Re: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

[Scott Youngman]

Another way to set up multiple blanks is to use an ellipsis, for example:
[...] and [...]
In other words, you don't need to have text or hints in the brackets.

(Correction: I am not the OP, I just replied early in the chain.)

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Re: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

[Scott Youngman]

I am the OP. The Q card has hints or some other identifiers in brackets,
while the A card has the full answers. Examples:

Q:  [1] and [2]
A:  Answer 1
 Answer 2

Q:  [Hint-1] and [Hint-2]
A:  Answer-1
 Answer-2

Although this is indeed contrary to the principle that each card should ask
about one bit of information (as Peter pointed out in his reply), I find it
useful when parts 1 and 2 are closely linked and I am learning them as a
unit, or when each part is too easy by itself. Also when the parts occur in
the same Q sentence and have the same answer, e.g.

Q:  [Hint-xyz] blah-blah-blah, and also when [Hint-xyz] blah-blah-blah
A:  Answer-xyz

Scott

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 7:25 AM,  wrote:

>
> Sorry I wasn't more precise. I'm interested in the same thing than the
> person who started the thread, which is being able to have multiple blanks
> without it being different cards i.e. something along the lines of
> Q:
> [a] d [b]
>
> A:
> a
> b
>
> Thanks.

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Re: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

[Peter Bienstman]

Hi,

That's against the minimum information principle, which says that it's best 
that cards test only a single piece of knowledge at the same time.

However, if you realky want that, you have to indeed construct such a card 
manually as front to back only card.

Cheers,

Peter



From: eliseetsimonf...@gmail.com
Sent: 24 Sep 2017 15:26
To: mnemosyne-proj-users
Subject: Re: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

On Sunday, September 24, 2017 at 7:59:53 AM UTC+2, Peter Bienstman wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> That's a rather old mail you're replying to. What exactly is your problem? If 
> you have a Cloze card with text
>
>
>
> [a] [b] c
>
>
>
> It will generate two cards:
>
>
>
> Q: [...] b c
>
> A: a
>
>
>
> And
>
>
>
> Q: a [...] c
>
> A: b
>
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
>
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: eliseets...@gmail.com
>
> Sent: 23 Sep 2017 23:09
>
> To: mnemosyne-proj-users
>
> Subject: Re: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion 
> tool
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 5:02:42 PM UTC+2, Scott Youngman wrote:
>
> > Garret, you can achieve what you want by making the card front-to-back, or 
> > front-to-back-&-back-to-front instead of a cloze-type card. Enclose the 
> > elements to be tested in square brackets (just like in cloze formatting); 
> > the question card will show them as
>  grey, italicized brackets with whatever text you included between brackets. 
> (In the examples below, imagine the bracketed parts to be gray italic.)
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > So if you make the Question card
>
> > bla bla [1] bla bla [2]
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > both bracketed parts will remain bracketed just as entered, and the Answer 
> > card could be
>
> > 1. "answer 1"
>
> > 2. "answer 2"
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > The text in the brackets can be an ellipsis or a hint instead of numbers. 
> > You can also format the text in the brackets as desired, which overrides 
> > the default gray.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > If that's unclear, try it on a test card to see what I mean. The important 
> > part is NOT to make it a cloze-type, even though you are using square 
> > brackets in the question.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Scott
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 10:10:07 AM UTC-6, Garret L wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Okay, but in your example, in one card, [cloze 1] would show up as "[...]" 
> > and [close 2] would be visible, and in another card, [cloze 1] would be 
> > visible and [cloze 2] would show up as "[...]."
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > What I'm looking for is this: "bla bla [cloze 1] blab la [cloze 2]." to 
> > show up as "bla bla [...] blab la [...]."
>
> > -  for both to show up as blanks simultaneously in the same card.
>
>
>
> Sorry I'm not quite sure I understand. For me when I bracket something in 
> standard cards it does nothing but adding the brackets ...
>
> I can obvisouly do it by hand but that kind of defeats the purpose of having 
> a package doing it for you
>
>
>
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Sorry I wasn't more precise. I'm interested in the same thing than the person 
who started the thread, which is being able to have multiple blanks without it 
being different cards i.e. something along the lines of
Q:
[a] d [b]

A:
a
b

Thanks.

