RE: THIS'L SCARE YA..
I was just on the change.gov site voting on things about animals and most of what is up there is animal rights from some very scary people. The problem is that they are also having the stuff voted on to support AR not AW. Go there and type in HSUS in search. Cathy M Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charity Angel Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:49 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: THIS'L SCARE YA.. wow, will they sue to marry too? On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:54 PM, CathyM catr...@juno.com wrote: http://www.prweb.com/releases/Cass-Sunstein/Animal-Rights/prweb1868134.htm Obama 'Regulatory Czar' has Secret Animal-Rights Agenda, Says Consumer Group Cathy M Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories -- My Blog http://www.angelauthor.blogspot.com Join the fight for Liberty! http://www.CampaignforLiberty.com Now organized in Missouri! http://www.rlc.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: No Halfway House Needed for Michael Vick Dogs, Faithful Friends at End of...
Cathy. This stuff that the City is trying to pass off to city people is so misleading to people that don't know anything about dogs. I am an Old , Old hunter. Have hunted with dogs all my life. I can take any dog and make them do what I want them to do if I start with them when they are one year old it is easier. I have trained dogs to do some things that even you would not believe. Long story/short. I trained coon dogs for years and years every night if it was not too hot to go out. I always thought certain dogs were the best and I had my picks of the breeds. I was ask to take a Fox terrier coon hunt'en one night and I laughed so da ng hard I thought I would never stand up straight again. My buddy was not thinking it was so funny. A Fox Terrier? I said. I have blue ticks and red bones and plot hounds that will eat your terrier. Without a smile. He said Ya wan'ta bet? Well I stopped laugh'en when I looked into his eyes. He was holding the meanest dang dog I have ever put on a lead in my life. This terrier could kill a coon so fast I couldn't believe what I was watching. Not only that he dang near killed my black'en white plot hound. I got the thing down and looked in its mouth and its Canine Teeth were twice as long as my dogs. It could rip a stump in two. Don't judge a dog by it breed. Larry Dog Breed Melton In a message dated 1/15/2009 10:12:59 PM Central Standard Time, catr...@juno.com writes: This is a good article that needs to be passed around far and wide. I hi-lited a couple of sentences in it but if you don’t get html email, you won’t know what I hi-lited, but it has to do with irresponsible owners not the breed being vicious. Cathy M Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Endangered Species list.
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Using the Financial Crisis for Global Governance?
Posted: 01/12/09 Using the Financial Crisis for Global Governance? By Brannon S. Howse Listen to Brannon’s live, national radio program M-F at 5:05 p.m. CT at _www.worldviewmatters.net_ (http://www.worldviewmatters.net/) Just few days ago, Nobel Peace Prize winner and former secretary of state for President Nixon, Henry Kissinger, gave an interview on CNBC at the New York Stock Exchange. In his interview, speaking of President-Elect Obama, Kissinger said: His task will be to develop an overall strategy for America in this period when, really, a new world order can be created. It's a great opportunity, it isn't just a crisis. The crisis is a great opportunity? Barack Obama’s White House Chief of Staff, Rahm, Emanuel told business leaders in a November 2008 meeting that the financial crisis was “an opportunity to do things you could not do before.” Emanuel has said, “you never want a serious crisis to go to waste.” Sounds like Kissinger, Obama and Emanuel are singing from the same song-sheet. But wait, we can add Mikhail Gorbachev to the chorus. Gorbachev is the last leader of the Soviet Union and is president of the International Foundation for Socio-Economic and Political Studies in Moscow and has been pushing his one-world religion and one-world government ideas for years. In fact, Gorbachev has conducted much of his work right here in America from an office in San Francisco. On January 1, 2009, Gorbachev wrote a column in the International Herald Tribune. Gorbachev also seemed gleeful over the financial crisis and the great opportunity for using this crisis to further his globalist agenda: The G-20 summit meeting in Washington foreshadowed a new format of global leadership, brining together the countries responsible for the future of the world economy. And more than just the economy is at stake. …The economic and political balance in the world has changed. It is now a given that a world with a single power center, in any shape or guise, is no longer possible. The global challenge of a financial and economic tsunami can only be met by working together. Working together for what purpose? Gorbachev tells us when he writes: A new concept is emerging for addressing the crisis at the national and international levels…If current ideas for reforming the world’s financial and economic institutions are consistently implemented, that would suggest we are finally beginning to understand the importance of global governance. A January 8, 2009, an AP article by Emma Vandore told of a two-day meeting hosted by French President Nicolas Sarkozy. Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair who has been calling for a one-world interfaith dialog for years is also calling for a new financial order based on “values other than the maximum short-term profits.” Sarkozy, who I think perceives himself as a potential world leader, said: In the 21st Century, there is no longer a single nation who can say what we should do or what w should think… We cannot accept the status quo. We should discuss how each of us in managing his currency, his interest rates…In the capitalism of the 21st century, there is room for the state. When the state moves in it ceases to be capitalism and that is exactly the goal; the end of capitalism and the fulfillment of the dream of humanists and socialists; global government. Globalism has always been tied to occultism and so do not be surprised when you see more and more evidence that those calling for globalism practice pagan spirituality. I, and a few others, have predicted for years that a global crisis of some kind would be used to implement the freedom robbing tyranny of global governance. Is this going to be that crisis? **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: No Halfway House Needed for Michael Vick Dogs, Faithful Friends at End of...
He was holding the meanest dang dog I have ever put on a lead in my life. This terrier could kill a coon so fast I couldn't believe what I was watching. Not only that he dang near killed my black'en white plot hound. Larry, This just makes me laugh! I want a smooth Fox (but now may be getting a German Pinscher in my future; and I can hear anyone that knows me…not another dog! LOL) but have a Jack Russell Terrier, by the name of Jackie. Jackie is the most lovable, intelligent dog you have ever seen. He is also a mass murderer of moles, rats, mice, snakes, squirrels (if he can get them), possums (by himself), a couple of skunks (he smelled really good after that) and helped with disposing of a coon (assisted the GP). This is the ground type JRT (short legs) and he hunts and works the farm all day long. He weighs around 13# (although right now on a diet as he stayed at mom’s and put on weight) and will take on anything that does not belong in our yard. Not only does he take care of varmints, he is one of the best heelers of cattle you have ever seen. You set him a line not to let the cattle through, and he gets to work. This is not only the Fox Terrier…It is in ALL Terriers. Some more than other, but they are tenacious dogs that are born hunting and active. People do not understand this and think they are just cute. It just so happens that the Fox and JRT are both a little OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) when it comes to their “job,” they get into a fight mode and they don’t care who they fight as long as they fight. It can be a little bit dangerous in a pack situation as they just don’t turn on and off like other dogs. But I do love their personality. Jackie knows McDonalds is where you get hamburgers and Walmart is where you get chicken livers when you go in the car, plus so many other things. My father has been dead for 3 years now and he will still get excited when he sees a man that resembles my father. Too smart sometimes…VBG Cathy M Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
From HSUS' Legislative Fund 1/14/09
These are the demands of the HSUS on our new government. Hopefully, cooler heads then these are actually thinking and these things won't come about. Cathy M Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories Wednesday, January 14, 2009 http://hslf.typepad.com/political_animal/2009/01/a-change-agenda-for-animals .html Our Change Agenda for Animals Senate confirmation hearings are in full swing this week for President-elect Obama's http://innovation.cq.com/projects/cabinet_nominee Cabinet choices. Lawmakers are asking the nominees to lay out their vision for leading the federal agencies, and to explain how they will execute Obama's plans for confronting the major challenges facing the nation. http://hslf.