[mochikit] Re: Including MochiKit.DragAndDrop and MochiKit.Sortable in the packed version?
There is a new (hopefully working) version of the download page available now: http://mochikit.com/pack.html It only provides customized downloads from svn trunk at the moment. And due to the default packed version not including all modules, some modules are not available... If you have time, please try this out a bit. And report any issues here, so that I'll have them fixed to the final version. Cheers, /Per --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MochiKit" group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[mochikit] Re: Including MochiKit.DragAndDrop and MochiKit.Sortable in the packed version?
Great. Would be nice to have this on the MK homepage. -- Christoph --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MochiKit" group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[mochikit] Re: Including MochiKit.DragAndDrop and MochiKit.Sortable in the packed version?
If you need some server-side code that echos back the content with Content-Disposition set appropriately, you can put it in the google app engine project that I built to fetch the blog and mailing list feeds. Just let me know once the code is there and I'll update it. http://svn.mochikit.com/mochikit.com/trunk/mochikit-dot-com/ -bob On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Per Cederberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Often, ignoring a problem eventually causes a solution to appear. So > the other day it just struck me that all we need to do, to enable > configurable packing, is to parse the packed version into modules. And > then allow the user to paste them back together. > > So I developed a new demo that does that. Now it uses only a packed > version of MochiKit which it downloads as text and analyzes for > dependencies. Then creates the corresponding UI. > >http://www.percederberg.net/mochikit/pack.html > > As the standard packed version of MochiKit doesn't include DragAndDrop > and Sortable, I also included those in my source packed version. > > The actual download button is still work-in-progress at this point. > Only works in Firefox and even then just sort-of-works. Will have to > ponder that a bit more before creating a final version. > > Cheers, > > /Per > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Arnar Birgisson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi again, >> >> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 22:23, Arnar Birgisson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Although, there is one outrageous possibility: We could pregenerate >>> all possible combinations of modules. Now, before you call me crazy, >>> note that even if 14 modules could potentially mean 2^14~=16k >>> different combinations, the dependency graph puts severe restrictions >>> on that. So for fun, I decided to see how many there really are. Given >>> the dependency specs Per used in the above html file, there are >>> exactly 1952 possible combinations such that all dependencies are >>> included :D >> >> While I should probably point out that my last message was >> tongue-in-cheek, there was also a glaring bug in my algorithm. After >> fixing that and rerunning, the possible combinations are *merely* 817 >> :) >> >> The correct code will appear on my blog in a few minutes. >> http://www.hvergi.net/ >> >> cheers, >> Arnar >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MochiKit" group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[mochikit] Re: Including MochiKit.DragAndDrop and MochiKit.Sortable in the packed version?
Often, ignoring a problem eventually causes a solution to appear. So the other day it just struck me that all we need to do, to enable configurable packing, is to parse the packed version into modules. And then allow the user to paste them back together. So I developed a new demo that does that. Now it uses only a packed version of MochiKit which it downloads as text and analyzes for dependencies. Then creates the corresponding UI. http://www.percederberg.net/mochikit/pack.html As the standard packed version of MochiKit doesn't include DragAndDrop and Sortable, I also included those in my source packed version. The actual download button is still work-in-progress at this point. Only works in Firefox and even then just sort-of-works. Will have to ponder that a bit more before creating a final version. Cheers, /Per On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Arnar Birgisson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi again, > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 22:23, Arnar Birgisson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Although, there is one outrageous possibility: We could pregenerate >> all possible combinations of modules. Now, before you call me crazy, >> note that even if 14 modules could potentially mean 2^14~=16k >> different combinations, the dependency graph puts severe restrictions >> on that. So for fun, I decided to see how many there really are. Given >> the dependency specs Per used in the above html file, there are >> exactly 1952 possible combinations such that all dependencies are >> included :D > > While I should probably point out that my last message was > tongue-in-cheek, there was also a glaring bug in my algorithm. After > fixing that and rerunning, the possible combinations are *merely* 817 > :) > > The correct code will appear on my blog in a few minutes. > http://www.hvergi.net/ > > cheers, > Arnar > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MochiKit" group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[mochikit] Re: Including MochiKit.DragAndDrop and MochiKit.Sortable in the packed version?
