Re: Minimum viable HW for OpenBSD
Nice :) but rather thanks to j...@carnat.net Peter J. Philipp ezt írta (időpont: 2024. ápr. 8., Hét 19:05): > Hi, > > I lost the thread in my mutt, so I'm hoping marc.info will adjust it in > there, > the thread is here: > https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc=171059471410619=2 > > Thank you Gabor Nagy! Here is my RPI zero 2W(H) with working wifi in > hostap > mode, and hopefully working GPIO's I'm going to be studying those closer in > the future when I have some time. > > https://mainrechner.de/P4080036.JPG <-- on my tarot table > > Best Regards, > -pjp > > -- > my associated domains: callpeter.tel|centroid.eu|dtschland.eu| > mainrechner.de > >
Re: Minimum viable HW for OpenBSD
Hi, I lost the thread in my mutt, so I'm hoping marc.info will adjust it in there, the thread is here: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc=171059471410619=2 Thank you Gabor Nagy! Here is my RPI zero 2W(H) with working wifi in hostap mode, and hopefully working GPIO's I'm going to be studying those closer in the future when I have some time. https://mainrechner.de/P4080036.JPG <-- on my tarot table Best Regards, -pjp -- my associated domains: callpeter.tel|centroid.eu|dtschland.eu|mainrechner.de
Re: Minimum viable HW for OpenBSD
On 3/30/24 14:18, Peter J. Philipp wrote: PS: I'll probably do this next week I have a need for different hardware in my 9U rackmount cabinet. And one particular one needs powercycles (and possibly console) as well. It's the mango pi, which is currently in panic mode most likely or it's hung up, I was building ports on it and the 100 Mbit connection went down. Hi, I rebooted the mango pi, btw and I've enabled the watchdogd, hoping it will work. It's awesome that sxidog(4) configures on these! Best, -pjp
Re: Minimum viable HW for OpenBSD
On 3/16/24 14:32, Peter J. Philipp wrote: On 3/16/24 14:10, Gabor Nagy wrote: hello, maybe? Running OpenBSD on Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W https://www.tumfatig.net/2023/running-openbsd-on-raspberry-pi-zero-2-w/ This is incredible! I have a zero 2W somewhere, though I put it into a GPI case. The drawback with the GPI case is it will not boot with batteries, because it's really made for the zero 1W, so it's bonded to the USB power cable. I'm gonna try putting this on! Thank you in advance. The GPI case uses a LCD display (It's the gameboy) do you know any BSD drivers for this? Best Regards, -pjp I have another use for this RPI Zero 2W, I want to make it a remote power switch for 5x USB and 3x 220V AC. I once purchased this (for another project and I think I'll reuse this): https://www.waveshare.com/catalog/product/view/id/3616/s/rpi-relay-board-b/category/37/ My question then is... would I have any problems with the GPIO controls with OpenBSD on RPI zero 2W? Otherwise I'll have to make it another OS. Best Regards, -pjp PS: I'll probably do this next week I have a need for different hardware in my 9U rackmount cabinet. And one particular one needs powercycles (and possibly console) as well. It's the mango pi, which is currently in panic mode most likely or it's hung up, I was building ports on it and the 100 Mbit connection went down. Olaf Schreck ezt írta (időpont: 2024. márc. 15., P, 23:43): > Could you point out a hardware for this kind of use-case? I would liek to have something smaller than a regular-Pi SBC. I'm still playing with this kind of stuff. Good luck on your journey, but it will be a rough ride. You already mentioned some issues. I have/had a pair of Raspberry 3B and also a pair of Pine64 SBCs, running OpenBSD 7.x and CARP failover for experimental things. Working, but not as reliable as I would like. You seem to aim at even smaller boards like that, and newer ones should match the specs of Raspi3B or Pine64. However: - there is no fine "sysupgrade" for these platforms, so you need to reinstall every time - which means fiddling with non-OpenBSD "uboot" and EFI definition files - consider creating a network boot infrastructure - these devices are very sensitive to power voltage instabilities, triggering spontaneous reboots. You may want to run them from stable USB power source - I doubt this can be reasonably battery-powered, over longer time periods - storage like SD-card or eMMS draw extra power during operation, writes may be unreliable during voltage drops - storage like SD-card or eMMS will wear out and die hard, sooner or later - Wifi hardware may not be supported - RS232 serial usually provided (and working) by bus pinout, but you need to add a FTDI232 or CH340 adapter That said, I'd like to hear about it if you find interesting hardware :) Olaf -- Over thirty years experience on UNIX-like Operating Systems starting with QNX. -- Over thirty years experience on UNIX-like Operating Systems starting with QNX.
