FU: RE: Why is no one discussing this anymore?
zeur here. I now[0] see that a whole bunch of lists were Cc'd, and while I'm not sorry for not preserving the Ccs, I realize that you might not have been addressing us, misc@OpenBSD.org. I still think my point holds, though. This should be a matter of great concern for OpenBSD, like it is to just about every other project relying on licensed code, "open" or not. --zeur. [0] post-coffee-intake =) > This whole discussion is best served elsewhere. -- Friggin' Machines!
RE: Why is no one discussing this anymore?
zeur here. > This whole discussion is best served elsewhere. Yeah, comfortably away from an affected project, for sure! Remember what happened w/ ipf(4)? Now imagine peope getting angry at theo (not an uncommon thing, given his behaviour), and retaliating by revoking their license to crucial portions of kern_proc, or their port's locore? What if the drm(4) developers would suddenly throw a hissy fit and decree that it may only be used in lunix, or that it be placed under a restrictive license? The copyright on some code is helt by corporations (for-profit or otherwise) -- what if *THEY* decide to change their policy? These are real issues. --zeurkous. -- Friggin' Machines!
Re: Why is no one discussing this anymore?
What is going on here? It seems to me, that I have to stop using my lovely, my the best and my other such the words FreeBSD. Why should I stop? Because of theese stupid, totally political, totally bullshits! Does the FreeBSD dying under those "modern” tolerancy? It was the best system, I really love it. But, what the hell is going on here right now? Is it the end of FreeBSD? You really got ready to kill it on behalth to all this stupid tolerancy and other such the bullshit? But why? Just tell me, why should You like to kill Your the best for the worst? You are IT specialists. You are, probably, the only intelligence on this planet. May be, the only in Universe. What are You doing? Just ask Yourselfe, what are You doing right now. чт, 27 дек. 2018 г., 23:49 Bon Onlines bononli...@gmail.com: > Are you aware we are in the end of year holidays? I recommend you to > not call others as an idiot, as the only idiot here are you ;) > > On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:31 PM wrote: > > > > Why is no one discussing this anymore. > > > > It's like you just accepted the "NU UH U WRONG" proclamation from > > programmers. > > > > Are you idiots aware that programmers DO NOT KNOW THE LAW simply by > > virtue of being "smarts"? > > > > Are you idiots aware that I am a lawyer, I have studied the law, and I > > do know more than the programmers on this issue (note: I'm also a > > programmer too... but for something useful... like games :) ) > > > > Are you idiots aware that Eben Moglen (drafter of the GPLv3 (not 2, > > Linux is under 2)) has NOT made good on his pledge to publish a report > > on how I'm wrong and let me "correct" him where he got it wrong. > > > > Why do you think that is? That in 2 months nothing. > > > > It's because, as a relative who's worked in the field for many decades > > said: he's full of shit. > > > > Anything he publishes would just undermine the stance he's taken. > > > > The license IS recindable at the will of the 1000s of grantors. Any one > > of them could shake the tree. > > ___ > > freebsd-c...@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > ___ > freebsd-c...@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" >
Re: Why is no one discussing this anymore?
Waiting quietly for two months for Eben Moglen's preliminary write-up (which I was to be sent to "correct") got me no-where. Every seems to have concluded that the issue is settled since there was no more public discussion. All the "other side" said was "nuh-uh" and "you're not a lawyer" (false: I am) and "you deserve to be in prison , isn't practicing law without a license a crime!" (I have a license), and "I'm sure RMS would have made sure the license was not revocable" (he required everyone to sign over their copyright to his foundation... guess why...). Along with "This Artistic License Case decided the AL was not a contract, it was simply a copyright license!! SO THERE!!" (AL is not the GPL... but... the finding in that case helps me, why are you citing it?). (They wisely did not cite the printer driver case where the court looked at the offer to do (paying) business and decided that their was an offer and acceptance based on that other additional writing... since that one isn't on point at all except for the fact that one of the options in that writing was a choice of a GPL licensed work if you didn't want to pay a commercial fee. (The contract there was the other writing giving the option: Pay and get more rights, don't pay and here's the GPL), so at-least there's that.) Being nice did nothing but harm the case of the truth in the eyes of the people however. The guys on the DNG list (Steve Litt I believe) are the ones that want me jailed... On 2018-12-27 20:37, Paul Stuffins wrote: Are you idiots aware Insulting people is not the right way to get your point across! ___ freebsd-c...@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Why is no one discussing this anymore?
This whole discussion is best served elsewhere. On Thursday, December 27, 2018, wrote: > Why is no one discussing this anymore. > > It's like you just accepted the "NU UH U WRONG" proclamation from > programmers. > > Are you idiots aware that programmers DO NOT KNOW THE LAW simply by virtue > of being "smarts"? > > Are you idiots aware that I am a lawyer, I have studied the law, and I do > know more than the programmers on this issue (note: I'm also a programmer > too... but for something useful... like games :) ) > > Are you idiots aware that Eben Moglen (drafter of the GPLv3 (not 2, Linux > is under 2)) has NOT made good on his pledge to publish a report on how I'm > wrong and let me "correct" him where he got it wrong. > > Why do you think that is? That in 2 months nothing. > > It's because, as a relative who's worked in the field for many decades > said: he's full of shit. > > Anything he publishes would just undermine the stance he's taken. > > The license IS recindable at the will of the 1000s of grantors. Any one of > them could shake the tree. > >
Re: Why is no one discussing this anymore?
Are you aware we are in the end of year holidays? I recommend you to not call others as an idiot, as the only idiot here are you ;) On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:31 PM wrote: > > Why is no one discussing this anymore. > > It's like you just accepted the "NU UH U WRONG" proclamation from > programmers. > > Are you idiots aware that programmers DO NOT KNOW THE LAW simply by > virtue of being "smarts"? > > Are you idiots aware that I am a lawyer, I have studied the law, and I > do know more than the programmers on this issue (note: I'm also a > programmer too... but for something useful... like games :) ) > > Are you idiots aware that Eben Moglen (drafter of the GPLv3 (not 2, > Linux is under 2)) has NOT made good on his pledge to publish a report > on how I'm wrong and let me "correct" him where he got it wrong. > > Why do you think that is? That in 2 months nothing. > > It's because, as a relative who's worked in the field for many decades > said: he's full of shit. > > Anything he publishes would just undermine the stance he's taken. > > The license IS recindable at the will of the 1000s of grantors. Any one > of them could shake the tree. > ___ > freebsd-c...@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
