Re: USB key with OpenBSD - hangs at POST
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Andrius V wrote: >> > > I tried to play with usb key yesterday. Yes, when I copied mbr from > the other computer, computers didn't hang anymore. Of course, that mbr > is not suitable to boot OpenBSD as it points to grub which doesn't > exist in this usb key, however I successfully booted OS from CD (boot > hd0a:/bsd). So, I have question. Can I install grub (with ffs > support?) to openbsd from ports or I need to compile it and configure > it manually? Grub manual points that booting method is the same as > NetBSD (however, does it mean that I need to write --type=netbsd or > --type=openbsd?). Thank you in advance. Yes, grub is in ports, and it can even read OpenBSD partitions (though you have to use chainloading because it doesn't call the OpenBSD kernel right). If you search the mailing list archives (http://marc.info?l=openbsd-misc) or just google there's results. In the future, you can find out this sort of information by using `make search` in the ports tree or, if you don't have an OpenBSD box handy, from http://openports.se. -Nick
Re: USB key with OpenBSD - hangs at POST
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Andrius V wrote: > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Nick Guenther wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Andrius V wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:56 AM, Robert Bronsdon wrote: Don't forget booting from USB is a black art. Different USB keys will represent themselves in different ways, some keys represent themselves as USB Floppy drives, some as USB CD-ROM drives. Some motherboards see USB keys as valid boot media, not all motherboards. Given your problem is during POST I can't see this being an OpenBSD problem. One solution could be too install an OS designed to run from a USB key and test it on the machine then. If it boots you can at least eliminate the USB key itself as a problem. >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Ok, If you need more information I can give it. I used this flash key >>> with other OSes successfully (NetBSD, for example). So it is not an >>> usb key problem. POST means "power on self test" which you see than >>> computer starts. Motherboard is Jetway JNF76-N1G-LF P (VIA Nano U2300 >>> 1GHz, VIA VX800), however, it hanged with all other my motherboards >>> (Intel X58, AMD 690G chipsets). I tried to disable SATA, AHCI but it >>> didn't help. It doesn't hang only when I disable usb media as storage >>> in BIOS (however it can't be bootable then). Installable OpenBSD CD >>> boots without problems. It appears that BIOS can't recognize USB key >>> with OpenBSD for some reason. >> >> >> Wait, do you mean you've installed NetBSD to the disk and had it boot >> fine on the same motherboard? In THAT case it's not hanging at POST, >> it's hanging just after POST. Are you sure the OpenBSD bootloader >> doesn't show itself -at all-? I'm pretty sure the first thing it does >> is print its banner, so if that's not even happening the BIOS must be >> loading the MBR in a way the OpenBSD MBR doesn't expect somehow. >> Perhaps you could try copying the MBR from a USB key with NetBSD over >> the USB key with OpenBSD, see if that makes a difference. >> >> Also please don't top post. >> >> -Nick >> > > Ok, sorry for a top post. NetBSD was installed into that usb key > earlier (and it booted succesfully). I formated it and installed > OpenBSD instead. At boot I see information about CPU and computer > hangs at this point. Hm, I can try to rewrite mbr with other boot > loader. I'll post the results later (after 8-10 hours). > > Regards, > Andrius V > I tried to play with usb key yesterday. Yes, when I copied mbr from the other computer, computers didn't hang anymore. Of course, that mbr is not suitable to boot OpenBSD as it points to grub which doesn't exist in this usb key, however I successfully booted OS from CD (boot hd0a:/bsd). So, I have question. Can I install grub (with ffs support?) to openbsd from ports or I need to compile it and configure it manually? Grub manual points that booting method is the same as NetBSD (however, does it mean that I need to write --type=netbsd or --type=openbsd?). Thank you in advance. Regards, Andrius V
Re: USB key with OpenBSD - hangs at POST
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Nick Guenther wrote: > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Andrius V wrote: >> >> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:56 AM, Robert Bronsdon wrote: >>> Don't forget booting from USB is a black art. Different USB keys will >>> represent themselves in different ways, some keys represent themselves as >>> USB Floppy drives, some as USB CD-ROM drives. >>> >>> Some motherboards see USB keys as valid boot media, not all motherboards. >>> >>> Given your problem is during POST I can't see this being an OpenBSD >>> problem. One solution could be too install an OS designed to run from a >>> USB key and test it on the machine then. If it boots you can at least >>> eliminate the USB key itself as a problem. >>> >>> > >> Hello, >> >> Ok, If you need more information I can give it. I used this flash key >> with other OSes successfully (NetBSD, for example). So it is not an >> usb key problem. POST means "power on self test" which you see than >> computer starts. Motherboard is Jetway JNF76-N1G-LF P (VIA Nano U2300 >> 1GHz, VIA VX800), however, it hanged with