Re: Music + NFS == skipping?

2010-07-05 Thread Alexandre Ratchov
On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 02:53:01AM -0400, Corey J. Bukolt wrote:
 Hi list,
 
 So far I have been able to get OpenBSD running nicely as my primary desktop
 with the only hitch being my NFS mounted music skips occasionally.  I'm
 pretty sure it's not the NFS server since my Linux laptop has the same setup
 and doesn't skip.  I'm using mpd to play the music, with a gigbit connection
 leading to a dedicated file server which has practically no load.  Already
 gone over mount_nfs(8) and tried a whole bunch of different options with no 
 luck. 
 
 One point of interest is that it seems the longer I keep the share mounted,
 the worse it gets starting with mildy iritating (0-1 skips per song) to very
 annoying (4 or more skips per song) and after remounting it resets for about
 an hour.
 
 The obvious solution would be to just copy my music locally, but I would
 very much rather not.
 

I use NFS for music since years it always worked, but the
server is running OpenBSD in my case.

I guess your NFS server makes short pauses that cause the
player to not produce audio samples fast enough.

could you try using mpg321 and/or ogg123 on NFS
mounted files to see if skips occur? If so, does using
aucat in server mode help ?

-- Alexandre



PF rtable on 1st July i386 -current not working

2010-07-05 Thread Insan Praja SW

Hi Misc@,
Recently I've updated my routers kernel to 1t July i386 current. Rulesets  
like:



pass in quick log on $int_if inet from pool_internal to !internal  
rtable 2 keep state (sloppy source-track global) tag INTERNAL_OUT queue  
(internal int_ack)
pass in quick log on $int_if inet proto {tcp udp} from internal to  
$dns_servers port {domain} keep state (sloppy source-track global) tag  
INTERNAL_OUT queue (internal int_ack)

Anything I should do?


Thanks,

DMESG:

OpenBSD 4.7-current (GENERIC.MP) #18: Thu Jul  1 01:16:34 WIT 2010

r...@greenrouter-jkt01.mygreenlinks.net:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP
RTC BIOS diagnostic error ffixed_disk,invalid_time
cpu0: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3220 @ 2.40GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 2.41  
GHz
cpu0:  
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,S

SE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM
real mem  = 2142744576 (2043MB)
avail mem = 2098540544 (2001MB)
RTC BIOS diagnostic error ffixed_disk,invalid_time
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 03/26/07, SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @  
0x7fbe4000 (43 entries)
bios0: vendor Intel Corporation version  
S3000.86B.02.00.0054.061120091710 date 06/11/2009

bios0: Intel S3000AH
acpi0 at bios0: rev 2
acpi0: tables DSDT SLIC FACP APIC WDDT HPET MCFG ASF! SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT  
SSDT HEST BERT ERST EINJ
acpi0: wakeup devices SLPB(S4) P32_(S4) UAR1(S1) PEX4(S4) PEX5(S4)  
UHC1(S1) UHC2(S1) UHC3(S1) UHC4(S1) EHCI(S1) AC9M(S4) AZAL(S4)

acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: apic clock running at 266MHz
cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 2 (application processor)
cpu1: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3220 @ 2.40GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 2.41  
GHz
cpu1:  
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,S

SE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM
cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor)
cpu2: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3220 @ 2.40GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 2.41  
GHz
cpu2:  
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,S

SE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM
cpu3 at mainbus0: apid 3 (application processor)
cpu3: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3220 @ 2.40GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 2.41  
GHz
cpu3:  
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,S

SE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 5 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins
ioapic0: misconfigured as apic 0, remapped to apid 5
acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz
acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0)
acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 4 (P32_)
acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 1 (PEX0)
acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus -1 (PEX1)
acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus -1 (PEX2)
acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus -1 (PEX3)
acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus 2 (PEX4)
acpiprt7 at acpi0: bus 3 (PEX5)
acpicpu0 at acpi0: PSS
acpicpu1 at acpi0: PSS
acpicpu2 at acpi0: PSS
acpicpu3 at acpi0: PSS
acpibtn0 at acpi0: SLPB
bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x9000
cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 2401 MHz: speeds: 2394, 1596 MHz
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios)
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Intel E7230 Host rev 0x00
ppb0 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 Intel 82801GB PCIE rev 0x01: apic 5 int  
17 (irq 255)

pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 4 Intel 82801G PCIE rev 0x01: apic 5 int 17  
(irq 255)

pci2 at ppb1 bus 2
em0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 Intel PRO/1000 PT (82571EB) rev 0x06: apic  
5 int 16 (irq 9), address 00:15:17:86:51:72
em1 at pci2 dev 0 function 1 Intel PRO/1000 PT (82571EB) rev 0x06: apic  
5 int 17 (irq 10), address 00:15:17:86:51:73
ppb2 at pci0 dev 28 function 5 Intel 82801G PCIE rev 0x01: apic 5 int 16  
(irq 255)

pci3 at ppb2 bus 3
em2 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 Intel PRO/1000MT (82573E) rev 0x03: apic 5  
int 17 (irq 10), address 00:15:17:49:03:b3