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54fa1b0a18834010536d19400970c-pi Dog and cat2Obama's nominees will almost certainly be confirmed by the Senate, and will assume their new posts shortly after the inauguration. But before they become immersed in the quotidian needs of running our government, we hope they will take a step back and look at the big-picture reforms that are needed. When it comes to animal protection, more than a dozen federal agencies have a direct impact on the lives of millions of pets, farm animals, laboratory animals, and wildlife. In years past, some of these agencies have functioned largely as an annex to industry, and have been inattentive to the wishes of Americans who care about animal welfare, food safety, and environmental protection. Rather than politics as usual, it's time for change. The Humane Society of the United States and Humane Society Legislative Fund have developed a http://www.fund.org/pdfs/agency-issues-recommendations_2009.pdf change agenda for animals, with 100 immediate steps the executive branch can take to advance the humane treatment of animals. Here are some of the most critical reforms needed: . The Agriculture Department must improve enforcement at slaughter plants, puppy mills, research laboratories, and wild animal exhibits, and crack down on abusive practices such as animal fighting, horse soring, and puppy imports. It should apply basic humane slaughter protections to poultry so that nine billion birds per year have a merciful death, and finalize its pending rule to prohibit the slaughter of downed cows who are too sick or injured to stand up. The agency should work to stop the export of horses for slaughter in other countries, and should shift the focus of its Wildlife Services program to effective nonlethal methods rather than the use of aerial gunning, cruel traps, and toxic poisons. . The Interior Department must renew and restore its commitment to the Endangered Species Act, and work to protect listed species and their habitat. It should reject attempts by trophy hunters to reopen the import of heads and hides from threatened polar bears, and should list the entire species of chimpanzees as endangered, bringing an end to their use in research. The agency should also revamp its Wild Horse and Burro Program, and broader use of immunocontraception and other alternatives to rounding up wild horses and holding them in pens at taxpayer expense. . The Environmental Protection Agency must ensure that factory farm emissions are not exempt from federal environmental laws, including new laws addressing climate change. It must also invest in promising alternatives to animal testing that offer more rapid, efficient screening of pesticides and other chemicals. . The Commerce and State Departments must make the protection of marine mammals and ocean life a priority both domestically and internationally, working to stop commercial whaling, seal hunts, shark finning, dolphin drive fisheries, and other abusive practices. . The Health and Human Services Department must expedite the retirement of all federally-owned chimpanzees to sanctuaries, honor and maintain its moratorium on breeding chimps for research, and work to phase out use of chimps in invasive experiments. It should also prioritize the development of alternatives to animals in toxicity testing, and take urgent steps to address the overuse of antibiotics for nontherapeutic purposes on factory farms. . The Justice Department must begin collecting data on animal cruelty crimes as a separate offense category in federal databases, so that law enforcement officials can analyze the trends and connections with other violence. The agency should also enforce the longstanding federal law limiting long-distance transport of farm animals to 28 hours or less, and create a new Animal Protection Division to ensure strong enforcement of animal protection laws. . The White House should appoint an Animal Protection Liaison to help coordinate animal welfare concerns (policy issues, regulations, and positions on legislation) that cut across many different federal agencies. http://hslf.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54fa1b0a18834010536d1944d970c-pi
Secret Animal Rights Agenda
This is the link to the story: http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/3807 Exposed: The Secret Animal Rights Agenda Of America’s Next Regulatory Czar January 15, 2009 Barack Obama’s pick for “regulatory czar,” Harvard Law School Professor Cass Sunstein, may be the incoming president’s most popular appointment so far. Judging from his resume -- best-selling author, “pre-eminent legal scholar of our time,” and an endorsement from The Wall Street Journal -- we can almost understand why. Almost. Because as we’re telling the media today, there’s one troubling portion of the new Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA) Administrator’s C.V. that has seems to have flown under everyone’s radar: Cass Sunstein is a radical animal rights activist. Don’t believe us? Sunstein has made no secret of his devotion to the cause of establishing legal “rights” for livestock, wildlife, and pets. “[T]here should be extensive regulation of the use of animals in entertainment, scientific experiments, and agriculture,” Sunstein wrote in a 2002 working paper while at the University of Chicago Law school. “Extensive