Re: Sun Netra X1 Firewall Throughput?
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 10:16:33PM -0700, Bryan Vyhmeister wrote: On May 18, 2007, at 2:09 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote: [drive 137GB on Sun X1?] No it doesn't. I have about 30 of them and putting any drives bigger then that will simply not work. Well, actually it work, but you can't use above that. If you try to even partition it like that, the system will crash and not start, period. I try a good Seagate 180MB for test and can't use it all. That's too bad. I was hoping I could put larger drives in them. Oh well, 120 GB it is. Maybe you can use the same approach I used with my U10 - I've put in a Promise PCI IDE controller and a 160GB and that worked fine (see the archives of the sparc list - I had some crashes in the beginning which were due to bad RAM). Downside is that you can't boot from them. I don't know whether the X1 has free PCI slots, but if it has, it might be an option. Cheerio, Thomas -- ** PLEASE: NO Cc's to me privately, I do read the list - thanks! ** - Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.orgICQ#: 15839919 You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!
Re: Sun Netra X1 Firewall Throughput?
On May 22, 2007, at 7:09 AM, T. Ribbrock wrote: On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 10:16:33PM -0700, Bryan Vyhmeister wrote: That's too bad. I was hoping I could put larger drives in them. Oh well, 120 GB it is. Maybe you can use the same approach I used with my U10 - I've put in a Promise PCI IDE controller and a 160GB and that worked fine (see the archives of the sparc list - I had some crashes in the beginning which were due to bad RAM). Downside is that you can't boot from them. I don't know whether the X1 has free PCI slots, but if it has, it might be an option. I appreciate that suggestion. Unfortunately, the Netra X1, like the Sun Fire V100, does not have any PCI slots. Bryan
Re: Sun Netra X1 Firewall Throughput?
On 22/05/07, T. Ribbrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know whether the X1 has free PCI slots, but if it has, it might be an option. I just checked mine. It has no PCI slots, however there are USB ports. You could add an external one, but I wouldnt rely on it for production environments. -- Best Regards Edd --- http://students.dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/ebarrett
Re: Sun Netra X1 Firewall Throughput?
On May 18, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Edd Barrett wrote: I must say that the LOM (Lights Out Management) on this machine is absolutely superb. The bad thing with it is that it has no cd drive, so you have to open it up and balance one on top for the initial install. From there on i reccommend bsd.rd upgrades:P I have a netboot environment setup which works great for this. I have to agree on the LOM interface. While I don't yet have a Netra X1, my Sun Fire V100 and Sun Fire V120 machines are just a dream to work with! Bryan
Re: Sun Netra X1 Firewall Throughput?
On May 18, 2007, at 10:51 AM, Paul D. Ouderkirk wrote: I'm actually running an X1 off compact flash on a CF-IDE adapter. Out of curiosity, what is this machine tasked with? I would guess it is working as a firewall. I do the same with my i386 firewall machines and some DNS caches and such. I may also run the X1 this same way as well. Bryan
Re: Sun Netra X1 Firewall Throughput?
On May 18, 2007, at 2:15 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote: The X1 is great for firewall. Your limits to consider is not the transfer in Mbps, but always the PPS. That's where you will hit the wall if to high and that's not only with X1, but any servers. PPS is really the biggest problem here, unless you start talking multiple time 100Mb/sec. You are right. Right now, I am running anywhere from 750 to 1000 PPS which isn't anything too high. A new DS3 is getting installed in the next couple of months and I was thinking about using the X1's to firewall that new connection which will run a higher PPS. Initially, it won't be much higher but time will tell. Bryan
Re: Sun Netra X1 Firewall Throughput?
On May 18, 2007, at 2:09 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote: Bryan Vyhmeister wrote: One thing I was wondering about the X1. Does it support hard drives larger than 137 GB or whatever that old limit was? I don't know if Sun systems are affected by those same kind of issues as older PC stuff but I don't want to get bitten by that one if they are. No it doesn't. I have about 30 of them and putting any drives bigger then that will simply not work. Well, actually it work, but you can't use above that. If you try to even partition it like that, the system will crash and not start, period. I try a good Seagate 180MB for test and can't use it all. That's too bad. I was hoping I could put larger drives in them. Oh well, 120 GB it is. Bryan
Re: Sun Netra X1 Firewall Throughput?