Intel 82573E Serial rev 0x03 at pci3 dev 0 function 3 not configured
Intel 82573E KCS rev 0x03 at pci3 dev 0 function 4 not configured
uhci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 Intel 82801GB USB rev 0x01: apic 5 int  
23 (irq 11)
uhci1 at pci0 dev 29 function 1 Intel 82801GB USB rev 0x01: apic 5 int  
19 (irq 11)
uhci2 at pci0 dev 29 function 2 Intel 82801GB USB rev 0x01: apic 5 int  
18 (irq 11)
uhci3 at pci0 dev 29 function 3 Intel 82801GB USB rev 0x01: apic 5 int  
16 (irq 9)
ehci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 7 Intel 82801GB USB rev 0x01: apic 5 int  
23 (irq 11)

ehci0: timed out waiting for BIOS
usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0
uhub0 at usb0 Intel EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1
ppb3 at pci0 dev 30 function 0 Intel 82801BA Hub-to-PCI rev 0xe1
pci4 at ppb3 bus 4
skc0 at pci4 dev 0 function 0 D-Link DGE-530T B1 rev 0x11, Yukon Lite  
(0x9): apic 5 int 21 (irq 11)

sk0 at skc0 port A: address 00:1e:58:9a:99:65
eephy0 at sk0 phy 0: 88E1011 Gigabit PHY, rev. 5
skc1 at 

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Filter on a CARP (active/passive) firewall

2010-07-05 Thread Massimo Lusetti
Hi guys,
  I read on the OpenBSD PF's FAQ this statement:

Ruleset Tips

Filter the physical interface. As far as PF is concerned, network
traffic comes from the physical interface, not the CARP virtual
interface (i.e., carp0). So, write your rule sets accordingly. Don't
forget that an interface name in a PF rule can be either the name of a
physical interface or an address associated with that interface. For
example, this rule could be correct: pass in on fxp0 inet proto tcp
from any to carp0 port 22 but replacing the fxp0 with carp0 would not
work as you desire.

I would ask if using the group names instead of the physical interface
has some draw backs, cause i find it easier to understand.
I'm also giving the same group name to the carp interface so i can see
all my IPs with ifconfig group_name.

Am I missing something abvious?

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matching escape string , doesn't work ?

2010-07-05 Thread Aaron Lewis
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Hi,
echo %A3 | sed 's/(%[0-9A-Z]{2})//g'

I'd like %A3 like string to be removed , what's wrong with my script ?

Thanks.


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Re: Adding custom XKB layout

2010-07-05 Thread czarkoff
czark...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need to add a custom XKB layout to use (it actually is commited to
 xkb-config now, but not released yet).

 With the xkb-config 1.8 I had to patch xkb/rules/base.xml and symbols/??
 files.

 As I can't find neither base.xml nor xkb-config version used in 4.7, I am
 confused. I've already patched my xkb configs, but what should I edit to make
 X see my new layouts in symbols/?? files?

I actually found out on the internet that I should edit
/etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst and /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.xml. After editing
both of them I've got:

% setxkbmap -rules xorg -layout us,ru -variant serbian,serbian -v 10 
Setting verbose level to 10
locale is C
Warning! Multiple definitions of rules file
 Using command line, ignoring X server
Warning! Multiple definitions of keyboard layout
 Using command line, ignoring X server
Warning! Multiple definitions of layout variant
 Using command line, ignoring X server
Applied rules from xorg:
model:  pc105
layout: us,ru
variant:serbian,serbian
options:grp:caps_toggle
Trying to build keymap using the following components:
keycodes:   xfree86+aliases(qwerty)
types:  complete
compat: complete+ledcaps(group_lock)
symbols:
pc/pc(pc105)+pc/us(serbian)+pc/ru(serbian):2+group(caps_toggle)+group(caps_toggle)
geometry:   pc(pc105)
Error loading new keyboard description

The us and ru files in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/ are patched, the same setup
works as of xorg 1.7. Both layouts included to /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst and
/etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.xml.

Does anyone know where should I read about that or what sould I do elsewise?

--
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff



Re: matching escape string , doesn't work ?

2010-07-05 Thread Bret S. Lambert
On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 06:35:01PM +0800, Aaron Lewis wrote:
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 Hi,
   echo %A3 | sed 's/(%[0-9A-Z]{2})//g'
 
   I'd like %A3 like string to be removed , what's wrong with my script ?
 