regulation of the use of animals.” That's PETA-speak for using government to get everything PETA and the Humane Society of the United States can't get through gentle pressure or not-so-gentle coercion. Not exactly the kind of thing American ranchers, restaurateurs, hunters, and biomedical researchers (to say nothing of ordinary consumers) would like to hear from their next “regulatory czar.” A version of the same paper also appeared as the introduction to Animal Rights: Current Debates and New Directions, a 2004 book that Sunstein co-edited with then-girlfriend Martha Nussbaum. In that book, Sunstein set out an ambitious plan to give animals the legal “right” to file lawsuits. We're not joking: “[A]nimals should be permitted to bring suit, with human beings as their representatives, to prevent violations of current law … Any animals that are entitled to bring suit would be represented by (human) counsel, who would owe guardian like obligations and make decisions, subject to those obligations, on their clients’ behalf.” It doesn't end there. Sunstein delivered a keynote speech at Harvard University’s 2007 “Facing Animals” conference. (Click here to watch the video; his speech starts around 39:00.) Keep in mind that as OIRA Administrator, Sunstein will have the political authority to implement a massive federal government overhaul. Consider this tidbit: “We ought to ban hunting, I suggest, if there isn’t a purpose other than sport and fun. That should be against the law. It’s time now.” Sunstein also argued in favor of “eliminating current practices such as greyhound racing, cosmetic testing, and meat eating, most controversially.” He concluded his Harvard speech by expressing his “more ambitious animating concern” that the current treatment of livestock and other animals should be considered “a form of unconscionable barbarity not the same as, but in many ways morally akin to, slavery and mass extermination of human beings.” Sound familiar? As the individual about to assume “the most important position that Americans know nothing about,” Sunstein owes the public an honest appraisal of his animal rights goals before taking office. Will the next four years be a dream-come-true for anti-meat, anti-hunting, and anti-everything-else radicals? Time will tell. For now, meat lovers might want to stock their freezers. URL: http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/3807 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Fw: The Politician Who Loves the Crisis
D o w n s i z e r - D i s p a t c h Quote of the Day: You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. - Rahm Emmanuel, Barack Obama's Chief of Staff Subject: The politician who loves the crisis Rahm Emmanuel loves the financial crisis. He sees it as an opportunity. His admission of this fact, which we've used as our quote of the day, is breathtaking. Mr. Emmanuel tried to moderate his enthusiasm for exploiting the crisis by claiming that his desire wasn't for big government, but for good government. But has Mr. Emmanuel ever acted as if good government was consistent with smaller government? We doubt it. Mr. Emmanuel isn't alone in seeing crisis as an opportunity to make government gooder by making it bigger. Donald Rumsfeld famously wanted to exploit the 9-11 attack by roping in everything, including Iraq. And that is what they did. One crisis event was used to create another crisis. Now it's happening again. Consider what this means: What do the politicians think of you? They think you aren't wise enough to accept their grand plans for remaking the world, so you have to be scared into doing the right thing. Their grand plans require crisis to be implemented. This way of thinking also implies that only the politicians know what the right thing is. Your plans and my plans, and all the individual plans of 300 million Americans, must be superseded by the plans of the politicians and their court intellectuals. But what's the likelihood that such a small group of people really knows how 300 million individuals should live -- how their affairs should be regulated and their money spent? And what happens when they're wrong? If you and I make mistakes in our small plans for our own lives, the consequences effect only ourselves and maybe a few people around us. But when the politicians' grand plans go wrong, millions, perhaps everyone, is harmed in a grand way. But isn't this very nearly the definition of a crisis -- something that harms everyone? If politicians have the power to help everyone, then they also have the power to harm everyone. But what they can never have is enough knowledge to predict the full consequences of their grand, universal do-gooder plans. Knowledge is decentralized. All of us have pieces of the puzzle. This is why small, decentralized plans tend to work, creating massive progress from the bottom-up. It's also why grand plans, from the top-down, blow-up. Here at DownsizeDC.org we think we need to have a few, bottom-up plans