Re: Using a Startup.pl
Chris Faust wrote: Thanks for the explanation and the details Stas, I'm actually OK with everything in my startup.pl being available to all virtual hosts. After reading the post from Thomas I went back in and removed all the "perlModule" and "perlRequire" lines from the virtual host containers and loaded everything at once outside of the VHosts and it seems to have corrected my problems. Its good to know if there is a need to divide it the ability is there to do so (looks like I was doing it but without creating a new parent interpreter). Yes, diving should also save memory, assuming that different VHosts have different big code bases. I am using mod_perl 1.99.08, this is my second dev server and I've found that RH is OK as a OS but I've had MUCH better results leaving it at that and installing Apache, mod_perl and mySql etc. from source and not as part of the RH install or using RPMs.. I didn't say that either RH or its packages aren't good. I just said that one should upgrade to the latest mod_perl, since older versions have more bugs and less features implemented. Congrads to all you guys on mod_perl, I've heard about it and things like fastCGI for what seems like forever but until we got to the point where we were getting 1.8 million hits a day and everything was crawling as it was 99% perl, I never took the time to get into it - after the 300% performance increase seen after converting the entire site I simply cannot live without it and I refuse to do even the smallest projects using anything else. Fantastic. Perhaps you would like to submit a success story for our collection at: http://perl.apache.org/outstanding/success_stories/index.html __ Stas BekmanJAm_pH --> Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide ---> http://perl.apache.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com
RE: Using a Startup.pl
Thanks for the explanation and the details Stas, I'm actually OK with everything in my startup.pl being available to all virtual hosts. After reading the post from Thomas I went back in and removed all the "perlModule" and "perlRequire" lines from the virtual host containers and loaded everything at once outside of the VHosts and it seems to have corrected my problems. Its good to know if there is a need to divide it the ability is there to do so (looks like I was doing it but without creating a new parent interpreter). I am using mod_perl 1.99.08, this is my second dev server and I've found that RH is OK as a OS but I've had MUCH better results leaving it at that and installing Apache, mod_perl and mySql etc. from source and not as part of the RH install or using RPMs.. Congrads to all you guys on mod_perl, I've heard about it and things like fastCGI for what seems like forever but until we got to the point where we were getting 1.8 million hits a day and everything was crawling as it was 99% perl, I never took the time to get into it - after the 300% performance increase seen after converting the entire site I simply cannot live without it and I refuse to do even the smallest projects using anything else. -Chris >> -Original Message- >> From: Stas Bekman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 5:34 PM >> To: Thomas Klausner >> Cc: Modperl >> Subject: Re: Using a Startup.pl >> >> >> Thomas Klausner wrote: >> > Hi! >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 01:39:41PM -0500, Chris Faust wrote: >> > >> > >> >>I'm running mod_perl 2 on RedHat with Apache 2.0.44 and I'm >> using NamedBased >> >>Virtual Hosting in apache (so I have a number of virtual hosts >> and apache >> >>directs properly based on hostname). >> >> >> >>I use a startup.pl to load up common things like DBI, CGI, >> HTML::Template >> >>etc.. >> >> >> >>Should I have just a single startup.pl and will that work with >> all virtual >> >>hosts? Or should I have a startup.pl per virtual host. >> > >> > >> > AFAIK, and with mod_perl 1.x, having multiple startup.pl's >> makes no sense as >> > they all get executed during server startup and in the main namespace. >> >> That's correct only for mod_perl 1.0. >> >> For mod_perl 2.0 this depends on whether 'PerlOptions +Parent' >> is set or not. >> If it is each vhost can have their own startup.pl (only that >> vhost will ever >> execute/see the code that run from it). It's documented here: >> http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/user/config/config.html#C_Parent_ >> >> (though as someone reported PerlOptions +Parent doesn't work inside the >> container, I haven't had a chance to work on it yet.) >> >> However this is all new code and not very tested yet, so I won't >> be surprised >> if there are problems with it. If you have problems report them >> as explained here: >> http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/user/help/help.html#Reporting_Problems >> >> __ >> Stas BekmanJAm_pH --> Just Another mod_perl Hacker >> http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide ---> http://perl.apache.org >> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com >> http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com