According to the sed manpage, it doesn't use {} in this way; you seem
to be using the wrong syntax (although sed veterans can likely give a
more thorough answer).

try sed 's/%[0-9A-Z][0-9A-Z]//g'(minus any typos/thinkos on my part)

   Thanks.
 
 
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[SOLVED] Re: matching escape string , doesn't work ?

2010-07-05 Thread Aaron Lewis
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On 07/05/2010 06:42 PM, Bret S. Lambert wrote:
 sed 's/%[0-9A-Z][0-9A-Z]//g'

Thanks , and same for VIM.

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Re: matching escape string , doesn't work ?

2010-07-05 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 06:35:01PM +0800, Aaron Lewis wrote:

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 Hi,
   echo %A3 | sed 's/(%[0-9A-Z]{2})//g'
 
   I'd like %A3 like string to be removed , what's wrong with my script ?

sed uses basic re's by default. Gnu sed implements { } by default as
an extensiomn to Posix, we do not. use -E. 


-Otto



Re: matching escape string , doesn't work ?

2010-07-05 Thread William Boshuck
On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 12:42:51PM +0200, Bret S. Lambert wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 06:35:01PM +0800, Aaron Lewis wrote:
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  Hi,
  echo %A3 | sed 's/(%[0-9A-Z]{2})//g'
  
  I'd like %A3 like string to be removed , what's wrong with my script ?
  
 
 According to the sed manpage, it doesn't use {} in this way; you seem
 to be using the wrong syntax (although sed veterans can likely give a
 more thorough answer).
 
 try   sed 's/%[0-9A-Z][0-9A-Z]//g'(minus any typos/thinkos on my part)

sed(1) uses basic regular expressions (see re_format(7) for
details).  In particular, you should prepend with a backslash
the parentheses and braces in the original example, although
the parentheses are superfluous for the stated purpose.  If
you want to use bounds, then

echo %A3 | sed 's/%[0-9A-Z]\{2\}//g' 

will do.



Re: PF rtable on 1st July i386 -current not working

2010-07-05 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 02:39:11PM +0700, Insan Praja SW wrote:
 Hi Misc@,
 Recently I've updated my routers kernel to 1t July i386 current.
 Rulesets like:
 
 
 pass in quick log on $int_if inet from pool_internal to
 !internal rtable 2 keep state (sloppy source-track global) tag
 INTERNAL_OUT queue (internal int_ack)
 pass in quick log on $int_if inet proto {tcp udp} from internal to
 $dns_servers port {domain} keep state (sloppy source-track global)
 tag INTERNAL_OUT queue (internal int_ack)
 Anything I should do?
 

Please be more precise. What does not work. Do the rules not match, does
it not log, does it not move the traffic to rtable 2 or is there a problem
with altq?

With this little information I guess nobody is willing to try to figure
out what may go wrong.

-- 
:wq Claudio



Re: Donation issues with OpenBSD…

2010-07-05 Thread Kent R. Spillner
 One interesting thing I have noticed about some Americans is the need
 to
expose their opinions, no matter how right or wrong, *or
 unnecessary*
 

They honestly believe their opinions are of value and everyone should
 listen
to them, without any qualifications.

Thanks for sharing your opinion on the
matter with the list!

 I blame the education system that places a priority
on self esteem (at
 least one state has an actual law where the school
*must* promote a
 student up to the next grade after a kid has been in a
grade for 3
 years, even if the kid refuses to learn and constantly fails -
reason
 - it could hurt their self esteem if you hold them back too much)

 Apparently I'm full of shit.

You don't say...



[SOLVED] Re: matching escape string , doesn't work ?

2010-07-05 Thread Aaron Lewis
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On 07/05/2010 07:18 PM, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 06:35:01PM +0800, Aaron Lewis wrote:
 
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 Hi,
  echo %A3 | sed 's/(%[0-9A-Z]{2})//g'

  I'd like %A3 like string to be removed , what's wrong with my script ?
 
 sed uses basic re's by default. Gnu sed implements { } by default as
 an extensiomn to Posix, we do not. use -E. 
 
 
   -Otto

Understand , i'd notice it.


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[SOLVED] Re: matching escape string , doesn't work ?

2010-07-05 Thread Aaron Lewis
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On 07/05/2010 07:18 PM, William Boshuck wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 12:42:51PM +0200, Bret S. Lambert wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 06:35:01PM +0800, Aaron Lewis wrote:
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 Hi,
 echo %A3 | sed 's/(%[0-9A-Z]{2})//g'

 I'd like %A3 like string to be removed , what's wrong with my script ?