of our own. We need to figure out how to stop the politicians from creating and exploiting crises. But, unlike the politicians, our plans must not be grand and universal. They should be humble and flexible, capable of being implemented in small increments. We can't pretend to know, in advance, all the steps needed to curtail the politicians' power to create and exploit crises. No one one bill, by itself, will stop political opportunism and meddling. But we can know the rough dimensions of what our plan must achieve. Above all, we can be fairly certain of the need to make our ideas heard at the same volume as the grand claims of the crisis exploiters. Jim Babka President DownsizeDC.org, Inc. P.S. This afternoon (Friday) Jim Babka is scheduled to be on Straight Talk w/ Jerry Hughes on the Accent Radio Network. Details are available in this October DownsizeDC.org blog post. D o w n s i z e r - D i s p a t c h is the official email list of DownsizeDC.org, Inc. Downsize DC Foundation CONTRIBUTE to the Electronic Lobbyist project http://www.DownsizeDC.org is sponsored by DownsizeDC.org, Inc. -- a non-profit educational organization promoting the ideas of individual liberty, personal responsibility, free markets, and small government. You are encouraged to forward this message to friends and business associates, and permission is hereby granted to reproduce any items herein as long as attribution is provided for articles and the subscription instructions above are included. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
I am getting my dog a lawyer today
“[A]nimals should be permitted to bring suit, with human beings as their representatives, to prevent violations of current law … Any animals that are entitled to bring suit would be represented by (human) counsel, who would owe guardian like obligations and make decisions, subject to those obligations, on their clients’ behalf.” It doesn't end there. Sunstein **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: No Halfway House Needed for Michael Vick Dogs, Faithful Friends at End of...
Cathy. That's what I'M say'en. Pit bulls are not all mean. They can be trained to do what the owner wants them to do if the owner has a brain. The dog is as smart as the handler. A fox terrier can kill a pit bull so fast the pit would not know when to fall down. I can prove that. No dog fights Please Fox Terriers look cute but don't get one mad at you or try to take advantage of it. Ya could end with stumps for legs. Larry Fox Terrier Melton In a message dated 1/16/2009 11:02:17 AM Central Standard Time, catr...@juno.com writes: He was holding the meanest dang dog I have ever put on a lead in my life. This terrier could kill a coon so fast I couldn't believe what I was watching. Not only that he dang near killed my black'en white plot hound. Larry, This just makes me laugh! I want a smooth Fox (but now may be getting a German Pinscher in my future; and I can hear anyone that knows me…not another dog! LOL) but have a Jack Russell Terrier, by the name of Jackie. Jackie is the most lovable, intelligent dog you have ever seen. He is also a mass murderer of moles, rats, mice, snakes, squirrels (if he can get them), possums (by himself), a couple of skunks (he smelled really good after that) and helped with disposing of a coon (assisted the GP). This is the ground type JRT (short legs) and he hunts and works the farm all day long. He weighs around 13# (although right now on a diet as he stayed at mom’s and put on weight) and will take on anything that does not belong in our yard. Not only does he take care of varmints, he is one of the best heelers of cattle you have ever seen. You set him a line not to let the cattle through, and he gets to work. This is not only the Fox Terrier…It is in ALL Terriers. Some more than other, but they are tenacious dogs that are born hunting and active. People do not understand this and think they are just cute. It just so happens that the Fox and JRT are both a little OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) when it comes to their “job,” they get into a fight mode and they don’t care who they fight as long as they fight. It can be a little bit dangerous in a pack situation as they just don’t turn on and off like other dogs. But I do love their personality. Jackie knows McDonalds is where you get hamburgers and Walmart is where you get chicken livers when you go in the car, plus so many other things. My father has been dead for 3 years now and he will still get excited when he sees a man that resembles my father. Too smart sometimes…VBG Cathy M Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
our next mayor