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Re: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

[eliseetsimonfilm]

On Sunday, September 24, 2017 at 7:59:53 AM UTC+2, Peter Bienstman wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> 
> 
> That's a rather old mail you're replying to. What exactly is your problem? If 
> you have a Cloze card with text
> 
> 
> 
> [a] [b] c
> 
> 
> 
> It will generate two cards: 
> 
> 
> 
> Q: [...] b c
> 
> A: a
> 
> 
> 
> And
> 
> 
> 
> Q: a [...] c
> 
> A: b
> 
> 
> 
> Hope this helps, 
> 
> 
> 
> Peter 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: eliseets...@gmail.com
> 
> Sent: 23 Sep 2017 23:09
> 
> To: mnemosyne-proj-users
> 
> Subject: Re: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion 
> tool
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 5:02:42 PM UTC+2, Scott Youngman wrote:
> 
> > Garret, you can achieve what you want by making the card front-to-back, or 
> > front-to-back-&-back-to-front instead of a cloze-type card. Enclose the 
> > elements to be tested in square brackets (just like in cloze formatting); 
> > the question card will show them as
>  grey, italicized brackets with whatever text you included between brackets. 
> (In the examples below, imagine the bracketed parts to be gray italic.)
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > So if you make the Question card
> 
> > bla bla [1] bla bla [2]
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > both bracketed parts will remain bracketed just as entered, and the Answer 
> > card could be
> 
> > 1. "answer 1"
> 
> > 2. "answer 2"
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > The text in the brackets can be an ellipsis or a hint instead of numbers. 
> > You can also format the text in the brackets as desired, which overrides 
> > the default gray.
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > If that's unclear, try it on a test card to see what I mean. The important 
> > part is NOT to make it a cloze-type, even though you are using square 
> > brackets in the question.
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Scott
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 10:10:07 AM UTC-6, Garret L wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > Okay, but in your example, in one card, [cloze 1] would show up as "[...]" 
> > and [close 2] would be visible, and in another card, [cloze 1] would be 
> > visible and [cloze 2] would show up as "[...]."
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > What I'm looking for is this: "bla bla [cloze 1] blab la [cloze 2]." to 
> > show up as "bla bla [...] blab la [...]."
> 
> > -  for both to show up as blanks simultaneously in the same card.
> 
> 
> 
> Sorry I'm not quite sure I understand. For me when I bracket something in 
> standard cards it does nothing but adding the brackets ...
> 
> I can obvisouly do it by hand but that kind of defeats the purpose of having 
> a package doing it for you
> 
> 
> 
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Sorry I wasn't more precise. I'm interested in the same thing than the person 
who started the thread, which is being able to have multiple blanks without it 
being different cards i.e. something along the lines of
Q:
[a] d [b]

A:
a
b

Thanks.

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Re: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

[Peter Bienstman]

Hi,

That's a rather old mail you're replying to. What exactly is your problem? If 
you have a Cloze card with text

[a] [b] c

It will generate two cards:

Q: [...] b c
A: a

And

Q: a [...] c
A: b

Hope this helps,

Peter



From: eliseetsimonf...@gmail.com
Sent: 23 Sep 2017 23:09
To: mnemosyne-proj-users
Subject: Re: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 5:02:42 PM UTC+2, Scott Youngman wrote:
> Garret, you can achieve what you want by making the card front-to-back, or 
> front-to-back-&-back-to-front instead of a cloze-type card. Enclose the 
> elements to be tested in square brackets (just like in cloze formatting); the 
> question card will show them as grey, italicized brackets with whatever text 
> you included between brackets. (In the examples below, imagine the bracketed 
> parts to be gray italic.)
>
>
> So if you make the Question card
> bla bla [1] bla bla [2]
>
>
>
> both bracketed parts will remain bracketed just as entered, and the Answer 
> card could be
> 1. "answer 1"
> 2. "answer 2"
>
>
> The text in the brackets can be an ellipsis or a hint instead of numbers. You 
> can also format the text in the brackets as desired, which overrides the 
> default gray.
>
>
> If that's unclear, try it on a test card to see what I mean. The important 
> part is NOT to make it a cloze-type, even though you are using square 
> brackets in the question.
>
>
> Scott
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 10:10:07 AM UTC-6, Garret L wrote:
>
> Okay, but in your example, in one card, [cloze 1] would show up as "[...]" 
> and [close 2] would be visible, and in another card, [cloze 1] would be 
> visible and [cloze 2] would show up as "[...]."
>
>
> What I'm looking for is this: "bla bla [cloze 1] blab la [cloze 2]." to show 
> up as "bla bla [...] blab la [...]."
> -  for both to show up as blanks simultaneously in the same card.

