Re: recommendation for router (COMMELL) Liantec
hey, On Sep 17, 2008, at 12:49 AM, Aaron Stellman wrote: This commell site is suspiciously similar to Liantec site; moreover, this commell device is very similar to EMB-5740 Liantec. I assume these two companies are owned by same individuals. I still can't find any places in US that sell EMB-5740. The domains are registered to the same person, for what ever that is worth. I have exchanged a number of emails with someone at Liantec.com and when the emails stopped I was left thinking they want my money, but won't provide details on when the product could ship as the product was not in stock at the moment, no thanks. I asked them to contact me when the product went in stock but I have never heard back from them. Perhaps Wim has had more luck, but last I knew he didn't have any luck with them either. I wonder if these boards are simply vaporware. Liantec (and Comell) is a company tricky to deal with, they are shipping boards but you need to order large quantities. They don't seem to have a very solid distributor network. My last order took about 4 months to get a hold off... I do have some 5740 units here, they run OpenBSD but they tend to be a bit on hot side. Have a look some of the benchmarks Fkr did, comparing it to a soekris 5501 http://blog.bytemine.net/ More info about the 5740 can be found on http://liantec.kd85.com/ dmesg: OpenBSD 4.3 (GENERIC) #698: Wed Mar 12 11:07:05 MDT 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: VIA Eden Processor 1000MHz (CentaurHauls 686-class) 1 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,CMOV,PAT,CFLUSH,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,TM,SBF,SSE3,EST,TM2,xTPR cpu0: RNG AES AES-CTR SHA1 SHA256 RSA real mem = 468152320 (446MB) avail mem = 97920 (423MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 02/25/08, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfa0e0, SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf (34 entries) bios0: vendor Phoenix Technologies, LTD version 6.00 PG date 02/25/2008 bios0: VIA Technologies, Inc. CX700 apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2 (slowidle) apm0: AC on, battery charge unknown acpi at bios0 function 0x0 not configured pcibios0 at bios0: rev 3.0 @ 0xf/0xce14 pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfcce0/288 (16 entries) pcibios0: bad IRQ table checksum pcibios0: PCI BIOS has 17 Interrupt Routing table entries pcibios0: PCI Exclusive IRQs: 5 7 10 11 pcibios0: no compatible PCI ICU found pcibios0: Warning, unable to fix up PCI interrupt routing pcibios0: PCI bus #2 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xf000 0xd/0x1000 cpu0 at mainbus0 cpu0: unknown Enhanced SpeedStep CPU, msr 0x04090a0904000a09 cpu0: using only highest and lowest power states cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 1333 MHz (844 mV): speeds: 1333, 533 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 VIA CX700 Host rev 0x10 agp0 at pchb0: v3, aperture at 0xd000, size 0x1000 pchb1 at pci0 dev 0 function 1 VIA CX700 Host rev 0x00 pchb2 at pci0 dev 0 function 2 VIA CX700 Host rev 0x00 pchb3 at pci0 dev 0 function 3 VIA CX700 Host rev 0x00 pchb4 at pci0 dev 0 function 4 VIA CX700 Host rev 0x00 pchb5 at pci0 dev 0 function 7 VIA CX700 Host rev 0x00 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 VIA VT8377 AGP rev 0x00 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 VIA S3 UniChrome Pro II IGP rev 0x03 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) pciide0 at pci0 dev 15 function 0 VIA CX700 IDE rev 0x00: ATA133, channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility pciide0: channel 0 disabled (no drives) wd0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 1: SILICONSYSTEMS INC 2GB wd0: 1-sector PIO, LBA, 2001MB, 4098528 sectors wd0(pciide0:1:1): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2 uhci0 at pci0 dev 16 function 0 VIA VT83C572 USB rev 0x90: irq 10 uhci1 at pci0 dev 16 function 1 VIA VT83C572 USB rev 0x90: irq 5 uhci2 at pci0 dev 16 function 2 VIA VT83C572 USB rev 0x90: irq 7 ehci0 at pci0 dev 16 function 4 VIA VT6202 USB rev 0x90: irq 11 usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 VIA EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 viapm0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 VIA CX700 ISA rev 0x00 iic0 at viapm0 pchb6 at pci0 dev 17 function 7 VIA VX700 Host rev 0x00 pchb7 at pci0 dev 19 function 0 VIA CX700 Host rev 0x00 ppb1 at pci0 dev 19 function 1 VIA CX700 PCI-PCI rev 0x00 pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 em0 at pci2 dev 6 function 0 Intel PRO/1000MT (82541GI) rev 0x05: irq 7, address 00:06:93:f0:7e:09 em1 at pci2 dev 7 function 0 Intel PRO/1000MT (82541GI) rev 0x05: irq 5, address 00:06:93:f0:7e:0a em2 at pci2 dev 8 function 0 Intel PRO/1000MT (82541GI) rev 0x05: irq 10, address 00:06:93:f0:7e:0b em3 at pci2 dev 9 function 0 Intel PRO/1000MT (82541GI) rev 0x05: irq 11, address 00:06:93:f0:7e:0c usb1 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub1 at usb1 VIA UHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb2 at uhci1: USB revision 1.0 uhub2 at usb2 VIA UHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr
Re: recommendation for router (COMMELL) Liantec
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008, Wim Vandeputte wrote: Liantec (and Comell) is a company tricky to deal with, they are shipping boards but you need to order large quantities. They don't seem to have a very solid distributor network. My last order took about 4 months to get a hold off... I know of two distributors in the US. I've purchased several systems from http://www.bwi.com/ scroll down to Commell on this page, http://www.bwi.com/category/741 I'm about to purchase qty 3 of these http://www.bwi.com/configure/772889 for a project at work. Neither of the two US distributors cater to the retail public. Their target market is industrial and government. So they are not the most convenient to buy from. diana
Re: recommendation for router (COMMELL)
On Sep 17, 2008, at 12:49 AM, Aaron Stellman wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:20:08PM -0400, Steve Shockley wrote: Juan Miscaro wrote: Has anyone any experience running OpenBSD on this puppy: http://www.commell-sys.com/Product/IPC/EMB-564.htm I'm looking for a replacement for my tower that is currently acting as router, anti-spam, mail server for a small network/domain. Anti-spam might be a little slow on that depending on your volume. I haven't used that product though. This commell site is suspiciously similar to Liantec site; moreover, this commell device is very similar to EMB-5740 Liantec. I assume these two companies are owned by same individuals. I still can't find any places in US that sell EMB-5740. The domains are registered to the same person, for what ever that is worth. I have exchanged a number of emails with someone at Liantec.com and when the emails stopped I was left thinking they want my money, but won't provide details on when the product could ship as the product was not in stock at the moment, no thanks. I asked them to contact me when the product went in stock but I have never heard back from them. Perhaps Wim has had more luck, but last I knew he didn't have any luck with them either. I wonder if these boards are simply vaporware. -Chad
Re: recommendation for router (COMMELL)
On 2008-09-17, Juan Miscaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone any experience running OpenBSD on this puppy: http://www.commell-sys.com/Product/IPC/EMB-564.htm I'm looking for a replacement for my tower that is currently acting as router, anti-spam, mail server for a small network/domain. They should run OpenBSD fine. But disk storage might be a problem. Continuously running 2.5 drives in fanless cases don't tend to last very long; the alternatives (DOM or compactflash) would not be great choices for a typical mail server.
Re: recommendation for router (COMMELL)
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 3:33 AM, Juan Miscaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone any experience running OpenBSD on this puppy: http://www.commell-sys.com/Product/IPC/EMB-564.htm Personally I've found that 2,5 disks last longer in the iBase FWA-7304 http://www.ibasetechnology.net/fwa7304.html Something about how they're uses the case to dissipate the heat generated by the CPU seems kinder on the HDD.