For those of you that have never seen Sandra Queen Noble Ph.Dhttp://www.angelauthor.blogspot.com/please clink on the link attached to her name so you can be aware of why our council meetings for the next two years will be heavily attended. I believe we can solve the pension problem by charging admission to council meetings should the Queen be successful in her attempt to get elected. I'm quite sure she could single handily put an asterisk beside Springfield's name on the map. -- http://votetom4council.webs.com/ www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ http://www.radiofreeliberty.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: our next mayor
I would have to say that the CC meetings would never be boring! LOL Will she supply everyone with the bubbles to keep us all occupied during the meeting? Also, I got tired of looking at all of the pictures but never did see one of her face.what does she look like? And, what is her PhD in? Bubble Blowing Factory? VBG WOW! Cathy M Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:53 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com; Springfield Campaign For Liberty Subject: our next mayor For those of you that have never seen Sandra http://www.angelauthor.blogspot.com/ Queen Noble Ph.D please clink on the link attached to her name so you can be aware of why our council meetings for the next two years will be heavily attended. I believe we can solve the pension problem by charging admission to council meetings should the Queen be successful in her attempt to get elected. I'm quite sure she could single handily put an asterisk beside Springfield's name on the map. -- http://votetom4council.webs.com/ www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ http://www.radiofreeliberty.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: our next mayor
What you see is what we got to see. I was sitting three seats from her as she was sitting on the corner seat and I couldn't see her face either, neither did anyone at the event. She made sure that she mentioned the Ph.D although I wouldn't even want to guess what it could be in. tom On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 3:26 PM, CathyM catr...@juno.com wrote: I would have to say that the CC meetings would never be boring! LOL Will she supply everyone with the bubbles to keep us all occupied during the meeting? Also, I got tired of looking at all of the pictures but never did see one of her face…what does she look like? And, what is her PhD in? Bubble Blowing Factory? VBG WOW! Cathy M Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Martz *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2009 1:53 PM *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com; Springfield Campaign For Liberty *Subject:* our next mayor For those of you that have never seen Sandra Queen Noble Ph.Dhttp://www.angelauthor.blogspot.com/please clink on the link attached to her name so you can be aware of why our council meetings for the next two years will be heavily attended. I believe we can solve the pension problem by charging admission to council meetings should the Queen be successful in her attempt to get elected. I'm quite sure she could single handily put an asterisk beside Springfield's name on the map. -- http://votetom4council.webs.com/ www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ http://www.radiofreeliberty.com -- http://votetom4council.webs.com/ www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ http://www.radiofreeliberty.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Be prepared for the unexpected
I am sending this because I believe we here in Springfield will be faced with a very real security problem in the next year or sooner then that. I say that because Springfield is down 30 or so (Who knows) police officers. The City is loosing on avearge 3 per month. Doing that math In one year we could be down 60 plus officers. The Tax issue passing or failing will not help or reflect on the matter. It takes a year to get officers hired and trained and they have stopped all hiring until we support or and vote for a tax. This has put our City in a very dangerous position and I hope all of you will contact Home Land Security and as for assistance. Crime is on the rise and officers are on the decline. We are in the middle of a new City Manager politically jockeying citizens with false statements in the Local media and the Media is following him into a security problem that we may need to take into our own hands with in the next few months. Are you prepared to defend yourself and or to do what is necessary to stay safe. Larry Be Prepared Melton Go to H.L.S Office and make a report and ask for help. _Ready.gov: Be Informed_ (http://www.ready.gov/america/beinformed/index.html) **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Cracker Barrel on KTTS--One cent sales tax
Here is a note I received from Cracker Barrel. This will be this Sunday morning (Jan. 18th). Cracker Barrel Call (417)577-7000 7:00-9:00am Sundays --Glenn ___ Bill Cantrell sent a message to the members of Cracker Barrel on KTTS. Subject: Cracker Barrel this wekend. An invitation to tune in to Cracker Barrel from 7am to 9am Sunday morning on KTTS 94.7 FM or at KTTS.com. My special guest this week will be Springfield Assistant Fire Chief David Hall who will talk about the proposed one cent sales tax that would support the police and firefighter's pension fund. Listen in and call with your questions/opinions. Thank you for being part of the Cracker Barrel Facebook group! Invite your friends!! Bill Cantrell --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [ronpaul-29] In this MegaVote for Missouri's 7th Congressional District:
I personally have a large business that I would love to start up but I will not do it as long as the IRS is in business in America. I can't wait to see how they plan to tax Gravity. Larry Horizontal Engird Accelerator Melton The middle name is my business name. In a message dated 1/16/2009 7:20:42 PM Central Standard Time, evou...@pobox.com writes: On Jan 14, 2009, at 08:31, tom wrote: If the minimum wage would disappear, thus this would also limit the power of unions, you would see prices of products plummeting and people being able to afford the items which are needed to survive And small businesses would have an easier time hiring people for odd jobs, so unemployment would drop sharply. So would the need to hire so many illegals. If I am going to break the law by paying someone $4 an hour, why not pay an alien who cannot complain to the law? **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [ronpaul-29] Be prepared for the unexpected
Everyone in my hood has a dog. We all know our dogs and the guy next door. We understand the dog alert barks and visitor barks and just confused barks. You ever have the neighbors dog go nuts bark'en about something that you understand aint right. Then your dog chimes in and it grows down the road. You know that something com'eth. Or you got your head up your butt and just think it is annoying. I have a Boston Terrier that will let you come in the house if I first introduce him to YOU. Not you to HIM. If you are not excepted and he don't think you came to play with him. You may need another pair of pants handy. My neighbor to the East walked up on me and my dog playing in the yard one day and said in a loud voice Larry ! He was not introduced. My dog jumped into his face so fast that I had no time to grab him. knocked his glasses off and just missed removing his nose. I had just enough time to shout to my dog it is Glenn. The raid stopped as fast as it started. Keep one in your yard or in the house. They can create interference long enough to get to your hard ware. Larry Hard Ware Melton In a message dated 1/16/2009 10:18:54 PM Central Standard Time, jb...@mchsi.com writes: I have ran a neighborhood watch group, the biggest problem you will have is getting people to take the hours that really need the watch, most want to do early times and go home and get a good nights rest, so you end up with only one or two people doing the late hours and that gets old real fast. You also have to understand that unless you get the support of the police, anything you do may work against you and favor the perps. Jerry **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [ronpaul-29] Be prepared for the unexpected
O.Boy. Officers in K.C can't get to the scene fast enouhg many times they show up long after the heat has cooled down. Most people involved are on the other side of town. No Body know what or who they are talking about. What Cat? Me No See Your Cat. ! Do you get my drift now? Larry What Cat Melton In a message dated 1/16/2009 9:06:45 PM Central Standard Time, meekandmil...@yahoo.com writes: I haven't lived in Springfield for a few years. I've been a police officer and have a criminal justice degree. I don't know what SPD clearance rate is or their availability of officers. Over 80% of crimes do not present enough leads/ evidence to pursue a crime. the national clearance rate ( crimes that are solved) Is less than 20%. **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Dear Reader:
Dear Reader: You didn't hear about it on the evening news or read about it on the front page of The New York Times, but just a few days ago, the Obama Administration announced a plan to completely decimate and destroy our Armed Forces! To put it in the words of Robert Gibbs, Barack Obama's incoming Press Secretary, when the question was posed to him: You don't hear a politician give a one- word answer much, but it's yes. But Obama's NOT calling it a reduction in force, nor is he giving ANY indication that the REAL AGENDA is the wholesale destruction of our military. The pending decimation is being deceptively pitched to the American public as a plan to end the military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell Policy. Complementing Obama's efforts, California Representative Ellen Tauscher recently told the press that she plans to immediately re-introduce her deceptively titled legislation, the Military Readiness Enhancement Act (MREA). Of course MREA, in actuality, DOES NOT EVEN ADDRESS MILITARY READINESS. The language and purpose of the legislation - which had 148 far-left co-sponsors