Hi again, On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 22:23, Arnar Birgisson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Although, there is one outrageous possibility: We could pregenerate > all possible combinations of modules. Now, before you call me crazy, > note that even if 14 modules could potentially mean 2^14~=16k > different combinations, the dependency graph puts severe restrictions > on that. So for fun, I decided to see how many there really are. Given > the dependency specs Per used in the above html file, there are > exactly 1952 possible combinations such that all dependencies are > included :D While I should probably point out that my last message was tongue-in-cheek, there was also a glaring bug in my algorithm. After fixing that and rerunning, the possible combinations are *merely* 817 :) The correct code will appear on my blog in a few minutes. http://www.hvergi.net/ cheers, Arnar --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MochiKit" group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[mochikit] Re: Including MochiKit.DragAndDrop and MochiKit.Sortable in the packed version?
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 22:09, Per Cederberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I fooled around a bit with the visual effects instead...
> http://www.percederberg.net/mochikit/pack.html
Ah, nice, very nice.
As for the other thing (generating the pack) - I don't think there is
a good, clean way to do it on the client side and probably something
server side (it can be dead-simple) is the way to go.
Although, there is one outrageous possibility: We could pregenerate
all possible combinations of modules. Now, before you call me crazy,
note that even if 14 modules could potentially mean 2^14~=16k
different combinations, the dependency graph puts severe restrictions
on that. So for fun, I decided to see how many there really are. Given
the dependency specs Per used in the above html file, there are
exactly 1952 possible combinations such that all dependencies are
included :D
Now, generating these 1952 files every time there is a commit might
seem stupid, but it is actually doable :)
Ok, now feel free to call me crazy.
Below this message is a Haskell program to find all legal combinations.
cheers,
Arnar
module Main where
import Control.Concurrent (forkIO)
import Control.Concurrent.MVar
import Data.Maybe (fromJust)
import Data.List (nub)
-- Modules in topological order, i.e.
-- a module must appear after all of its
-- dependencies
dependencies = [
("Base",[]),
("DateTime",["Base"]),
("Format",["Base"]),
("Iter",["Base"]),
("Async",["Base"]),
("DOM",["Base"]),
("Style",["Base"]),
("Color",["DOM", "Style"]),
("Logging",["Base"]),
("LoggingPane",["Logging"]),
("Selector",["DOM", "Style"]),
("Signal",["DOM", "Style"]),
("Visual",["Color"]),
("DragAndDrop",["Iter","Signal","Visual"]),
("Sortable",["DragAndDrop"])
]
modules = map fst dependencies
antichains :: MVar (Maybe [String]) -> IO ()
antichains channel = antichains' [] modules >> putMVar channel Nothing
where
antichains' :: [String] -> [String] -> IO ()
antichains' ac [] = putMVar channel (Just ac) >> return ()
antichains' ac (candidate:rest) =
do if ac `accepts` candidate
then antichains' (candidate:ac) rest
else return ()
antichains' ac rest
chain `accepts` candidate =
all (\c -> not . elem c
$ fromJust
$ lookup candidate dependencies) chain
closure :: [String] -> [String]
closure ms =
let missing = nub $ filter (not . flip elem ms)
$ concatMap (fromJust . flip lookup dependencies) ms
in
if null missing
then ms
else closure (ms ++ missing)
printer :: MVar () -> MVar (Maybe [String]) -> IO ()
printer stop in_ =
do v <- takeMVar in_
case v of
Just xs -> putStrLn $ show $ closure xs
Nothing -> putMVar stop ()
printer stop in_
main :: IO ()
main = do chan <- newEmptyMVar
stop <- newEmptyMVar
forkIO $ printer stop chan
forkIO $ antichains chan
takeMVar stop
return ()
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[mochikit] Re: Including MochiKit.DragAndDrop and MochiKit.Sortable in the packed version?
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Arnar Birgisson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Minor usability pointer: When unselecting a module, instead of > unselecting everything that depends on it - highlight the relevant > part of "uses XXX" of those in some /error/ color. I fooled around a bit with the visual effects instead... http://www.percederberg.net/mochikit/pack.html Cheers, /Per --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MochiKit" group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[mochikit] Re: Including MochiKit.DragAndDrop and MochiKit.Sortable in the packed version?