all other my motherboards >> (Intel X58, AMD 690G chipsets). I tried to disable SATA, AHCI but it >> didn't help. It doesn't hang only when I disable usb media as storage >> in BIOS (however it can't be bootable then). Installable OpenBSD CD >> boots without problems. It appears that BIOS can't recognize USB key >> with OpenBSD for some reason. > > > Wait, do you mean you've installed NetBSD to the disk and had it boot > fine on the same motherboard? In THAT case it's not hanging at POST, > it's hanging just after POST. Are you sure the OpenBSD bootloader > doesn't show itself -at all-? I'm pretty sure the first thing it does > is print its banner, so if that's not even happening the BIOS must be > loading the MBR in a way the OpenBSD MBR doesn't expect somehow. > Perhaps you could try copying the MBR from a USB key with NetBSD over > the USB key with OpenBSD, see if that makes a difference. > > Also please don't top post. > > -Nick > Ok, sorry for a top post. NetBSD was installed into that usb key earlier (and it booted succesfully). I formated it and installed OpenBSD instead. At boot I see information about CPU and computer hangs at this point. Hm, I can try to rewrite mbr with other boot loader. I'll post the results later (after 8-10 hours). Regards, Andrius V
Re: USB key with OpenBSD - hangs at POST
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Andrius V wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:56 AM, Robert Bronsdon wrote: >> Don't forget booting from USB is a black art. Different USB keys will >> represent themselves in different ways, some keys represent themselves as >> USB Floppy drives, some as USB CD-ROM drives. >> >> Some motherboards see USB keys as valid boot media, not all motherboards. >> >> Given your problem is during POST I can't see this being an OpenBSD >> problem. One solution could be too install an OS designed to run from a >> USB key and test it on the machine then. If it boots you can at least >> eliminate the USB key itself as a problem. >> >> > Hello, > > Ok, If you need more information I can give it. I used this flash key > with other OSes successfully (NetBSD, for example). So it is not an > usb key problem. POST means "power on self test" which you see than > computer starts. Motherboard is Jetway JNF76-N1G-LF P (VIA Nano U2300 > 1GHz, VIA VX800), however, it hanged with all other my motherboards > (Intel X58, AMD 690G chipsets). I tried to disable SATA, AHCI but it > didn't help. It doesn't hang only when I disable usb media as storage > in BIOS (however it can't be bootable then). Installable OpenBSD CD > boots without problems. It appears that BIOS can't recognize USB key > with OpenBSD for some reason. Wait, do you mean you've installed NetBSD to the disk and had it boot fine on the same motherboard? In THAT case it's not hanging at POST, it's hanging just after POST. Are you sure the OpenBSD bootloader doesn't show itself -at all-? I'm pretty sure the first thing it does is print its banner, so if that's not even happening the BIOS must be loading the MBR in a way the OpenBSD MBR doesn't expect somehow. Perhaps you could try copying the MBR from a USB key with NetBSD over the USB key with OpenBSD, see if that makes a difference. Also please don't top post. -Nick
Re: USB key with OpenBSD - hangs at POST
Hello, Ok, If you need more information I can give it. I used this flash key with other OSes successfully (NetBSD, for example). So it is not an usb key problem. POST means "power on self test" which you see than computer starts. Motherboard is Jetway JNF76-N1G-LF P (VIA Nano U2300 1GHz, VIA VX800), however, it hanged with all other my motherboards (Intel X58, AMD 690G chipsets). I tried to disable SATA, AHCI but it didn't help. It doesn't hang only when I disable usb media as storage in BIOS (however it can't be bootable then). Installable OpenBSD CD boots without problems. It appears that BIOS can't recognize USB key with OpenBSD for some reason. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:56 AM, Robert Bronsdon wrote: > Don't forget booting from USB is a black art. Different USB keys will > represent themselves in different ways, some keys represent themselves as > USB Floppy drives, some as USB CD-ROM drives. > > Some motherboards see USB keys as valid boot media, not all motherboards. > > Given your problem is during POST I can't see this being an OpenBSD > problem. One solution could be too install an OS designed to run from a > USB key and test it on the machine then. If it boots you can at least > eliminate the USB key itself as a problem. > > > -- > Using Opera M2: http://www.opera.com/mail/
Re: USB key with OpenBSD - hangs at POST
Don't forget booting from USB is a black art. Different USB keys will represent themselves in different ways, some keys represent themselves as USB Floppy drives, some as USB CD-ROM drives. Some motherboards see USB keys as valid boot media, not all motherboards. Given your problem is during POST I can't see this being an OpenBSD problem. One solution could be too install an OS designed to run from a USB key and test it on the machine then. If it boots you can at least eliminate the USB key itself as a problem. -- Using Opera M2: http://www.opera.com/mail/
Re: USB key with OpenBSD - hangs at POST
Nick Holland wrote: > Nick Holland wrote: ... > I don't work with OpenBSD, gawd. I can't compose a simple e-mail today. "I don't work with NetBSD, I do work with OpenBSD". Sheesh. I'm going to bed.