Sorry I'm not quite sure I understand. For me when I bracket something in 
standard cards it does nothing but adding the brackets ...
I can obvisouly do it by hand but that kind of defeats the purpose of having a 
package doing it for you

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Re: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

[eliseetsimonfilm]

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 5:02:42 PM UTC+2, Scott Youngman wrote:
> Garret, you can achieve what you want by making the card front-to-back, or 
> front-to-back-&-back-to-front instead of a cloze-type card. Enclose the 
> elements to be tested in square brackets (just like in cloze formatting); the 
> question card will show them as grey, italicized brackets with whatever text 
> you included between brackets. (In the examples below, imagine the bracketed 
> parts to be gray italic.)
> 
> 
> So if you make the Question card
> bla bla [1] bla bla [2]
> 
> 
> 
> both bracketed parts will remain bracketed just as entered, and the Answer 
> card could be
> 1. "answer 1"
> 2. "answer 2"
> 
> 
> The text in the brackets can be an ellipsis or a hint instead of numbers. You 
> can also format the text in the brackets as desired, which overrides the 
> default gray.
> 
> 
> If that's unclear, try it on a test card to see what I mean. The important 
> part is NOT to make it a cloze-type, even though you are using square 
> brackets in the question.
> 
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 10:10:07 AM UTC-6, Garret L wrote:
> 
> Okay, but in your example, in one card, [cloze 1] would show up as "[...]" 
> and [close 2] would be visible, and in another card, [cloze 1] would be 
> visible and [cloze 2] would show up as "[...]."
> 
> 
> What I'm looking for is this: "bla bla [cloze 1] blab la [cloze 2]." to show 
> up as "bla bla [...] blab la [...]."
> -  for both to show up as blanks simultaneously in the same card.

Sorry I'm not quite sure I understand. For me when I bracket something in 
standard cards it does nothing but adding the brackets ...
I can obvisouly do it by hand but that kind of defeats the purpose of having a 
package doing it for you

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Re: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

[Peter Bienstman]

Great idea, thanks for suggesting it! 

Peter 

On 15 June 2016 17:02:42 CEST, Scott Youngman  wrote:
>Garret, you can achieve what you want by making the card front-to-back,
>or 
>front-to-back-&-back-to-front instead of a cloze-type card. Enclose the
>
>elements to be tested in square brackets (just like in cloze
>formatting); 
>the question card will show them as grey, italicized brackets with
>whatever 
>text you included between brackets. (In the examples below, imagine the
>
>bracketed parts to be gray italic.)
>
>So if you make the Question card
>bla bla [1] bla bla [2]
>
>both bracketed parts will remain bracketed just as entered, and the
>Answer 
>card could be
>1. "answer 1"
>2. "answer 2"
>
>The text in the brackets can be an ellipsis or a hint instead of
>numbers. 
>You can also format the text in the brackets as desired, which
>overrides 
>the default gray.
>
>If that's unclear, try it on a test card to see what I mean. The
>important 
>part is NOT to make it a cloze-type, even though you are using square 
>brackets in the question.
>
>Scott
>
>On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 10:10:07 AM UTC-6, Garret L wrote:
>
>> Okay, but in your example, in one card, [cloze 1] would show up as
>"[...]" 
>> and [close 2] would be visible, and in another card, [cloze 1] would
>be 
>> visible and [cloze 2] would show up as "[...]."
>>
>> What I'm looking for is this: "bla bla [cloze 1] blab la [cloze 2]."
>to 
>> show up as "bla bla [...] blab la [...]."
>> -  for both to show up as blanks simultaneously in the same card.
>>
>>>
>
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Re: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

[Scott Youngman]

Garret, you can achieve what you want by making the card front-to-back, or 
front-to-back-&-back-to-front instead of a cloze-type card. Enclose the 
elements to be tested in square brackets (just like in cloze formatting); 
the question card will show them as grey, italicized brackets with whatever 
text you included between brackets. (In the examples below, imagine the 
bracketed parts to be gray italic.)

