Re: Soekris equivalent
On 2008-12-18, Stephan A. Rickauer stephan.ricka...@ini.phys.ethz.ch wrote: On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 20:56 +0100, Marc Balmer wrote: ALIX boards serve me well. See www.pcengines.ch. I can second that. Alix boards have served me as a robust drop-in replacement for Soekris while being cheaper at the same time (maybe not for non-Swiss customers, though). They don't support 1GB of RAM as was the original requirement though.
Re: Soekris equivalent
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 02:38:43PM -0500, Christopher Sean Hilton wrote: Is anyone aware of an equivalent for the Soekris Net 5501-70. I'm looking to prototype an OpenBSD border gateway that offers web proxy capabilities through squid cache but squid is a bit of a memory hog and I'd like to have something with a Gig of RAM. Power footprint is a consideration which is why the Soekris is at the top of the list. I started off looking at Soekris but, to be honest, thought they were expensive given their lack of horsepower. After a lot of hunting, I ended up with a Tranquil (http://www.tranquilpc.co.uk/) T7, which is a passively cooled Intel Atom solution. Depending on where you site it, you might want to fiddle with its positioning to maximise its ability to cool itself (I found that if I floor mounted it, raising it half an inch above the floor meant it ran much cooler; I suspect the available wall mount would have a similar beneficial effect), It works fine with OpenBSD, draws very little power, can be ordered in a bare bones version (sans OS etc.), and is very well engineered. As with most Atom machines, it's a little sparse on the peripherals, but adding a USB NIC or two would probably do the trick for most gateway purposes. Laurie -- http://tratt.net/laurie/ -- Personal http://fetegeo.org/ -- Free text geocoding http://convergepl.org/ -- The Converge programming language
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I've seen various references to PoC (AKA Piece of Crap) generic motherboards. None of these are good comparisons to either the PC Engines or Soekris boards because of their limited serial port boot rom access. Anyone who has ever worked with PC BIOS serial port redirection knows how crappy it is. my quickly devaluing US$.02 worth diana
Re: Soekris equivalent
I love my crusoe, no moving parts and less than 1A: OpenBSD 4.4-beta (GENERIC) #976: Fri Jul 11 16:41:38 MDT 2008 pvalc...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: Transmeta(tm) Crusoe(tm) Processor TM5800 (GenuineTMx86 586-class) 732 MHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,CX8,SEP,CMOV,SER,MMX real mem = 251146240 (239MB) avail mem = 234598400 (223MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 10/10/03, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfa2b0, SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf0800 (31 entries) bios0: vendor Phoenix Technologies, LTD version 786W2 v1.07 date 10/10/2003 bios0: Hewlett-Packard hp t5000 series acpi0 at bios0: rev 0 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP acpi0: wakeup devices PCI0(S5) LAN0(S5) USB0(S4) USB1(S4) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpicpu0 at acpi0: C3, C2 acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x8000 0xc8000/0xa000 cpu0 at mainbus0 pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Transmeta LongRun Northbridge rev 0x03 Transmeta Mem1 rev 0x00 at pci0 dev 0 function 1 not configured Transmeta Mem2 rev 0x00 at pci0 dev 0 function 2 not configured em0 at pci0 dev 11 function 0 Intel PRO/1000MT (82546GB) rev 0x03: irq 11, address 00:04:23:ab:6e:68 em1 at pci0 dev 11 function 1 Intel PRO/1000MT (82546GB) rev 0x03: irq 10, address 00:04:23:ab:6e:69 vga1 at pci0 dev 13 function 0 ATI Rage XL rev 0x27 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) pcib0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 VIA VT8231 ISA rev 0x10 pciide0 at pci0 dev 17 function 1 VIA VT82C571 IDE rev 0x06: ATA100, channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: 256MB ATA Flash Disk wd0: 1-sector PIO, LBA, 245MB, 501760 sectors wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4 pciide0: channel 1 ignored (disabled) uhci0 at pci0 dev 17 function 2 VIA VT83C572 USB rev 0x1e: irq 5 uhci1 at pci0 dev 17 function 3 VIA VT83C572 USB rev 0x1e: irq 5 viaenv0 at pci0 dev 17 function 4 VIA VT8231 PMG rev 0x10: failed to map PM I/O space vr0 at pci0 dev 18 function 0 VIA RhineII-2 rev 0x51: irq 15, address 00:0b:cd:6d:81:ae ukphy0 at vr0 phy 1: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 5: OUI 0x004063, model 0x0032 isa0 at pcib0 isadma0 at isa0 com0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 midi0 at pcppi0: PC speaker spkr0 at pcppi0 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 usb0 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0 at usb0 VIA UHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb1 at uhci1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1 at usb1 VIA UHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 biomask 71ed netmask fded ttymask umass0 at uhub1 port 2 configuration 1 interface 0 SMI Corporation USB DISK rev 2.00/11.00 addr 2 umass0: using SCSI over Bulk-Only scsibus0 at umass0: 2 targets, initiator 0 sd0 at scsibus0 targ 1 lun 0: , , 1100 SCSI0 0/direct removable sd0: 991MB, 126 cyl, 255 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 2030592 sec total uhidev0 at uhub0 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0 Tripplite B015-000 R0.74 USB to PS2 adapter. rev 1.10/1.00 addr 2 uhidev0: iclass 3/1 ukbd0 at uhidev0: 8 modifier keys, 6 key codes, country code 3 wskbd1 at ukbd0 mux 1 wskbd1: connecting to wsdisplay0 uhidev1 at uhub0 port 1 configuration 1 interface 1 Tripplite B015-000 R0.74 USB to PS2 adapter. rev 1.10/1.00 addr 2 uhidev1: iclass 3/1 ums0 at uhidev1: 5 buttons, Z dir wsmouse0 at ums0 mux 0 softraid0 at root root on wd0a swap on wd0b dump on wd0b On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 02:38:43PM -0500, Christopher Sean Hilton wrote: Is anyone aware of an equivalent for the Soekris Net 5501-70. I'm looking to prototype an OpenBSD border gateway that offers web proxy capabilities through squid cache but squid is a bit of a memory hog and I'd like to have something with a Gig of RAM. Power footprint is a consideration which is why the Soekris is at the top of the list. -- Chris Chris Hilton tildeChris -- http://myblog.vindaloo.com email -- chris/at/vindaloo/ dot/com .~~.--.~ ~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~. I'm on the outside looking inside, What do I see? Much confusion, disillution, all around me. -- Ian McDonald / Peter Sinfield
Re: Soekris equivalent
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: I love my crusoe, no moving parts and less than 1A: Wasn't it kinda expensive in the beginning (definitely more than a soekris iirc) and even more expensive as museum pieces nowadays? -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity. -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted. -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1G-3laJJP0feature=related
Re: Soekris equivalent
No idea; it was a gift. Love it though; soekris, not so much. On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:49:56AM -0500, bofh wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: I love my crusoe, no moving parts and less than 1A: Wasn't it kinda expensive in the beginning (definitely more than a soekris iirc) and even more expensive as museum pieces nowadays? -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity. -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted. -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1G-3laJJP0feature=related
Re: Soekris equivalent
the same site that has the atom based board from msi also has a jetway board. http://www.logicsupply.com/products/nc92_230_lf with add on, it can do 4 10/100/1000 network attachments.
Re: Soekris equivalent
Hello, FYI: We deployed 25 of the jetway boards as thin clients. We had many problems and have recently replaced the last one. I would stay away from these. -G _ From: Anathae Townsend [mailto:atowns...@nucleus.com] To: misc@openbsd.org Sent: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:37:23 -0600 Subject: Re: Soekris equivalent the same site that has the atom based board from msi also has a jetway board. http://www.logicsupply.com/products/nc92_230_lf with add on, it can do 4 10/100/1000 network attachments.
Soekris equivalent
Is anyone aware of an equivalent for the Soekris Net 5501-70. I'm looking to prototype an OpenBSD border gateway that offers web proxy capabilities through squid cache but squid is a bit of a memory hog and I'd like to have something with a Gig of RAM. Power footprint is a consideration which is why the Soekris is at the top of the list. -- Chris Chris Hilton tildeChris -- http://myblog.vindaloo.com email -- chris/at/vindaloo/ dot/com .~ ~ .--.~ ~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~. I'm on the outside looking inside, What do I see? Much confusion, disillution, all around me. -- Ian McDonald / Peter Sinfield
Re: Soekris equivalent
* Christopher Sean Hilton wrote: Is anyone aware of an equivalent for the Soekris Net 5501-70. I'm looking to prototype an OpenBSD border gateway that offers web proxy capabilities through squid cache but squid is a bit of a memory hog and I'd like to have something with a Gig of RAM. Power footprint is a consideration which is why the Soekris is at the top of the list. ALIX boards serve me well. See www.pcengines.ch. -- Chris Chris Hilton tildeChris -- http://myblog.vindaloo.com email -- chris/at/vindaloo/ dot/com .~~.--.~ ~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~.--.~~. I'm on the outside looking inside, What do I see? Much confusion, disillution, all around me. -- Ian McDonald / Peter Sinfield -- Marc Balmer, Micro Systems, Wiesendamm 2a, Postfach, CH-4019 Basel, Switzerland http://www.msys.ch/ http://www.vnode.ch/ In God we trust, in C we code.