AFAIK Flash can't save to disk in that manner either. You can build Flash content with free tools though (Adobe Flex 2 SDK, MTASC, haXe, etc.). -bob On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Per Cederberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Scary stuff. JS in JS... :-) > > I also gave the download issue some thought. Seems it would be > possible to spoof a download in IE and Firefox (with privilege > escalation warning). But not on Safari. And anyway, it would be an > ugly and messy hack. > > So my next thought would be to create something in Flash that could > save a file locally. We can even supply it with the actual text file > content from JS just like Bob explained. Is that doable? I don't have > a license for that stuff and have never worked in Flash myself, so > perhaps I'm just dead wrong here. > > Third option would be to just open a window with the packed text and > ask the user to do Ctrl-S. Perhaps by setting the window title or > something. > > Cheers, > > /Per > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I had intended to build exactly that years ago, but never got around >> to it... mostly because it's hard to do client side and I didn't want >> that feature to be dependent on some server-side script. >> >> My thinking was that we'd keep packed versions of every module (so >> that we could continue to use the Java based packer, instead of >> implementing a JavaScript version)[1] and some client-side could could >> XHR them all down and concatenate them in the correct order, but the >> problem is allowing the user to actually download that text. Using the >> pasteboard would work I guess, but that's not a nice solution. >> >> I suppose we could set something up where the client just does a POST >> to some URL (maybe an app engine service or something) and the server >> simply echos it back with a Content-Disposition header that forces >> download. >> >> [1] But maybe it would be reasonable to write an entirely JS based >> packer with Narcissus >> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/js/narcissus/ -- are there any >> other projects like this that I'm not aware of? >> >> -bob > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MochiKit" group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[mochikit] Re: Including MochiKit.DragAndDrop and MochiKit.Sortable in the packed version?
Scary stuff. JS in JS... :-) I also gave the download issue some thought. Seems it would be possible to spoof a download in IE and Firefox (with privilege escalation warning). But not on Safari. And anyway, it would be an ugly and messy hack. So my next thought would be to create something in Flash that could save a file locally. We can even supply it with the actual text file content from JS just like Bob explained. Is that doable? I don't have a license for that stuff and have never worked in Flash myself, so perhaps I'm just dead wrong here. Third option would be to just open a window with the packed text and ask the user to do Ctrl-S. Perhaps by setting the window title or something. Cheers, /Per On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had intended to build exactly that years ago, but never got around > to it... mostly because it's hard to do client side and I didn't want > that feature to be dependent on some server-side script. > > My thinking was that we'd keep packed versions of every module (so > that we could continue to use the Java based packer, instead of > implementing a JavaScript version)[1] and some client-side could could > XHR them all down and concatenate them in the correct order, but the > problem is allowing the user to actually download that text. Using the > pasteboard would work I guess, but that's not a nice solution. > > I suppose we could set something up where the client just does a POST > to some URL (maybe an app engine service or something) and the server > simply echos it back with a Content-Disposition header that forces > download. > > [1] But maybe it would be reasonable to write an entirely JS based > packer with Narcissus > http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/js/narcissus/ -- are there any > other projects like this that I'm not aware of? > > -bob --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MochiKit" group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[mochikit] Re: Including MochiKit.DragAndDrop and MochiKit.Sortable in the packed version?
I had intended to build exactly that years ago, but never got around to it... mostly because it's hard to do client side and I didn't want that feature to be dependent on some server-side script. My thinking was that we'd keep packed versions of every module (so that we could continue to use the Java based packer, instead of implementing a JavaScript version)[1] and some client-side could could XHR them all down and concatenate them in the correct order, but the problem is allowing the user to actually download that text. Using the pasteboard would work I guess, but that's not a nice solution. I suppose we could set something up where the client just does a POST to some URL (maybe an app engine service or something) and the server simply echos it back with a Content-Disposition header that forces download. [1] But maybe it would be reasonable to write an entirely JS based packer with Narcissus http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/js/narcissus/ -- are there any other projects like this that I'm not aware of? -bob On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:47 AM, Per Cederberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Seeing that this wasn't just an omission, I won't change it for the 1.4 > version. > > For version 1.5 I think we should consider having a nice little > download web page where you can customize your packed version of > MochiKit. I created a little dummy UI to show what I mean: > > http://www.percederberg.net/mochikit/pack.html > > If we plunge forward and start adding more extension modules (as > suggested here before), I think such a UI would be important to keep > all users happy. > > Cheers, > > /Per > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Arnar Birgisson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Per, >> >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 15:38, Per Cederberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> The packed version of MochiKit still doesn't include the modules >>> DragAndDrop and Sortable. I found a previous discussion of that in >>> this thread: >>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit/browse_thread/thread/9d3a82cd7b165e73/70b954863b717c99 >>> >>> None of the two modules have been much modified lately, so perhaps >>> they are now stable? Otherwise, I think we should make the docs >>> clearer regarding their status and how to use them. >> >> Including them is fine with me, but for my own purposes I don't use >> that.. since for me MochiKit serves purely as a utility library rather >> than one of UI elements. I suspect there are others in a similar >> situation. >> >> What we really should do, and it should not be too hard, is make >> several packed versions. Basically for every module we'd provide a >> "dependency-closed" packed version - i.e. one that includes that >> module and all of its dependencies. Modifying the "packed" script to >> perform this should be doable. >> >> If people don't like the idea of so many packed versions, perhaps we >> could decide on two or three "feature-sets" and provide packed >> versions of these. I know MochiKit is not that big, and download time >> is not really the issue - but bandwidth can be an issue for the host. >> >> cheers, >> Arnar >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MochiKit" group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[mochikit] Re: Including MochiKit.DragAndDrop and MochiKit.Sortable in the packed version?
