Re: "OpenBSD Doc" App idea
Unfortunately, I'm not an app guy. Hopeing anyone is listening. As I live my spare time with the tablet very handy and I found some nice stuff for Unix I launched the idea. Indeed, I continue to read you. But I already expressed my thoughts around the app.. if I miss to reply to some of your suggestions pls don't mind it. Thx to all. -- Daniele Bonini Sep 10, 2023 07:38:04 Stuart Longland VK4MSL : > Nothing stopping you from writing one.
Re: "OpenBSD Doc" App idea
On 8/9/23 00:27, Daniele B. wrote: Just pushing myself over any device limit.. I just searched the App Stores for "Unix" and related ones and wondering if we can hope to have an "OpenBSD Doc" app beside a "FreeBSD Doc" app anytime soon? Anyone's offer? Yes I'm talking to you.. ;D Nothing stopping you from writing one. About the only thing you can't do without prior permission is imply any sort of "official" status for said software. Mark it clearly as being an unofficial third-party tool, and you shouldn't have any problems legally. (If in doubt, consult a lawyer.) Having one that pulls the latest docs from a CVS mirror then renders them on the fly could be nice I guess if done well. If done poorly, it'll be a nightmare for all concerned (CVS mirror admins included). Another option might be to pull the docs from the Github mirror. Sure, won't be 100% latest, since the official upstream is CVS with the Github mirror a "best effort" secondary concern… but at least if you hammer it with a poorly written client, it'll be Microsoft's problem not an issue for the OpenBSD mirror admins. The rest of us can just use the website or man pages the way we've always done. -- Stuart Longland (aka Redhatter, VK4MSL) I haven't lost my mind... ...it's backed up on a tape somewhere.
Re: "OpenBSD Doc" App idea
Not quite. Haikus have a 5-7-5 pattern. But, with a few subtle modifications, it can be: Without reading more, you are either trolling, or fucking retarded. It does grow tiresome, Daniele. Read the room a little bit. On 9/7/23 14:30, Jan Stary wrote: Without even reading ahead: you are either trolling or just fucking retarded. (Is that a haiku?) On Sep 07 16:27:18, my2...@has.im wrote: Hello, Just pushing myself over any device limit.. I just searched the App Stores for "Unix" and related ones and wondering if we can hope to have an "OpenBSD Doc" app beside a "FreeBSD Doc" app anytime soon? Anyone's offer? Yes I'm talking to you.. ;D -- Daniele Bonini
Re: "OpenBSD Doc" App idea
After an issue with mangl, from ports, I discovered and configure man.cgi on localhost httpd after install - works great (online or offline)! Thanks, David Rinehart On 9/8/23 13:54, Amarendra Godbole wrote: > On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 8:02 AM Luke Call wrote: >> On 2023-09-07 22:47:47+0200, Daniele B. wrote: I don't know if Android has a similar feature, but at least on iOS you can save a particular website to your home as a webapp from Safari. >>> Thanks for the answer Shokara. My initiative was to call for the development >>> in the community of a serious app, with commands directory and full-text >>> search, >>> working offline on multiple device with different screen orientation. >>> >>> Beside the possibility to create an home link of the online site on Android. >>> >> If you need full-text search from the desktop, this does the job for me. >> I put it in my path and call the script "mank" since it resembles >> Linux's "man -K" well enough >> for me, and has been useful when I just know I read something but can't >> remember where well enough to use apropos. It is not fast. It assumes >> bash is installed from packages, but could easily be changed to use ksh >> instead. >> >> #!/usr/bin/env bash >> set -eux >> TMP=$(mktemp -t mank-tmp-output_XX) >> nice grep -irE -C "$1" /usr/share/man/* 2>&1 > $TMP || true >> nice grep -irE -C "$1" /usr/local/man/* 2>&1 >> $TMP || true >> less -p "$1" $TMP >> rm -f $TMP >> echo $? >> >> I also have used wget a couple of times in the past to locally mirror >> www.openbsd.org in case I needed something and can't get online, and >> then one could grep that also (or use google to do a full-text online search >> of that site), but I don't know whether that wget thing is a great idea. > [...] > > Alternately, you can also clone the www repo: https://github.com/openbsd/www > > Thanks. > > -ag >
Re: "OpenBSD Doc" App idea