Re: Soekris equivalent
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Christopher Sean Hilton ch...@vindaloo.com wrote: Is anyone aware of an equivalent for the Soekris Net 5501-70. I'm looking to prototype an OpenBSD border gateway that offers web proxy capabilities through squid cache but squid is a bit of a memory hog and I'd like to have something with a Gig of RAM. Power footprint is a consideration which is why the Soekris is at the top of the list. I never used a gig of ram for squid even when I put the cache in a ramdisk. -B
Re: Soekris equivalent
2008/12/17 Marc Balmer m...@msys.ch: * Christopher Sean Hilton wrote: Is anyone aware of an equivalent for the Soekris Net 5501-70. I'm ALIX boards serve me well. See www.pcengines.ch. Btw: Has anybody seen Intel Atom boards with 1 NIC for use as routers/firewalls? Best Martin
Re: Soekris equivalent
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Martin Schrvder mar...@oneiros.de wrote: Btw: Has anybody seen Intel Atom boards with 1 NIC for use as routers/firewalls? Intel won't allow it. Doesn't want it to cannibalize their celeron sales. That's why atom boards only have one pci slot too. -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity. -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted. -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1G-3laJJP0feature=related
Re: Soekris equivalent
http://www.logicsupply.com/products/ms_9832 Spec says it has dual LAN ports. Dan bofh wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Martin Schrvder mar...@oneiros.de wrote: Btw: Has anybody seen Intel Atom boards with 1 NIC for use as routers/firewalls? Intel won't allow it. Doesn't want it to cannibalize their celeron sales. That's why atom boards only have one pci slot too. -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity. -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted. -- Gene Spafford learn french:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1G-3laJJP0feature=related
Re: Soekris equivalent
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Daniel E. Hassler hass...@speakeasy.net wrote: http://www.logicsupply.com/products/ms_9832 Interesting. I read somewhere that it is one of the things Intel is limiting customers to, via chipsets and whatnots. I wonder if these guys are using a 3rd party chipset. -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity. -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted. -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1G-3laJJP0feature=related
Re: Soekris equivalent
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Daniel E. Hassler wrote: http://www.logicsupply.com/products/ms_9832 2008/12/18 bofh goodb...@gmail.com: Interesting. I read somewhere that it is one of the things Intel is limiting customers to, via chipsets and whatnots. I wonder if these guys are using a 3rd party chipset. First sentence on that page: The IM-945GC is MSI's Intel-Atom-based offeringtouting the 1.6GHz Atom 230 processor and Intel 945GC chipset. PS: Sent this off-list by mistake: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Martin Schrvder mar...@oneiros.de wrote: Btw: Has anybody seen Intel Atom boards with 1 NIC for use as routers/firewalls? 2008/12/18 bofh goodb...@gmail.com: Intel won't allow it. Doesn't want it to cannibalize their celeron sales. That's why atom boards only have one pci slot too. 2008/12/18 ropers rop...@gmail.com: Really? What influence do Intel have over how a manufacturer designs their mainboards? Do Atom CPUs only work with Intel chipsets? Or are they making Atom buyers sign terrible contracts? (Wouldn't the doctrine of first sale torpedo such efforts?) regards, --ropers
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bofh wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Daniel E. Hassler hass...@speakeasy.net wrote: http://www.logicsupply.com/products/ms_9832 Interesting. I read somewhere that it is one of the things Intel is limiting customers to, via chipsets and whatnots. I wonder if these guys are using a 3rd party chipset. There is a review of five Atom boards here http://www.mini-itx.com/reviews/atoms/ also check the list od Intel Atom CPU's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Atom_microprocessors As usual, OEM boards perform better than original Intel boards, MSI seems to be the first to introduce passive cooling. Worth of note is, from the logicsupply.com page Please choose Mainboard Test http://www.logicsupply.com/faq?faq1=9faq2=147 to ensure that the board is free from manufacturers defects, errors, etc. If Mainboard Test is selected, please allow 1-2 full business days for completion before shipment date. ;-) Not speaking of OS glitches (even in Win). In any case, I would chose an OpenBSD friendly manufacturer. http://www.pcengines.ch/alix.htm has already been mentioned.
Re: Soekris equivalent
On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 20:56 +0100, Marc Balmer wrote: ALIX boards serve me well. See www.pcengines.ch. I can second that. Alix boards have served me as a robust drop-in replacement for Soekris while being cheaper at the same time (maybe not for non-Swiss customers, though).