Re: Using a Startup.pl
Chris Faust wrote: I'm running mod_perl 2 on RedHat with Apache 2.0.44 and I'm using NamedBased Virtual Hosting in apache (so I have a number of virtual hosts and apache directs properly based on hostname). also make sure to upgrade your mod_perl 2 to the latest stable version 1.99_08 or even better the cvs one. The one coming with RH is too old. Save yourself troubles. http://perl.apache.org/download/index.html __ Stas BekmanJAm_pH --> Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide ---> http://perl.apache.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com
Re: Using a Startup.pl
Thomas Klausner wrote: Hi! On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 01:39:41PM -0500, Chris Faust wrote: I'm running mod_perl 2 on RedHat with Apache 2.0.44 and I'm using NamedBased Virtual Hosting in apache (so I have a number of virtual hosts and apache directs properly based on hostname). I use a startup.pl to load up common things like DBI, CGI, HTML::Template etc.. Should I have just a single startup.pl and will that work with all virtual hosts? Or should I have a startup.pl per virtual host. AFAIK, and with mod_perl 1.x, having multiple startup.pl's makes no sense as they all get executed during server startup and in the main namespace. That's correct only for mod_perl 1.0. For mod_perl 2.0 this depends on whether 'PerlOptions +Parent' is set or not. If it is each vhost can have their own startup.pl (only that vhost will ever execute/see the code that run from it). It's documented here: http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/user/config/config.html#C_Parent_ (though as someone reported PerlOptions +Parent doesn't work inside the container, I haven't had a chance to work on it yet.) However this is all new code and not very tested yet, so I won't be surprised if there are problems with it. If you have problems report them as explained here: http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/user/help/help.html#Reporting_Problems __ Stas BekmanJAm_pH --> Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide ---> http://perl.apache.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com
RE: Using a Startup.pl
Thanks Thomas, that is what I wanted to know!!
-Chris
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Thomas Klausner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 1:50 PM
>> To: Modperl
>> Subject: Re: Using a Startup.pl
>>
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 01:39:41PM -0500, Chris Faust wrote:
>>
>> > I'm running mod_perl 2 on RedHat with Apache 2.0.44 and I'm
>> using NamedBased
>> > Virtual Hosting in apache (so I have a number of virtual hosts
>> and apache
>> > directs properly based on hostname).
>> >
>> > I use a startup.pl to load up common things like DBI, CGI,
>> HTML::Template
>> > etc..
>> >
>> > Should I have just a single startup.pl and will that work with
>> all virtual
>> > hosts? Or should I have a startup.pl per virtual host.
>>
>> AFAIK, and with mod_perl 1.x, having multiple startup.pl's makes
>> no sense as
>> they all get executed during server startup and in the main namespace.
>>
>>
>> --
>> #!/usr/bin/perl http://domm.zsi.at
>> for(ref bless{},just'another'perl'hacker){s-:+-$"-g&&print$_.$/}
Re: Using a Startup.pl
Hi!
On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 01:39:41PM -0500, Chris Faust wrote:
> I'm running mod_perl 2 on RedHat with Apache 2.0.44 and I'm using NamedBased
> Virtual Hosting in apache (so I have a number of virtual hosts and apache
> directs properly based on hostname).
>
> I use a startup.pl to load up common things like DBI, CGI, HTML::Template
> etc..
>
> Should I have just a single startup.pl and will that work with all virtual
> hosts? Or should I have a startup.pl per virtual host.
AFAIK, and with mod_perl 1.x, having multiple startup.pl's makes no sense as
they all get executed during server startup and in the main namespace.
--
#!/usr/bin/perl http://domm.zsi.at
for(ref bless{},just'another'perl'hacker){s-:+-$"-g&&print$_.$/}