Re: USB key with OpenBSD - hangs at POST
Nick Holland wrote: ... > If you are using "POST" as a cool-sounding buzzword which means "I > didn't get to a command prompt like I wanted to", and that POST > actually completed and the system has started the boot process,nes. I live in > a > group home. I play with netbsd. wow, that was a fascinating pasto that was completely unintended and not noticed before hitting "Send". I know where it came from, but not sure how. I don't work with OpenBSD, I live in a "normal" home, though I probably belong in a nice padded room with a really long-sleeved jacket. > then depends on where it stopped. Read through how the OpenBSD > boot process works on i386/amd64 in FAQ14 and see what didn't happen > and give us more detail. > > Nick. What it should have said is hopefully moderately obvious: > If you are using "POST" as a cool-sounding buzzword which means "I > didn't get to a command prompt like I wanted to", and that POST > actually completed and the system has started the boot process, > then depends on where it stopped. Read through how the OpenBSD > boot process works on i386/amd64 in FAQ14 and see what didn't happen > and give us more detail.
Re: USB key with OpenBSD - hangs at POST
Andrius V wrote: > Hello, > > I installed OpenBSD 4.6 (default install) into USB key (Patriot > Xporter XT 16GB). > However after install computer hangs during POST while USB key is inserted > (I tried several other computers but they also hanged). What have I done > wrong? > > Regards, > Andrius V based on the horribly scant and imprecise info provided, I think I can safely say, "no idea". However, I have found some USB keys as boot devices don't work in some computers, however the exact same key and same install works fine on other computers, and other USB keys work fine on the computer that didn't work. Go Figure. In that case, though, the system booted, but off its hard disk, it ignored the USB device (though once booted, the USB device was just fine). A fair number of newer-than-expected computers just can't boot from USB effectively. IF your description is accurate, that it hangs during POST, this is clearly NOT an OpenBSD problem, as OpenBSD is not yet booted, this is a hardware/BIOS problem. A BIOS upgrade might be the first order of business, twisting knobs in the BIOS setup might be the second. You might have a brain-dead BIOS which assumes that all USB devices must have FAT file systems on 'em, and if that's the case, you are out of luck. If you are using "POST" as a cool-sounding buzzword which means "I didn't get to a command prompt like I wanted to", and that POST actually completed and the system has started the boot process,nes. I live in a group home. I play with netbsd. then depends on where it stopped. Read through how the OpenBSD boot process works on i386/amd64 in FAQ14 and see what didn't happen and give us more detail. Nick.
Re: USB key with OpenBSD - hangs at POST
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Andrius V wrote: > Hello, > > I installed OpenBSD 4.6 (default install) into USB key (Patriot > Xporter XT 16GB). > However after install computer hangs during POST while USB key is inserted > (I tried several other computers but they also hanged). What have I done > wrong? > I seem to recall that disabling AHCI (aka SATA) in your BIOS can solve this. I've had a bunch of BIOSes hang on me like this. -Nick
USB key with OpenBSD - hangs at POST
Hello, I installed OpenBSD 4.6 (default install) into USB key (Patriot Xporter XT 16GB). However after install computer hangs during POST while USB key is inserted (I tried several other computers but they also hanged). What have I done wrong? Regards, Andrius V