On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 8:02 AM Luke Call wrote: > > On 2023-09-07 22:47:47+0200, Daniele B. wrote: > > > > > I don't know if Android has a similar feature, but at least on iOS you > > > can save a particular website to your home as a webapp from Safari. > > > > Thanks for the answer Shokara. My initiative was to call for the development > > in the community of a serious app, with commands directory and full-text > > search, > > working offline on multiple device with different screen orientation. > > > > Beside the possibility to create an home link of the online site on Android. > > > > If you need full-text search from the desktop, this does the job for me. > I put it in my path and call the script "mank" since it resembles > Linux's "man -K" well enough > for me, and has been useful when I just know I read something but can't > remember where well enough to use apropos. It is not fast. It assumes > bash is installed from packages, but could easily be changed to use ksh > instead. > > #!/usr/bin/env bash > set -eux > TMP=$(mktemp -t mank-tmp-output_XX) > nice grep -irE -C "$1" /usr/share/man/* 2>&1 > $TMP || true > nice grep -irE -C "$1" /usr/local/man/* 2>&1 >> $TMP || true > less -p "$1" $TMP > rm -f $TMP > echo $? > > I also have used wget a couple of times in the past to locally mirror > www.openbsd.org in case I needed something and can't get online, and > then one could grep that also (or use google to do a full-text online search > of that site), but I don't know whether that wget thing is a great idea. [...] Alternately, you can also clone the www repo: https://github.com/openbsd/www Thanks. -ag
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On 2023-09-07 22:47:47+0200, Daniele B. wrote: > > > I don't know if Android has a similar feature, but at least on iOS you > > can save a particular website to your home as a webapp from Safari. > > Thanks for the answer Shokara. My initiative was to call for the development > in the community of a serious app, with commands directory and full-text > search, > working offline on multiple device with different screen orientation. > > Beside the possibility to create an home link of the online site on Android. > If you need full-text search from the desktop, this does the job for me. I put it in my path and call the script "mank" since it resembles Linux's "man -K" well enough for me, and has been useful when I just know I read something but can't remember where well enough to use apropos. It is not fast. It assumes bash is installed from packages, but could easily be changed to use ksh instead. #!/usr/bin/env bash set -eux TMP=$(mktemp -t mank-tmp-output_XX) nice grep -irE -C "$1" /usr/share/man/* 2>&1 > $TMP || true nice grep -irE -C "$1" /usr/local/man/* 2>&1 >> $TMP || true less -p "$1" $TMP rm -f $TMP echo $? I also have used wget a couple of times in the past to locally mirror www.openbsd.org in case I needed something and can't get online, and then one could grep that also (or use google to do a full-text online search of that site), but I don't know whether that wget thing is a great idea.
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Sep 8, 2023 01:51:44 Shokara Kou : > then I suggest reading Michael W. Lucas's book > called Absolute OpenBSD[1] (and other books feature on OpenBSD's > site[2]). Though it's not a mobile app, it's still an excellent source > of documentation. Hello, sorry for the nap ;D Thank you for the suggestion Shokara. And no, book and app can't be considered the same expecially in the full-text search feature and if you want in the user appeal like the tailored solution of the app gives away. I think to have clarified all the the details of the app I'm minding that I hope someone can develop before or after. I included also the screenshot. And i added some candies on how for market reasons this and many other public initiatives are not easy to happen when is about OpenBSD. Adding, my 10$ a year to OpenBSD cause will surely not change that, unfortunately. I'm pretty happy about all what the thread expressed. Beside I support the suggestion to read Absolute OpenBSD book. -- Daniele Bonini
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Hi again Daniele, > I do not know if this is acceptable and forgive me for the unwanted > advertisement but attached a screenshot of the basic functionalities of the > app > I was wondering about. If you want a good source of offline documentation for OpenBSD but don't want to use an offline copy of man.openbsd.org (like the man set on a regular OpenBSD install), then I suggest reading Michael W. Lucas's book called Absolute OpenBSD[1] (and other books feature on OpenBSD's site[2]). Though it's not a mobile app, it's still an excellent source of documentation. A decent mobile PDF reader of your choice in addition to an offline copy of the man pages used with Termux should be close to what you're asking for? You can also try adapting a Linux manpage app called Man Man[3] for use with OpenBSD's man page too, but I don't see why you cannot just use the previously mentioned options instead of going through the effort of patching an Android program. Regards, Shokara [1]: https://mwl.io/nonfiction/os#ao2e [2]: https://www.openbsd.org/books.html [3]: https://f-droid.org/packages/com.adonai.manman/
