Re: UTF-8 text editor
Mackan wrote: Hi list! Is there any UTF-8-aware text editor (for terminal use) available for OpenBSD? Vi(m) and similar is out of question for me, I never learned those. I tried to compile latest nano from CVS, which support UTF-8, but with no luck. I get configure errors saying that my curses don't support unicode. Using 3.9/i386 with GENERIC. Suggestions anyone? xemacs21-mule in ports does UTF-8 among others. I'm using it to edit X.Org source files which are using UTF-8 encoded comments in C sources. I've this in my .xemacs/init.el to get proper recognition of UTF-8 files, but I'm not sure if it's still needed or not: ;;;-- ;;; UTF-8 (progn (require 'un-define) (set-coding-priority-list '(utf-8)) (set-coding-category-system 'utf-8 'utf-8)) -- Matthieu Herrb
UTF-8 text editor
Hi list! Is there any UTF-8-aware text editor (for terminal use) available for OpenBSD? Vi(m) and similar is out of question for me, I never learned those. I tried to compile latest nano from CVS, which support UTF-8, but with no luck. I get configure errors saying that my curses don't support unicode. Using 3.9/i386 with GENERIC. Suggestions anyone? Thanks, Mackan
Re: UTF-8 text editor
Mackan wrote: Is there any UTF-8-aware text editor (for terminal use) available for OpenBSD? qemacs from cvs works ok. - Full UTF8 support, including bidirectional editing respecting the Unicode bidi algorithm. Arabic and Indic scripts handling (in progress). qemacs is an emacs-clone # Han
Re: UTF-8 text editor
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there any UTF-8-aware text editor (for terminal use) available for OpenBSD? Vi(m) and similar is out of question for me, I never learned those. As ubiquitous as vi is on Unix, it seems a shallow reason. Really, it takes all of 15 minutes to pick up what you need for vi/vim. Install a copy somewhere and spend a few minutes on vimtutor and you should find it pretty straightforward. DS
Re: UTF-8 text editor
On 10 jul 2006, at 20.43, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there any UTF-8-aware text editor (for terminal use) available for OpenBSD? Vi(m) and similar is out of question for me, I never learned those. As ubiquitous as vi is on Unix, it seems a shallow reason. Really, it takes all of 15 minutes to pick up what you need for vi/ vim. Install a copy somewhere and spend a few minutes on vimtutor and you should find it pretty straightforward. DS You are probably right about that. We'll see. I just upgraded my server OS from Debian/Linux to OpenBSD. But it seems that in the case of Unicode-aware applications I made a big downgrade. I really want I simple editor with unicode, for myself and my users. Mackan
Re: UTF-8 text editor
Mackan wrote: On 10 jul 2006, at 20.43, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there any UTF-8-aware text editor (for terminal use) available for OpenBSD? Vi(m) and similar is out of question for me, I never learned those. As ubiquitous as vi is on Unix, it seems a shallow reason. Really, it takes all of 15 minutes to pick up what you need for vi/vim. Install a copy somewhere and spend a few minutes on vimtutor and you should find it pretty straightforward. DS You are probably right about that. We'll see. I just upgraded my server OS from Debian/Linux to OpenBSD. But it seems that in the case of Unicode-aware applications I made a big downgrade. I really want I simple editor with unicode, for myself and my users. Mackan What was lacking from Debian/Linux that made you decide to switch to OpenBSD?