Hi, On 18/05/07, Bryan Vyhmeister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone give any information about the Sun Netra X1 being used as a pf firewall. I am specifically looking for throughput information. I am considering using a pair for a theoretical maximum throughput of about 45 Mbps. Can the Netra X1 comfortably handle this with carp(4) and some pf firewalling. I know this is pretty generic but any comments? (In case you are wondering, I would run pfsync on a VLAN on the less used interface.) Thank you. I have one of these as a buildbox, but I have only used it as a personal server. Is there some kind of benchmarking tool I can run on it to give you an idea? I have little knowledge on pf and I have never used carp. -- Best Regards Edd --- http://students.dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/ebarrett
Re: Sun Netra X1 Firewall Throughput?
On May 18, 2007, at 4:56 AM, Edd Barrett wrote: On 18/05/07, Bryan Vyhmeister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone give any information about the Sun Netra X1 being used as a pf firewall. I am specifically looking for throughput information. I am considering using a pair for a theoretical maximum throughput of about 45 Mbps. Can the Netra X1 comfortably handle this with carp(4) and some pf firewalling. I know this is pretty generic but any comments? (In case you are wondering, I would run pfsync on a VLAN on the less used interface.) Thank you. I have one of these as a buildbox, but I have only used it as a personal server. Is there some kind of benchmarking tool I can run on it to give you an idea? I have little knowledge on pf and I have never used carp. Thank you for the response. There isn't really an easy way to benchmark this type of thing except for putting it in production. I have one machine on the way and I can just test with that. I was just hoping that someone else might already be using that setup. One thing I was wondering about the X1. Does it support hard drives larger than 137 GB or whatever that old limit was? I don't know if Sun systems are affected by those same kind of issues as older PC stuff but I don't want to get bitten by that one if they are. Bryan
Re: Sun Netra X1 Firewall Throughput?
On 5/18/07, Edd Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must say that the LOM (Lights Out Management) on this machine is absolutely superb. The bad thing with it is that it has no cd drive, so you have to open it up and balance one on top for the initial install. From there on i reccommend bsd.rd upgrades:P I recommend bsd.rd installs :) I'm actually running an X1 off compact flash on a CF-IDE adapter. Paul. -- Paul D. Ouderkirk Senior UNIX System Administrator JadedPixel Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- laughing, in the mechanism -- William Gibson
Re: Sun Netra X1 Firewall Throughput?
HI, On 18/05/07, Bryan Vyhmeister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for the response. There isn't really an easy way to benchmark this type of thing except for putting it in production. I have one machine on the way and I can just test with that. I was just hoping that someone else might already be using that setup. Sorry I can't be of more help regarding that. One thing I was wondering about the X1. Does it support hard drives larger than 137 GB or whatever that old limit was? I don't know if Sun systems are affected by those same kind of issues as older PC stuff but I don't want to get bitten by that one if they are. I have never tried it to be honest. I'd like to guess it does as it seems a very modern (but basic) sun machine. As in it atleast has a 133MHz disk interface. Well after the time that flaw was noticed in the mainstream? I must say that the LOM (Lights Out Management) on this machine is absolutely superb. The bad thing with it is that it has no cd drive, so you have to open it up and balance one on top for the initial install. From there on i reccommend bsd.rd upgrades:P -- Best Regards Edd --- http://students.dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/ebarrett
Re: Sun Netra X1 Firewall Throughput?
Bryan Vyhmeister wrote: One thing I was wondering about the X1. Does it support hard drives larger than 137 GB or whatever that old limit was? I don't know if Sun systems are affected by those same kind of issues as older PC stuff but I don't want to get bitten by that one if they are. No it doesn't. I have about 30 of them and putting any drives bigger then that will simply not work. Well, actually it work, but you can't use above that. If you try to even partition it like that, the system will crash and not start, period. I try a good Seagate 180MB for test and can't use it all.
Re: Sun Netra X1 Firewall Throughput?
On 18/05/07, Bryan Vyhmeister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone give any information about the Sun Netra X1 being used as a pf firewall. I am specifically looking for throughput information. I am considering using a pair for a theoretical maximum throughput of about 45 Mbps. Can the Netra X1 comfortably handle this with carp(4) and some pf firewalling. I know this is pretty generic but any comments? (In case you are wondering, I would run pfsync on a VLAN on the less used interface.) Thank you. The X1 is great for firewall. Your limits to consider is not the transfer in Mbps, but always the PPS. That's where you will hit the wall if to high and that's not only with X1, but any servers. PPS is really the biggest problem here, unless you start talking multiple time 100Mb/sec.
Sun Netra X1 Firewall Throughput?
Can anyone give any information about the Sun Netra X1 being used as a pf firewall. I am specifically looking for throughput information. I am considering using a pair for a theoretical maximum throughput of about 45 Mbps. Can the Netra X1 comfortably handle this with carp(4) and some pf firewalling. I know this is pretty generic but any comments? (In case you are wondering, I would run pfsync on a VLAN on the less used interface.) Thank you. Bryan
