Re: OpenBSD MetaStore: Distributed hosting?
Please guys, can we stop this fight over who does what and how to be accessible from where. In the interest of bringing peace back on misc@ I will extend the offer to host this on high capacity network if the community really want it. More then once the community always say, yes this is great, we need that, why don't we have this, and someone should do it! So far, each time this happened, it was more wind talks then anything else and never was pursue for real! With few exceptions to be fully honest to some really brave sole that actually step in here and contribute something! But in every case, the wind blow and then the leafs fall on the ground to leave empty trees that never see the spring again! If you really want it and if that is useful to some, I will offer to make it available to EVERYONE! But, please understand this! STOP bugging the project with these things, they do what they do best and they don't need this to improve our beloved OS! So trying to make that part of the official project is really waisting everyone times. And finally, no hardware company, or very few if you search the archive ever contribute back to the project, so if you think this might become a source of income for the project it's really an utopia! You want the project to get more income, well as far as I know, it's there: http://openbsd.org/donations.html Just give, to think you can setup something that will turn into a source of income and that the project will take under it's wing is having it's eyes close and not knowing that no one will step to actually do it and make it work and the dev's HAVE other things to do, nor do they are interested to do this! Don't forget, they do this OS for themselves and offer us the benefit to use it! They don't need a site providing supported hardware for them to see what they should use or have! For crying at loud! If they like some hardware and it's not working for them! How long do you think it will take them to make it work on it if really they want it, hmmm!!! Do you think they will even care about what's supported or not!!! Think about it for a few seconds and you will have your answer! Looked at the Sharp Zaurus C3000 PDAs It was a new CPU and OpenBSD wasn't design for it at all, but hey, they like that little box, so how long did it really take them!? If they want it, they don't need any of us to tell them what hardware it might work on! If they want it really badly, they will simply make it work for themselves!!! So, I am done. I really didn't want to fall into answering this tread, but here I did, shame on me for doing it! I will not answer more on this list either for this tread. If some of you want this moved, or hosted else where, or provide me the data to make it public, I will be more then happy to do so, but do it off list and lets stop this fight here please! Can we do that? I waisted way to much of everyone times already! Sorry for doing so! Now NO ONE have any reason to continue complaining about this anymore. You want this else where fully accessible, I make the offer to do it in the interest of peace! So, either put up of shut up!!! What will it be? Your move next! And lets take it off list please! Best regards, Daniel
Re: OpenBSD MetaStore: Distributed hosting?
Please take this off our lists. I am sure noone cares. Why block access to your website in an attempt to block spam? Spam harvesters? If so it's pointless, these lists are archived all over the net, your address is already out there. No, I just block netblocks because I don't care about any traffic from those countries, whose rich spectrum of bogosity is not entirely spam (though spam is a major part of it). Again, I've received enough bogus shit from these countries to not care anymore. Scorched Earth. It is _my network_, I am entitled to do this. Yet I have already said this, and grow tired of repeating myself. I have also already said that I do not intend to be the permanent sole host of this project, that it is subject to going away at any time if I cannot find another host for it, and that this is only one possible candidate solution to the problem of How to collect information about which OpenBSD hardware is supported, and how to make its purchase easier. You are entirely welcome to make _your_ _own_ solution to this problem and stick it out there if you would like. You may even use mine as a base, I will forward to you the work I have done so far and a dump of the database. I would recommend that distributed hosting be explored, however - this seems to solve _everybody's_ problem, keeping the inherent information-cleanliness of centralized control while obtaining the reliability and local convenience of a distributed network. It also causes people to not have any reason to be concerned with my network policies, and causes me to not have to worry about any innocents' being denied use of a resource they may find valuable. Perhaps I misunderstood you, was this an offer to host a copy? It's ironic that much of the hardware you're promoting is likely made in the same shitholes that should be nuked from orbit. Sounds like you need an enema. Great, they can make all the hardware they want. I still don't want to receive their network traffic. The hardware is good, sort of. The network traffic isn't. Clear? Again: Was this an offer to host a copy of the MetaStore? -- (c) 2005 Unscathed Haze via Central Plexus [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am Chaos. I am alive, and I tell you that you are Free. -Eris Big Brother is watching you. Learn to become Invisible. | Your message must be this wide to ride the Internet. |
Re: OpenBSD MetaStore: Distributed hosting?
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:43:11 -0800, Szechuan Death [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason Dixon wrote: snip self-serving vitriol Good luck with that MetaStore thing. I'm sure it's going to be a huge success. Thank you, although the goal is not that it be a success for me, but rather that it will provide useful information to OpenBSD users and assistance to the OpenBSD development team in negotiating with vendors. ..this is coming from a person with an alias like yours, a visceral and vile content and the fact that no one bloody cares! Honestly mate, how the bloody hell do you get so much time? -Bruno
Re: OpenBSD MetaStore: Distributed hosting?
