Re: Wim
Hi Kili, On Thu, 02.04.2009 at 22:15:13 +0200, Matthias Kilian k...@outback.escape.de wrote: Wim *does* filter traffic from cvs.openbsd.org. At least on ports 25 and 80: $ telnet www.kd85.com 25 Trying 62.116.6.182... [nothing] Silly. So silly. I've seen many kinds of breakage, but right now, I can telnet to his server to port 25 from here. If you can't, then I tend to agree that port 25 is filtered. I also think that such kind of filtering - for policy reasons - is a stupid idea. -- Kind regards, --Toni++
Wim
This guy some of you think is so honest. He's filtering port 25 from cvs.openbsd.org. For what reason would he do that? Today was the first time I tried to mail him, cc'd to misc@openbsd.org, in a couple of months. So what's that all about? He's so honest, some of you think, because he bought you a beer. --n3263RVP013810.1238652361/cvs.openbsd.org ** ** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY ** ** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE ** ** The original message was received at Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:59:25 -0600 (MDT) from localhost [127.0.0.1] - Transcript of session follows - wvdpu...@kd85.com... Deferred: Connection timed out with ok13.kd85.com. Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours Will keep trying until message is 5 days old --n3263RVP013810.1238652361/cvs.openbsd.org Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; cvs.openbsd.org Arrival-Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:59:25 -0600 (MDT) Final-Recipient: RFC822; wvdpu...@kd85.com Action: delayed Status: 4.4.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; ok13.kd85.com Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 00:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Will-Retry-Until: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 19:59:25 -0600 (MDT) --n3263RVP013810.1238652361/cvs.openbsd.org Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: dera...@cvs.openbsd.org Received: from cvs.openbsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cvs.openbsd.org (8.14.3/8.12.1) with ESMTP id n321xOYL019813; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:59:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: 200904020159.n321xoyl019...@cvs.openbsd.org To: wvdpu...@kd85.com cc: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Where did the donation money go, Wim? Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 19:59:24 -0600 From: Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org I have been in commuinication with a few people who have told me stories that Wim received donations, obviously meant for the OpenBSD project, collected at European conference tables -- and that this money has not made it to the OpenBSD project. These reports are not coming from people who gave these donatiosn, but from people who collected them at tables and gave them to Wim to give to the project. [...]
Re: Wim
2009/4/2 Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org: This guy some of you think is so honest. He's filtering port 25 from cvs.openbsd.org. For what reason would he do that? Today was the first time I tried to mail him, cc'd to misc@openbsd.org, in a couple of months. So what's that all about? He's so honest, some of you think, because he bought you a beer. in a couple of months. So what's that all about? He's so honest, some of you think, because he bought you a beer. Hi Teo: Did you try to mail him to wim.vandepu...@gmail.com? This message appear in his web. Important: Email is working fine but because I use greylisting, if it's urgent, don't just email me at w...@kd85.com but also put wim.vandepu...@gmail.com in cc:. Greylisting inserts a 30 to 60 minute latency Humberto Pirez
Re: Where did the donation money go, Wim?
Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: I have been in commuinication with a few people who have told me stories that Wim received donations, obviously meant for the OpenBSD project, collected at European conference tables -- and that this money has not made it to the OpenBSD project. At all the European conference tables where I've been with Wim over the years, all the money from T-shirt, poster, CD sales *and* cash donations went into the same glass jar, and at the end of the day Wim collected the money. I don't know what happened afterwards and if Wim's accounting ever led him to separate out the donations money. -- Christian naddy Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de
Re: Where did the donation money go, Wim?
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 03:13:03PM +, Christian Weisgerber wrote: Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: I have been in commuinication with a few people who have told me stories that Wim received donations, obviously meant for the OpenBSD project, collected at European conference tables -- and that this money has not made it to the OpenBSD project. At all the European conference tables where I've been with Wim over the years, all the money from T-shirt, poster, CD sales *and* cash donations went into the same glass jar, and at the end of the day Wim collected the money. I don't know what happened afterwards and if Wim's accounting ever led him to separate out the donations money. I can't add much more. However, when I helped out at a conference (Linux Expo Live, held in london last october), similar things happened: There wasn't much in the way of donations (a few quid here and there for a lanyard), OpenBSD wasn't a major feature there. On the other hand, again the money went all went into the same jar with tshirt, cd etc sales. I've no idea what happened to it. -0- -- Larkinson's Law: All laws are basically false.
