Re: Slogan for OpenBSD goodies
On 10/7/06, Samurai Chef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/6/06, Jason Mao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Bruno I think that depends on your definiton for the word free. Best rgds, Jason On 10/6/06, Bruno Carnazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi misc, I was thinking to a slogan that could be printed on some openbsd goodies : Free software can't exist without Free hardware. I think this is really the core of the current free software problem. Best regards, Bruno. s/Free/Open/g On Sat, Oct 07, 2006 at 12:27:47AM +0800, Jason Mao wrote: Hi, Samurai Well, software may be open, but how could hardware be open in the same way as software? Anyway, this is also a neat idea, in that this is OpenBSD rather than FreeBSD. Jason You've obviously never designed hardware or visited sites like opencores.org. Briefly speaking, hardware designs are typically written in some language like VHDL, Verilog, etc. and then tested in a simulator. Once the bugs in the design are worked out, the source code is sent off to a factory to print the boards, build the chips, etc. What's really exciting is the work being done with 3d printers and how the ideals of open source software can be applied in that realm. -Damian
Re: Slogan for OpenBSD goodies
What's really exciting is the work being done with 3d printers and how the ideals of open source software can be applied in that realm. -Damian Yes, yes, yes! IIRC think Michael Hart mentioned this in his hopenumbersix keynote: http://www.hopenumbersix.net/mp3/16/hart.mp3 I can't wait! :) ropers
Re: Slogan for OpenBSD goodies
Hi, Bruno I think that depends on your definiton for the word free. Best rgds, Jason On 10/6/06, Bruno Carnazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi misc, I was thinking to a slogan that could be printed on some openbsd goodies : Free software can't exist without Free hardware. I think this is really the core of the current free software problem. Best regards, Bruno.
Re: Slogan for OpenBSD goodies
On 10/6/06, Jason Mao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Bruno I think that depends on your definiton for the word free. Best rgds, Jason On 10/6/06, Bruno Carnazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi misc, I was thinking to a slogan that could be printed on some openbsd goodies : Free software can't exist without Free hardware. I think this is really the core of the current free software problem. Best regards, Bruno. s/Free/Open/g
Re: Slogan for OpenBSD goodies
Hi, Samurai Well, software may be open, but how could hardware be open in the same way as software? Anyway, this is also a neat idea, in that this is OpenBSD rather than FreeBSD. Jason On 10/7/06, Samurai Chef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/6/06, Jason Mao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Bruno I think that depends on your definiton for the word free. Best rgds, Jason On 10/6/06, Bruno Carnazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi misc, I was thinking to a slogan that could be printed on some openbsd goodies : Free software can't exist without Free hardware. I think this is really the core of the current free software problem. Best regards, Bruno. s/Free/Open/g
Re: Slogan for OpenBSD goodies
On 10/6/06, Jason Mao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Samurai Well, software may be open, but how could hardware be open in the same way as software? You must be trolling. The furor of the last couple of days (and the last few months/years of background work) is all about open hardware. Open hardware means not needing magical blobs in the OS to run. Open hardware means making register documentation available to those who wish to write drivers. Open hardware means having complete and accurate documentation. That rules out NICs that need to have a blob in the driver, rather than just poking stuff into the chip's registers and leaving the firmware to figure it out. That rules out video cards that are minimially functional VESA devices, but need undocumented magic to do hardware acceleration. That rules out RAID controllers that don't allow you to read a couple of bytes to query array status, or send a couple of bytes to start a rebuild. None of that needs to be proprietary... Now if you're not satisfied with hardware being black boxes that seem to do the right thing when you poke registers the right way, look at the various projects hosted by OpenCores[1] or the LEON[2] GPLed SPARCv8 clone. Of course, you still need to trust your FPGA... [1] http://www.opencores.org/browse.cgi/by_category [2] http://www.gaisler.com/cms4_5_3/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=13Itemid=53 -- GDB has a 'break' feature; why doesn't it have 'fix' too?
Slogan for OpenBSD goodies
Hi misc, I was thinking to a slogan that could be printed on some openbsd goodies : Free software can't exist without Free hardware. I think this is really the core of the current free software problem. Best regards, Bruno.