 According to the sed manpage, it doesn't use {} in this way; you seem
 to be using the wrong syntax (although sed veterans can likely give a
 more thorough answer).

 try  sed 's/%[0-9A-Z][0-9A-Z]//g'(minus any typos/thinkos on my part)
 
 sed(1) uses basic regular expressions (see re_format(7) for
 details).  In particular, you should prepend with a backslash
 the parentheses and braces in the original example, although
 the parentheses are superfluous for the stated purpose.  If
 you want to use bounds, then
 
 echo %A3 | sed 's/%[0-9A-Z]\{2\}//g' 
 
 will do.

Yep , should escape it , that's the problem


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Re: PF rtable on 1st July i386 -current not working

2010-07-05 Thread Insan Praja SW

Hi All,
On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:56:44 +0700, Claudio Jeker  
cje...@diehard.n-r-g.com wrote:



On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 02:39:11PM +0700, Insan Praja SW wrote:

Hi Misc@,
Recently I've updated my routers kernel to 1t July i386 current.
Rulesets like:


pass in quick log on $int_if inet from pool_internal to
!internal rtable 2 keep state (sloppy source-track global) tag
INTERNAL_OUT queue (internal int_ack)
pass in quick log on $int_if inet proto {tcp udp} from internal to
$dns_servers port {domain} keep state (sloppy source-track global)
tag INTERNAL_OUT queue (internal int_ack)
Anything I should do?



Please be more precise. What does not work. Do the rules not match, does
it not log, does it not move the traffic to rtable 2 or is there a  
problem

with altq?


Obviously not with altq, I resolve the problem by changing the syntax from  
using rtable to using route-to. into something from;
pass in quick log on $int_if inet from pool_internal to !internal  
rtable 2 keep state (sloppy source-track global) tag INTERNAL_OUT queue  
(internal int_ack)


to;
pass in quick log on $int_if inet from pool_internal to !internal keep  
state (sloppy source-track global) route-to ($rtable_ext rtable_def_gtw)  
tag INTERNAL_OUT queue (internal int_ack)


and it works.

With this little information I guess nobody is willing to try to figure
out what may go wrong.


Thanks,


--
insandotpraja(at)gmaildotcom



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Update on altq and interface groups

2010-07-05 Thread Olivier Mehani
Hi list,

I know this question has been asked before, but I'm after an up-to-date
answer, or at least a confirmation.

Has support for interface groups been implemented for altq? By that, I mean
the
possibility to use an interface group name with baltq on GROUPb to set up
similar queues for each of the interfaces of the group. This could be used to
not have to explicitly name the interfaces but rather refer to their current
role. The outgoing traffic for all the interfaces could also be classified
with
only one ruleset of bpass out on GROUPbs.

Unfortunately, the changelogs and my small experiments (see below) seem to
hint that
it's not supported. But maybe I'm (doing it) wrong?

opera...@mudrublic:~$ /sbin/ifconfig
lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 33200
(...)
ath0: flags=8963UP,BROADCAST,NOTRAILERS,RUNNING,PROMISC,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST
mtu 1500
(...)
groups: wlan internal
(...)
sis0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
(...)
groups: egress
(...)

Relevant beginning of pfctl.conf:

UPLINK_BANDWIDTH = 90Mb
set skip on lo
set loginterface public
altq on egress priq bandwidth $UPLINK_BANDWIDTH queue {std_out,
interactive_out, dns_out, tcp_ack_out}
queue std_out priq(default)
queue interactive_out priority 4 prirq(red)
queue dns_out priority 5
queue tcp_ack_out priority 6
(...)
pass out on egress proto tcp to any flags S/SA keep state queue(std_out,
tcp_ack_out)
pass out on egress proto { tcp udp } to any port domain keep state queue
dns_out
pass out on egress proto tcp to any port ssh flags S/SA keep state
queue(std_out, interactive_out)


$ sudo pfctl -vf /etc/pf.conf
set skip on { lo }
set loginterface public
UPLINK_BANDWIDTH = 90Mb
pfctl: SIOCGIFMTU: Device not configured

This error doesn't happen if I replace egress with sis0 in the baltq onb
line
(pretty bad omen, I guess...).

$ uname -a
OpenBSD mudrublic.narf.ssji.net 4.6 GENERIC#58 i386

Thanks.

--
Olivier Mehani sht...@ssji.net
PGP fingerprint: 4435 CF6A 7C8D DD9B E2DE  F5F9 F012 A6E2 98C6 6655

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shape bandwidth per user for all users

2010-07-05 Thread Olivier Mehani
Hi again,

I have a router with two wireless cards. As I always enjoy the odd open
AP to check my emails on the go, I decided I'd reciprocate. I thus have
configured one of the Wi-Fi interface as open.

However, I wouldn't want people to abuse this bservice.b I put it there
for them to check their emails, not download big amounts of data (which
is also capped to a given monthly volume by my ISP).

My goal is then to shape the bandwidth on this network (by not putting
packets on the wireless network as fast as they could, thus forcing the
tranport to adapt) using AltQ. However, rather than setting a global
limit, I'd rather set a limit per user (I assume one user equals one IP
here, all limitations and flaws considered).