Re: Wim
Hi, On Thu, 02.04.2009 at 00:17:35 -0600, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: This guy some of you think is so honest. He's filtering port 25 from cvs.openbsd.org. did you try sending from a different server thereafter? I've seen a failure mode where a machine appears to be up, but slowly stops accepting ever more tcp connections over time, until the system comes to a grinding halt, the last thing being becoming unresponsive to ping and finally, console lockup, on several machines. They are all different hardware, but are intel or AMD CPUs. I've seen this for a long time (years), but have no way to reproduce it, and also no way to catch debug info in the actual cases (eg. boot crash doesn't do anything), and therefore not reported it, since you don't want incomplete bug reports. I was so far unable to detect a pattern. A machine usually runs fine for months, then takes a few hours or up to 2-3 days, to get into that state. If it happens, I can usually only press the reset button. If I may have a wish granted, then please, pretty please, try to keep USB, and especially USB keyboards, alive for as long as possible, because otherwise, I can't do anything in most cases of such a lockup. For what reason would he do that? I don't know, either, but since he's allegedly on the road, it might be difficult for him to fix it soonish, if it is a problem like the one described above. Kind regards, --Toni++
Re: Wim
On Thu, 02.04.2009 at 00:17:35 -0600, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: This guy some of you think is so honest. He's filtering port 25 from cvs.openbsd.org. did you try sending from a different server thereafter? I've seen a failure mode where a machine appears to be up, but slowly stops accepting ever more tcp connections over time, until the system comes to a grinding halt, the last thing being becoming unresponsive to ping and finally, console lockup, on several machines. They are all different hardware, but are intel or AMD CPUs. I've seen this for a long time (years), but have no way to reproduce it, and also no way to catch debug info in the actual cases (eg. boot crash doesn't do anything), and therefore not reported it, since you don't want incomplete bug reports. I was so far unable to detect a pattern. A machine usually runs fine for months, then takes a few hours or up to 2-3 days, to get into that state. If it happens, I can usually only press the reset button. thanks for lesson in how the Internet works.
Re: Wim
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 09:59:38PM +0200, Toni Mueller wrote: This guy some of you think is so honest. He's filtering port 25 from cvs.openbsd.org. did you try sending from a different server thereafter? Wim *does* filter traffic from cvs.openbsd.org. At least on ports 25 and 80: $ telnet www.kd85.com 25 Trying 62.116.6.182... [nothing] $ telnet www.kd85.com 80 Trying 62.116.6.182... [nothing] Silly. So silly. Ciao, Kili
Re: Wim
Come on!! 2009/4/2 Matthias Kilian k...@outback.escape.de: On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 09:59:38PM +0200, Toni Mueller wrote: This guy some of you think is so honest. He's filtering port 25 from cvs.openbsd.org. did you try sending from a different server thereafter? Wim *does* filter traffic from cvs.openbsd.org. At least on ports 25 and 80: $ telnet www.kd85.com 25 Trying 62.116.6.182... [nothing] $ telnet www.kd85.com 80 Trying 62.116.6.182... [nothing] Silly. So silly. Ciao, Kili
Re: Wim
Hi! On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 10:15:13PM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: Wim *does* filter traffic from cvs.openbsd.org. At least on ports 25 and 80: $ telnet www.kd85.com 25 Trying 62.116.6.182... [nothing] $ telnet www.kd85.com 80 Trying 62.116.6.182... [nothing] Port 80 works from a private dialup as well as a private rented server. Do you want to send mail to x...@*www.*kd85.com? I'd rather try the MX record of kd85.com, which is ok13.kd85.com. That worked for me too, from the same both sources (spamd's greeting with the first few octets stuttered). But JFTR, www.kd85.com also responds on 25, with a Sendmail greeting. Did you retry to double-check that it wasn't the machine being rebooted and just coming up pre-start of the daemons? Kind regards, Hannah.
