Re: Mosh? seems dangerous!
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 08:33:08PM +0200, Gilles Chehade wrote: > Well, I don't know how useful it is and I'm not debating it, but making > it a big selling point while saying confidentiality and security are > minor enhancements is a sign of lost sanity ;-) Even kermit people say ssh sux and telnet with kerberos rocks ;) Different people, different opinions. jirib
Re: Mosh? seems dangerous!
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:00 AM, Chris Cappuccio wrote: > Christian Weisgerber [na...@mips.inka.de] wrote: >> Gilles Chehade wrote: >> >> > > http://mosh.mit.edu/ >> > >> > "Moreover, TELNET had some good things going it for a local-echo mode and >> > a well-defined network virtual terminal. Then SSH came along and added minor >> > enhancements like confidentiality and authentication, at the cost of losing >> > the local-echo mode and the well-defined terminal semantics." >> >> This must be satire. Right? >> I mean, "local-echo mode"? What is this? 1975? > > It's part of Nicholas Marriott's April Fools joke, 1975 meets "meb 3.0" home page. It's actually just tmux with some extensions. > No, it' s not tmux, it's a a joke with "extensions" or without. -- Marius
Re: Mosh? seems dangerous!
Christian Weisgerber [na...@mips.inka.de] wrote: > Gilles Chehade wrote: > > > > http://mosh.mit.edu/ > > > > "Moreover, TELNET had some good things going it for a local-echo mode and > > a well-defined network virtual terminal. Then SSH came along and added > > minor > > enhancements like confidentiality and authentication, at the cost of losing > > the local-echo mode and the well-defined terminal semantics." > > This must be satire. Right? > I mean, "local-echo mode"? What is this? 1975? It's part of Nicholas Marriott's April Fools joke, 1975 meets "meb 3.0" home page. It's actually just tmux with some extensions.
Re: Mosh? seems dangerous!
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:19:44AM -0700, Johan Beisser wrote: > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Christian Weisgerber > wrote: > > Gilles Chehade wrote: > > > This must be satire. Right? > > I mean, "local-echo mode"? What is this? 1975? > > In lossy or high latency environments I find a local echo to be really > useful. To the point I occasionally dump stdout through my ssh tunnel > locally instead of trying to run an interactive shell. > Well, I don't know how useful it is and I'm not debating it, but making it a big selling point while saying confidentiality and security are minor enhancements is a sign of lost sanity ;-) -- Gilles Chehade https://www.poolp.org | http://pool.ps @poolpOrg
Re: Mosh? seems dangerous!
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Gilles Chehade wrote: > This must be satire. Right? > I mean, "local-echo mode"? What is this? 1975? In lossy or high latency environments I find a local echo to be really useful. To the point I occasionally dump stdout through my ssh tunnel locally instead of trying to run an interactive shell.
Re: Mosh? seems dangerous!
Heh, I did. I was looking at the problem statement of "oh, you have to enter passwords each time you login from a different place". A combination of authorized_keys + tmux/screen would have solved that problem, methinks, and far better than yet another daemon (something that sits on a udp port is still a daemon) -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk "This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity." -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. "Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted." -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30v_g83VHK4
Re: Mosh? seems dangerous!
Gilles Chehade wrote: > > http://mosh.mit.edu/ > > "Moreover, TELNET had some good things going it for a local-echo mode and > a well-defined network virtual terminal. Then SSH came along and added minor > enhancements like confidentiality and authentication, at the cost of losing > the local-echo mode and the well-defined terminal semantics." This must be satire. Right? I mean, "local-echo mode"? What is this? 1975? -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de
Re: Mosh? seems dangerous!
Have you REALLY read what it is??? I don't think so ;) Once more please: http://mosh.mit.edu/ You must first log in via SSH (with the keys if you want) and then from the server you start the mosh client as an application and do a callback to the client. It's not a daemon and it does not need any high privileges to run. I don't have any problem with SSH so I will not use this any way, it just seems to much work and another layer of overhead just to get rid of some lag that never caused me any problem. -- Johan Ryberg 2012/4/11 bofh : > And apparently they don't know how to use authorized_keys either :)
Re: Mosh? seems dangerous!
And apparently they don't know how to use authorized_keys either :) -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk "This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity." -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. "Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted." -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30v_g83VHK4
Re: Mosh? seems dangerous!
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:39:39PM -0400, bofh wrote: > Apparently MIT's folks want to do SSH with roaming. > > Just curious what you guys think of it. > > http://mosh.mit.edu/ > Quote: "Moreover, TELNET had some good things going it for a local-echo mode and a well-defined network virtual terminal. Then SSH came along and added minor enhancements like confidentiality and authentication, at the cost of losing the local-echo mode and the well-defined terminal semantics." "minor" enhancements like confidentiality and authentication ? at the cost of losing the local-echo mode ? dunno about the quality of the stuff, but... promoting, they're doing it wrong -- Gilles Chehade https://www.poolp.org | http://pool.ps @poolpOrg
Mosh? seems dangerous!
Apparently MIT's folks want to do SSH with roaming. Just curious what you guys think of it. http://mosh.mit.edu/ -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk "This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity." -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. "Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted." -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30v_g83VHK4
