Re: Seeking opinion about OpenBSD
1) Buy a supported video card 2) Contact nvidia to let them know why you did so 3) profit! CPU - AMD Athlon64 X2 AM2 512Kx2 3,800 Mobo - ASUS M2N-E with onboard NIC, nVidia chipsets Vedio Card - ASUS EN7600 with nVidia chipsets I have been searching around for a 64 bit OS to run as server. The OS will be easy to install, rigid and w/o driver problem. In the last 3 weeks I have been testing 64 bit FreeBSD 6.2, archlinux 0.8, slamd64 11.0, CentOS 4.4, etc. All of them have nvidia driver problem, FreeBSD being the worst.
Re: Seeking opinion about OpenBSD
On Mar 18, 2007, at 10:08 AM, satimis wrote: Hi folks, CPU - AMD Athlon64 X2 AM2 512Kx2 3,800 Mobo - ASUS M2N-E with onboard NIC, nVidia chipsets Vedio Card - ASUS EN7600 with nVidia chipsets I have been searching around for a 64 bit OS to run as server. The OS will be easy to install, rigid and w/o driver problem. In the last 3 weeks I have been testing 64 bit FreeBSD 6.2, archlinux 0.8, slamd64 11.0, CentOS 4.4, etc. All of them have nvidia driver problem, FreeBSD being the worst. I'll install X and Xfce-4.2 as desktop. They won't start at boot. The only reason for me retaining X is for communication via Internet. I'm not feeling comfortable on running text browse such as Elinks, etc. Also on Internet browsing the websites complain requesting me to run GUI browser. Please advise will OpenBSD serve my need. TIA OpenBSD helps those who help themselves. http://www.openbsd.org/amd64.html Your best option is to download a copy of cd40.iso from one of the FTP mirrors and boot up the install process. Choose the shell option and run 'dmesg' to see if all of your hardware is supported (compare against the supported hardware list in the aforementioned link). If it is, go ahead and complete the installation and then purchase a real CD from the project. Installation Guide - http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html OpenBSD Store - http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net
Re: Seeking opinion about OpenBSD
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 07:08:16 -0700 (PDT) satimis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, CPU - AMD Athlon64 X2 AM2 512Kx2 3,800 Mobo - ASUS M2N-E with onboard NIC, nVidia chipsets Vedio Card - ASUS EN7600 with nVidia chipsets I have been searching around for a 64 bit OS to run as server. The OS will be easy to install, rigid and w/o driver problem. In the last 3 weeks I have been testing 64 bit FreeBSD 6.2, archlinux 0.8, slamd64 11.0, CentOS 4.4, etc. All of them have nvidia driver problem, FreeBSD being the worst. I'll install X and Xfce-4.2 as desktop. They won't start at boot. The only reason for me retaining X is for communication via Internet. I'm not feeling comfortable on running text browse such as Elinks, etc. Also on Internet browsing the websites complain requesting me to run GUI browser. Please advise will OpenBSD serve my need. TIA B.R. satimis i have a similar setup here serving me as a low energy personal file, email server and misc task machine (i have an Athlon64 AM2 3800+ EE SFF with 35 Watt power drawing maximum, and 2GByte Kingston ECC DDR2 RAM). the first i did was to disable the onboard NIC (nVidia crap) of my ASUS M2NPV-VM and put an intel-based board into that machine. honestly, this was the also last thing i did. the machine runs an amd64 snapshot of 4.1 Beta very happily. HTH, timo
Re: Seeking opinion about OpenBSD
If you need 3D graphics acceleration, no. But for a server I don't see why would you need so, can you specify any particular need for 3D acceleration? 2007/3/19, Jason Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mar 18, 2007, at 10:08 AM, satimis wrote: Hi folks, CPU - AMD Athlon64 X2 AM2 512Kx2 3,800 Mobo - ASUS M2N-E with onboard NIC, nVidia chipsets Vedio Card - ASUS EN7600 with nVidia chipsets I have been searching around for a 64 bit OS to run as server. The OS will be easy to install, rigid and w/o driver problem. In the last 3 weeks I have been testing 64 bit FreeBSD 6.2, archlinux 0.8, slamd64 11.0, CentOS 4.4, etc. All of them have nvidia driver problem, FreeBSD being the worst. I'll install X and Xfce-4.2 as desktop. They won't start at boot. The only reason for me retaining X is for communication via Internet. I'm not feeling comfortable on running text browse such as Elinks, etc. Also on Internet browsing the websites complain requesting me to run GUI browser. Please advise will OpenBSD serve my need. TIA OpenBSD helps those who help themselves. http://www.openbsd.org/amd64.html Your best option is to download a copy of cd40.iso from one of the FTP mirrors and boot up the install process. Choose the shell option and run 'dmesg' to see if all of your hardware is supported (compare against the supported hardware list in the aforementioned link). If it is, go ahead and complete the installation and then purchase a real CD from the project. Installation Guide - http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html OpenBSD Store - http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
