Re: ms exchange replacement
Joachim Schipper wrote: ... Sendmail is a lot better. And something like Postfix is even sane ;-). Indeed, you should already be running Postfix, Exim or Sendmail in front to collects, queue and store the messages and to limit contact with the net. However, integrating all that with a completely Microsoft-centric environment takes an unfun amount of work. Actually, I observe that integrating *anything*, including MS products, into a MS-centric environment takes an unfun amount of work for the support department and inflicts an unfun amount of overhead and wasted time on everyone else. In short, what do you really want to achieve? There are many good, standards-compliant, cross-platform calendar solutions, both open source and closed source. Just step away from MS. I hear even MeetingMaker is still out there. ... OSS offers plenty of groupware and some very good MTAs, but no real drop-in replacement for Exchange. I disagree. DVL seems a 1:1 replacement: http://librenix.com/?inode=10148 Regards, -Lars
Re: ms exchange replacement
Karsten McMinn wrote: On 10/2/07, Lord Sporkton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am looking into an exchange replacement, im looking to have use of calender appointments, tasks and mail all through a central server, also i have multiple windows based mobile devices syncing with this server, i wasnt able to find anything that looked like a exchange replacement in ports or pkgs quite a few options these days- kolab, horde (ports), mozilla +friends (ports), scalix, zimba, open-xchange, and opengroupware. sorts depends on how you define groupware. Not all of these in ports of course. When you say zimba, do you mean Zimbra http://www.zimbra.com/? If so, be aware that Yahoo! have acquired it so what the future holds is unclear: http://www.zimbra.com/about/yahoo_acquires_zimbra.html Mike
Re: ms exchange replacement
On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 10:31:49AM +0100, Mike Lott wrote: scalix, zimba, open-xchange, and opengroupware. sorts depends on how you define groupware. Not all of these in ports of course. I looked at all of them, tried Kolab and Opengroupware.org and: they all suck. I am now back to mutt and devtodo (cause I can). BTW: Does anyone happen to know of a mobile phone than _really_ synchronizes todo's and calendar with OpenBSD? I don't mind using command line tools or write a perl script around some tools ... -- Stephan A. Rickauer --- Institute of Neuroinformatics Tel +41 44 635 30 50 University / ETH Zurich Sec +41 44 635 30 52 Winterthurerstrasse 190 Fax +41 44 635 30 53 CH-8057 ZurichWeb www.ini.unizh.ch RSA public key: https://www.ini.uzh.ch/~stephan/pubkey.asc ---
Re: ms exchange replacement
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, mcb, inc. wrote: On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, bofh wrote: Is there even anything that's a full sexchange replacement? Postpath did a reverse engineering job on exchange and has what is reputed to be a full replacement. Effort must have left quite a few engineers with brain damage... Zimbra seems to be just that, .. an associate of ours is actually offerring Exchange replacement as an ASP with it. Lee Leland V. Lammert[EMAIL PROTECTED] Chief Scientist Omnitec Corporation Network/Internet Consultants www.omnitec.net
Re: ms exchange replacement
On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 11:06:00AM -0700, Lord Sporkton wrote: i am looking into an exchange replacement, im looking to have use of calender appointments, tasks and mail all through a central server, also i have multiple windows based mobile devices syncing with this server, i wasnt able to find anything that looked like a exchange replacement in ports or pkgs this is on 4.1 release was hoping someone here had experience with such and could give suggestions on some i might look into If you want Exchange, with all the Microsoft-integration that it can provide, just run Exchange. Just don't ask me to admin it, put a sane MTA in front, and make sure not to misconfigure it too badly. Yes, as Karsten pointed out, there is quite a bit of open source groupware available, and quite a few of those are in ports (and porting the rest is not necessarily difficult). And there are plenty of MTAs that are much less brain-damaged than Exchange; OpenBSD's default Sendmail is a lot better. And something like Postfix is even sane ;-). However, integrating all that with a completely Microsoft-centric environment takes an unfun amount of work. In short, what do you really want to achieve? OSS offers plenty of groupware and some very good MTAs, but no real drop-in replacement for Exchange. Joachim -- TFMotD: bce (4) - Broadcom BCM4401 10/100 Ethernet device
Re: ms exchange replacement
At 10:59 PM 10/2/2007 +0200, Joachim Schipper wrote: On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 11:06:00AM -0700, Lord Sporkton wrote: i am looking into an exchange replacement, im looking to have use of calender appointments, tasks and mail all through a central server, also i have multiple windows based mobile devices syncing with this server, i wasnt able to find anything that looked like a exchange replacement in ports or pkgs this is on 4.1 release was hoping someone here had experience with such and could give suggestions on some i might look into If you want Exchange, with all the Microsoft-integration that it can provide, just run Exchange. Just don't ask me to admin it, put a sane MTA in front, and make sure not to misconfigure it too badly. However, integrating all that with a completely Microsoft-centric environment takes an unfun amount of work. In short, what do you really want to achieve? OSS offers plenty of groupware and some very good MTAs, but no real drop-in replacement for Exchange. Sorry, but Zimbra is alive and well and a great replacement for Exchange. Contact me offline if anyone would like a referral to a service provider - here is my associates comment [he has been part of the Zimbra project for three years] on the acquisition by Yahoo: Zimbra will be proceeding down a faster development path with the Yahoo acquisition! Y! paid about $350m and locked in the core executive team for 3-5 years (depending upon individual) and plan to remain true to their open source roots. They view Zimbra as the way to tackle Google Apps - offering both hosted (small biz) and on- site/dedicated hosting. Lee
ms exchange replacement
i am looking into an exchange replacement, im looking to have use of calender appointments, tasks and mail all through a central server, also i have multiple windows based mobile devices syncing with this server, i wasnt able to find anything that looked like a exchange replacement in ports or pkgs this is on 4.1 release was hoping someone here had experience with such and could give suggestions on some i might look into thank you -- -Lawrence -Student ID 1028219
Re: ms exchange replacement
On 10/2/07, Lord Sporkton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am looking into an exchange replacement, im looking to have use of calender appointments, tasks and mail all through a central server, also i have multiple windows based mobile devices syncing with this server, i wasnt able to find anything that looked like a exchange replacement in ports or pkgs quite a few options these days- kolab, horde (ports), mozilla +friends (ports), scalix, zimba, open-xchange, and opengroupware. sorts depends on how you define groupware. Not all of these in ports of course.