A brief recap of the Which SATA controller to purchase thread, OpenBSD Hardware Sales thread, and all the MetaStore threads: -user asks misc@ which hardware to purchase for OBSD 3.Y. The user wants to know how to match supported chipsets with actual products. -the list says, Gee, wouldn't it be swell if we had a system for tracking which hardware worked on a given OBSD release. Theo tells the list his time is too precious to waste building such a system (and I agree). He repeatedly says, You can do this. -SZECHUAN ACTUALLY DOES IT!! ( I think this the mythical Step 3: on /. ) -OBSD users nitpick the creator (and NOT the work) rather than help improve the resource. Despite repeated attempts to give his work to the community, Szechuan is persecuted for being a network admin fascist (which he is- the same goes for all of you who straight drop packets from Linux boxes). This whole situation is very sad. Without wasting the devs effort for a single line of code, a goose which is 80% of the way to laying golden eggs will get scrapped because few of you have even a shred of tact or grace. This MetaStore could be a very nice stream of revenue for the project (not to mention the untold satisfaction it will give when we can just post it's URL in response to stupid questions about hardware) if only everyone could put their egos aside and just use the resource and help. I am NOT saying the devs should waste any time working on this. I'm saying members of the community who have web dev experience (a few of you already stepped up in previous threads), should help polish off the store. The project should host it when it begins collecting revenue from referrals. Why can't we ALL win??
Re: OpenBSD MetaStore: Distributed hosting?
2005/10/22, Jurvis LaSalle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: snip I totally agree!
OpenBSD MetaStore: Distributed hosting?
Okay, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Having heard the whining about my apparently unpopular policy WRT netblocks in certain filthy, spammer-ridden Third World shitholes that should be nuked from orbit to protect the Internet from their miserable spams, SSH scans, and generally bogus traffic, and after searching my soul to determine that a) yes, I would like the OpenBSD Metastore to be visible to these unwashed masses even if they do harbor poorly-socialized wankers who abuse their (and my) bandwidth, and that b) no, I am not going to change my policy about which netblocks I accept traffic from, I have decided that a compromise may be in order. I'm in the process of registering a domain name for this little project. With a little judicious DNS cooking, the use of my much-maligned cb netblock script, and a little secret sauce, it will be possible to RR this and distribute the hosting with preferences established by country (from TW, the site will go to the Taiwanese hosted version, etc.), meaning that the only issue is finding other people to host mirrors of it. The problem is going to be synchronization of the database; I'm working on that. While kit updates will be centralized and pushed out, dealing with comments is going to be, uh, interesting. I may deal with that by simply refusing to do so, making comments local-only. Any suggestions about the best way to deal with that are welcome. ;- This has the side-effect of making localization somewhat easier, for those who want to track prices locally and/or make descriptions available in the local language. What about it? Anybody out there want to host a copy of this? You, Mr. Holop, since you've been the most vocal so far? How about Rod Lips Wankworth or whatever your name is? Any other detractors willing to donate some bandwidth? Since there are no single big pipes stepping up to the plate, it seems to me that something similar can be synthesized from a large number of small pipes, and that this may in fact be a superior solution. Reply to misc@, if you're from one of the Forgotten Lands I won't see it for the obvious reason. It'll take me a little while to figure out the best way to set this up in any event, so it's not going to be instant (give me a week or so to get my shit together and my code worked out). -- (c) 2005 Unscathed Haze via Central Plexus [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am Chaos. I am alive, and I tell you that you are Free. -Eris Big Brother is watching you. Learn to become Invisible. | Your message must be this wide to ride the Internet. |
Re: OpenBSD MetaStore: Distributed hosting?
On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 16:57:18 -0800, Szechuan Death proclaimed... Okay, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Having heard the whining about my apparently unpopular policy WRT netblocks in certain filthy, spammer-ridden Third World shitholes that should be nuked from orbit to protect the Internet from their miserable spams, SSH scans, and generally bogus traffic, Ah, but to someone else, it's not bogus traffic. To someone else, compromsing weak passwords is earning them a living. [snipped 58 other lines of bullshit]
Re: OpenBSD MetaStore: Distributed hosting?
Jason Dixon wrote: snip self-serving vitriol Good luck with that MetaStore thing. I'm sure it's going to be a huge success. Thank you, although the goal is not that it be a success for me, but rather that it will provide useful information to OpenBSD users and assistance to the OpenBSD development team in negotiating with vendors. I wish you luck in your endeavors as well. Again, if you would like to provide any information about hardware that can be purchased new, or suggestions about the design, feel free to submit them to me or post them via the Web form. Have a nice day! -- (c) 2005 Unscathed Haze via Central Plexus [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am Chaos. I am alive, and I tell you that you are Free. -Eris Big Brother is watching you. Learn to become Invisible. | Your message must be this wide to ride the Internet. |
