Re: OT: Laptop advice. SSD costs.
Christian Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de wrote: Lenovo also has an SSD for the X40/X41 as replacement part FRU41W0736. Well, I just ordered one of the Lenovo drives. I'll see how that works out. Got it yesterday and put it in my X40. wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: MCCOE64GEMPP wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA, 57231MB, 117210240 sectors wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 3 Producing sensible benchmarks is a lot of work. So I didn't bother. Let's just say, while this is no Intel X25, it is quite a bit faster than the original harddrive. Linear read performance like resuming from hibernation is stunning of course, but things like cvs up from a local repository are also vastly improved, and extracting base46.tgz doesn't stall for small files like it does on the Compact Flash I use in my Soekris. Most importantly, the SSD buys peace of mind. No more worrying that the disk sounds like it is tearing itself apart during cvs up. No more regular clicking sounds that are obviously harmless but sound like a head crash. No more worrying about moving the machine during disk activity. -- Christian naddy Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de
Re: OT: Laptop advice. SSD costs.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Amarendra Godbole amarendra.godb...@gmail.com wrote: Be careful with X60, since it has *known* heating issues for the wireless (intel one) Heh, well here I am typing on an x60 running windows. I will be replacing the wireless card with a ral anyways, so let's hope that might cure the overheating? Thanks for the info. -- Best Regards Edd Barrett (Freelance software developer / technical writer / open-source developer) http://students.dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/ebarrett
Re: OT: Laptop advice. SSD costs.
* Aaron Mason simplersolut...@gmail.com [2009-09-17 03:52]: Would these drives by any chance be similar to the 1.8 ZIF drives used in (*shudder*) 5th gen iPods? I have one from my iPod that died a horrible death and it still runs fine. The drive's a 30 gigabyte Toshiba drive, and after the iPod it was used on a PATA to 1.8 ZIF converter and used on a PC running OpenBSD. If this suits your needs, I'm happy to donate it if you can cover postage from Australia. x40 do not use 1.8 zif drives but 1.8 drives with the regular 2.5 pata interface. which is exactly the issue - nothing else does. -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting - Hamburg Amsterdam
Re: OT: Laptop advice. SSD costs.
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:16:58 +0200 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote: * Aaron Mason simplersolut...@gmail.com [2009-09-17 03:52]: Would these drives by any chance be similar to the 1.8 ZIF drives used in (*shudder*) 5th gen iPods? I have one from my iPod that died a horrible death and it still runs fine. The drive's a 30 gigabyte Toshiba drive, and after the iPod it was used on a PATA to 1.8 ZIF converter and used on a PC running OpenBSD. If this suits your needs, I'm happy to donate it if you can cover postage from Australia. x40 do not use 1.8 zif drives but 1.8 drives with the regular 2.5 pata interface. which is exactly the issue - nothing else does. 44 pin on the longer side of the drive? Like the Solidata M2 1,8 ? The M1 variant uses SLC chips. There are adapters on ebay for connecting 1,8 ZIF dirves to 44-pin IDE. But I'd guess that the adapter and the drive won't fit the bay of the x40. - Robert
Re: OT: Laptop advice. SSD costs.
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Robert rob...@openbsd.pap.st wrote: There are adapters on ebay for connecting 1,8 ZIF dirves to 44-pin IDE. But I'd guess that the adapter and the drive won't fit the bay of the x40. If the amount of effort spent trying to get hard drives for x40 was spent working on ACPI instead, you'd be able to use an x60 with working suspend by now. :)
Re: OT: Laptop advice. SSD costs.
* Robert rob...@openbsd.pap.st [2009-09-17 16:34]: On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:16:58 +0200 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote: * Aaron Mason simplersolut...@gmail.com [2009-09-17 03:52]: Would these drives by any chance be similar to the 1.8 ZIF drives used in (*shudder*) 5th gen iPods? I have one from my iPod that died a horrible death and it still runs fine. The drive's a 30 gigabyte Toshiba drive, and after the iPod it was used on a PATA to 1.8 ZIF converter and used on a PC running OpenBSD. If this suits your needs, I'm happy to donate it if you can cover postage from Australia. x40 do not use 1.8 zif drives but 1.8 drives with the regular 2.5 pata interface. which is exactly the issue - nothing else does. 44 pin on the longer side of the drive? yes. Like the Solidata M2 1,8 ? The M1 variant uses SLC chips. dunno :) my two X40s have working disks, but I am out of spares so this will become a problem soon There are adapters on ebay for connecting 1,8 ZIF dirves to 44-pin IDE. But I'd guess that the adapter and the drive won't fit the bay of the x40. no way, no. -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting - Hamburg Amsterdam
Re: OT: Laptop advice. SSD costs.
