Re: IPv6 - www.openbsd.org
* Martin Schrvder mar...@oneiros.de [2011-06-05 21:44]: 2011/6/3 Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk: preference for ipv4 since I first compared them. The fact programmers don't like it, tops it off. Carrier grade NAT is so much better than IPv6 easily. -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting
Re: IPv6 - www.openbsd.org
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 04:45:51PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: Plenty of people who drink a lot in OpenBSD. They even need an extra 2 As to prove it. Hi, I'm Claudio, and I'm here because of IPv6. On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 01:39:03PM -0700, Matthew Dempsky wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Zamri Besar zam4e...@gmail.com wrote: Just a question. www.openbsd.org not reachable via IPv6 network? Does www.openbsd.org have any records? No. -- :wq Claudio
Re: IPv6 - www.openbsd.org
On 2011-06-04, Zamri Besar zam4e...@gmail.com wrote: Just a question. www.openbsd.org not reachable via IPv6 network? My network at home runs IPv6 and www.openbsd.org is perfectly reachable by falling back to v4. The only real problem I see is where a site advertises v6 addresses but the connectivity is broken - that is a real problem today, especially with such large and important networks as Cogent and Hurricane Electric having no connectivity between each other (google will find you lots more information about this). If you have a network without even natted IPv4 connectivity (though I don't understand why anyone would want that and I'd consider it broken), the following website mirrors have working records. http://openbsd.comstyle.com/ http://www.openbsd.dk/ http://www.jp.openbsd.org/ http://www.obsd.si/ http://openbsd.fries.net/
Re: IPv6 - www.openbsd.org
On Sun, 5 Jun 2011 03:47:59 +0800 Zamri Besar wrote: Good morning, Just a question. www.openbsd.org not reachable via IPv6 network? nslookup -type= www.kame.net 8.8.8.8 nslookup -type= www.freebsd.org 8.8.8.8 nslookup -type= www.netbsd.org 8.8.8.8 They're too lazy to want to wield axes. Why, do you not support ipv4? Lookup ipvshit
Re: IPv6 - www.openbsd.org
2011/6/4 Zamri Besar zam4e...@gmail.com: nslookup -type= www.openbsd.org 8.8.8.8 Non-authoritative answer: *** Can't find www.openbsd.org: No answer I remember having similar discussion here with Theo and Claudio a while ago: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/177418 The problem is, IPv6 has some dragons hidden that don't show up in a newspaper article. You need experience to see them and even the protocol itself isn't simple. In addition, some people misunderstand the creators' intents (how many times did you use *and got working* multiple address spaces in one network to provide connection redundancy, instead of PI space, which is difficult to acquire?), others make wrong assumptions (/48s where /24 was too much already, because the space is oh so big!), try to force their old IPv4 customs (/117 for hundreds of users), act irrationally (non-/64 netmask and gateway via DHCPv6 in Linux, yay!) and suddenly the real world application turns into quite a mess. Hell, some soho routers still don't work well in IPv4, what'd you expect? You're probably going to experience some of that that the IPv6 day after tomorrow. However, I don't believe we're in a point where anyone can go back. Even if Theo, Henning and Claudio sat for a month and came up with something everyone would like, I have never met a manager willing to throw away millions of Cisco's development dollars. I have met very few network admins willing to learn yet another solution. And I don't believe Microsoft is going to give Class E addresses in old Windows some welly, either. Nor anyone volunteerly giving up their 20 years old precious /16. Welcome to the human race. As a result, you're either in or out. Either you're making a living, and not-supporting IPv6 means deliberately disserving your customers (sorry everyone, but ordinary people don't give a damn about your opinion), or you're a non-profit organization, such as OpenBSD, and you can rebel against it by not using it. -- Martin Pelikan
Re: IPv6 - www.openbsd.org
As a result, you're either in or out. Either you're making a living, and not-supporting IPv6 means deliberately disserving your customers (sorry everyone, but ordinary people don't give a damn about your opinion), or you're a non-profit organization, such as OpenBSD, and you can rebel against it by not using it. If someone wants to permanently pay the bills for us to get PI IPv6 space, we might hook it up.
Re: IPv6 - www.openbsd.org
On Sun, 5 Jun 2011 18:19:34 +0200 Martin Pelikan wrote: As a result, you're either in or out. Either you're making a living, and not-supporting IPv6 means deliberately disserving your customers (sorry everyone, but ordinary people don't give a damn about your opinion), No they don't give a damn about IPS, if something doesn't work then it's someones fault. That would be whoever doesn't support ipv4 nothing to do with ipv6, of course unfortunately that might change someday but doesn't necessarily have to. My ISP doesn't provide IPv6 and untill they ALL do, you must support ipv4 and I'd hope forever or untill ipv5 or ipv7 though ipv5/7 is dreaming, as you've pointed out quite well.