Exactly what I was thinking - nice work! > -Original Message- > From: mochikit@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Arnar Birgisson > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 6:24 AM > To: Per Cederberg > Cc: MochiKit > Subject: [mochikit] Re: Including MochiKit.DragAndDrop and > MochiKit.Sortable in the packed version? > > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 13:47, Per Cederberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For version 1.5 I think we should consider having a nice little > > download web page where you can customize your packed version of > > MochiKit. I created a little dummy UI to show what I mean: > > > > http://www.percederberg.net/mochikit/pack.html > > Yes, yes, excellent - +1 on that from me. > > Minor usability pointer: When unselecting a module, instead of > unselecting everything that depends on it - highlight the relevant > part of "uses XXX" of those in some /error/ color. > > cheers, > Arnar > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1722 - Release Date: 10/13/2008 > 7:50 AM --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MochiKit" group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[mochikit] Re: Including MochiKit.DragAndDrop and MochiKit.Sortable in the packed version?
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 13:47, Per Cederberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For version 1.5 I think we should consider having a nice little > download web page where you can customize your packed version of > MochiKit. I created a little dummy UI to show what I mean: > > http://www.percederberg.net/mochikit/pack.html Yes, yes, excellent - +1 on that from me. Minor usability pointer: When unselecting a module, instead of unselecting everything that depends on it - highlight the relevant part of "uses XXX" of those in some /error/ color. cheers, Arnar --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MochiKit" group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[mochikit] Re: Including MochiKit.DragAndDrop and MochiKit.Sortable in the packed version?
Seeing that this wasn't just an omission, I won't change it for the 1.4 version. For version 1.5 I think we should consider having a nice little download web page where you can customize your packed version of MochiKit. I created a little dummy UI to show what I mean: http://www.percederberg.net/mochikit/pack.html If we plunge forward and start adding more extension modules (as suggested here before), I think such a UI would be important to keep all users happy. Cheers, /Per On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Arnar Birgisson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Per, > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 15:38, Per Cederberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The packed version of MochiKit still doesn't include the modules >> DragAndDrop and Sortable. I found a previous discussion of that in >> this thread: >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit/browse_thread/thread/9d3a82cd7b165e73/70b954863b717c99 >> >> None of the two modules have been much modified lately, so perhaps >> they are now stable? Otherwise, I think we should make the docs >> clearer regarding their status and how to use them. > > Including them is fine with me, but for my own purposes I don't use > that.. since for me MochiKit serves purely as a utility library rather > than one of UI elements. I suspect there are others in a similar > situation. > > What we really should do, and it should not be too hard, is make > several packed versions. Basically for every module we'd provide a > "dependency-closed" packed version - i.e. one that includes that > module and all of its dependencies. Modifying the "packed" script to > perform this should be doable. > > If people don't like the idea of so many packed versions, perhaps we > could decide on two or three "feature-sets" and provide packed > versions of these. I know MochiKit is not that big, and download time > is not really the issue - but bandwidth can be an issue for the host. > > cheers, > Arnar > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MochiKit" group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[mochikit] Re: Including MochiKit.DragAndDrop and MochiKit.Sortable in the packed version?
Hi Per, On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 15:38, Per Cederberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The packed version of MochiKit still doesn't include the modules > DragAndDrop and Sortable. I found a previous discussion of that in > this thread: > > http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit/browse_thread/thread/9d3a82cd7b165e73/70b954863b717c99 > > None of the two modules have been much modified lately, so perhaps > they are now stable? Otherwise, I think we should make the docs > clearer regarding their status and how to use them. Including them is fine with me, but for my own purposes I don't use that.. since for me MochiKit serves purely as a utility library rather than one of UI elements. I suspect there are others in a similar situation. What we really should do, and it should not be too hard, is make several packed versions. Basically for every module we'd provide a "dependency-closed" packed version - i.e. one that includes that module and all of its dependencies. Modifying the "packed" script to perform this should be doable. If people don't like the idea of so many packed versions, perhaps we could decide on two or three "feature-sets" and provide packed versions of these. I know MochiKit is not that big, and download time is not really the issue - but bandwidth can be an issue for the host. cheers, Arnar --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MochiKit" group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