Re: Seeking opinion about OpenBSD
Well then you could try OpenBSD with nv driver and see if that works for you... You know how to configure X with xorg.conf, right? As for font size, you could change them in xfce-settings, right? Have you attempted doing so in all the systems that you have tried? 2007/3/19, Stephen Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Sunnz, If you need 3D graphics acceleration, no. But for a server I don't see why would you need so, can you specify any particular need for 3D acceleration? No I don't need. Neither I do graphic editing on server. I can tolerate running X on incorrect resolution. My only problem was the fonts on desktop being too tiny to read. I can't adjust them. B.R. Stephen 2007/3/19, Jason Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mar 18, 2007, at 10:08 AM, satimis wrote: Hi folks, CPU - AMD Athlon64 X2 AM2 512Kx2 3,800 Mobo - ASUS M2N-E with onboard NIC, nVidia chipsets Vedio Card - ASUS EN7600 with nVidia chipsets I have been searching around for a 64 bit OS to run as server. The OS will be easy to install, rigid and w/o driver problem. In the last 3 weeks I have been testing 64 bit FreeBSD 6.2, archlinux 0.8, slamd64 11.0, CentOS 4.4, etc. All of them have nvidia driver problem, FreeBSD being the worst. I'll install X and Xfce-4.2 as desktop. They won't start at boot. The only reason for me retaining X is for communication via Internet. I'm not feeling comfortable on running text browse such as Elinks, etc. Also on Internet browsing the websites complain requesting me to run GUI browser. Please advise will OpenBSD serve my need. TIA OpenBSD helps those who help themselves. http://www.openbsd.org/amd64.html Your best option is to download a copy of cd40.iso from one of the FTP mirrors and boot up the install process. Choose the shell option and run 'dmesg' to see if all of your hardware is supported (compare against the supported hardware list in the aforementioned link). If it is, go ahead and complete the installation and then purchase a real CD from the project. Installation Guide - http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html OpenBSD Store - http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
Re: Seeking opinion about OpenBSD
Hi Albert, 1) Buy a supported video card I have no idea which chipset has no problem. 2) Contact nvidia to let them know why you did so I don't think nvidia w/o knowledge of the driver problem on FreeBSD Pls refer to; http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=41545page=15 and http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=82203 64 bit FC6 and Ubuntu don't have nvidia driver problem. I have 64bit FC6 box here running on ASUS motherboard with onboard NIC and nvidia chipset. NIC works and my Philips Monitor, Brilliance 200WP7, displays correct resolution. I tested 64bit Ubuntu before working without problem. B.R. Stephen Liu 3) profit! CPU - AMD Athlon64 X2 AM2 512Kx2 3,800 Mobo - ASUS M2N-E with onboard NIC, nVidia chipsets Vedio Card - ASUS EN7600 with nVidia chipsets I have been searching around for a 64 bit OS to run as server. The OS will be easy to install, rigid and w/o driver problem. In the last 3 weeks I have been testing 64 bit FreeBSD 6.2, archlinux 0.8, slamd64 11.0, CentOS 4.4, etc. All of them have nvidia driver problem, FreeBSD being the worst. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: Seeking opinion about OpenBSD
Hi Sunnz, Well then you could try OpenBSD with nv driver and see if that works for you... I tried nv driver on slamd64 before. It did not work. Anyway I'll try it on OpenBSD. Is OpenBSD LiveCD available? You know how to configure X with xorg.conf, right? No problem. I did a lot of manual-editing on xorg.conf in the last 3 weeks As for font size, you could change them in xfce-settings, right? Have you attempted doing so in all the systems that you have tried? No I can't change the font size on Xfce-4.2. I installed Xfce-4.2 on all OS tested previously. I only need changing the font size on Terminal as well as the URL box on Firefox. They were too tiny to read. I can adjust font sizes on Firefox via preferences except the font size on its URL box. I think maybe I can adjust it via gtk. I did it before but w/o a good recollection. Another problem running Xfce-4.2 is no default text editor. Maybe I have to download mousepad on Internet if I can't find it on repo. Xfce-4.2 has OO installed but it is not convenient to run it for editing text. B.R. Stephen 2007/3/19, Stephen Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Sunnz, If you need 3D graphics acceleration, no. But for a server I don't see why would you need so, can you specify any particular need for 3D acceleration? No I don't need. Neither I do graphic editing on server. I can tolerate running X on incorrect resolution. My only problem was the fonts on desktop being too tiny to read. I can't adjust them. B.R. Stephen 2007/3/19, Jason Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mar 18, 2007, at 10:08 AM, satimis wrote: Hi folks, CPU - AMD Athlon64 X2 AM2 