I've been reading docs and tutorial (and still am), but I can't figure a
way to limit each user to, say, 500Kb/s* without explicitly creating as
many queues as possible IP addresses in the network, disregarding that
500Kb for 253** users would just saturate the network. Of course, I
don't want them to be able to borrow any of the remaining bandwidth
either.

In summary, in a network with 11Mbps with, say three visitors, each of
them can get 500Kb/s download, and nothing more. If all of them use it,
the network will see 1.5Mb/s of its bandwidth occupied (and so will my
uplink), while the other 8.5 (out of the 90% of 11Mb/s) will remain
blissfully unused, waiting for another user (or the same user with yet
another device).

Is there a concise and elegant way to define such a ruleset?

Thanks again!

* Actually, maybe I should reconsider this value.
** I don't want to think about IPv6 if I have to write this ruleset
manually (;

--
Olivier Mehani sht...@ssji.net
PGP fingerprint: 4435 CF6A 7C8D DD9B E2DE  F5F9 F012 A6E2 98C6 6655

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Fw: TantraMag.com

2010-07-05 Thread Chris J Brady
--- On Mon, 5/7/10, Chris J Brady chrisjbr...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From:
Chris J Brady chrisjbr...@yahoo.com
 Subject: TantraMag.com
 To:
misstr...@tantramag.com, cont...@sivasakti.com
 Date: Monday, 5 July, 2010,
17:00
 As you might know the Romanian web
 sites TantraMag.com and
SivaSakti.com have recently expired.
 However the web pages are still on
www.archive.org and it
 would be possible to 'WebWhack' (download) them - and
they
 are complete enough for the web sites to be reconstructed
 and hosted
with another ISP. The  MP3 files however
 have gone forever - except that I
downloaded all 128 (bar
 one) a few weeks ago and now have them on my laptop.
They
 amount to about 2.5Gb worth. I am missing 53.mp3 - I wonder
 if you
know of anyone that has it? Chris B.



Re: Update on altq and interface groups

2010-07-05 Thread Daniel Melameth
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Olivier Mehani sht...@ssji.net wrote:
 I know this question has been asked before, but I'm after an up-to-date
 answer, or at least a confirmation.

 Has support for interface groups been implemented for altq?

No.

http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=127453585925685w=2



Re: Adding custom XKB layout

2010-07-05 Thread czarkoff
czark...@gmail.com wrote:

 czark...@gmail.com wrote:

  I need to add a custom XKB layout to use (it actually is commited to
  xkb-config now, but not released yet).
 
  With the xkb-config 1.8 I had to patch xkb/rules/base.xml and symbols/??
  files.
 
  As I can't find neither base.xml nor xkb-config version used in 4.7, I am
  confused. I've already patched my xkb configs, but what should I edit to 
  make
  X see my new layouts in symbols/?? files?

 I actually found out on the internet that I should edit
 /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst and /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.xml. After editing
 both of them I've got:

 % setxkbmap -rules xorg -layout us,ru -variant serbian,serbian -v 10 
 Setting verbose level to 10
 locale is C
 Warning! Multiple definitions of rules file
  Using command line, ignoring X server
 Warning! Multiple definitions of keyboard layout
  Using command line, ignoring X server
 Warning! Multiple definitions of layout variant
  Using command line, ignoring X server
 Applied rules from xorg:
 model:  pc105
 layout: us,ru
 variant:serbian,serbian
 options:grp:caps_toggle
 Trying to build keymap using the following components:
 keycodes:   xfree86+aliases(qwerty)
 types:  complete
 compat: complete+ledcaps(group_lock)
 symbols:
 pc/pc(pc105)+pc/us(serbian)+pc/ru(serbian):2+group(caps_toggle)+group(caps_toggle)
 geometry:   pc(pc105)
 Error loading new keyboard description

 The us and ru files in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/ are patched, the same setup
 works as of xorg 1.7. Both layouts included to /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst and
 /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.xml.

 Does anyone know where should I read about that or what sould I do elsewise?

It gets even more interesting: I can't set us_intl layout:

d...@ao531h:/home/ddc % setxkbmap -layout us_intl -v 10
Setting verbose level to 10
locale is C
Warning! Multiple definitions of keyboard layout
 Using command line, ignoring X server
Applied rules from xorg:
model:  pc105
layout: us_intl
options:grp:caps_toggle
Trying to build keymap using the following components:
keycodes:   xfree86+aliases(qwerty)
types:  complete
compat: complete+ledcaps(group_lock)
symbols:pc/pc(pc105)+pc/us_intl+group(caps_toggle)+group(caps_toggle)
geometry:   pc(pc105)
Error loading new keyboard description

Maybe anyone knows what to do with that or where can I get some info...