Re: Minimum viable HW for OpenBSD
On 3/16/24 14:10, Gabor Nagy wrote: hello, maybe? Running OpenBSD on Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W https://www.tumfatig.net/2023/running-openbsd-on-raspberry-pi-zero-2-w/ This is incredible! I have a zero 2W somewhere, though I put it into a GPI case. The drawback with the GPI case is it will not boot with batteries, because it's really made for the zero 1W, so it's bonded to the USB power cable. I'm gonna try putting this on! Thank you in advance. The GPI case uses a LCD display (It's the gameboy) do you know any BSD drivers for this? Best Regards, -pjp Olaf Schreck ezt írta (időpont: 2024. márc. 15., P, 23:43): > Could you point out a hardware for this kind of use-case? I would liek to have something smaller than a regular-Pi SBC. I'm still playing with this kind of stuff. Good luck on your journey, but it will be a rough ride. You already mentioned some issues. I have/had a pair of Raspberry 3B and also a pair of Pine64 SBCs, running OpenBSD 7.x and CARP failover for experimental things. Working, but not as reliable as I would like. You seem to aim at even smaller boards like that, and newer ones should match the specs of Raspi3B or Pine64. However: - there is no fine "sysupgrade" for these platforms, so you need to reinstall every time - which means fiddling with non-OpenBSD "uboot" and EFI definition files - consider creating a network boot infrastructure - these devices are very sensitive to power voltage instabilities, triggering spontaneous reboots. You may want to run them from stable USB power source - I doubt this can be reasonably battery-powered, over longer time periods - storage like SD-card or eMMS draw extra power during operation, writes may be unreliable during voltage drops - storage like SD-card or eMMS will wear out and die hard, sooner or later - Wifi hardware may not be supported - RS232 serial usually provided (and working) by bus pinout, but you need to add a FTDI232 or CH340 adapter That said, I'd like to hear about it if you find interesting hardware :) Olaf -- Over thirty years experience on UNIX-like Operating Systems starting with QNX.
Re: Minimum viable HW for OpenBSD
hello, maybe? Running OpenBSD on Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W https://www.tumfatig.net/2023/running-openbsd-on-raspberry-pi-zero-2-w/ Olaf Schreck ezt írta (időpont: 2024. márc. 15., P, 23:43): > > Could you point out a hardware for this kind of use-case? I would liek > to have something smaller than a regular-Pi SBC. > > I'm still playing with this kind of stuff. Good luck on your journey, but > it will be a rough ride. You already mentioned some issues. > > I have/had a pair of Raspberry 3B and also a pair of Pine64 SBCs, running > OpenBSD 7.x and CARP failover for experimental things. Working, but not as > reliable as I would like. > > You seem to aim at even smaller boards like that, and newer ones should > match > the specs of Raspi3B or Pine64. However: > > - there is no fine "sysupgrade" for these platforms, so you need to > reinstall > every time > - which means fiddling with non-OpenBSD "uboot" and EFI definition files > - consider creating a network boot infrastructure > - these devices are very sensitive to power voltage instabilities, > triggering > spontaneous reboots. You may want to run them from stable USB power > source > - I doubt this can be reasonably battery-powered, over longer time periods > - storage like SD-card or eMMS draw extra power during operation, writes > may > be unreliable during voltage drops > - storage like SD-card or eMMS will wear out and die hard, sooner or later > - Wifi hardware may not be supported > - RS232 serial usually provided (and working) by bus pinout, but you need > to > add a FTDI232 or CH340 adapter > > That said, I'd like to hear about it if you find interesting hardware :) > > Olaf > >
Re: Minimum viable HW for OpenBSD
> Could you point out a hardware for this kind of use-case? I would liek to > have something smaller than a regular-Pi SBC. I'm still playing with this kind of stuff. Good luck on your journey, but it will be a rough ride. You already mentioned some issues. I have/had a pair of Raspberry 3B and also a pair of Pine64 SBCs, running OpenBSD 7.x and CARP failover for experimental things. Working, but not as reliable as I would like. You seem to aim at even smaller boards like that, and newer ones should match the specs of Raspi3B or Pine64. However: - there is no fine "sysupgrade" for these platforms, so you need to reinstall every time - which means fiddling with non-OpenBSD "uboot" and EFI definition files - consider creating a network boot infrastructure - these devices are very sensitive to power voltage instabilities, triggering spontaneous reboots. You may want to run them from stable USB power source - I doubt this can be reasonably battery-powered, over longer time periods - storage like SD-card or eMMS draw extra power during operation, writes may be unreliable during voltage drops - storage like SD-card or eMMS will wear out and die hard, sooner or later - Wifi hardware may not be supported - RS232 serial usually provided (and working) by bus pinout, but you need to add a FTDI232 or CH340 adapter That said, I'd like to hear about it if you find interesting hardware :) Olaf