512Kx2 3,800 Mobo - ASUS M2N-E with onboard NIC, nVidia chipsets Vedio Card - ASUS EN7600 with nVidia chipsets I have been searching around for a 64 bit OS to run as server. The OS will be easy to install, rigid and w/o driver problem. In the last 3 weeks I have been testing 64 bit FreeBSD 6.2, archlinux 0.8, slamd64 11.0, CentOS 4.4, etc. All of them have nvidia driver problem, FreeBSD being the worst. I'll install X and Xfce-4.2 as desktop. They won't start at boot. The only reason for me retaining X is for communication via Internet. I'm not feeling comfortable on running text browse such as Elinks, etc. Also on Internet browsing the websites complain requesting me to run GUI browser. Please advise will OpenBSD serve my need. TIA OpenBSD helps those who help themselves. http://www.openbsd.org/amd64.html Your best option is to download a copy of cd40.iso from one of the FTP mirrors and boot up the install process. Choose the shell option and run 'dmesg' to see if all of your hardware is supported (compare against the supported hardware list in the aforementioned link). If it is, go ahead and complete the installation and then purchase a real CD from the project. Installation Guide - http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html OpenBSD Store - http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: Seeking opinion about OpenBSD
Hi Timo, Tks for your advice. - snip - i have a similar setup here serving me as a low energy personal file, email server and misc task machine (i have an Athlon64 AM2 3800+ EE SFF with 35 Watt power drawing maximum, and 2GByte Kingston ECC DDR2 RAM). the first i did was to disable the onboard NIC (nVidia crap) of my ASUS M2NPV-VM and put an intel-based board into that machine. I did the same plugging in a NIC with realtek chipset. It worked. Another problem on X still existed. Although I can run X on incorrect resolution because I don't do graphic editing on server. But the problem was the fonts on desktop being too tiny to read. I can't adjust them. B.R. Stephen Liu Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: Seeking opinion about OpenBSD
Hi Jason, Tks for your advice. - snip - Your best option is to download a copy of cd40.iso from one of the FTP mirrors and boot up the install process. Choose the shell option and run 'dmesg' to see if all of your hardware is supported (compare against the supported hardware list in the aforementioned link). If it is, go ahead and complete the installation and then purchase a real CD from the project. Installation Guide - http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html OpenBSD Store - http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html I'll try later. If OpenBSD LiveCD is availble it will be even more convenient for me. B.R. Stephen Liu Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: Seeking opinion about OpenBSD
Hi Sunnz, If you need 3D graphics acceleration, no. But for a server I don't see why would you need so, can you specify any particular need for 3D acceleration? No I don't need. Neither I do graphic editing on server. I can tolerate running X on incorrect resolution. My only problem was the fonts on desktop being too tiny to read. I can't adjust them. B.R. Stephen 2007/3/19, Jason Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mar 18, 2007, at 10:08 AM, satimis wrote: Hi folks, CPU - AMD Athlon64 X2 AM2 512Kx2 3,800 Mobo - ASUS M2N-E with onboard NIC, nVidia chipsets Vedio Card - ASUS EN7600 with nVidia chipsets I have been searching around for a 64 bit OS to run as server. The OS will be easy to install, rigid and w/o driver problem. In the last 3 weeks I have been testing 64 bit FreeBSD 6.2, archlinux 0.8, slamd64 11.0, CentOS 4.4, etc. All of them have nvidia driver problem, FreeBSD being the worst. I'll install X and Xfce-4.2 as desktop. They won't start at boot. The only reason for me retaining X is for communication via Internet. I'm not feeling comfortable on running text browse such as Elinks, etc. Also on Internet browsing the websites complain requesting me to run GUI browser. Please advise will OpenBSD serve my need. TIA OpenBSD helps those who help themselves. http://www.openbsd.org/amd64.html Your best option is to download a copy of cd40.iso from one of the FTP mirrors and boot up the install process. Choose the shell option and run 'dmesg' to see if all of your hardware is supported (compare against the supported hardware list in the aforementioned link). If it is, go ahead and complete the installation and then purchase a real CD from the project. Installation Guide - http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html OpenBSD Store - http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: Seeking opinion about OpenBSD
