fast workflow. It is stacked, not tiling, though, so maybe some programmers might not like that aspect. 1.6 MB screenshot. XML configuration. Hey, Joe. Oh! That's jwm! Well. --steffen Forza Figa!
Re: undeadly (window managers)
In message http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=133568945200754w=1, Alexei Malinin Alexei.Malinin () mail ! ru wrote: I use twm (with a few initial settings made in the late 90s) more then 10 years (!), it fits all my needs at work and at home old-fogie mode I started with twm around 1986-7, and still have several old .twmrc files with 1992-1993 timestamps. Sometime or other I really ought to get around to trying one of these new-fangled multi-desktop thingies... :) /old-fogie mode Seriously, I'm basically happy with twm, but a multi-desktop variant would be nice. Looking around for such a critter, I've found vtwm, ctwm, and tvtwm. What are the tradeoffs between them? ciao, -- -- Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply] jth...@astro.indiana-zebra.edu Dept of Astronomy IUCSS, Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana, USA Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral. -- quote by Freire / poster by Oxfam
sndiod is not working for me
Hi!. Long history short. I've updated my desktop system with new hardware for to work on some new ports. The system is fast and I'm very happy with the performance. Now the bad news. I have two little and frustrating problems. I'll send after other mail with my other (unrelated) problem. I've been searching from a week ago the root of the problem and the solution, but I can't find the fix for this. sndiod is not working by default. OpenBSD runs always sndiod, I can see the sndiod daemon on the boot process and ps shows the daemon running. All is OK but it is not working. I try aucat -i file.wav and I hear nothing. The mixer has the correct values. Of course, the soundcard is supported by OpenBSD. I've found only one fix for the problem. I'll write below the process: Power on the system. sndiod appears in the boot output. ps shows sndiod running: # ps -auxHk | grep -i snd _sndio 17172 0.0 0.0 460 508 ?? Is 10:10PM0:00.00 /usr/bin/sndiod root 11464 0.0 0.0 376 872 p0 S+10:11PM0:00.00 grep -i snd # aucat -i file.wav - I hear nothing. # /etc/rc.d/sndiod -df stop doing rc_read_runfile doing rc_check sndiod doing rc_stop doing rc_wait stop doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check doing rc_check (failed) # ps -auxHk | grep -i snd _sndio 17172 0.0 0.0 576 968 ?? Ss 10:10PM0:00.21 /usr/bin/sndiod root 18007 0.0 0.0 448 252 p0 R+/0 10:12PM0:00.00 grep -i snd # kill -9 17172 # ps -auxHk | grep -i snd _sndio 17172 0.0 0.0 576 968 ?? SEs 10:10PM0:00.25 (sndiod) root 428 0.0 0.0 412 276 p0 R+/1 10:12PM0:00.00 grep -i snd # ps -auxHk | grep -i snd root 14505 0.0 0.0 320 240 p0 R+/1 10:13PM0:00.00 grep -i snd # /etc/rc.d/sndiod -df start doing rc_read_runfile doing rc_check sndiod doing rc_start doing rc_write_runfile (ok) # ps -auxHk | grep -i snd _sndio 31989 0.0 0.0 540 980 ?? Is 10:13PM0:00.15 /usr/bin/sndiod root 8498 0.0 0.0 188 240 p0 R+/0 10:27PM0:00.00 grep -i snd # aucat -i file.wav - Now works. I can hear the audio. I'm using plain -current. OpenBSD 5.1-current (GENERIC.MP) #2: Sun Apr 29 00:28:29 CEST 2012 juan...@sobremesa.juanfra.info:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP real mem = 8566591488 (8169MB) avail mem = 8316198912 (7930MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.6 @ 0xeb0d0 (65 entries) bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version 0707 date 02/07/2012 bios0: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. F1A55 acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC MCFG HPET SSDT SSDT acpi0: wakeup devices SBAZ(S4) PS2K(S4) PS2M(S4) UAR1(S4) UHC1(S4) UHC2(S4) USB3(S4) UHC4(S4) USB5(S4) UHC6(S4) UHC7(S4) PE20(S4) PE21(S4) RLAN(S4) PE22(S4) PE23(S4) PCE2(S4) PCE4(S4) P0PC(S4) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 32 bits acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: AMD A4-3400 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics, 2700.24 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,MWAIT,CX16,POPCNT,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW,LAHF,CMPLEG,SVM,EAPICSP,AMCR8,ABM,SSE4A,MASSE,3DNOWP,OSVW,IBS,SKINIT cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 16 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: DTLB 48 4KB entries fully associative, 48 4MB entries fully associative cpu0: AMD erratum 721 detected and fixed cpu0: apic clock running at 199MHz cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu1: AMD A4-3400 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics, 2699.94 MHz cpu1: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,MWAIT,CX16,POPCNT,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW,LAHF,CMPLEG,SVM,EAPICSP,AMCR8,ABM,SSE4A,MASSE,3DNOWP,OSVW,IBS,SKINIT cpu1: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache cpu1: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 16 4MB entries fully associative cpu1: DTLB 48 4KB entries fully associative, 48 4MB entries fully associative cpu1: AMD erratum 721 detected and fixed ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 3 pa 0xfec0, version 21, 24 pins acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xe000, bus 0-255 acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318180 Hz acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 3 (PE20) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 4 (PE21) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus -1 (PE22) acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus 5 (PE23) acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus -1 (BR13) acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus -1 (PCE2) acpiprt7 at acpi0:
The multimedia keys of my usb keyboard don't work
Hi. The multimedia keys of my usb keyboard don't work. xev shows
nothing when I press the keys. I've searched in the archives but I've
found nothing.