in the House of Representatives during the last session of Congress, but thankfully died in committee - is geared EXCLUSIVELY toward promoting open homosexuality in the Armed Forces! Tauscher recently told reporters she is rushing this legislation because: We shouldn't be forcing good men and women out of military service. But Tauscher is either totally blinded by her far-left ideological worldview or is simply lying outright because MREA would do just the opposite - MREA WOULD FORCE GOOD MEN AND WOMEN OUT OF THE SERVICE! Tauscher and the Obama Administration must be aware of a recent poll by The Military Times that poses the question; If the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy is overturned and gays are allowed to serve openly, how would you respond? According to the poll, a full 24 percent of respondents said they would not re-enlist or consider not re-enlisting! That's significant! If those numbers hold constant for all the men and women presently wearing a uniform (and there is absolutely no reason to believe they would not), the 10 percent of those in the poll who indicated that they would definitely NOT re- enlist - would EXCEED the number of those serving on active duty in the United States Marine Corp. If the remaining 14 percent who said they would consider not re-enlisting are added into the mix, the number could approach the number of troops presently serving on active-duty in the United States Army! You can STOP this unholy alliance between Barack Hussein Obama, those who hate America and our men and women in uniform, and the radical homosexual movement. But we must act today! **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cracker Barrel on KTTS--One cent sales tax
Somebody tell Greg Burris that the State law will not let him ask for two cents even if he could coerces Council to support him. Burris is stumping around town and on TV like he don't have to ask Council to do these things he is threatening to do if we don't vote for his one cent tax idea. WoW. I wish I had that much education to think of a grand idea like that. I have sent Greg several emails of how he can fix this problem and move Springfield's budget into the black. He answers. OK. I Will. In one email. I give up. You have convinced me. In another. He don't write as well as he talks. Larry Coerces Council Melton In a message dated 1/16/2009 5:23:20 PM Central Standard Time, archives_...@hotmail.com writes: Here is a note I received from Cracker Barrel. This will be this Sunday morning (Jan. 18th). Cracker Barrel Call (417)577-7000 7:00-9:00am Sundays --Glenn ___ Bill Cantrell sent a message to the members of Cracker Barrel on KTTS. Subject: Cracker Barrel this wekend. An invitation to tune in to Cracker Barrel from 7am to 9am Sunday morning on KTTS 94.7 FM or at KTTS.com. My special guest this week will be Springfield Assistant Fire Chief David Hall who will talk about the proposed one cent sales tax that would support the police and firefighter's pension fund. Listen in and call with your questions/opinions. Thank you for being part of the Cracker Barrel Facebook group! Invite your friends!! Bill Cantrell **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [ronpaul-29] Be prepared for the unexpected
Jerry I personally know judges and one Judge is like a brother. We have been friends for years. I have a key to his house in my pocket. From a friend to a friend for a friend. Steve Helmes is the man that sets up appointments for criminals or accidents, stuff like that. The Docket. He plans today what Judge will hear what case and sets the time and the lawyers and clients and Judge to be on the bench at the same time. Well. Long to short because I don't have all day. In the morning Steve will get 5. 6. 7. Phone calls. One lawyer has an ingrain toe nail and can't show up. Another; the client got sick or Mom is not felling good and can't make it. The people in jail can't even make it to stand before the judge. Sometimes the Judge gets sick. Calls in at 8;30 Steve is standing in the halls with his teeth in his mouth. Some judges has gone in to work only to find that every thing has canceled for the day. My Judge friend go'en fishing just to kill some time until 3;30 case is to be heard only to be ca nceled. Lets go eat. Cool. Do you have the idea now. Some lawyers play this game until they get the case dismissed just to get it off the docket. Steve has a big job. Like if I set it up for everyone in this group to be on stage with song book in hand at 1;00 tomorrow . How many do you think you could trust would show. Larry No Shows Melton In a message dated 1/16/2009 7:25:11 PM Central Standard Time, jb...@mchsi.com writes: A large, large, large part of our problem is in the so called Justice System and all that goes with that. Until people are willing enough to find out just what is taking place behind the general public, we will continue to have problems. Jerry **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