From: Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de * Robert rob...@openbsd.pap.st [2009-09-17 16:34]: On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:16:58 +0200 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote: * Aaron Mason simplersolut...@gmail.com [2009-09-17 03:52]: Would these drives by any chance be similar to the 1.8 ZIF drives used in (*shudder*) 5th gen iPods? I have one from my iPod that died a horrible death and it still runs fine. The drive's a 30 gigabyte Toshiba drive, and after the iPod it was used on a PATA to 1.8 ZIF converter and used on a PC running OpenBSD. If this suits your needs, I'm happy to donate it if you can cover postage from Australia. x40 do not use 1.8 zif drives but 1.8 drives with the regular 2.5 pata interface. which is exactly the issue - nothing else does. The iPod might not have suitable drives for the X41, but some other MP3 players do. Possibly the iRiver series, but my memory fails me. I recommend browsing http://forum.thinkpads.com/ for more information. They can give you chapter and verse on both the drives and compact flash options. Just how hard is hacking ACPI to get the X60/X61 working, anyway? Currently I'm trying to fix an old X driver (on an AMD Geode based system : it just turns the screen black) but perhaps I should help to get other bits of hardware I own working. PK
Re: OT: Laptop advice. SSD costs.
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:57, Claudio Jeker cje...@diehard.n-r-g.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 05:21:17PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: * Robert rob...@openbsd.pap.st [2009-09-17 16:34]: On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:16:58 +0200 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote: * Aaron Mason simplersolut...@gmail.com [2009-09-17 03:52]: Would these drives by any chance be similar to the 1.8 ZIF drives used in (*shudder*) 5th gen iPods? B I have one from my iPod that died a horrible death and it still runs fine. The drive's a 30 gigabyte Toshiba drive, and after the iPod it was used on a PATA to 1.8 ZIF converter and used on a PC running OpenBSD. If this suits your needs, I'm happy to donate it if you can cover postage from Australia. x40 do not use 1.8 zif drives but 1.8 drives with the regular 2.5 pata interface. which is exactly the issue - nothing else does. 44 pin on the longer side of the drive? yes. Like the Solidata M2 1,8 ? The M1 variant uses SLC chips. dunno :) my two X40s have working disks, but I am out of spares so this will become a problem soon I have my old disks in case of emergency. There are adapters on ebay for connecting 1,8 ZIF dirves to 44-pin IDE. But I'd guess that the adapter and the drive won't fit the bay of the x40. no way, no. There are ZIF to 44 IDE adapters that fit. I have one of them in my X40. You need to more or less disensemble the complete X40 to insert them but this gives you a chance at cleaning it up a bit :) -- :wq Claudio Addonics has a SATA to CF connector that I use in my dell laptop. It's great to turn on my laptop with 16GB of CF in there and enjoy a silent box. The fan doesn't even run. The only time is when I'm building java and it heats up a little. They even have a 4CF pci card system. I bought a 2 CF-SATA for a cheap SSD, but I got a bad CF card and lost some data. The best thing is, OpenBSD runs excellently on it. http://www.addonics.com/products/cf_adapter/
Re: OT: Laptop advice. SSD costs.
