Re: 4.8 Release and Download and
I also heard it said once (though I'm sure I'll be corrected if wrong) that Theo's salary comes from CD purchases but not donations. Totally true. The CD sales are my income. Donations cannot be my income. Donations fund - the mini-hackathons (the big hackathon is handled by the OpenBSD Foundation) - travel for less fortunate developers to hackathons - some other small purchases So the only way to keep him employed full-time on OpenBSD is by buying the disks. True. So please keep buying them or I'll have to get get a different job :)
Re: 4.8 Release and Download and
Now I know what I'm getting my friends for Christmas. -- Jeremy Chase http://twitter.com/jeremychase On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: I also heard it said once (though I'm sure I'll be corrected if wrong) that Theo's salary comes from CD purchases but not donations. Totally true. B The CD sales are my income. B Donations cannot be my income. Donations fund B B B B - the mini-hackathons (the big hackathon is handled B B B B B by the OpenBSD Foundation) B B B B - travel for less fortunate developers to hackathons B B B B - some other small purchases So the only way to keep him employed full-time on OpenBSD is by buying the disks. True. So please keep buying them or I'll have to get get a different job :)
Re: 4.8 Release and Download and
Am 10.09.2010 03:12, schrieb J.C. Roberts: Personally, I buy the release CDs just for the stickers. ;) Me too :-) My guess is that I'll buy lots of stuff I don't really need at the EuroBSDCon next month... Cheers, Matthias
Re: 4.8 Release and Download and
On 2010-09-09, Keith ke...@scott-land.net wrote: I'd defiantly pay for 802.11G, hope that it's working in this release. ral0: flags=8847UP,BROADCAST,DEBUG,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 lladdr 00:22:43:14:9b:35 priority: 4 groups: wlan egress media: IEEE802.11 autoselect (OFDM54 mode 11g) status: active ral0 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 Ralink RT2790 rev 0x00: apic 4 int 18 (irq 11), address 00:22:43:14:9b:35 ral0: MAC/BBP RT2872 (rev 0x0200), RF RT2720 (MIMO 1T2R)
Re: 4.8 Release and Download and
I also heard it said once (though I'm sure I'll be corrected if wrong) that Theo's salary comes from CD purchases but not donations. So the only way to keep him employed full-time on OpenBSD is by buying the disks. -B On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:12 PM, J.C. Roberts j...@designtools.org wrote: On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:58:40 +0100 Keith ke...@scott-land.net wrote: Seeing that orders are being taken for the 4.8 release got me thinking about purchasing a copy, I don't need a copy on CD so just a download for my architecture would be fine. In the past I've sent a small donated to the project and was wondering if there's way that I could buy the right to download the OS before the official release. Personally I would happily pay the same as the full CD costs and probably some more to just download the OS and the project would save on the production of the CD and the postage. I'd defiantly pay for 802.11G, hope that it's working in this release. Keith Keith, It seems you're kind of missing the point. The developers *GIVE* the code away free to everyone. If you appreciate all the time, effort and expense the developers sink into giving away code for free, then the right answer is to try to give back to them in some way. Donations are always welcome. Some people work at companies where they use OpenBSD in their businesses. Since it's often impossible to get their companies to make a straight forward donation, instead they *BUY* a big stack of release CDs for their company. Of course, they don't actually need a big stack of CDs, but it was the only way the could get approval from the bosses. As for pre-ordering release CDs, yes, the discs are often (but not always) delivered before the official release date. Of course, until the actual release date when the CVS and package mirrors open up to public access, having the CDs early really doesn't give you much of a head start. Some people don't want stacks and stacks of CDs around, so instead of ordering release CDs, the order T-Shirts, posters or best of all, just make donations to give back to the project and developers who give them so much. Personally, I buy the release CDs just for the stickers. ;) Either way, release CD sales and donations really do help to fund continued development of OpenBSD. jcr -- The OpenBSD Journal - http://www.undeadly.org
Re: 4.8 Release and Download and
