Re: multimode fiber card recs for OpenBGPD

2007-10-25 Thread Jörg Streckfuß
Am Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:25:32 +0200
schrieb Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 * N.J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-10-24 19:28]:
  I have two servers that I would like to setup to run OpenBGPD for our
  border routers.
 
  I need to find a supported PCIe (not PCI-X) fiber card that runs
  multi-mode and a supported PCIe (not PCI-X) fiber card that runs
  single-mode. (One of our providers is coming to us with mm, the other
  with sm.)
 
  A dual port card is preferable, but we will take single port cards if
  those are the only ones available.
 
  Any recommendations? The supported cards page on the OpenBSD site only
  lists PCI-X cards.

 i have some pcie-ems, there are pcie-bnxs, and certainly others. fibre
 limits your options. i usually terminate wan fibres on a switch and use
 copper or plain sx (really just copper these days) to the routers - has
 the disadvantage that you don't see link state changes directly, has
 the advantage of added flexibility and just connecting two machines for
 redundancy reasons (details differ a lot depending on environment).

 that said, it shouldn't be too hard to find a pcie-sx card. lx could
 get hairy.



Just one question. If you terminate the wan fibre on a switch and put a
redundant router behind it, the switch himself turns out to be a single
point of failure, right?

Or do you have a second uplink which terminates on a second switch which is
also connected to the same carp router?

Joerg.

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Re: multimode fiber card recs for OpenBGPD

2007-10-25 Thread Henning Brauer
* J??rg Streckfu?? [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-10-25 16:16]:
 Just one question. If you terminate the wan fibre on a switch and put a
 redundant router behind it, the switch himself turns out to be a single
 point of failure, right?

yes.

 Or do you have a second uplink which terminates on a second switch which is
 also connected to the same carp router?

exactly that is what I usually do, spread uplinks over the two 
switches, interconnect the two switches, and connect one router to 
each switch. To what extent carp is beeing used depends on a number of 
factors, if I can I prefer two distinct bgp sessions. Which still means 
running carp on the inside / customer facing.

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multimode fiber card recs for OpenBGPD

2007-10-24 Thread N.J. Thomas
I have two servers that I would like to setup to run OpenBGPD for our
border routers.

I need to find a supported PCIe (not PCI-X) fiber card that runs
multi-mode and a supported PCIe (not PCI-X) fiber card that runs
single-mode. (One of our providers is coming to us with mm, the other
with sm.)

A dual port card is preferable, but we will take single port cards if
those are the only ones available.

Any recommendations? The supported cards page on the OpenBSD site only
lists PCI-X cards.

thanks,
Thomas

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Re: multimode fiber card recs for OpenBGPD

2007-10-24 Thread Henning Brauer
* N.J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-10-24 19:28]:
 I have two servers that I would like to setup to run OpenBGPD for our
 border routers.
 
 I need to find a supported PCIe (not PCI-X) fiber card that runs
 multi-mode and a supported PCIe (not PCI-X) fiber card that runs
 single-mode. (One of our providers is coming to us with mm, the other
 with sm.)
 
 A dual port card is preferable, but we will take single port cards if
 those are the only ones available.
 
 Any recommendations? The supported cards page on the OpenBSD site only
 lists PCI-X cards.

i have some pcie-ems, there are pcie-bnxs, and certainly others. fibre 
limits your options. i usually terminate wan fibres on a switch and use 
copper or plain sx (really just copper these days) to the routers - has 
the disadvantage that you don't see link state changes directly, has 
the advantage of added flexibility and just connecting two machines for 
redundancy reasons (details differ a lot depending on environment).

that said, it shouldn't be too hard to find a pcie-sx card. lx could 
get hairy.


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Re: multimode fiber card recs for OpenBGPD

2007-10-24 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 10:25:32PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote:
 * N.J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-10-24 19:28]:
  I have two servers that I would like to setup to run OpenBGPD for our
  border routers.
  
  I need to find a supported PCIe (not PCI-X) fiber card that runs
  multi-mode and a supported PCIe (not PCI-X) fiber card that runs
  single-mode. (One of our providers is coming to us with mm, the other
  with sm.)
  
  A dual port card is preferable, but we will take single port cards if
  those are the only ones available.
  
  Any recommendations? The supported cards page on the OpenBSD site only
  lists PCI-X cards.
 
 i have some pcie-ems, there are pcie-bnxs, and certainly others. fibre 
 limits your options. i usually terminate wan fibres on a switch and use 
 copper or plain sx (really just copper these days) to the routers - has 
 the disadvantage that you don't see link state changes directly, has 
 the advantage of added flexibility and just connecting two machines for 
 redundancy reasons (details differ a lot depending on environment).
 
 that said, it shouldn't be too hard to find a pcie-sx card. lx could 
 get hairy.
 
 

http://www.transtec.co.uk/ they have em(4) based cards with sx and lx (lx
only as pci-x for some strange reason). The also offer msk(4) cards with
sx and lx but those are pci-x only.

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