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 05:21:17PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: * Robert rob...@openbsd.pap.st [2009-09-17 16:34]: On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:16:58 +0200 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote: * Aaron Mason simplersolut...@gmail.com [2009-09-17 03:52]: Would these drives by any chance be similar to the 1.8 ZIF drives used in (*shudder*) 5th gen iPods? I have one from my iPod that died a horrible death and it still runs fine. The drive's a 30 gigabyte Toshiba drive, and after the iPod it was used on a PATA to 1.8 ZIF converter and used on a PC running OpenBSD. If this suits your needs, I'm happy to donate it if you can cover postage from Australia. x40 do not use 1.8 zif drives but 1.8 drives with the regular 2.5 pata interface. which is exactly the issue - nothing else does. 44 pin on the longer side of the drive? yes. Like the Solidata M2 1,8 ? The M1 variant uses SLC chips. dunno :) my two X40s have working disks, but I am out of spares so this will become a problem soon I have my old disks in case of emergency. There are adapters on ebay for connecting 1,8 ZIF dirves to 44-pin IDE. But I'd guess that the adapter and the drive won't fit the bay of the x40. no way, no. There are ZIF to 44 IDE adapters that fit. I have one of them in my X40. You need to more or less disensemble the complete X40 to insert them but this gives you a chance at cleaning it up a bit :) -- :wq Claudio
Re: OT: Laptop advice. SSD costs.
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:13:51 -0700 Bryan bra...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:57, Claudio Jeker cje...@diehard.n-r-g.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 05:21:17PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: * Robert rob...@openbsd.pap.st [2009-09-17 16:34]: On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:16:58 +0200 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote: * Aaron Mason simplersolut...@gmail.com [2009-09-17 03:52]: Would these drives by any chance be similar to the 1.8 ZIF drives used in (*shudder*) 5th gen iPods? B I have one from my iPod that died a horrible death and it still runs fine. The drive's a 30 gigabyte Toshiba drive, and after the iPod it was used on a PATA to 1.8 ZIF converter and used on a PC running OpenBSD. If this suits your needs, I'm happy to donate it if you can cover postage from Australia. x40 do not use 1.8 zif drives but 1.8 drives with the regular 2.5 pata interface. which is exactly the issue - nothing else does. 44 pin on the longer side of the drive? yes. Like the Solidata M2 1,8 ? The M1 variant uses SLC chips. dunno :) my two X40s have working disks, but I am out of spares so this will become a problem soon I have my old disks in case of emergency. There are adapters on ebay for connecting 1,8 ZIF dirves to 44-pin IDE. But I'd guess that the adapter and the drive won't fit the bay of the x40. no way, no. There are ZIF to 44 IDE adapters that fit. I have one of them in my X40. You need to more or less disensemble the complete X40 to insert them but this gives you a chance at cleaning it up a bit :) -- :wq Claudio Yeah, got told offlist that by removing the drivecage there is enough space behind the flap. Addonics has a SATA to CF connector that I use in my dell laptop. It's great to turn on my laptop with 16GB of CF in there and enjoy a silent box. The fan doesn't even run. The only time is when I'm building java and it heats up a little. If the x40 had Sata there wont be anything to talk about. :) They even have a 4CF pci card system. I bought a 2 CF-SATA for a cheap SSD, but I got a bad CF card and lost some data. The best thing is, OpenBSD runs excellently on it. http://www.addonics.com/products/cf_adapter/ I went the CF route some years back (1,8drive with smaller and reversed ide on the short side: whatever that connector was called), but a cheap hongkong adapter worked nicely aswell. The only alternative would have been used Ipod 1gen harddrives, yuk. Today there are some faster CF cards around that might be fast and big enough to use in a main system to compile lots of code, but they cost even more than an even faster SSD. At some point that route doesn't make sense anymore. - Robert
Re: OT: Laptop advice. SSD costs.
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:46 AM, STeve Andre' and...@msu.edu wrote: On Monday 14 September 2009 14:17:35 you wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:40:36PM -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: Certainly there are SSDs that work just fine, but from the experiences of friends, I'd say they're at least 3 times more flaky than disks are. Intel had a recall on some earlier this summer, too. Disks are cheap, really cheap right now... Disks for the X40/X41 are not at all cheap. These are a very rare breed, hence the discussion and frustration of many X40/X41 owners. Well, I stand corrected. The source I used to buy one doesn't have any more, and it seems that the price for a new 40G disk is on the order of $280, a significant increase from when I bought one. So that makes the SSDs more attractive. I'm still leery of them, though. --STeve Andre' Edd, Would these drives by any chance be similar to the 1.8 ZIF drives used in (*shudder*) 5th gen iPods? I have one from my iPod that died a horrible death and it still runs fine. The drive's a 30 gigabyte Toshiba drive, and after the iPod it was used on a PATA to 1.8 ZIF converter and used on a PC running OpenBSD. If this suits your needs, I'm happy to donate it if you can cover postage from Australia. Regards -- Aaron Mason - Programmer, open source addict - Oh, why does everything I whip leave me?