Bryan, Thanks for that thought(I am still skeptical); it got me off my butt to order a CD set. Thanks everyone! Jeremy On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Bryan Irvine sparcta...@gmail.com wrote: I also heard it said once (though I'm sure I'll be corrected if wrong) that Theo's salary comes from CD purchases but not donations. So the only way to keep him employed full-time on OpenBSD is by buying the disks. -B On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:12 PM, J.C. Roberts j...@designtools.org wrote: On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:58:40 +0100 Keith ke...@scott-land.net wrote: Seeing that orders are being taken for the 4.8 release got me thinking about purchasing a copy, I don't need a copy on CD so just a download for my architecture would be fine. In the past I've sent a small donated to the project and was wondering if there's way that I could buy the right to download the OS before the official release. Personally I would happily pay the same as the full CD costs and probably some more to just download the OS and the project would save on the production of the CD and the postage. I'd defiantly pay for 802.11G, hope that it's working in this release. Keith Keith, It seems you're kind of missing the point. The developers *GIVE* the code away free to everyone. If you appreciate all the time, effort and expense the developers sink into giving away code for free, then the right answer is to try to give back to them in some way. Donations are always welcome. Some people work at companies where they use OpenBSD in their businesses. Since it's often impossible to get their companies to make a straight forward donation, instead they *BUY* a big stack of release CDs for their company. Of course, they don't actually need a big stack of CDs, but it was the only way the could get approval from the bosses. As for pre-ordering release CDs, yes, the discs are often (but not always) delivered before the official release date. Of course, until the actual release date when the CVS and package mirrors open up to public access, having the CDs early really doesn't give you much of a head start. Some people don't want stacks and stacks of CDs around, so instead of ordering release CDs, the order T-Shirts, posters or best of all, just make donations to give back to the project and developers who give them so much. Personally, I buy the release CDs just for the stickers. ;) Either way, release CD sales and donations really do help to fund continued development of OpenBSD. jcr -- The OpenBSD Journal - http://www.undeadly.org
Re: 4.8 Release and Download and
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:19:16 -0700 Bryan Irvine sparcta...@gmail.com wrote: I also heard it said once (though I'm sure I'll be corrected if wrong) that Theo's salary comes from CD purchases but not donations. So the only way to keep him employed full-time on OpenBSD is by buying the disks. -B Curiosity is only human, but to respect the privacy of others, sometimes it must be curtailed. I do possess a very vivid imagination, and worse, a truly caustic sense of humor, so should I start publicly and wildly speculating about how *you* make a living? The result might be very entertaining for some, but it wouldn't be very polite or fair to you. jcr -- The OpenBSD Journal - http://www.undeadly.org
Re: 4.8 Release and Download and
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 4:22 PM, J.C. Roberts j...@designtools.org wrote: On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:19:16 -0700 Bryan Irvine sparcta...@gmail.com wrote: I also heard it said once (though I'm sure I'll be corrected if wrong) that Theo's salary comes from CD purchases but not donations. So the only way to keep him employed full-time on OpenBSD is by buying the disks. -B Curiosity is only human, but to respect the privacy of others, sometimes it must be curtailed. Agreed...though I'm confused about the point you're making. I do possess a very vivid imagination, and worse, a truly caustic sense of humor, so should I start publicly and wildly speculating about how *you* make a living? Naturally you are always free to do so. The result might be very entertaining for some, but it wouldn't be very polite or fair to you. Maybe so, but I've not said anything he himself has not said in public. http://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg74265.html It seemed to me that it was being suggested to skip buying the CD and making a donation was a good idea. I'm merely pointing out that in order to keep Theo's significant other happy (which certainly benefits us all I'm sure ;-) a CD purchase would still be appropriate. -B
Re: 4.8 Release and Download and