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Sep 7, 2023 23:39:46 Ingo Schwarze : >> working offline > > That's a pretty bad idea. The information on man.openbsd.org > is automatically updated every night; an offline copy would almost > instantly become outdated I'm pointing to a rich version of the FAQ more than the man, this should have less frequent changes. Hovewer, it is the main downside to solve. Being securely offline needs to find the right approach to these updates. -- Daniele Bonini
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Hi Daniele, Daniele B. wrote on Thu, Sep 07, 2023 at 10:47:47PM +0200: >> I don't know if Android has a similar feature, but at least on iOS you >> can save a particular website to your home as a webapp from Safari. > Thanks for the answer Shokara. My initiative was to call for the > development in the community of a serious app, with commands directory I'm not quite sure what you mean by "commands directory", but we certainly provide a directory of commands: https://man.openbsd.org/?query=.=1=1 > and full-text search, OpenBSD does not provide full-text search for its documentation because full-text search is less powerful and more noisy than the semantic search we do provide. For details, see https://man.openbsd.org/man1/apropos.1 https://man.openbsd.org/man.cgi.8 in particular https://man.openbsd.org/man1/apropos.1#Macro_Keys https://man.openbsd.org/man.cgi.8#HTML_search_interface If you really want full-text search very badly, you can turn to NetBSD. Last time i looked, they provided full-text search but not semantic search. On OpenBSD, you can of course use $ grep -R regexp /usr/share/man but that will always spew lots of noise and only very rarely any additional useful results in addition to what $ man -k any~regexp provides. > working offline That's a pretty bad idea. The information on man.openbsd.org is automatically updated every night; an offline copy would almost instantly become outdated. Yours, Ingo
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> I don't know if Android has a similar feature, but at least on iOS you > can save a particular website to your home as a webapp from Safari. Thanks for the answer Shokara. My initiative was to call for the development in the community of a serious app, with commands directory and full-text search, working offline on multiple device with different screen orientation. Beside the possibility to create an home link of the online site on Android.
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Thank you to touch base with the usual insults too, Jan. ;D >> Windowz Doc, Mac Doc, Linux Doc and OpenBSD Doc App I know how to discriminate and sort these apps obviously, it was an humoristic axe I played against the non obvious coudardy to leave OpenBSD always at the last place on the market for the joy of few but us. I simply never would like to find myself in the urgent need of the doc and see that online version could be quite "confusing" or sort of "incomplete In some parts" caused by an "erroneus transmission". Indeed I came from my search my App Store around Unix and found: - FreeBSD Doc; - Unix Tutorial; - Linux command library; And nothing about OpenBSD sporting neither its doc nor one marketing pin, from here my initiative.
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Hi Daniele, > I was clearly meaning doing the doc app before to put the whole OpenBSD on > the cloud, > sorry for the late clarification. ;D I don't know if Android has a similar feature, but at least on iOS you can save a particular website to your home as a webapp from Safari. That way you can still have the up-to-date OpenBSD documentation from man.openbsd.org in a pseudo-app. Regards, Shokara
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On Sep 07 18:19:29, my2...@has.im wrote: > Clearly I do not want to discriminate among > Windowz Doc, Mac Doc, Linux Doc and OpenBSD Doc > mobile apps, of the App Store ( the proposed order is clearly random) Learn to discriminate, for everyone's sake.