Re: ms exchange replacement
On 10/2/07, Karsten McMinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/2/07, Lord Sporkton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am looking into an exchange replacement, im looking to have use of calender appointments, tasks and mail all through a central server, also i have multiple windows based mobile devices syncing with this server, i wasnt able to find anything that looked like a exchange replacement in ports or pkgs quite a few options these days- kolab, horde (ports), mozilla +friends (ports), scalix, zimba, open-xchange, and opengroupware. sorts depends on how you define groupware. Not all of these in ports of course. opengroupware is not fun. i have to maintain (keep running) an ogo-installation (on linux), the inner workings are rather opaque, the documentation is sparse and it leaks memory and performance left and right. but if you have mail trouble, you can look at the underlaying smtp and imap servers and actually fix things, much more transparent than exchange (of which i also have some instances to look after) greetings, knitti
Re: ms exchange replacement
Is there even anything that's a full sexchange replacement? I'm aware of a group that runs around replacing large sexchange installations with linux running on BigIron, so there may be feasible replacements. Is your issue sexchange or LookOut? On 10/2/07, knitti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/2/07, Karsten McMinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/2/07, Lord Sporkton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am looking into an exchange replacement, im looking to have use of calender appointments, tasks and mail all through a central server, also i have multiple windows based mobile devices syncing with this server, i wasnt able to find anything that looked like a exchange replacement in ports or pkgs quite a few options these days- kolab, horde (ports), mozilla +friends (ports), scalix, zimba, open-xchange, and opengroupware. sorts depends on how you define groupware. Not all of these in ports of course. opengroupware is not fun. i have to maintain (keep running) an ogo-installation (on linux), the inner workings are rather opaque, the documentation is sparse and it leaks memory and performance left and right. but if you have mail trouble, you can look at the underlaying smtp and imap servers and actually fix things, much more transparent than exchange (of which i also have some instances to look after) greetings, knitti -- This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity. -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation.
Re: ms exchange replacement
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, bofh wrote: Is there even anything that's a full sexchange replacement? Postpath did a reverse engineering job on exchange and has what is reputed to be a full replacement. Effort must have left quite a few engineers with brain damage... m -- Monty Brandenberg, Software Consultant MCB, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.O. Box 426188 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cambridge, MA 02142-0021 617.864.6907
Re: ms exchange replacement
I believe my issue would be sexchange, i wish to use existing outlook installations, non-outlook clients and windows mobile devices with this server. im mostly in need of the features is offers such as calenders, tasks, and sync'd contacts, otherwise i would just use plain imap. On 02/10/2007, bofh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there even anything that's a full sexchange replacement? I'm aware of a group that runs around replacing large sexchange installations with linux running on BigIron, so there may be feasible replacements. Is your issue sexchange or LookOut? On 10/2/07, knitti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/2/07, Karsten McMinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/2/07, Lord Sporkton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am looking into an exchange replacement, im looking to have use of calender appointments, tasks and mail all through a central server, also i have multiple windows based mobile devices syncing with this server, i wasnt able to find anything that looked like a exchange replacement in ports or pkgs quite a few options these days- kolab, horde (ports), mozilla +friends (ports), scalix, zimba, open-xchange, and opengroupware. sorts depends on how you define groupware. Not all of these in ports of course. opengroupware is not fun. i have to maintain (keep running) an ogo-installation (on linux), the inner workings are rather opaque, the documentation is sparse and it leaks memory and performance left and right. but if you have mail trouble, you can look at the underlaying smtp and imap servers and actually fix things, much more transparent than exchange (of which i also have some instances to look after) greetings, knitti -- This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity. -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. -- -Lawrence -Student ID 1028219