Re: Wim
2009/4/2 Matthias Kilian k...@outback.escape.de: Wim *does* filter traffic from cvs.openbsd.org. At least on ports 25 and 80: $ telnet www.kd85.com 25 Trying 62.116.6.182... [nothing] By way of comparison -- this is from an Ubuntu PC NOT at cvs.openbsd.org: $ netstat -ie | grep inet\ addr inet addr:95.***.***.*** Bcast:95.***.***.*** Mask:255.***.***.*** inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 $ telnet www.kd85.com 25 Trying 62.116.6.182... Connected to spargel.kd85.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 spargel.kd85.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.8/8.13.6; Fri, 3 Apr 2009 00:26:06 +0200 (CEST) HELO podgeandrodge.ballydung.com 250 spargel.kd85.com Hello 95-***-***-***-***.***.*** [95.***.***.***] (may be forged), pleased to meet you MAIL FROM:podgeandspamandro...@ballydung.com 250 2.1.0 podgeandspamandro...@ballydung.com... Sender ok ^] telnet quit Connection closed. $ telnet www.kd85.com 80 Trying 62.116.6.182... [nothing] Also from here: $ telnet www.kd85.com 80 Trying 62.116.6.182... Connected to spargel.kd85.com. Escape character is '^]'. GET / HTTP/1.1 Host: www.kd85.com HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:11:41 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.29 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.16 OpenSSL/0.9.7j Transfer-Encoding: chunked Content-Type: text/html 1000 !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Final//EN link rev= made href= mailto:w...@kd85.com (...) $ date Fri Apr 3 00:30:35 CEST 2009 Any questions? Thanks and regards, --ropers
Re: Wim
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Hannah Schroeter han...@schlund.de wrote: On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 10:15:13PM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: Wim *does* filter traffic from cvs.openbsd.org. At least on ports 25 and 80: Port 80 works from a private dialup as well as a private rented server. The problem is a man in the middle attack stealing all the ARP packets from cvs.
Re: Wim
Hi! On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 06:48:48PM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Hannah Schroeter han...@schlund.de wrote: On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 10:15:13PM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: Wim *does* filter traffic from cvs.openbsd.org. At least on ports 25 and 80: Port 80 works from a private dialup as well as a private rented server. The problem is a man in the middle attack stealing all the ARP packets from cvs. That must be it. That I haven't thought of that... *rolls eyes* The gaping security hole in OpenBSD... *rolls eyes more* I can't sleep anymore as long as I keep running any OpenBSD host... SCNR, Hannah.
Re: Where did the donation money go, Wim?
(Linux Expo Live, held in london last october) Fun times... though that was a dead, unattended event. At other events there were eager punters who wanted OpenSSH/OpenBSD t-shirts, posters, cds, lanyards, soft toys, etc. Lots of 'em. There was no indication the proceeds were going anywhere other than to OpenBSD. Not for the buyers or the volunteer sellers. Sadly said.
Where did the donation money go, Wim?
I have been in commuinication with a few people who have told me stories that Wim received donations, obviously meant for the OpenBSD project, collected at European conference tables -- and that this money has not made it to the OpenBSD project. These reports are not coming from people who gave these donatiosn, but from people who collected them at tables and gave them to Wim to give to the project. The amounts are not large, but this should not be happening. These transactions happened after the last time that Wim transferred money to the project in April 8, 2008. These transactions could not have come to the project in any other way that we are aware of, since the Computer Shop and Wim stopped doing transfers of donation money directly quite a while back since there were problems with that system. There is no other way this money made it to the project that we can think of. So Wim, where is the donation money from those events? therefore, I would like a record of all donation money ever accepted into the Belgian Bank account on behalf of the OpenBSD project. You set up a special Belgian bank account just for this purpose, so I am certain you can provide me with the official bank statements so that I can check them over. I would also like a report about the money ever collected at conference events. If you cannot come up with exact figures, I will accept estimates. Thank you very much for getting that report to me soon. I know what you transferred to the project on Dec 15, 2006 and on April 8, 2008 (when you apparently closed that account), but I do not believe there is any possible way that the sum of donations for the entire period could only be so little. The amount seems extremely low, basically it boggles the mind to think that the Belgian account pulled in donations at less than 10% the rate that the replacement German bank account pulls it in. All this donation money received by you, of course, was not spent by you on anything for the OpenBSD project. How so? Ok, everyone stay with me for a second here and let me explain. When kd85 (Wim's company) was found to be very late in payments to the Computer Shop, Wim and Austin and I came to an agreement where all the previous OpenBSD project bills paid by Wim in Europe were requested by Austin, and then those bills were considered as credit against kd85's debt. All the spending kd85 / Wim did in the past which was approved by me was credited; and thus these things were paid for by the Computer Shop. Furthermore, the Computer Shop even accepted some bills that had not been approved; Austin convinced me to be generous in this regard. (The Computer Shop went further, and purchased back almost all of Wim's old CDs, too, as a credit against his debt). Yet even after that operation done last year, kd85's debt still remains substantial. Understand what this means -- it means all the things ever bought for the OpenBSD project in Europe were paid for by the Computer Shop. So I ask -- did you buy things for the project out of the Belgian donation account? Then, when the Computer Shop came asking for receipts, did you submit receipts which were in fact paid for by the donation account, but which the Computer Shop was now credited against your company's debt? You will surely say no, but I remain sceptical. I would also like an explanation of why two transactions of 5,000 EUR were made from the Belgian donation account with an annotation saying that they were paying for OpenBSD 4.1. The sale of OpenBSD CDs was a kd85 business, and had nothing to do with donations. So why would you have transferred money from the donation account to pay for a debt owed by your business? ps. If other people know of donations made to Wim since April of last year, please let me kno
Re: Where did the donation money go, Wim?