Re: "OpenBSD Doc" App idea
Without even reading ahead: you are either trolling or just fucking retarded. (Is that a haiku?) On Sep 07 16:27:18, my2...@has.im wrote: > Hello, > > Just pushing myself over any device limit.. > I just searched the App Stores for "Unix" and related ones > and wondering if we can hope to have an "OpenBSD Doc" > app beside a "FreeBSD Doc" app anytime soon? > > Anyone's offer? Yes I'm talking to you.. ;D > > -- Daniele Bonini > >
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Sep 7, 2023 19:24:51 Ingo Schwarze : > > In particular, there is no interest in providing an "OpenBSD Doc" > app on Google Play, nor can i see any need for such an app. I was clearly meaning doing the doc app before to put the whole OpenBSD on the cloud, sorry for the late clarification. ;D -- Daniele Bonini
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Hi Daniele, Daniele B. wrote on Thu, Sep 07, 2023 at 06:08:06PM +0200: > I simply opened my Google Play and I tried to search Unix > and related terms, etc etc. I had to look up what "Google Play" means, but now your question is specific enough to allow an authoritative answer: Providing apps to the "Google Play" app store falls outside the scope of the OpenBSD project. In particular, there is no interest in providing an "OpenBSD Doc" app on Google Play, nor can i see any need for such an app. To access OpenBSD docs on your Android device, simply use https://man.openbsd.org/ and report any adaptive design issues you might encounter. Yours, Ingo -- > Sorry to have awaked you, I may have looked asleep, but i was merely writing documentation. =:c) #slackers
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Clearly I do not want to discriminate among Windowz Doc, Mac Doc, Linux Doc and OpenBSD Doc mobile apps, of the App Store ( the proposed order is clearly random) -- Daniele Bonini
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Hey Ingo, > I feel very confused Sorry to have awaked you, I didn't think "App Sore" could cause so much disappointment in one person, sorry for that. I notice that you oftwn write me sporting some .de domains, it will be a case I say. I guess you are pointing about "my blood". However, no problem! I simply opened my Google Play and I tried to search Unix and related terms, etc etc. as mentiomed > https://termux.dev/ Thank you very nide and off topic. Appreciated, german one! -- Daniele Bonini Sep 7, 2023 17:46:49 Ingo Schwarze : > In case you are talking about Android mobile devices - which, > admittedly, is a wild guess on my part - the Termux system already > includes the OpenBSD version of man(1) by default, and it has been > doing so for more than a decade now. In that sense, Android already > has an OpenBSD documentation app. For more information, see: > > https://termux.dev/ > > In case you are talking about Apple devices running macOS, newer > versions of that system now also use the OpenBSD implementation as > the formatting engine in their man(1) program - though last time i > heard something about that, it didn't appear to be quite stable yet > but hastily stitched together and rather buggy, as usual with Unix > software on macOS in general. > >> Anyone's offer? Yes I'm talking to you.. ;D > > I feel very confused by your request, and i fear i don't really > understand what you are asking for.
Re: "OpenBSD Doc" App idea
Hi Daniele, Daniele B. wrote on Thu, Sep 07, 2023 at 04:27:18PM +0200: > Just pushing myself over any device limit.. Huh? What does that mean? > I just searched the App Stores for "Unix" and related ones > and wondering if we can hope to have an "OpenBSD Doc" > app beside a "FreeBSD Doc" app anytime soon? I'm usually interested in anything related to BSD documentation, but it seems pretty unclear to me what you are talking about here. What is the meaning of the term "app store"? The "app store" for OpenBSD is documented in the manual pages pkg_add(1) and packages(7), but you do not need any of that for reading OpenBSD documentation nor for reading third-party documentation on OpenBSD. The "app" you use on OpenBSD for reading documentation is standardized by POSIX, called man(1), and on OpenBSD, it provides many extensions to the standard. Alternatively, at points in time when you do not have access to any OpenBSD system, you can also read OpenBSD documentation here, without needing any "app" whatsoever, in plain HTML5+CSS format: https://man.openbsd.org/ Now *if* you are talking about mobile devices, effort has been spent on giving https://man.openbsd.org/ an adaptive design. In case there are still any respects in which it isn't mobile-friendly, reports are quite welcome. Again, no "app store" needed for all i know... In case you are talking about Android mobile devices - which, admittedly, is a wild guess on my part - the Termux system already includes the OpenBSD version of man(1) by default, and it has been doing so for more than a decade now. In that sense, Android already has an OpenBSD documentation app. For more information, see: https://termux.dev/ In case you are talking about Apple devices running macOS, newer versions of that system now also use the OpenBSD implementation as the formatting engine in their man(1) program - though last time i heard something about that, it didn't appear to be quite stable yet but hastily stitched together and rather buggy, as usual with Unix software on macOS in general. > Anyone's offer? Yes I'm talking to you.. ;D I feel very confused by your request, and i fear i don't really understand what you are asking for. Yours, Ingo
"OpenBSD Doc" App idea
Hello, Just pushing myself over any device limit.. I just searched the App Stores for "Unix" and related ones and wondering if we can hope to have an "OpenBSD Doc" app beside a "FreeBSD Doc" app anytime soon? Anyone's offer? Yes I'm talking to you.. ;D -- Daniele Bonini