So if you make the Question card
bla bla [1] bla bla [2]

both bracketed parts will remain bracketed just as entered, and the Answer 
card could be
1. "answer 1"
2. "answer 2"

The text in the brackets can be an ellipsis or a hint instead of numbers. 
You can also format the text in the brackets as desired, which overrides 
the default gray.

If that's unclear, try it on a test card to see what I mean. The important 
part is NOT to make it a cloze-type, even though you are using square 
brackets in the question.

Scott

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 10:10:07 AM UTC-6, Garret L wrote:

> Okay, but in your example, in one card, [cloze 1] would show up as "[...]" 
> and [close 2] would be visible, and in another card, [cloze 1] would be 
> visible and [cloze 2] would show up as "[...]."
>
> What I'm looking for is this: "bla bla [cloze 1] blab la [cloze 2]." to 
> show up as "bla bla [...] blab la [...]."
> -  for both to show up as blanks simultaneously in the same card.
>
>>

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Re: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

[Garret L]

Okay! I know other flashcard programs (Anki) are capable of this feature. I 
just wanted to know for sure or not if Mnemosyne was!
Thanks!

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 11:46:50 PM UTC-5, Peter Bienstman wrote:
>
> Sorry, this is not supported at the moment…
>
>  
>
> Peter
>
>  
>
> *From:* mnemosyne-...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> mnemosyne-...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Garret L
> *Sent:* 14 June 2016 18:10
> *To:* mnemosyne-proj-users <mnemosyne-...@googlegroups.com >
> *Subject:* Re: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze 
> Deletion tool
>
>  
>
> Okay, but in your example, in one card, [cloze 1] would show up as "[...]" 
> and [close 2] would be visible, and in another card, [cloze 1] would be 
> visible and [cloze 2] would show up as "[...]."
>
>  
>
> What I'm looking for is this: "bla bla [cloze 1] blab la [cloze 2]." to 
> show up as "bla bla [...] blab la [...]."
>
> -  for both to show up as blanks simultaneously in the same card.
>
>  
>
> Sorry for the misunderstanding!
>
>
> On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 9:34:37 AM UTC-5, Peter Bienstman wrote:
>
> Sure! Just try e.g.
>
>  
>
> Bla bla [cloze 1] blab la [cloze 2].
>
>  
>
> Peter
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* mnemosyne-...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> mnemosyne-...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Garret L
> *Sent:* 09 June 2016 16:19
> *To:* mnemosyne-proj-users <mnemosyne-...@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion 
> tool
>
>  
>
> Hi, I'm new to this forum, so this may have already been mentioned, but is 
> there a way to make multiple parts of a single card hidden using cloze 
> deletion? 
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RE: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

[Peter Bienstman]

Sorry, this is not supported at the moment…

Peter

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Subject: Re: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

Okay, but in your example, in one card, [cloze 1] would show up as "[...]" and 
[close 2] would be visible, and in another card, [cloze 1] would be visible and 
[cloze 2] would show up as "[...]."

What I'm looking for is this: "bla bla [cloze 1] blab la [cloze 2]." to show up 
as "bla bla [...] blab la [...]."
-  for both to show up as blanks simultaneously in the same card.

Sorry for the misunderstanding!

On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 9:34:37 AM UTC-5, Peter Bienstman wrote:
Sure! Just try e.g.

Bla bla [cloze 1] blab la [cloze 2].

Peter


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Subject: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

Hi, I'm new to this forum, so this may have already been mentioned, but is 
there a way to make multiple parts of a single card hidden using cloze deletion?
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RE: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

[Peter Bienstman]

Sure! Just try e.g.

Bla bla [cloze 1] blab la [cloze 2].

Peter


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To: mnemosyne-proj-users 
Subject: [mnemosyne-proj-users] Multiple Deletions using Cloze Deletion tool

Hi, I'm new to this forum, so this may have already been mentioned, but is 
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