I've tried the integrated keyboard of my netbook with the same layout
(pc105 es) and this works without problems.
I've tried the usb keyboard on two computers (with different arch and
wm) and doesn't work the multimedia keys. On other OS the keyboard works
perfect.
Am I missing something? Any suggestion?
$ setxkbmap -print -verbose
Trying to build keymap using the following components:
keycodes: xfree86+aliases(qwerty)
types: complete
compat: complete
symbols:pc+es+inet(pc105)+terminate(ctrl_alt_bksp)
geometry: pc(pc105)
xkb_keymap {
xkb_keycodes { include xfree86+aliases(qwerty) };
xkb_types { include complete };
xkb_compat{ include complete };
xkb_symbols { include pc+es+inet(pc105)+terminate(ctrl_alt_bksp)
};
xkb_geometry { include pc(pc105) };
};
My system is plain -current.
OpenBSD 5.1-current (GENERIC.MP) #2: Sun Apr 29 00:28:29 CEST 2012
juan...@sobremesa.juanfra.info:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP
real mem = 8566591488 (8169MB)
avail mem = 8316198912 (7930MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.6 @ 0xeb0d0 (65 entries)
bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version 0707 date 02/07/2012
bios0: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. F1A55
acpi0 at bios0: rev 2
acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC MCFG HPET SSDT SSDT
acpi0: wakeup devices SBAZ(S4) PS2K(S4) PS2M(S4) UAR1(S4) UHC1(S4) UHC2(S4)
USB3(S4) UHC4(S4) USB5(S4) UHC6(S4) UHC7(S4) PE20(S4) PE21(S4) RLAN(S4)
PE22(S4) PE23(S4) PCE2(S4) PCE4(S4) P0PC(S4)
acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 32 bits
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: AMD A4-3400 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics, 2700.24 MHz
cpu0:
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,MWAIT,CX16,POPCNT,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW,LAHF,CMPLEG,SVM,EAPICSP,AMCR8,ABM,SSE4A,MASSE,3DNOWP,OSVW,IBS,SKINIT
cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line
16-way L2 cache
cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 16 4MB entries fully associative
cpu0: DTLB 48 4KB entries fully associative, 48 4MB entries fully associative
cpu0: AMD erratum 721 detected and fixed
cpu0: apic clock running at 199MHz
cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor)
cpu1: AMD A4-3400 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics, 2699.94 MHz
cpu1:
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,MWAIT,CX16,POPCNT,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW,LAHF,CMPLEG,SVM,EAPICSP,AMCR8,ABM,SSE4A,MASSE,3DNOWP,OSVW,IBS,SKINIT
cpu1: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line
16-way L2 cache
cpu1: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 16 4MB entries fully associative
cpu1: DTLB 48 4KB entries fully associative, 48 4MB entries fully associative
cpu1: AMD erratum 721 detected and fixed
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 3 pa 0xfec0, version 21, 24 pins
acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xe000, bus 0-255
acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318180 Hz
acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0)
acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 3 (PE20)
acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 4 (PE21)
acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus -1 (PE22)
acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus 5 (PE23)
acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus -1 (BR13)
acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus -1 (PCE2)
acpiprt7 at acpi0: bus -1 (PCE4)
acpiprt8 at acpi0: bus 1 (P0PC)
acpicpu0 at acpi0: C2, PSS
acpicpu1 at acpi0: C2, PSS
acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB
cpu0: 2700 MHz: speeds: 2700 2400 2200 2000 1800 1400 1100 800 MHz