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 16:46:52 -0700 Bryan Irvine sparcta...@gmail.com wrote: Curiosity is only human, but to respect the privacy of others, sometimes it must be curtailed. Agreed...though I'm confused about the point you're making. The point is, in at least some places/cultures it's impolite to either ask or speculate about another person's income, particularly in an open public forum. Just because Theo has occasionally divulged *some* information about project and/or his finances doesn't mean he's obligated to provide any further details. The posts you linked to were made during a really tough situation, but worse, uninformed people were speculating wildly. Being curious which is better, buying CDs or making donations, is completely normal, but even if you politely asked Theo in private, you might not get an answer. Even if you got an answer, it might not be what you expect... --My all time favorite answer from Theo was: The choice is yours. It actually makes a lot of sense. ;-) jcr -- The OpenBSD Journal - http://www.undeadly.org
Re: 4.8 Release and Download and
On 09/10/10 18:22, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:19:16 -0700 Bryan Irvinesparcta...@gmail.com wrote: I also heard it said once (though I'm sure I'll be corrected if wrong) that Theo's salary comes from CD purchases but not donations. So the only way to keep him employed full-time on OpenBSD is by buying the disks. i read the weekly world news and i also heard that the loch ness monster farted on a tourist boat http://books.google.com/books?id=aPMDMBAJpg=PA9lpg=PA9dq=nessie+has+child+weekly+worldsource=blots=d1cUi84SrFsig=MJ_cbzvZf51AfcjdVaSg5eVcoO8hl=enei=wcyKTIveGsapngeaqLCuCwsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=2ved=0CBYQ6AEwAQ (though i'm sure i'll be corrected if wrong). you better buy the cds or you will the face the wrath of nessie. -B Curiosity is only human, but to respect the privacy of others, sometimes it must be curtailed. I do possess a very vivid imagination, and worse, a truly caustic sense of humor, so should I start publicly and wildly speculating about how *you* make a living? The result might be very entertaining for some, but it wouldn't be very polite or fair to you. jcr -- The OpenBSD Journal - http://www.undeadly.org
Re: 4.8 Release and Download and
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:58:40 +0100 Keith ke...@scott-land.net wrote: Seeing that orders are being taken for the 4.8 release got me thinking about purchasing a copy, I don't need a copy on CD so just a download for my architecture would be fine. In the past I've sent a small donated to the project and was wondering if there's way that I could buy the right to download the OS before the official release. Personally I would happily pay the same as the full CD costs and probably some more to just download the OS and the project would save on the production of the CD and the postage. I'd defiantly pay for 802.11G, hope that it's working in this release. Keith Keith, It seems you're kind of missing the point. The developers *GIVE* the code away free to everyone. If you appreciate all the time, effort and expense the developers sink into giving away code for free, then the right answer is to try to give back to them in some way. Donations are always welcome. Some people work at companies where they use OpenBSD in their businesses. Since it's often impossible to get their companies to make a straight forward donation, instead they *BUY* a big stack of release CDs for their company. Of course, they don't actually need a big stack of CDs, but it was the only way the could get approval from the bosses. As for pre-ordering release CDs, yes, the discs are often (but not always) delivered before the official release date. Of course, until the actual release date when the CVS and package mirrors open up to public access, having the CDs early really doesn't give you much of a head start. Some people don't want stacks and stacks of CDs around, so instead of ordering release CDs, the order T-Shirts, posters or best of all, just make donations to give back to the project and developers who give them so much. Personally, I buy the release CDs just for the stickers. ;) Either way, release CD sales and donations really do help to fund continued development of OpenBSD. jcr -- The OpenBSD Journal - http://www.undeadly.org
Re: 4.8 Release and Download and
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 12:58:40AM +0100, Keith wrote: Seeing that orders are being taken for the 4.8 release got me thinking about purchasing a copy, I don't need a copy on CD so just a download for my architecture would be fine. In the past I've sent a small donated to the project and was wondering if there's way that I could buy the right to download the OS before the official release. In reality, you already can; at no point is there code that's being held out for the CD release that isn't already in cvs; grabiing a -current snapshot from a period of time reasonably near the tree unlock that happens each cycle should be close enough for anything that doesn't require soothing some sort of OCD. Personally I would happily pay the same as the full CD costs and probably some more to just download the OS and the project would save on the production of the CD and the postage. I'd defiantly pay for 802.11G, hope that it's working in this release. Keith