Re: UTF-8 text editor
On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 09:12:37PM +0200, Mackan wrote: On 10 jul 2006, at 20.43, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there any UTF-8-aware text editor (for terminal use) available for OpenBSD? Vi(m) and similar is out of question for me, I never learned those. As ubiquitous as vi is on Unix, it seems a shallow reason. Really, it takes all of 15 minutes to pick up what you need for vi/ vim. Install a copy somewhere and spend a few minutes on vimtutor and you should find it pretty straightforward. DS You are probably right about that. We'll see. I just upgraded my server OS from Debian/Linux to OpenBSD. But it seems that in the case of Unicode-aware applications I made a big downgrade. I really want I simple editor with unicode, for myself and my users. As to Unicode, you are probably right. Which is not to say an internationalized OpenBSD isn't possible, but it's probably less built-in than in mainstream Linux distributions. Of course, Unicode is evil, and I for one am pretty happy to limit myself to straight ASCII for 99% of the text I type, and the latter 1% is fairly evenly split between 'inconvenient, but no deal-breaker', 'LaTeX can produce accented characters without me needing to leave the ASCII set' and 'well, this needs doing on a Wintel box anyway'[1]. Joachim [1] For ease of understanding for the rest of the world, I use a venerable Adobe Pagemaker for layout. I like LaTeX, but it's not the easiest program to teach to people, and probably not the most convenient for the more artsy layouts either. (Sort of like HTML, now that I think about it, except that I'm free to compile LaTeX on a non-sucky compiler and send someone the results, instead of being forced to cater for each bug in all major implementations... that, and it does formulas with something that can be described as 'elegance'.)
Re: UTF-8 text editor
On 10 jul 2006, at 21.54, Will H. Backman wrote: Mackan wrote: I just upgraded my server OS from Debian/Linux to OpenBSD. But it seems that in the case of Unicode-aware applications I made a big downgrade. I really want I simple editor with unicode, for myself and my users. Mackan What was lacking from Debian/Linux that made you decide to switch to OpenBSD? Nothing at all. Debian/Linux is a very functional and feature-rich OS. But I like OpenBSD because of its clean design, and being a more UNIX'ish OS. I decided to use it for my new server. Everything currently running on the old Debian box is now running on the new OpenBSD box. And If I could find a working utf-8 console editor everything would be perfect! Perhaps upgrade was the wrong word to use. Mackan
Re: UTF-8 text editor
Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, Unicode is evil, and I for one am pretty happy to limit myself to straight ASCII for 99% of the text I type No, unicode is not evil. Making ridiculous statements like that is evil. The millions of people who's languages are written in characters not in the ASCII charset should just be happy to limit themselves to ASCII too right? Adam
Re: UTF-8 text editor
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:27:42 +0200 Mackan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list! Is there any UTF-8-aware text editor (for terminal use) available for OpenBSD? Vi(m) and similar is out of question for me, I never learned those. I tried to compile latest nano from CVS, which support UTF-8, but with no luck. I get configure errors saying that my curses don't support unicode. Using 3.9/i386 with GENERIC. Suggestions anyone? I am using mcedit which is a part of Midnight Commander (mc). It is based upon cooledit which supports unicode. You can install it by using pkg_add mc or from ports. I work a lot with DocBook in UTF8 and I normally use Quanta+ but occasionally I need to make a quick change from a terminal. I then use mcedit. I find mcedit extremely user friendly and very easy to use. It has a very nice drop down menu if you press F9, which for example gives you spelling check via ISpell. Best and kind regards, Rico Thanks, Mackan
Re: UTF-8 text editor
Joachim Schipper wrote: Of course, Unicode is evil,... [1] For ease of understanding for the rest of the world, I use a venerable Adobe Pagemaker for layout. Erm, wrong on both counts. And for jeebus sake, think of the children next time you boot up pagemaker. Trust me, anyone who takes your pagemaker files hates your guts and wishes you would pony up for InDesign. -- jason
Re: UTF-8 text editor
Mackan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any UTF-8-aware text editor (for terminal use) available for OpenBSD? On the occasions where I've needed it, I've used ports/editors/vim as an UTF-8 text entry widget. I suspect it suffers severe shortcomings regarding composing characters in exotic writing systems, but it's good enough for flavors of Latin-Greek-Cyrillic. Vi(m) and similar is out of question for me, I never learned those. The basics of vi(1) are not hard. People could stand a bit more mental flexibility in that area. Over the years I've used Wordstar-style, UCSD-Pascal-style, Emacs-style, vi-style, and a few other editors and I have failed to form strong opinions about any of those styles. I tried to compile latest nano from CVS, which support UTF-8, but with no luck. I get configure errors saying that my curses don't support unicode. Yes, that is going to be a problem. In the past I've looked at yudit URL:http://www.yudit.org/, but despite its claim to being intuitive I couldn't quite make sense of it, so I never created a port. (I'm aware that this might seem ironic in the light of my remark above.) -- Christian naddy Weisgerber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