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On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Edd Barrett vex...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Dan Harnett dan...@harnett.name wrote: At least here, one could get a used X60 for the cost of the 128GB drive. Yes, I think this is my new plan. Would have been nice to have the tablet, but it's not essential. Thanks to all that replied. [...] Be careful with X60, since it has *known* heating issues for the wireless (intel one) -- the right palm rest terribly heats up, and it is very uncomfortable to use then. I have the one that heats up, and I know how it is like on OpenBSD (less heating observed on Windows). No changes were observed even after changing the power. Lenovo finally replaced the entire motherboard for my X60, and it now heats up less. So if you are planning to go for a resale X60, confirm this first. Turns out that the vents and sinks are poorly designed around the card under the palm rest. In X61, they added a vent mesh on the right, which has reduced this problem somewhat. More details on the heating issue here: http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/X-Series-ThinkPad-Laptops/x6x-thinkpad-hot-palmrest-issue/td-p/775 -Amarendra
OT: Laptop advice. SSD costs.
Hi, As some of you may know, my beloved x31 thinkpad went pop last week and needs a new system board :( Not worth the effort in replacing. I have located someone willing to sell me an X41 tablet at a very affordable price, however this is the model with the sucky hitachi disk. I have seen that you can get SSD adaptors for X41's and slap an SSD in there, but I am not really sure if it is wise, as SSD disks seems to be rather expensive. My questions: a) Is there anywhere you can get SSD's for cheaper than 100GBP. I only really need 60GB or so. b) Any other comments? Thanks -- Best Regards Edd Barrett (Freelance software developer / technical writer / open-source developer) http://students.dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/ebarrett
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On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 02:37:39PM +, Christian Weisgerber wrote: b) Any other comments? I don't think there is any SSD available that (1) can be fitted into an X40/X41, (2) is available in 64 GB or more, and (3) has reasonable performance for small random writes. It's frustrating as hell. RunCore also makes a drive that fits without an adaptor. AFAIK, it's available in capacities ranging from from 16 to 128 GB. Seems quite expensive, though. http://www.runcorestore.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=80A5-1249409435 At least here, one could get a used X60 for the cost of the 128GB drive.
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As just for information at ldlc.com you find out a 32 GO for some 90 EUR and a 64 GO for a 130 EUR inc transp. I use one of them on my PC and installed OpenBSD quite well, however not a laptop. Just be sure it will meet your need. Le lundi 14 septembre 2009 C 11:13 +0100, Edd Barrett a C)crit : Hi, As some of you may know, my beloved x31 thinkpad went pop last week and needs a new system board :( Not worth the effort in replacing. I have located someone willing to sell me an X41 tablet at a very affordable price, however this is the model with the sucky hitachi disk. I have seen that you can get SSD adaptors for X41's and slap an SSD in there, but I am not really sure if it is wise, as SSD disks seems to be rather expensive. My questions: a) Is there anywhere you can get SSD's for cheaper than 100GBP. I only really need 60GB or so. b) Any other comments? Thanks
Re: OT: Laptop advice. SSD costs.
Oliver Peter li...@peter.de.com wrote: I don't think there is any SSD available that (1) can be fitted into an X40/X41, (2) is available in 64 GB or more, and (3) has reasonable performance for small random writes. KingSpec-1-8-IDE-SSD-MLC-64GB Indeed. Lenovo also has an SSD for the X40/X41 as replacement part FRU41W0736. This is a Samsung drive installed into a caddy with a ZIF to IDE adapter. They pop up from time to time on eBay for USD 200+. No idea about the performance regarding small files and That is the big question. Well, I just ordered one of the Lenovo drives. I'll see how that works out. -- Christian naddy Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de
Re: OT: Laptop advice. SSD costs.