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 23:20:08 +0800 (CST) Stephen Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Timo, Tks for your advice. you're welcome :) - snip - i have a similar setup here serving me as a low energy personal file, email server and misc task machine (i have an Athlon64 AM2 3800+ EE SFF with 35 Watt power drawing maximum, and 2GByte Kingston ECC DDR2 RAM). the first i did was to disable the onboard NIC (nVidia crap) of my ASUS M2NPV-VM and put an intel-based board into that machine. I did the same plugging in a NIC with realtek chipset. It worked. Another problem on X still existed. Although I can run X on incorrect resolution because I don't do graphic editing on server. But the problem was the fonts on desktop being too tiny to read. I can't adjust them. did you try xorgconfig or xorgcfg? (i myself didn't even try to run X on that machine; i redirected console output to serial interface at installation time. my bet always is to install a good old Matrox card and be happy ;) B.R. Stephen Liu HTH, timo
Re: Seeking opinion about OpenBSD
On 3/18/07, Stephen Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sunnz, Well then you could try OpenBSD with nv driver and see if that works for you... I tried nv driver on slamd64 before. It did not work. Anyway I'll try it on OpenBSD. Is OpenBSD LiveCD available? OpenBSD doesn't do liveCDs. But as you've already been told, if you use the cd40.iso install disk you can check out what hardware is supported. Another problem running Xfce-4.2 is no default text editor. Maybe I have to download mousepad on Internet if I can't find it on repo. Xfce-4.2 has OO installed but it is not convenient to run it for editing text. There's vi(1) and mg(1). I don't think OpenBSD is for you. You have to want OpenBSD, OpenBSD doesn't have to want you. -Nick
Re: Seeking opinion about OpenBSD
Stephen Liu wrote: Hi Jason, Tks for your advice. - snip - Your best option is to download a copy of cd40.iso from one of the FTP mirrors and boot up the install process. Choose the shell option and run 'dmesg' to see if all of your hardware is supported (compare against the supported hardware list in the aforementioned link). If it is, go ahead and complete the installation and then purchase a real CD from the project. Installation Guide - http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html OpenBSD Store - http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html I'll try later. If OpenBSD LiveCD is availble it will be even more convenient for me. There are some unofficial OpenBSD live CDs, but they are based on quite old versions. http://g.paderni.free.fr/olivebsd/ http://kaos.to/cms/content/view/14/32/
Re: Seeking opinion about OpenBSD
On 3/18/07, Stephen Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried nv driver on slamd64 before. It did not work. Anyway I'll try it on OpenBSD. Is OpenBSD LiveCD available? http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46539 It's not official but maybe it'll help? Andrey
Re: Seeking opinion about OpenBSD
On 3/18/07, satimis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CPU - AMD Athlon64 X2 AM2 512Kx2 3,800 Mobo - ASUS M2N-E with onboard NIC, nVidia chipsets Vedio Card - ASUS EN7600 with nVidia chipsets I have been searching around for a 64 bit OS to run as server. [...] I'll install X and Xfce-4.2 as desktop. They won't start at boot. The only reason for me retaining X is for communication via Internet. Am I the only one to find this stupid ? Why should you need a browser in a server ? -T
Re: Seeking opinion about OpenBSD
Hi, On Sunday, 18. March 2007 19:00, Thomas Leveille wrote: Am I the only one to find this stupid ? Why should you need a browser in a server ? I sometimes depend on lynx to download stuff from sourceforge where no direct download link is supplied. regards, Tobias W.
Re: Seeking opinion about OpenBSD
On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 07:19:22PM +0100, Tobias Weisserth wrote: On Sunday, 18. March 2007 19:00, Thomas Leveille wrote: Am I the only one to find this stupid ? Why should you need a browser in a server ? I sometimes depend on lynx to download stuff from sourceforge where no direct download link is supplied. Yes, but in the part snipped, there was talk of X, Xfce, and so on. I suppose the correct question is 'why should you need X on a server'? (And even if you somehow needed X, why should you need a monitor!?) Joachim
Re: Seeking opinion about OpenBSD
Hi Tobias, On Sunday, 18. March 2007 19:00, Thomas Leveille wrote: Am I the only one to find this stupid ? Why should you need a browser in a server ? I sometimes depend on lynx to download stuff from sourceforge where no direct download link is supplied. I ran elinks, the text driver, before and finally I have to coming back to gui browser. Download is not a problem to me. I ran wget on Terminal to get the job done. Without X I can tunnel via SSH to a workstation to do installation and fine tuning a server, running the latter headless. But I have to run 2 PCs doing a single job. So my final solution is to have X and a lightweight deskstop such as Xfce, winframe, etc. installed on the server but without running them at boot. After finish I can erase all of them or just leaving them there, administrating the server via a workstation. B.R. Stephen Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
