Re: Contribute to base

2019-10-11 Thread giant

Use the system. Soon enough you'll find something you don't like or
that could work better.


One thing that's tickled me since I've used OpenBSD is the lack of a
DHCPv6 client and server in base. Since I can't program, please be my
guest, OP!

Is there a reason why dhcpcd is not included in base?



Re: BACK TO BASICS

2019-10-11 Thread Theo de Raadt
Ingo Schwarze  wrote:

> Theo de Raadt wrote on Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 10:08:22AM -0600:
> > openbsd.s...@0sg.net wrote:
> 
> [...]
> >> Deep down, I'm actually so saddened to see the original, and still
> >> performing, UNIX has become so divided first splitting into three
> >> *BSD communities, and then further diluted efforts with GNU and the
> >> Linux kernel...
> >> 
> >> That's all I was trying to say.
> 
> > That's right, because monopolies always serve the public better!
> 
> And besides, the original Version 7 AT UNIX has been more or less
> free for several years now, so if you don't like the forks, you are
> welcome to run the real thing.
> 
> For your convenience, the OpenBSD project is even providing the
> Version 7 manuals online:
> 
>   https://man.openbsd.org/UNIX-7/boot.8
>   https://man.openbsd.org/?query=.=1=UNIX-7
> 
> In the unlikely case that you lack a PDP-11, i'm sure it will be
> easy for you to port it to amd64.  After all, most of the system
> was written in K C, so it should still compile, with some minor
> adjustments.

Deep down, I'm actually so saddened to see the original, and still
performing, PDP-11 has become so divided first splitting into three
incompatible DEC productlines, and then further diluted efforts with
Intel and MIPS, and then all the other companies...

That's all I was trying to say.


Yes, I'm mocking the OP's severe lack of education.  Lack of
variation and competition always sucks more.




Re: BACK TO BASICS

2019-10-11 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Theo de Raadt wrote on Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 10:08:22AM -0600:
> openbsd.s...@0sg.net wrote:

[...]
>> Deep down, I'm actually so saddened to see the original, and still
>> performing, UNIX has become so divided first splitting into three
>> *BSD communities, and then further diluted efforts with GNU and the
>> Linux kernel...
>> 
>> That's all I was trying to say.

> That's right, because monopolies always serve the public better!

And besides, the original Version 7 AT UNIX has been more or less
free for several years now, so if you don't like the forks, you are
welcome to run the real thing.

For your convenience, the OpenBSD project is even providing the
Version 7 manuals online:

  https://man.openbsd.org/UNIX-7/boot.8
  https://man.openbsd.org/?query=.=1=UNIX-7

In the unlikely case that you lack a PDP-11, i'm sure it will be
easy for you to port it to amd64.  After all, most of the system
was written in K C, so it should still compile, with some minor
adjustments.

Yours,
  Ingo



Re: BACK TO BASICS

2019-10-11 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 06:34:10PM +0200, Sylvain wrote:
> Le 11 octobre 2019 18:08:22 GMT+02:00, "Theo de Raadt - dera...@openbsd.org" 
>  a écrit :

Holy fork, now this is a long email address...

> >openbsd.s...@0sg.net wrote:
[...]
> >
> >That's right, because monopolies always serve the public better!
> 
> Rhetorically this answer sounds actually right... 

But I suspect it is given with a really long tongue in a cheek. Or
maybe not?

-- 
Regards,
Tomasz Rola

--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature.  **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home**
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened...  **
** **
** Tomasz Rola  mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **



Re: BACK TO BASICS

2019-10-11 Thread Sylvain
Le 11 octobre 2019 18:08:22 GMT+02:00, "Theo de Raadt - dera...@openbsd.org" 
 a écrit :
>openbsd.s...@0sg.net wrote:
>
>> > "Nick Holland - n...@holland-consulting.net"
>> > Envoyé: Jeudi 10 Octobre 2019 03:24AM
>> > 
>> > On 10/9/19 11:19 AM, openbsd.s...@0sg.net wrote:
>> > > Here's what I think.
>> > ...[bla bla bla]...
>> > > Amirite ? ;)
>> > 
>> > I don't know.  Let's see your work.
>> > 
>> > I don't care what your theoretical arguments are, I want to see
>> > results.
>> 
>> Well then you'll only have the website provided...
>> 
>> But actually my question is more rethorical.
>> Deep down, I'm actually so saddened to see the original, and still
>> performing, UNIX has become so divided first splitting into three
>> *BSD communities, and then further diluted efforts with GNU and the
>> Linux kernel...
>> 
>> That's all I was trying to say.
>
>That's right, because monopolies always serve the public better!

Rhetorically this answer sounds actually right... 
Sylvain Saboua 
K9 Mail sur Android



Re: BACK TO BASICS

2019-10-11 Thread Theo de Raadt
openbsd.s...@0sg.net wrote:

> > "Nick Holland - n...@holland-consulting.net"
> > Envoyé: Jeudi 10 Octobre 2019 03:24AM
> > 
> > On 10/9/19 11:19 AM, openbsd.s...@0sg.net wrote:
> > > Here's what I think.
> > ...[bla bla bla]...
> > > Amirite ? ;)
> > 
> > I don't know.  Let's see your work.
> > 
> > I don't care what your theoretical arguments are, I want to see
> > results.
> 
> Well then you'll only have the website provided...
> 
> But actually my question is more rethorical.
> Deep down, I'm actually so saddened to see the original, and still
> performing, UNIX has become so divided first splitting into three
> *BSD communities, and then further diluted efforts with GNU and the
> Linux kernel...
> 
> That's all I was trying to say.

That's right, because monopolies always serve the public better!



Re: BACK TO BASICS

2019-10-11 Thread openbsd . ssab
> "Nick Holland - n...@holland-consulting.net"
> Envoyé: Jeudi 10 Octobre 2019 03:24AM
> 
> On 10/9/19 11:19 AM, openbsd.s...@0sg.net wrote:
> > Here's what I think.
> ...[bla bla bla]...
> > Amirite ? ;)
> 
> I don't know.  Let's see your work.
> 
> I don't care what your theoretical arguments are, I want to see
> results.

Well then you'll only have the website provided...

But actually my question is more rethorical.
Deep down, I'm actually so saddened to see the original, and still
performing, UNIX has become so divided first splitting into three
*BSD communities, and then further diluted efforts with GNU and the
Linux kernel...

That's all I was trying to say.

Sylvain S