Re: Compliments and Knob Question
Richard Toohey wrote: On 5/12/2007, at 7:09 PM, Richard Toohey wrote: On 5/12/2007, at 4:24 PM, L wrote: Question about buttons and knobs.. What exactly is a knob? [cut] it simpler. For example the CP command is just a knob for copy.. My understanding of knob is an option or a switch. I guess the meaning is like a music console - all those knobs you can turn to fiddle with sound. Like this stuff ... http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2005/01/26/synthedit1_0105.html Lots and lots and LOTS of knobs all to fiddle with sound. I always thought of the BGP routing protocol as the ultimate example of software knobbage. Brian
Re: Compliments and Knob Question
On 05/12/2007, Jeremy Huiskamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That thing on the door is a handle. A knob would let you adjust how far the door opens, how much it resists being opened, whether or not it shuts itself (and how quickly) and how far you have to turn the handle to get it to start opening. Clearly most doors work just fine without knobs. Good answer. -- Best Regards Edd --- http://students.dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/ebarrett
Compliments and Knob Question
Hello, I just plugged in some USB devices into my old 133Mhz laptop with OpenBSD on it and they magically work. These devices would not work and/or had problems on Winblows with the laptop.. yet on the desktop they USB devices worked fine. So as I say.. compliments, and thanks. Question about buttons and knobs.. What exactly is a knob? I ask because on a Door, a knob is very useful for getting the door open.. if the door didn't have a knob I'd have to stick my finger or a credit card into the latch area and get it open. Is a knob an extra feature that doesn't really add anything much better, but is just there for the sake of being trendy? Is a knob a wrapper in some cases? For example is IFUP/IFDOWN a knob? Is a symlink a knob since that is essentially an extra directory that isn't necessarily needed since you could just be simple and use the actual file instead.. I think some 'wrappers' are useful so I hope all wrappers are not knobs.. I think maybe I have the definition of a knob wrong.J Having two knobs on a door is stupid, unless one knob is for a really short person who is 1 foot tall and the other knob is for the 5 foot person). I know I'm being a knob asking what a knob is, but I seriously want to know exactly what a knob or button is. Yes I googled it and basically all I found was a knob is when someone implements something that doesn't seem to be the best solution or the knob doesn't really add any extra enhancement. But on a door, a knob is quite needed.. so.. flamebaits aside.. I'd like technical knob discussion please. As an API author I try to reduce complexity.. but sometimes making wrappers around an API might add a knob around it to make it simpler. For example the CP command is just a knob for copy.. Regards, L505 Knob Student
Re: Compliments and Knob Question
On 4-Dec-07, at 10:24 PM, L wrote: Hello, I just plugged in some USB devices into my old 133Mhz laptop with OpenBSD on it and they magically work. These devices would not work and/or had problems on Winblows with the laptop.. yet on the desktop they USB devices worked fine. So as I say.. compliments, and thanks. Question about buttons and knobs.. What exactly is a knob? I ask because on a Door, a knob is very useful for getting the door open.. if the door didn't have a knob I'd have to stick my finger or a credit card into the latch area and get it open. Is a knob an extra feature that doesn't really add anything much better, but is just there for the sake of being trendy? Is a knob a wrapper in some cases? For example is IFUP/IFDOWN a knob? Is a symlink a knob since that is essentially an extra directory that isn't necessarily needed since you could just be simple and use the actual file instead.. I think some 'wrappers' are useful so I hope all wrappers are not knobs.. I think maybe I have the definition of a knob wrong.J Having two knobs on a door is stupid, unless one knob is for a really short person who is 1 foot tall and the other knob is for the 5 foot person). I know I'm being a knob asking what a knob is, but I seriously want to know exactly what a knob or button is. Yes I googled it and basically all I found was a knob is when someone implements something that doesn't seem to be the best solution or the knob doesn't really add any extra enhancement. But on a door, a knob is quite needed.. so.. flamebaits aside.. I'd like technical knob discussion please. As an API author I try to reduce complexity.. but sometimes making wrappers around an API might add a knob around it to make it simpler. For example the CP command is just a knob for copy.. Regards, L505 Knob Student That thing on the door is a handle. A knob would let you adjust how far the door opens, how much it resists being opened, whether or not it shuts itself (and how quickly) and how far you have to turn the handle to get it to start opening. Clearly most doors work just fine without knobs.
Re: Compliments and Knob Question
Question about buttons and knobs.. What exactly is a knob? At least here is Australia, knob is slang for: 1. Penis 2. an idiot or a person who does stupid things. That guy is a knob
Re: Compliments and Knob Question
That thing on the door is a handle. A knob would let you adjust how far the door opens, how much it resists being opened, whether or not it shuts itself (and how quickly) and how far you have to turn the handle to get it to start opening. Clearly most doors work just fine without knobs. Tech knob discussion, how about a nice boring dictionary answer. 1 a*:* a rounded protuberance *:* lump b*:* a small rounded ornament or handle 2*:* a rounded usually isolated hill or mountain This seems that a knob doesn't have to be useful. Brian
Re: Compliments and Knob Question
On 5/12/2007, at 4:24 PM, L wrote: Question about buttons and knobs.. What exactly is a knob? [cut] it simpler. For example the CP command is just a knob for copy.. My understanding of knob is an option or a switch. I guess the meaning is like a music console - all those knobs you can turn to fiddle with sound. So you start off with command X that moves bytes from A to B. So the user does ... X A B ... and his bytes are moved. Then dev. a adds an option - a knob. X [a] A B Then dev. b add his option X [a|b] A B Then devs c, d, e etc. And someone adds the -quiet knob, the - verbose knob. And obviously if you run -quiet you would ignore - verbose? Or the other way round? X [a|b|c|d|e|f] A B By now the code starts to have a lot of conditionals: if a and b but not c do this otherwise if f do that Code gets messy - harder to follow - bugs creep in (potentially security related.) When you want to add feature Z - which ones of all those knobs/options should it handle? In what way? Was it REALLY worth adding all those options for a couple of people here or there (who could have piped output / used a Perl script / whatever?) Usually not. I guess it would be the same for an API - you start with a simple entry point and end up with a lot of entry points, or having a whole heap of options in every entry point. My 2c ...
Re: Compliments and Knob Question
On 5/12/2007, at 7:09 PM, Richard Toohey wrote: On 5/12/2007, at 4:24 PM, L wrote: Question about buttons and knobs.. What exactly is a knob? [cut] it simpler. For example the CP command is just a knob for copy.. My understanding of knob is an option or a switch. I guess the meaning is like a music console - all those knobs you can turn to fiddle with sound. Like this stuff ... http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2005/01/26/synthedit1_0105.html Lots and lots and LOTS of knobs all to fiddle with sound.