I need to correct a few details. I have been in commuinication with a few people who have told me stories that Wim received donations, obviously meant for the OpenBSD project, collected at European conference tables -- and that this money has not made it to the OpenBSD project. These reports are not coming from people who gave these donatiosn, but from people who collected them at tables and gave them to Wim to give to the project. The amounts are not large, but this should not be happening. These transactions happened after the last time that Wim transferred money to the project in April 8, 2008. These transactions could not have come to the project in any other way that we are aware of, since the Computer Shop and Wim stopped doing transfers of donation money directly quite a while back since there were problems with that system. There is no other way this money made it to the project that we can think of. So Wim, where is the donation money from those events? therefore, I would like a record of all donation money ever accepted into the Belgian Bank account on behalf of the OpenBSD project. You set up a special Belgian bank account just for this purpose, so I am certain you can provide me with the official bank statements so that I can check them over. I would also like a report about the money ever collected at conference events. If you cannot come up with exact figures, I will accept estimates. Thank you very much for getting that report to me soon. I know what you transferred to the project on Dec 15, 2006 and on April 8, 2008 (when you apparently closed that account), but I do not believe there is any possible way that the sum of donations for the entire period could only be so little. The amount seems extremely low, basically it boggles the mind to think that the Belgian account pulled in donations at less than 10% the rate that the replacement German bank account pulls it in. I now realize that I cannot exactly tell the source accounts apart from each other on the statements I have. But this is hardly relevant, since I have a mail saying that the donation account was set up seperately to not confuse it with kd85's business operation (ie. good fiscal practice). So the donation account records must be seperatable, and I want to see them. All this donation money received by you, of course, was not spent by you on anything for the OpenBSD project. How so? Ok, everyone stay with me for a second here and let me explain. When kd85 (Wim's company) was found to be very late in payments to the Computer Shop, Wim and Austin and I came to an agreement where all the previous OpenBSD project bills paid by Wim in Europe were requested by Austin, and then those bills were considered as credit against kd85's debt. All the spending kd85 / Wim did in the past which was approved by me was credited; and thus these things were paid for by the Computer Shop. Furthermore, the Computer Shop even accepted some bills that had not been approved; Austin convinced me to be generous in this regard. (The Computer Shop went further, and purchased back almost all of Wim's old CDs, too, as a credit against his debt). Yet even after that operation done last year, kd85's debt still remains substantial. Understand what this means -- it means all the things ever bought for the OpenBSD project in Europe were paid for by the Computer Shop. So I ask -- did you buy things for the project out of the Belgian donation account? Then, when the Computer Shop came asking for receipts, did you submit receipts which were in fact paid for by the donation account, but which the Computer Shop was now credited against your company's debt? You will surely say no, but I remain sceptical. I would also like an explanation of why two transactions of 5,000 EUR were made from the Belgian donation account with an annotation saying that they were paying for OpenBSD 4.1. The sale of OpenBSD CDs was these say OPENBSD 4.0 RELEASE PART I dated Feb 28, 2007 OPENBSD 4.0 RELEASEdated Mar 19, 2007 Oops, 4.0 not 4.1; a very late payment. Yet it still is not clear why the payment was sent to the German donation receiving account. Austin and I had to resolve this issue carefully, since I cannot receive payment for CDs, that is business. the payment was supposed to be made to the Computer Shop, since it is _CD sales business_ and does not involve me financially. a kd85 business, and had nothing to do with donations. So why would you have transferred money from the donation account to pay for a debt owed by your business? I now see that I cannot discern the exact accounts in use. But the final transfer is OVERBOEKING + CLOSING ACCOUNT for a total sum of donations from Europe of 2802.48 EUR, for a long enough time that this cannot be enough. And remember I also asked what happened to the conference table donations given to OpenBSD over
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