--
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff



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2010-07-05 Thread Lic. Cynthia Morales
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y Secretarmas Ejecutivas
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smp

2010-07-05 Thread Robert Yuri
what is the state of the smp support in openbsd ?

we'll degust improvements after the hackathon ?



Re: Connecting to one of available networks on boot

2010-07-05 Thread Christopher Zimmermann

I tried it using the ifstated approach, but it didn't work as I
hoped it would. So I just wrote a small sh script and put it in
/etc/wlan and sourced that from /etc/rc right after /etc/netstart
is run.

The only thing I find funny is that the network link only comes
up after I have run the 'ifconfig iwi0 scan' a second time. See
below.


Christopher



#!/bin/sh

echo -n 'setting up wlan: '

for nwid in $(ifconfig iwi0 scan |awk '{if($1==nwid) print $2}') 'FAIL'
do
case $nwid in
wurmlingen)
echo $nwid.
ifconfig iwi0 192.168.23.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 \
media autoselect \
-bssid \
-chan \
nwid wurmlingen \
-nwkey \
wpa \
	wpapsk 
0x \

up
route add default -ifp iwi0 192.168.23.1
break
;;

BELWUE)
echo $nwid.
route delete default
ifconfig iwi0 inet \
media autoselect \
-bssid \
-chan \
nwid BELWUE \
-nwkey \
-wpa \
-wpapsk \
down
dhclient iwi0
break
;;
FAIL)
echo no known network found.
;;
esac
done

sleep 2;
ifconfig iwi0 scan /dev/null



Re: Dynamic Tracing

2010-07-05 Thread Ted Unangst
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 3:26 AM, Luis Useche use...@gmail.com wrote:
 I googled this a bit but I couldn't find anything. I just want to check if
 there is a dynamic tracing tool for OpenBSD. Similar tools are kprobes for
 Linux or DTrace for Solaris.

No, nothing quite like that.



Bluetooth mouse keeps losing pairing

2010-07-05 Thread Michael Burk
Hello,

I have a Lenovo T500 running OpenBSD 4.7 with a Lenovo ThinkPad
bluetooth mouse. I have these commands in rc.local to connect the
mouse on boot:

/usr/local/sbin/sdpd
/usr/local/sbin/bthcid
/usr/local/sbin/btconfig ubt0 up
/usr/local/bin/btpin -d ubt0 -a mouse -p 
/usr/local/sbin/btdevctl -d ubt0 -a mouse -s HID -A

For these commands to work, I first have to push the pairing button on
the bottom. The mouse works fine as long as I keep using it. However,
once I stop, it loses the pairing after a few minutes (not sure
exactly how many). That is, neither moving the mouse or clicking the
buttons is noticed on the computer. I can pair it again by pushing the
pairing button on the mouse again and then issuing these commands:

btdevctl -d ubt0 -a mouse -s HID -D
btdevctl -d ubt0 -a mouse -s HID -A

I'm not sure about the placement or need of the spdp in rc.local. It
doesn't seem to change anything whether I leave it out or change the
order of the command. I'm unclear if it's even necessary.

I've searched but can't find a clue about how to fix this. Setting
this up was a bit confusing, and I don't know if I did it right. I'd
greatly appreciate any ideas.

Here's more information in case it's helpful:

$ pkg_info |grep blue
bluetooth-libs-20081122 bluetooth network libraries
bluetooth-tools-20081122 bluetooth network tools


$ cat /etc/bluetooth/hosts
00:02:76:20:fd:b0mouse


$ btconfig
ubt0: bdaddr 00:26:5e:95:50:52 flags=3UP,RUNNING


$ btdevctl -a mouse -d ubt0 -s HID
local bdaddr: 00:26:5e:95:50:52
remote bdaddr: 00:02:76:20:fd:b0
link mode: auth
device type: HID
control psm: 0x0011
interrupt psm: 0x0013
Collection page=Generic_Desktop usage=Mouse
Collection page=Generic_Desktop usage=Pointer
  Input id=2 size=1 count=1 page=Button usage=Button_1 Variable,
logical range 0..1
  Input id=2 size=1 count=1 page=Button usage=Button_2 Variable,
logical range 0..1
  Input id=2 size=1 count=1 page=Button usage=Button_3 Variable,
logical range 0..1
  Input id=2 size=1 count=1 page=Button usage=Button_4 Variable,
logical range 0..1
  Input id=2 size=1 count=1 page=Button usage=Button_5 Variable,
logical range 0..1
  Input id=2 size=3 count=1 page=0x usage=0x Const, logical range 0..1
  Input id=2 size=12 count=1 page=Generic_Desktop usage=X Variable
Relative, logical range -2047..2047
  Input id=2 size=12 count=1 page=Generic_Desktop usage=Y Variable
Relative, logical range -2047..2047
  Input id=2 size=8 count=1 page=Generic_Desktop usage=Wheel Variable
Relative, logical range -127..127
End collection
End collection
Collection page=Consumer usage=Consumer_Control
  Input id=3 size=8 count=1 page=Device_Controls
usage=Battery_Strength Variable, logical range 0..255
End collection