Re: IPv6 - www.openbsd.org
On 2011-06-05, Martin Pelikan martin.peli...@gmail.com wrote: how many times did you use *and got working* multiple address spaces in one network to provide connection redundancy, instead of PI space, which is difficult to acquire?) not really difficult any more, RIRs are allowing this nowadays.
Re: IPv6 - www.openbsd.org
Lookup ipvshit these sentiments are understandable (expected, even) from people who are having to write code to support a protocol which clearly did not have enough input from programmers at the design stage. but it gets really boring when people parrot it all the time...
Re: IPv6 - www.openbsd.org
On Sun, 5 Jun 2011 18:59:58 + (UTC) Stuart Henderson wrote: but it gets really boring when people parrot it all the time... Actually it was a genuine keyword, but someone gave links later anyway. Each to their own, I like it, it's now part of my vocab. I don't really understand the programming problems much, but I've had functional preference for ipv4 since I first compared them. The fact programmers don't like it, tops it off.
Re: IPv6 - www.openbsd.org
2011/6/3 Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk: preference for ipv4 since I first compared them. The fact programmers don't like it, tops it off. Carrier grade NAT is so much better than IPv6
IPv6 - www.openbsd.org
Good morning, Just a question. www.openbsd.org not reachable via IPv6 network? ping6 -c2 www.kame.net PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) 2001:e68:2000:3:215:c5ff:fefb:c22f -- 2001:200:dff:fff1:216:3eff:feb1:44d7 16 bytes from 2001:200:dff:fff1:216:3eff:feb1:44d7, icmp_seq=0 hlim=53 time=128.810 ms 16 bytes from 2001:200:dff:fff1:216:3eff:feb1:44d7, icmp_seq=1 hlim=53 time=121.426 ms --- orange.kame.net ping6 statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 121.426/125.118/128.810/3.692 ms ping6 -c2 www.openbsd.org ping6: hostname nor servname provided, or not known ping6 -c2 www.freebsd.org PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) 2001:e68:2000:3:215:c5ff:fefb:c22f -- 2001:4f8:fff6::22 16 bytes from 2001:4f8:fff6::22, icmp_seq=0 hlim=51 time=340.325 ms 16 bytes from 2001:4f8:fff6::22, icmp_seq=1 hlim=51 time=340.765 ms --- red.freebsd.org ping6 statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 340.325/340.545/340.765/0.220 ms ping6 -c2 www.netbsd.org PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) 2001:e68:2000:3:215:c5ff:fefb:c22f -- 2001:4f8:3:7:2e0:81ff:fe52:9a6b 16 bytes from 2001:4f8:3:7:2e0:81ff:fe52:9a6b, icmp_seq=0 hlim=51 time=341.447 ms 16 bytes from 2001:4f8:3:7:2e0:81ff:fe52:9a6b, icmp_seq=1 hlim=51 time=343.418 ms --- www.netbsd.org ping6 statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 341.447/342.433/343.418/0.986 ms nslookup -type= www.kame.net 8.8.8.8 Server: 8.8.8.8 Address:8.8.8.8#53 Non-authoritative answer: www.kame.netcanonical name = orange.kame.net. orange.kame.net has address 2001:200:dff:fff1:216:3eff:feb1:44d7 Authoritative answers can be found from: nslookup -type= www.openbsd.org 8.8.8.8 Server: 8.8.8.8 Address:8.8.8.8#53 Non-authoritative answer: *** Can't find www.openbsd.org: No answer Authoritative answers can be found from: openbsd.org origin = zeus.theos.com mail addr = root.theos.com serial = 950512 refresh = 17200 retry = 3600 expire = 360 minimum = 86400 nslookup -type= www.freebsd.org 8.8.8.8 Server: 8.8.8.8 Address:8.8.8.8#53 Non-authoritative answer: www.freebsd.org canonical name = red.freebsd.org. red.freebsd.org has address 2001:4f8:fff6::22 Authoritative answers can be found from: nslookup -type= www.netbsd.org 8.8.8.8 Server: 8.8.8.8 Address:8.8.8.8#53 Non-authoritative answer: www.netbsd.org has address 2001:4f8:3:7:2e0:81ff:fe52:9a6b Authoritative answers can be found from: -- Thank you. Zamri Besar
Re: IPv6 - www.openbsd.org
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Zamri Besar zam4e...@gmail.com wrote: Just a question. www.openbsd.org not reachable via IPv6 network? Does www.openbsd.org have any records? No.
Re: IPv6 - www.openbsd.org
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Zamri Besar zam4e...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning, Just a question. www.openbsd.org not reachable via IPv6 network? Nope, it's only on the real internet.
Re: IPv6 - www.openbsd.org
Plenty of people who drink a lot in OpenBSD. They even need an extra 2 As to prove it. On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 01:39:03PM -0700, Matthew Dempsky wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Zamri Besar zam4e...@gmail.com wrote: Just a question. www.openbsd.org not reachable via IPv6 network? Does www.openbsd.org have any records? No.