Re: recommendation for router (COMMELL)
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 08:56:07AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2008-09-17, Juan Miscaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone any experience running OpenBSD on this puppy: http://www.commell-sys.com/Product/IPC/EMB-564.htm I'm looking for a replacement for my tower that is currently acting as router, anti-spam, mail server for a small network/domain. They should run OpenBSD fine. But disk storage might be a problem. Continuously running 2.5 drives in fanless cases don't tend to last very long; the alternatives (DOM or compactflash) would not be great choices for a typical mail server. I have one, it's okay, but like all PC based system it suffers from crappy BIOS serial port redirection. I second Stuart's opinion regarding not running a mail server on it. diana
Re: recommendation for router (COMMELL)
2008/9/17 Diana Eichert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 08:56:07AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2008-09-17, Juan Miscaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone any experience running OpenBSD on this puppy: http://www.commell-sys.com/Product/IPC/EMB-564.htm I'm looking for a replacement for my tower that is currently acting as router, anti-spam, mail server for a small network/domain. They should run OpenBSD fine. But disk storage might be a problem. Continuously running 2.5 drives in fanless cases don't tend to last very long; the alternatives (DOM or compactflash) would not be great choices for a typical mail server. I have one, it's okay, but like all PC based system it suffers from crappy BIOS serial port redirection. I second Stuart's opinion regarding not running a mail server on it. Thanks everyone for your comments. I guess I'll look elsewhere. Now how about the inverse question? What *would* you recommend? In addition to the listed duties, I am looking for stability, quietness, and low power (in that order). Don't need 4 lan ports (at least 2) but 3 would be nice. /juan
Re: recommendation for router (COMMELL)
What *would* you recommend? In addition to the listed duties, I am looking for stability, For a mail server appliance, Axiomtek units are the only way to fly. Try the NA-820. We've been nothing but pleased, and of all the cheap Award/AMI BIOS's, theirs has been the best performing so far, and priced well http://axiomtek.com/products/ViewProduct.asp?view=429 Also thanks for pointing out Commell. I'll try to have them scare up a demo unit so that I can extract a dmesg(8): http://code.google.com/p/bsd-appliance/wiki/HardwareVendors ~BAS IMPORTANT: This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If the reader of this message is not an intended recipient (or the individual responsible for the delivery of this message to an intended recipient), please be advised that any re-use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system.
Re: recommendation for router (COMMELL)
Juan Miscaro schrieb: 2008/9/17 Diana Eichert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 08:56:07AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2008-09-17, Juan Miscaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone any experience running OpenBSD on this puppy: http://www.commell-sys.com/Product/IPC/EMB-564.htm I'm looking for a replacement for my tower that is currently acting as router, anti-spam, mail server for a small network/domain. They should run OpenBSD fine. But disk storage might be a problem. Continuously running 2.5 drives in fanless cases don't tend to last very long; the alternatives (DOM or compactflash) would not be great choices for a typical mail server. I have one, it's okay, but like all PC based system it suffers from crappy BIOS serial port redirection. I second Stuart's opinion regarding not running a mail server on it. Thanks everyone for your comments. I guess I'll look elsewhere. Now how about the inverse question? What *would* you recommend? In addition to the listed duties, I am looking for stability, quietness, and low power (in that order). Don't need 4 lan ports (at least 2) but 3 would be nice. /juan Hm, I also always thougt I needed 2 or 3 NICs (DMZ, int, ext...). But then I replaced my network switch with the Netgear GS108T (8Port, 1000MBit __and__ vlan for around 100b, ) and then I started using vlans. guido
Re: recommendation for router (COMMELL)
Juan Miscaro wrote: Has anyone any experience running OpenBSD on this puppy: http://www.commell-sys.com/Product/IPC/EMB-564.htm I'm looking for a replacement for my tower that is currently acting as router, anti-spam, mail server for a small network/domain. Anti-spam might be a little slow on that depending on your volume. I haven't used that product though.
Re: recommendation for router (COMMELL)
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:20:08PM -0400, Steve Shockley wrote: Juan Miscaro wrote: Has anyone any experience running OpenBSD on this puppy: http://www.commell-sys.com/Product/IPC/EMB-564.htm I'm looking for a replacement for my tower that is currently acting as router, anti-spam, mail server for a small network/domain. Anti-spam might be a little slow on that depending on your volume. I haven't used that product though. This commell site is suspiciously similar to Liantec site; moreover, this commell device is very similar to EMB-5740 Liantec. I assume these two companies are owned by same individuals. I still can't find any places in US that sell EMB-5740.