$ sdpquery -l browse

Record Handle: 
Service Class ID List:
Service Discovery Server (0x1000)
Protocol Descriptor List:
L2CAP (0x0100)
Protocol specific parameter #1: u/int/uuid16 1
Protocol specific parameter #2: u/int/uuid16 1

Record Handle: 0x0001
Service Class ID List:
Browse Group Descriptor (0x1001)



OpenBSD 4.7 (GENERIC.MP) #130: Wed Mar 17 20:48:50 MDT 2010
dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP
real mem = 3177910272 (3030MB)
avail mem = 3085787136 (2942MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xe0010 (80 entries)
bios0: vendor LENOVO version 6FET76WW (3.06 ) date 08/27/2009
bios0: LENOVO 2081CTO
acpi0 at bios0: rev 2
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP SSDT ECDT APIC MCFG HPET SLIC BOOT ASF! SSDT
TCPA SSDT SSDT SSDT
acpi0: wakeup devices LID_(S3) SLPB(S3) UART(S3) IGBE(S4) EXP0(S4)
EXP1(S4) EXP2(S4) EXP3(S4) EXP4(S4) PCI1(S4) USB0(S3) USB3(S3)
USB5(S3) EHC0(S3) EHC1(S3) HDEF(S4)
acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T9600 @ 2.80GHz, 2793.41 MHz
cpu0: 
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,CX16,xTPR,NXE,LONG
cpu0: 6MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache
cpu0: apic clock running at 266MHz
cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor)
cpu1: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T9600 @ 2.80GHz, 2793.00 MHz
cpu1: 
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,CX16,xTPR,NXE,LONG
cpu1: 6MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins
ioapic0: misconfigured as apic 2, remapped to apid 1
acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz
acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0)
acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus -1 (AGP_)
acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 2 (EXP0)
acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 3 (EXP1)
acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus -1 (EXP2)
acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus 5 (EXP3)
acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus 13 (EXP4)
acpiprt7 at acpi0: bus 21 (PCI1)
acpiec0 at acpi0
acpicpu0 at acpi0: C3, C2, C1, PSS
acpicpu1 at 

Silent boot?

2010-07-05 Thread Ilya Ilembitov
Just ran across this post about
NetBSD:http://www.feyrer.de/NetBSD/bx/blosxom.cgi/nb_20100430_2300.html

Turns out, they have a special boottime option that lets the OS boot
(almost) without any messages. Which I found even more appealing that
some graphical bootsplash images. Does OpenBSD have anything like
that? Google left me with nothing. What if I am running the same
stable release of OpenBSD on my box for a month and don't need any
verbosity, since I don't change anything (so the system is unlikely to
fail)? Also, what can be done for redirecting the dmesg output to a
local file? OK, I can get all the dmesg cat'ed at some point of the
boot process. But what if my system couldn't actually boot? For that
kind of occasion, I need my whole dmesg to be stored at any given
point, so I could access it. How do I do that?



Re: Silent boot?

2010-07-05 Thread Floor Terra
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Ilya Ilembitov ilembi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Also, what can be done for redirecting the dmesg output to a
 local file?

See /var/run/dmesg.boot


Floor

-- 
Floor Terra flo...@gmail.com
www: http://brobding.mine.nu/



Re: Scanning without SANE

2010-07-05 Thread Corey

 On 07/02/2010 11:15 PM, Predrag Punosevac wrote:

Dear All,

This is not really a question but rather an observation which I made
today and which could be very useful for desktop users. It concerns
use of scanners (even Windows only printers).

As we know the standard way to access scanners on OpenBSD is using
sane-backends drivers. They support a fair number of scanners
in particular better flat bad USB scanners. Some all-in-one devices
produced by Epson are also supported. Sane-backends are supposedly
supporting large number of HP made all-in-one devices via proprietary
hpaio library which is a part of HPLIP. Unfortunately HPLIP is written
with Linux only in mind and it works rather well on OpenBSD only due to
heroic effort of our developer Antoine Jacoutot. Luckily it turns out
that you do not need any software or drivers to scan with most HP
all-in-one device!

My wife has a HP Photosmart C5250 all-in-one. C5250 comes with several
readers for various types of flash memory cards commonly used by digital
cameras. If you press scan button the small menu pups up on the C5250
display with gives you option of scanning directly onto the flash memory
card. At the same time a generic kernel of OpenBSD to which my HP
all-in-one is connected via USB sees the same flash memory card as a
standard SCSI HDD. I just mounted the flash memory as

mount -t msdos /dev/sd0i /mnt

and I could see a directory on /mnt with scan images.