Re: Minimum viable HW for OpenBSD
Hi Claudio, Thanks for the hint, I have researched the listed boards already, but havent found the ideal board. I consider arm64 boards as generic computers if one have the skills to solve the unavoidable issues, but i dont have those skills. So i keep looking. Nevertheless: let me know if you happen to work on a board, which could be interesting for me. Regards, --ext 2024. márc. 15. 15:13:58 Claudio Miranda : > Supported hardware information is listed here: > https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html > > Each platform's link provides further information. > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 9:44 AM Mizsei Zoltán wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I'd like to build a small, portable system, not entirely different from a so >> called "cyberdeck". For this project I am actively looking for the minimum >> viable HW which supports OBSD. I would like to get some hints, as so far I >> was unable to find the perfect hw (maybe it doesn't even exists). >> >> My requirements are: >> - low power consumption (battery powered) >> - small in sizez >> - ARM / ARM64 / RISC-V or something else >> - CLI >> - UART >> - USB >> - WiFi (ideally integrated, but can be usb attached aswell) >> - replaceable storage (SD card, or similar) >> - ideally some onboard storage (eMMC?) >> - and ideally some kind of supported display output >> >> I would like to either reuse the enclosure of a small handheld device which >> have a display and a keyboard or print an own one and source some >> off-the-shelf components and get them somehow working together. >> >> I was looking at minimum viable computing and found RetroBSD/DiscoBSD [1,2], >> they are BSD 2.x ports for various microcontrollers (100+ Mhz, 1-2MB RAM), >> but they can't realistically support me in the modern world (USB, WiFi). >> >> I have also considered the various SBCs in "Zero" and "Nano" form-factor, >> but i was unable to find any which won't cause me headache with the >> non-upstreamed FDT [3], or they aren't fully supported yet by OBSD, or it is >> impossible to source them anymore, or the bootloader is some vendored fork, >> which a burden to update, etc. >> >> I was looking at Crystal Kolipe's article-series [4] regarding the >> PinePhone, but the screen is not yet usable AFAIK... >> >> Could you point out a hardware for this kind of use-case? I would liek to >> have something smaller than a regular-Pi SBC. >> >> Thank You very much! >> >> [1] https://github.com/RetroBSD/retrobsd/ >> [2] https://github.com/chettrick/discobsd/ >> [3] https://www.geniatech.com/product/xpi-3566-zero/ >> [4] https://research.exoticsilicon.com/series/pinephone_openbsd/part_1/ >> >> --Z-- >>
Re: Minimum viable HW for OpenBSD
Supported hardware information is listed here: https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html Each platform's link provides further information. On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 9:44 AM Mizsei Zoltán wrote: > > Hi, > > I'd like to build a small, portable system, not entirely different from a so > called "cyberdeck". For this project I am actively looking for the minimum > viable HW which supports OBSD. I would like to get some hints, as so far I > was unable to find the perfect hw (maybe it doesn't even exists). > > My requirements are: > - low power consumption (battery powered) > - small in sizez > - ARM / ARM64 / RISC-V or something else > - CLI > - UART > - USB > - WiFi (ideally integrated, but can be usb attached aswell) > - replaceable storage (SD card, or similar) > - ideally some onboard storage (eMMC?) > - and ideally some kind of supported display output > > I would like to either reuse the enclosure of a small handheld device which > have a display and a keyboard or print an own one and source some > off-the-shelf components and get them somehow working together. > > I was looking at minimum viable computing and found RetroBSD/DiscoBSD [1,2], > they are BSD 2.x ports for various microcontrollers (100+ Mhz, 1-2MB RAM), > but they can't realistically support me in the modern world (USB, WiFi). > > I have also considered the various SBCs in "Zero" and "Nano" form-factor, but > i was unable to find any which won't cause me headache with the > non-upstreamed FDT [3], or they aren't fully supported yet by OBSD, or it is > impossible to source them anymore, or the bootloader is some vendored fork, > which a burden to update, etc. > > I was looking at Crystal Kolipe's article-series [4] regarding the PinePhone, > but the screen is not yet usable AFAIK... > > Could you point out a hardware for this kind of use-case? I would liek to > have something smaller than a regular-Pi SBC. > > Thank You very much! > > [1] https://github.com/RetroBSD/retrobsd/ > [2] https://github.com/chettrick/discobsd/ > [3] https://www.geniatech.com/product/xpi-3566-zero/ > [4] https://research.exoticsilicon.com/series/pinephone_openbsd/part_1/ > > --Z-- >