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 AMD AMD64 12h Host rev 0x00
ahci0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 AMD Hudson AHCI rev 0x40: msi, AHCI 1.3
scsibus0 at ahci0: 32 targets
sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: ATA, ST3250310AS, 3.AA SCSI3 0/direct fixed
t10.ATA_ST3250310AS_5RY0ZTKS
sd0: 238475MB, 512 bytes/sector, 488397168 sectors
sd1 at scsibus0 targ 1 lun 0: ATA, ST3500418AS, CC34 SCSI3 0/direct fixed
naa.5000c500142c3ef3
sd1: 476940MB, 512 bytes/sector, 976773168 sectors
ohci0 at pci0 dev 18 function 0 AMD Hudson USB rev 0x11: apic 3 int 18,
version 1.0, legacy support
ehci0 at pci0 dev 18 function 2 AMD Hudson USB rev 0x11: apic 3 int 17
usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0
uhub0 at usb0 AMD EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1
ohci1 at pci0 dev 19 function 0 AMD Hudson USB rev 0x11: apic 3 int 18,
version 1.0, legacy support
ehci1 at pci0 dev 19 function 2 AMD Hudson USB rev 0x11: apic 3 int 17
usb1 at ehci1: USB revision 2.0
uhub1 at usb1 AMD EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1
piixpm0 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 AMD Hudson-2 SMBus rev 0x13: polling
iic0 at piixpm0
iic0: addr 0x20 01=0d 02=17 03=26 04=00 05=00 06=00 07=00 08=00 09=00 0a=00
0b=00 0c=00 0d=00 0e=09 0f=8b 10=00 11=00 12=00 13=00 14=00 15=0f 16=1a 17=20
18=e0 19=fb 1a=a8 1b=a3 1c=ac 1d=80 1e=04 1f=03 20=09 21=09
OSPF oddness
OK, this might just be my misunderstanding of OSPF, so just want to run this by you and see if it is a mistake on my behalf. Let me try and explain: In this case I have a number of routers (OpenBSD 5.0 boxes running ospfd and bgpd, except .106 which is a Cisco) which all share a common network to peer traffic (vlan50 213.133.64.96/27). The also are all on a management network (vlan1 192.168.111.0/24). They each have various other vlans connected to various other networks. The problem I have is that I don't seem to be able to control which router is used to send traffic to a host on the management vlan (e.g. 192.168.111.31). So, on 213.133.64.103: # ospfctl sh dat | grep 192.168.111. 192.168.111.0 213.133.64.98 924 0x80ce 0x91ba 192.168.111.0 213.133.64.101 500 0x8094 0xf38f 192.168.111.0 213.133.64.102 1361 0x8005 0x0d05 192.168.111.0 213.133.64.104 1963 0x8011 0x674c 192.168.111.0 213.133.64.106 19 0x8012 0x5957 # ospfctl sh rib | grep 192.168.111. 192.168.111.0/24 213.133.64.98 Type 1 ext Network 110 02:22:39 192.168.111.0/24 213.133.64.101Type 1 ext Network 110 02:22:39 192.168.111.0/24 213.133.64.102Type 1 ext Network 110 02:22:34 Firstly, why don't all the routes in the ospf database appear in the rib? The problem I'm seeing is a packet going via 213.133.64.103 as a router destined to 192.168.111.31 gets sent via 213.133.64.98, but 192.168.111.31 has a default gateway of 192.168.111.1 which is the other interface on the router 213.133.64.106. So I get asymmetric packet flows. I want to somehow say that 213.133.64.106 is the preferred router when trying to reach 192.168.111.0/24. Yet seeing as all of the routers are on the same network segment I don't see how I can set the cost. Even if i could get the cost on vlan50 to take any effect (I've tried different values to no joy) it would surely affect *all* routes to that router, not just 192.168.111.0/24. -Matt
Re: OSPF oddness
Matt Hamilton matth at netsight.co.uk writes: OK, this might just be my misunderstanding of OSPF, so just want to run this by you and see if it is a mistake on my behalf. Let me try and explain: Nevermind... after battling this for several hours, I manage to work it out 5 mins after sending the email to the list. I just found out I need to add vlan1 as an interface on each ospfd in passive mode. Then I can add a metric to ech one individually. -Matt
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