Edd Barrett vex...@gmail.com wrote: I have located someone willing to sell me an X41 tablet at a very affordable price, however this is the model with the sucky hitachi disk. I have seen that you can get SSD adaptors for X41's and slap an SSD in there, Careful, even with an adapter you can only fit a drive with a PATA (IDE) interface, _not_ a SATA one. a) Is there anywhere you can get SSD's for cheaper than 100GBP. I only really need 60GB or so. The Mtron MSD-PATA3018 that is very popular for fitting into the X40/X41 only ships with 32 GB and is already at ~1.5 times that price. b) Any other comments? I don't think there is any SSD available that (1) can be fitted into an X40/X41, (2) is available in 64 GB or more, and (3) has reasonable performance for small random writes. It's frustrating as hell. -- Christian naddy Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de
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Hi, On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Dan Harnett dan...@harnett.name wrote: At least here, one could get a used X60 for the cost of the 128GB drive. Yes, I think this is my new plan. Would have been nice to have the tablet, but it's not essential. Thanks to all that replied. -- Best Regards Edd Barrett (Freelance software developer / technical writer / open-source developer) http://students.dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/ebarrett
Re: OT: Laptop advice. SSD costs.
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 02:37:39PM +, Christian Weisgerber wrote: Edd Barrett vex...@gmail.com wrote: ... b) Any other comments? I don't think there is any SSD available that (1) can be fitted into an X40/X41, (2) is available in 64 GB or more, and (3) has reasonable performance for small random writes. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KingSpec-1-8-IDE-SSD-MLC-64GB-work-in-IBM-X40-X41-X41T_W0QQitemZ370224035188QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDE_Elektronik_Computer_Computer_Festplatten?hash=item5633127574_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1229|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50 No idea about the performance regarding small files and and the sender looks dodgy[1] to me but the price seems to be alright. [1] NO TAXES OR IMPORT DUTIES IF YOU BUY FROM US AS THEY ARE MARKED AS GIFTS -- Oliver PETER email: oli...@peter.de.com ICQ# 113969174 I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe. -- Jango Fett
Re: OT: Laptop advice. SSD costs.
On Monday 14 September 2009 06:13:26 Edd Barrett wrote: Hi, As some of you may know, my beloved x31 thinkpad went pop last week and needs a new system board :( Not worth the effort in replacing. I have located someone willing to sell me an X41 tablet at a very affordable price, however this is the model with the sucky hitachi disk. I have seen that you can get SSD adaptors for X41's and slap an SSD in there, but I am not really sure if it is wise, as SSD disks seems to be rather expensive. My questions: a) Is there anywhere you can get SSD's for cheaper than 100GBP. I only really need 60GB or so. b) Any other comments? Thanks I read that you decided to get an x60 but I'm commenting on this anyway. SSDs are clearly the future. That is, in the future--not now. I've seen too many weird things with them, and there is one species of SSD that is sensitive to strong RF fields in the 30MHz - 70MHz range; they crash or do just plain strange things. Certainly there are SSDs that work just fine, but from the experiences of friends, I'd say they're at least 3 times more flaky than disks are. Intel had a recall on some earlier this summer, too. Disks are cheap, really cheap right now... --STeve Andre'
Re: OT: Laptop advice. SSD costs.
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:40:36PM -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: Certainly there are SSDs that work just fine, but from the experiences of friends, I'd say they're at least 3 times more flaky than disks are. Intel had a recall on some earlier this summer, too. Disks are cheap, really cheap right now... Disks for the X40/X41 are not at all cheap. These are a very rare breed, hence the discussion and frustration of many X40/X41 owners. -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net/
Re: OT: Laptop advice. SSD costs.
On Monday 14 September 2009 14:17:35 you wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:40:36PM -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: Certainly there are SSDs that work just fine, but from the experiences of friends, I'd say they're at least 3 times more flaky than disks are. Intel had a recall on some earlier this summer, too. Disks are cheap, really cheap right now... Disks for the X40/X41 are not at all cheap. These are a very rare breed, hence the discussion and frustration of many X40/X41 owners. Well, I stand corrected. The source I used to buy one doesn't have any more, and it seems that the price for a new 40G disk is on the order of $280, a significant increase from when I bought one. So that makes the SSDs more attractive. I'm still leery of them, though. --STeve Andre'
