The could be although ActiveState has a product that competes with mod_perl
on the NT side called PerlEx.
What is too bad about the silence about the relationship is that PerlEx as
a product could really benefit from evolving upon the back of a mod_perl
code base.
...In terms of rapidly finding bugs with persistent Perl engines in a
larger user base as well as sharing mod_perl's Guide (which is way better
than the docs that come with PerlEx -- eg the PerlEx docs suggest sharing a
DBI Handle using $dbh ||= connect() instead of Apache::DBI which would work
much better under PerlEx straight out of the box!) .
I've suggested this before on their PerlEx user list but have been ignored
by them. Afterawhile I just stopped any suggesting as I interpret the lack
of response to mean that they feel differently but for whatever reason
won't state such reasons publicly and don't feel its worth the time in lieu
of anything else.
Maybe they would feel different now if someone else approached them.
At 05:07 PM 12/7/00 -0500, Aaron Johnson wrote:
What about working with ActiveState? I know they were primarily Windows
focused, but they now have Linux and Solaris versions of Perl pre compiled.
mod_perl can now be gotten to work with the latest ActivePerl build (622) for
Windows.
(thanks to Randy Kobes, or at least I think that is who has pushed for this)
I have to admit that until their compile worked with mod_perl I saw them as
'evil' through the eyes of Perl.
ActiveState (c|w)ould give credibility to the mod_perl from a business
standpoint.
ActiveState also has the new Komodo IDE which is a cross platform IDE for Perl
and Python. It uses the Mozilla engine.
http://www.activestate.com/Corporate/Communications/Releases/Press974947521.html
(for the seperate discussion of GUI interfaces)
Should someone try to form an alliance with ActiveState to insure they don't
ignore mod_perl users or want to be users?
Aaron Johnson
Stas Bekman wrote:
Well as you've probably figured out, based on the load of email from me,
I've dropped my last job, in order to finally finish the mod_perl book,
have some rest and make a push to mod_perl.
Yesterday I've updated the stats page:
http://perl.apache.org/netcraft/ and the results are so-so, we go down on
the number of domains. Which I suppose mainly caused by people reading the
guide and deploying the front-end proxy solution, thus making mod_perl
un-seen by various scanners like netcraft.
In Paris we couldn't hire a single mod_perl programmer, because people
don't even know what that. They know a lot about php and ASP. It's true
that they don't even know what's Perl :(
But, you all know that php pretty much takes over. Why? For two reasons:
1) initial corporate pushing (press/ads)
2) once well known, the word of the mouth does the rest.
mod_perl lucks the corporate money/PR to get pushed. But we can still work
on the exposure, which will bring corporate money/PR thru the word of the
mouth.
Luckily Matt has got sick of waiting for someone to work on the advocacy
of mod_perl and he has just taken over it. Having a good informational
site is good, but it's not enough. We need to solve the problem of people
to find this site and wanting to use mod_perl. Solution? Spreading the
word.
I see two main streams:
1) Online zines.
2) Conferences.
I think that we should start working on locating ezines wanting to publish
mod_perl related articles (preferrably for a fee, to give incentives for
others to write) and conferences where mod_perl can be relevant. The data
is to be collected and distributed to the people who wish to advocate
mod_perl, thru written articles and conference classes. I suppose that we
will also look for companies who want to order mod_perl classes and find
the teachers in the appropriate areas.
May be we could organize some certification classes, to give more PR to
mod_perl.
I suppose that much more can be done. Comments are welcome.
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