I would guess that the above trick works for any all-in-one or scanner
device which has flash memory cards readers including the one produced
by Canon and Brother which are not supported by sane-backends.

I could even see that you could print on these all-in-one devices
without any drivers as long as the kernel sees card readers as SCSI HDD
when the all-in-once are connected via USB (or network). You just send
your files to flash cards and once there you print directly to printer.

Enjoy,
Predrag Punosevac

P.S. I hope you will find above hardware solution for printing and
scanning as interesting as OpenBSD way of VoIP (ssh+aucat).

My Brother AIO color laser does the same thing, to USB stick.  It's an 
option in the menu that pops up when one presses the Scan button.


It's not a problem except when I'm scanning a month's worth of 
paperwork.  But then again I haven't found a good overall workflow 
solution to that process anyway, even on Windows where the device has 
drivers.  It can also scan to a host over a network connection; may be 
time for some tcpdump hacking.




Re: smp

2010-07-05 Thread Philip Guenther
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Robert Yuri robert.yu...@gmail.com wrote:
 what is the state of the smp support in openbsd ?

Better than yesterday, not as good as tomorrow


 we'll degust improvements after the hackathon ?

If you want to know what happened during the hackathon, you should
1) read the diffs and commit messages,
2) read articles on undeadly when they appear, or
3) start contributing code to the project to the point that you are
invited to be a committer.

Everyone (or close to everyone) at the hackathon was interviewed for a
future article, so if your question is general, then just be patient
instead of trying to repeat the process here without an editing pass.


Philip Guenther



Re: Silent boot?

2010-07-05 Thread Philip Guenther
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Ilya Ilembitov ilembi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just ran across this post about
 NetBSD:http://www.feyrer.de/NetBSD/bx/blosxom.cgi/nb_20100430_2300.html

 Turns out, they have a special boottime option that lets the OS boot
 (almost) without any messages. Which I found even more appealing that
 some graphical bootsplash images. Does OpenBSD have anything like
 that?

Nope.


 Google left me with nothing. What if I am running the same
 stable release of OpenBSD on my box for a month and don't need any
 verbosity, since I don't change anything (so the system is unlikely to
 fail)?

Gotcha: you don't need any verbosity, except when you do.  I suggest
you report when something is excessively verbose, but otherwise ignore
the output.  Since you don't actually state what your problem is, I
declare that this solves your problem.

...
 But what if my system couldn't actually boot?

Sounds like something you'll need to think about if you decide to
develop this silent boot feature for yourself.  What sort of
support/usability tradeoffs will you be willing to make when you write
it?


Philip Guenther



Re: Connecting to one of available networks on boot

2010-07-05 Thread Anders Langworthy
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Christopher Zimmermann
madro...@zakweb.de wrote:

 The only thing I find funny is that the network link only comes
 up after I have run the 'ifconfig iwi0 scan' a second time. See
 below.

Yeah, this is a quirk with my iwi device[1] also.  A scan needs to be
run after you change nwid or the network will not come up as active.
It does work without a scan the first time you connect to a network
after the machine has been booted, though.

[1]: iwi0 at pci2 dev 2 function 0 Intel PRO/Wireless 2915ABG rev 0x05



Re: Silent boot?

2010-07-05 Thread Eric S Pulley
--On Tuesday, July 06, 2010 02:43:42 +0400 Ilya Ilembitov 
ilembi...@gmail.com wrote:



Just ran across this post about
NetBSD:http://www.feyrer.de/NetBSD/bx/blosxom.cgi/nb_20100430_2300.html

Turns out, they have a special boottime option that lets the OS boot
(almost) without any messages. Which I found even more appealing that
some graphical bootsplash images. Does OpenBSD have anything like
that? Google left me with nothing. What if I am running the same
stable release of OpenBSD on my box for a month and don't need any
verbosity, since I don't change anything (so the system is unlikely to
fail)? Also, what can be done for redirecting the dmesg output to a
local file? OK, I can get all the dmesg cat'ed at some point of the
boot process. But what if my system couldn't actually boot? For that
kind of occasion, I need my whole dmesg to be stored at any given
point, so I could access it. How do I do that?



Just make your console com0 then you wont see anything between BIOS and the 
login. If you have a problem booting hook up a serial console and see 
what's up. Having said that I think it is dumb to *not* want to see the 
boot messages and I hate systems that hide that information from me, but 
that's just me.




Re: Silent boot?

2010-07-05 Thread Tony Abernethy
Eric S Pulley wrote:
... and I hate systems that hide that information from me, but
that's just me.

Nope. Not just you.
A system that hides stuff has to be an order of magnitude
more correct just to break even.